Topic: [Boxing] Fernando Martinez vs Jerwin Ancajas rematch - Oct.8 - page 6. (Read 3590 times)

There are lots of cases where a boxer who is overweight during the weigh-in and happen to make the adjustment to meet the minimum requirements often underperform.  Even the legendary Manny Pacquiao lost 2 matches due to overweight problem.  So it is rational to think that the weight problem plays a huge part.  And also the replacement also plays some part in the loss too.  Imagine you are preparing and practicing the strategy laid for your opponent for months, then all of a sudden your opponent cannot make it to the fight, and a replacement is announced.

It is easier to practice a strategy when a player is at its initial preparation than to change strategy after practicing for months. 


Shakur knew he has a huge possibility to lose if he pursues his belt, and he choose his record over the title so he gave up the moment he felt that meeting the weight will have a huge possibility to cost him the fight.

What apsa is that Martengaz has all his hopes pinned on this fight, he knows that if he wins he can be crowned one of the best boxers of this 2022, and it is obvious that many more fights and more propositions will rain down on him, in terms In general, he can make money quickly, the boxing business is very lucrative when he is good, then everything depends on him, of course in this case Ancajas has to make a great effort to be able to do something very hard and forceful, he has to take away all that desire for triumphalism that Matinez may be doing, and obviously Ancajas is one of the most famous boxers and it could mean being his springboard.


You are right because for me martinez has done a phenomenal job, everyone already knows that martinez is a cartoonist who has had a lot of relevance in terms of good performance, but now with everything that has happened to ancajas it is something that makes him quite good his career, in any case the fight is for October 8 and it has to be fulfilled in any way, personally I would like to have the opportunity to see Martinez win, because the spirit he has for now is very good, I have seen it in some of his statements and the truth is that he feels very confident, I think he is very confident in his technique and that is something that I like, very few boxers have so much confidence, this rematch promises, the pumice does not want to leave a bad taste mouth more.


Well I think that the nutritionist's problem got out of hand, Ancajas was also very much to blame for me, at this point a problem like this should not mean that it affects her performance or anything, the truth seems to me something painful, I don't know now if this is well seen by the federation and by all its organizers, the business model that this sport represents is very large and I think it needs to be more serious in its contenders, these things should not happen, also I do not know if in The rules stipulate that a boxer who is overweight and who violates the conditions should be sanctioned?

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The news in the Philippines about Anchos is many, everyone has their possibilities placed on it, I do not have all the channels available, but thanks to YouTube you can get good information:


Source: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA8bByDAooE

Everyone in the Philippines bets on his great compatriot, will he be able to against "Puma" Martinez?

Trying to lose weight hours before a fight is really an agonizing task and that might result in hurting yourself that is why I'm inclined to believe that the weight issue was the biggest factor why he loses the first fight aside from the fact that Martinez was a replacement fighter.

Just take a look at how Shakur handled that weight issue, he never minds losing the belt rather than hurting himself to shed those excess pounds during the weigh-in, might be a good idea because he performed really well but we can only speculate that if he decided to make the weight he might have lost the fight.

I think we can all agreed by now that Ancajas has problem with the weight that's why he loses this fight. We are not though taking anything from Martinez, he do everything and box his way out of the decision here. But it's time to move on and Jerwin saw his mistakes already, beside the weight issue. He needs to be aggressive as well, just like what he did on his previous fight. Overtraining? no problem, it's the trainer job to make sure this time that we will just be in the peak condition entering the ring in fight night. No cramps, fully rehydrated and 100% going for the win.

I'm not the one who said it, you can read what his trainer has said here,


https://news.abs-cbn.com/sports/08/17/22/boxing-what-adjustments-ancajas-is-making-for-next-bout

So I don't think you can argue on what his trainer says?

And besides, I can only speculate that they have seen the weight issue already and did try to compensate and losing those extra baggage by doing lots of drills resulting to another factor that affected his performance.

Yes, Martinez is also a good fighter no question about it, and he caught Ancajas with the weight issues so he should get the full credit for that big upset. He was the underdog but it didn't deter his performance and on the contrary he was very proud of his achievement so let's leave it like that.


The usual mate, we will have to wait till sport bookies listed this fight together with other options. This fight for us is one of the most anticipated so I don't think that they are going to missed this fight.

I would agree that there might be a weight issue in the first encounter that contributed to Ancajas' loss but let us also give credit to Martinez as he really performed very well that night that he captured that unexpected belt that he has now.

For sure Ancajas already knew what adjustments to make on this rematch and I just hope that this time he will be more focused and forget momentarily that he lost to this guy once.

Less than 10 days before this fight but still, my favorite bookies have not put the betting odds yet on their site, will come back three days before the fight as that's the usual time they put odds on unpopular boxers.

What they can do now is to keep a close eye to Ancajas to watch his diet and weight loss regimen so that this time Ancajas will not have the situation he had in their first encounter, that's just his biggest problem because if they can manage to overcome that then we can safely assume that Ancajas will take the belt again. His chances will get bigger and bigger because he is already in a good healthy condition, also, he is not fighting blindly anymore as he is now knowledgeable enough on how Martinez fights.

