[ BOXING ]: Fury vs Wilder III in Las Vegas on 18th July 2020 !!! - page 12.

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I did not dig this story deeply, but I heard that Wilder was able to achieve a rematch only through the court (since Fury dodged the fight and wanted to fight Joshua), Fury won the trial, but the fight, as it seems, by the court's decision, will be held on Fury's terms (i.e. a new contract for the fight), so it is quite possible that there is a clause about the next rematch if Fury loses the fight.

That was for this third fight. He had a rematch clause but the contracted time for it to happen within had elapsed but that was only due to covid so he had to go court to get it overruled. Contracts often have clauses in for things like 'acts of god', wars breaking out or even pandemics. No idea what the terms of this contract were but I think it was fair due to covid which made the fight impossible.

I have now googled for a while but could not find information regarding the current contract - only the part about the distribution of income from the match between boxers is public (the amounts are impressive).
In fact, this is a very interesting question, because if this 3rd fight is a continuation of that contract, then by winning it, Wilder will be able to refuse Fury a rematch, and if this is a completely new contract, then Fury, as a belt holder, will be able to demand revenge in case of defeat and we will see the 4th fight.

This is interesting, I always thought that this was just Wilder invoking the clause in the contract that gave him the chance to recover his tittle in the case of a loss, so it is entirely possible that if this is a new contract that Fury can now have that clause as well, however I do not think Wilder is going to beat him anyway, however now the chance for an undisputed champion will depend on what happens with the Joshua vs Usyk rematch fight as in the case Usyk wins again, which is the most likely outcome, will Usyk try to fight Fury so soon and risk all his belts? Or will he wait until he gets more comfortable on the division?

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Quote from: hilariousetc on October 01, 2021, 06:59:13 AM

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I did not dig this story deeply, but I heard that Wilder was able to achieve a rematch only through the court (since Fury dodged the fight and wanted to fight Joshua), Fury won the trial, but the fight, as it seems, by the court's decision, will be held on Fury's terms (i.e. a new contract for the fight), so it is quite possible that there is a clause about the next rematch if Fury loses the fight.

That was for this third fight. He had a rematch clause but the contracted time for it to happen within had elapsed but that was only due to covid so he had to go court to get it overruled. Contracts often have clauses in for things like 'acts of god', wars breaking out or even pandemics. No idea what the terms of this contract were but I think it was fair due to covid which made the fight impossible.

I have now googled for a while but could not find information regarding the current contract - only the part about the distribution of income from the match between boxers is public (the amounts are impressive).
In fact, this is a very interesting question, because if this 3rd fight is a continuation of that contract, then by winning it, Wilder will be able to refuse Fury a rematch, and if this is a completely new contract, then Fury, as a belt holder, will be able to demand revenge in case of defeat and we will see the 4th fight.

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Fury beat Wladimir Klitschko in 2015 to become IBF, IBO, WBA, WBO, Lineal and The Ring heavyweight champion but he gave up the belts after being mentally unwell in 2016 for the re-match. From that point until he beat Wilder to gain the WBC belt I think Fury did not hold any titles.

I think you are right, re-match clauses are there for champions to defend their interest and Wilder was champion going in to the first fight. If Wilder wins there will not be an immediate 4th fight because Fury will not be in a negotiating position. In that case the only way Fury vs Wilder 4 can go ahead is if Wilder wins fight III and if Fury becomes WBC number one contender again.

All these ifs and buts aside, Fury should win the fight then line up to be unified undisputed world heavyweight champion and to be honest he deserves to hold all the belts, make at least one defence then retire. I think having Wilder as his next fight then the winner of Joshua vs Usyk II as his penultimate opponent tu unify the belts then make one defence before retiring undefeated it would a great end to his career.

After that Fury can go in to broadcasting because all the sports and media channels around the world will be lining up to have him as their presenter.

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When they fought the first and second time Wilder was WBC champion at the time but Fury to my knowledge had no titles. Can you clarify which title Fury held at the time?