Overtraining? I don't think it's a big issue though, I guess the real problem is the weight issue because boxers know if they are undertrained or overtrained. Anyway, it's already over, this rematch, we will see how Ancajas will make the right adjustments.

Yes, it's not that Martinez is a replacement fighter, it really boils down to

a) his weight issues
b) overtraining

So both really contributed on his performance and they admit to it afterwards. Yeah, they might be thrown off a bit by Martinez as a late replacement but he could have perform better and win the fight if those issues didn't arises in his camp.

We should stop saying the sudden replacement of the opponent is one of the reasons why Jerwin Ancajas lost. That was a sh*t reason for a champion like him. On the other hand, Martinez is also on the same as he suddenly becomes a challenger and will face the champion.

Both of them have the same time to do the preparations.

It's clear and is also mentioned by his camp that Ancajas is not really in his shape on that fight because of overtraining to reach the required weight. That's it.

Yes, he has defended this belts so many times that we wasn't expected that he will become a punching bag or at least doesn't have answers to Martinez as he was outclassed. But then again, if we look at the post fight interview, we know what the problem is.

He need to make a comeback win here, we know that he is a heavy handed boxers, but he wasn't able to land a good blow because he switch his stance and then decided to ba a "boxer", which we are not used to seeing him because he is really a brawler and wanted to go toe to toe. So I look forward from Jerwin to go back to his style of fighting and hopefully he can score a knockout.

Just like what you have said from your first statement, nothing can be put on words because Ancajas lose that first match he did try but Martinez dominated him and even he survive and ends the entire rounds we see how exhausted he is in trying to fight back and defend himself trying not to be KO. Those reason about his loss might be a good basis to enhance now his winning chance, proper trainings and scouting if what fighting strategy did Martinez use to him and anticipate if how he can manage to outrun him and change the dominance and most of it reclaim his title/belt.

Whatever words we put in it, Ancajas still lost the fight unanimously and was defeated dominantly, the scores says it all. Ancajas didn't really expected that Martinez can throw good heavy punches but the good thing is that the Filipino warrior can withstand all of it especially in that state he's in and still managed to finish a full 12-round fight. Two factors why Ancajas lost from the fight, lack of training because of the sudden replacement and second is he is not in good state where he can give a good fight to Martinez.

Martinez turned Ancajas into a punching bag during their 1st meeting.

That was a horrible experience title defense of Ancajas in the whole history of his boxing career. He managed to survive the fight and avoid being knockout.

Since Ancajas knows the problem, they immediately work on it just a few days before this fight was announced officially. I hope their efforts will be paid off.

Actually, it's not a biased comment just because we are supporting Ancajas here.

It should be noted that even though Ancajas is struggling the whole fight because of that overtraining he did just to reach the required weight, he was able to finish the 12-round fight against the much healthier Martinez and the result ended up in the decision.

It's a landslide win for Martinez, not even close, 117-111, 118-111, 118-111. I hope Ancajas will turn that scorecard in favor of him on their rematch. Much better if Ancajas will win via TKO. That would be sweet revenge.

Both will have pressures on their shoulders in this rematch. Ancajas is the former champion and he held this belt for many years, until Martinez took it away from him. But it doesn't mean that Ancajas is not the best boxer, he had his problem in his weight but it looks like his team put together a good plan to not have the same problem in the rematch.

And so we will throw our full support on Ancajas. It's not that Martinez is not good, but we think that it was just a fluke win and Jerwin should have won the first fight in there is no problem on his side. (I might be biased here, hehehe).

Right! That's the thing that he need to overcome first because he can't have this upcoming fight if he can't shrink his weight to make the required weight, and if he won't have some problems about that then there's indeed a high chance that the outcome will be much different this time because he now knows what could Martinez give him in the fight and how strong he is. He can do it, he's still at his prime and this is not his first time going for a belt that was once his.

I'll go Ancajas all the way, I think the odds even though doesn't favor Ancajas favor us supporters and bettors that sided with Ancajas.


I don't think Ancajas goes all out even in the early period.  He knows he will get exhausted easily and he doesn't want to get drained out of stamina in the middle rounds so Ancajas fights with stamina preservation in mind in order to last the whole 12 rounds making him very reserve about throwing punches.  He has his worries so definitely that will affect his performance.


It isn't about that issue, IMO. Ancajas is a veteran boxer, and I believe he faces more challenging opponents than Martinez, so that thing won't make him lose his focus.  It is the stamina problem that takes Ancajas performance down.  He fights with reservation and doesn't give his all to shutdown his opponent but rather gives his all to survive the rounds.  His hunting mode becomes survival mode due to the stamina problem. Which I hope won't be the problem in this rematch.

This is most of the time the torn for the power puncher out there when they face an opponent where who can actually take some punches from them and no matter how much they throw, it seems like nothing and they lose their focus when that happens. this is where most of them taste they're first lost and will gonna get matured or they will gonna acquired some new skills when they step back in the ring. This is an interesting fight because we will gonna see if he really improved or not.