I agree about adding re-match clauses, they always favour the champion as it gives an opportunity for them to regain their titles in the event of a loss. The way Lennox Lewis punished and defeated Hasim Rahman in the re-match was a perfect example of how a superior fighter can get caught by a perfect punch and get knocked out then come back and just show the world how great a fighter he is by winning the re-match in perfect style.

I guess I was mistaken. I thought he had several belts on the line going into that fight but I guess they were vacated? I think only the current champion's can have rematch clauses. Otherwise the challenger would just invoke them after a loss.

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Quote from: JollyGood on October 01, 2021, 05:20:37 AM

When they fought the first and second time Wilder was WBC champion at the time but Fury to my knowledge had no titles. Can you clarify which title Fury held at the time?

I agree about adding re-match clauses, they always favour the champion as it gives an opportunity for them to regain their titles in the event of a loss. The way Lennox Lewis punished and defeated Hasim Rahman in the re-match was a perfect example of how a superior fighter can get caught by a perfect punch and get knocked out then come back and just show the world how great a fighter he is by winning the re-match in perfect style.

I guess I was mistaken. I thought he had several belts on the line going into that fight but I guess they were vacated? I think only the current champion's can have rematch clauses. Otherwise the challenger would just invoke them after a loss.

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I might have this wrong but I think the original fight had a re-match clause which would have allowed Wilder to have a re-match had he lost but that fight was declared a draw.

Later when they fought Fury vs Wilder II they had the same contract as the original fight because Wilder was WBC champion and Fury had zero belts.

The re-match has only been inserted once in any contract and that was in favour of Wilder because he was the WBC belt holder and that re-match clause has been activated once which has resulted in Fury vs Wilder II taking place.

If Wilder wins the third fight Fury has no way of forcing Wilder in to another fight because Fury had no way to negotiate that in to the contract as they are following the original clause in the original contract.

I did not dig this story deeply, but I heard that Wilder was able to achieve a rematch only through the court (since Fury dodged the fight and wanted to fight Joshua), Fury won the trial, but the fight, as it seems, by the court's decision, will be held on Fury's terms (i.e. a new contract for the fight), so it is quite possible that there is a clause about the next rematch if Fury loses the fight.

That was for this third fight. He had a rematch clause but the contracted time for it to happen within had elapsed but that was only due to covid so he had to go court to get it overruled. Contracts often have clauses in for things like 'acts of god', wars breaking out or even pandemics. No idea what the terms of this contract were but I think it was fair due to covid which made the fight impossible.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 28, 2021, 01:59:03 PM

I might have this wrong but I think the original fight had a re-match clause which would have allowed Wilder to have a re-match had he lost but that fight was declared a draw.

Later when they fought Fury vs Wilder II they had the same contract as the original fight because Wilder was WBC champion and Fury had zero belts.

The re-match has only been inserted once in any contract and that was in favour of Wilder because he was the WBC belt holder and that re-match clause has been activated once which has resulted in Fury vs Wilder II taking place.

If Wilder wins the third fight Fury has no way of forcing Wilder in to another fight because Fury had no way to negotiate that in to the contract as they are following the original clause in the original contract.

I did not dig this story deeply, but I heard that Wilder was able to achieve a rematch only through the court (since Fury dodged the fight and wanted to fight Joshua), Fury won the trial, but the fight, as it seems, by the court's decision, will be held on Fury's terms (i.e. a new contract for the fight), so it is quite possible that there is a clause about the next rematch if Fury loses the fight.

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When they fought the first and second time Wilder was WBC champion at the time but Fury to my knowledge had no titles. Can you clarify which title Fury held at the time?

I agree about adding re-match clauses, they always favour the champion as it gives an opportunity for them to regain their titles in the event of a loss. The way Lennox Lewis punished and defeated Hasim Rahman in the re-match was a perfect example of how a superior fighter can get caught by a perfect punch and get knocked out then come back and just show the world how great a fighter he is by winning the re-match in perfect style.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 28, 2021, 01:59:03 PM

I might have this wrong but I think the original fight had a re-match clause which would have allowed Wilder to have a re-match had he lost but that fight was declared a draw.

Later when they fought Fury vs Wilder II they had the same contract as the original fight because Wilder was WBC champion and Fury had zero belts.

The re-match has only been inserted once in any contract and that was in favour of Wilder because he was the WBC belt holder and that re-match clause has been activated once which has resulted in Fury vs Wilder II taking place.

If Wilder wins the third fight Fury has no way of forcing Wilder in to another fight because Fury had no way to negotiate that in to the contract as they are following the original clause in the original contract.

Maybe, or they just had the rematch because it was the logical thing to do with no winner being declared. They both had belts though at the time so they both probably had rematch clauses in their contracts. It's wise to put them in even if you don't plan to evoke them but the loser always will 99% of the time. Silly not to even if you were beat by a mile.

There's a good little documentary on the Fury's by BT Sports here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm5G6-DECG0

It's more about his father though.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 28, 2021, 01:59:03 PM

I might have this wrong but I think the original fight had a re-match clause which would have allowed Wilder to have a re-match had he lost but that fight was declared a draw.

Later when they fought Fury vs Wilder II they had the same contract as the original fight because Wilder was WBC champion and Fury had zero belts.

The re-match has only been inserted once in any contract and that was in favour of Wilder because he was the WBC belt holder and that re-match clause has been activated once which has resulted in Fury vs Wilder II taking place.

If Wilder wins the third fight Fury has no way of forcing Wilder in to another fight because Fury had no way to negotiate that in to the contract as they are following the original clause in the original contract.

Maybe, or they just had the rematch because it was the logical thing to do with no winner being declared. They both had belts though at the time so they both probably had rematch clauses in their contracts. It's wise to put them in even if you don't plan to evoke them but the loser always will 99% of the time. Silly not to even if you were beat by a mile.

There's a good little documentary on the Fury's by BT Sports here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qm5G6-DECG0

It's more about his father though.

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Quote from: Saidasun on September 18, 2021, 08:21:05 AM

I think Wilder is going to throw everything he has at Fury trying to knock him out in the early rounds. That is his best chance of beating Fury and he has a lot to prove after their last fight. I think his stock value has plummeted since he lost to fury because he was dominated from minute 1. I think Fury will be complacent thinking that Wilder will be on the back foot again but Wilder can take Fury by surprise if he comes out throwing as many punches as possible instead of waiting for that perfect punch that he usually waits for because Fury is too skilled to fall for that 1 perfect punch.

He can try to do that but this is Fury, he is good at frustrating his opponents, Wilder for the record can knock out any opponent at any round, remember Kingkong Ortiz is leading in the scorecards until he was hit with that one straight punch, only one punch and it was over, and that's what Wilder was hoping on their fury's second encounter, and he is hoping that he can deliver that one big punch this time.

All I know is he already told his corners that whatever happens no one will throw the tower, and hopefully no one will throw the towel and let the referee or the doctor do that.

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I might have this wrong but I think the original fight had a re-match clause which would have allowed Wilder to have a re-match had he lost but that fight was declared a draw.

Later when they fought Fury vs Wilder II they had the same contract as the original fight because Wilder was WBC champion and Fury had zero belts.

The re-match has only been inserted once in any contract and that was in favour of Wilder because he was the WBC belt holder and that re-match clause has been activated once which has resulted in Fury vs Wilder II taking place.

If Wilder wins the third fight Fury has no way of forcing Wilder in to another fight because Fury had no way to negotiate that in to the contract as they are following the original clause in the original contract.

Quote from: hilariousetc on September 28, 2021, 01:36:14 PM

It depends what's in the contract. Fury would be wise to have a rematch clause in there just in case. You don't have to invoke it either and sometimes there's step-aside money.

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Quote from: Saidasun on September 18, 2021, 08:21:05 AM

I think Wilder is going to throw everything he has at Fury trying to knock him out in the early rounds. That is his best chance of beating Fury and he has a lot to prove after their last fight. I think his stock value has plummeted since he lost to fury because he was dominated from minute 1. I think Fury will be complacent thinking that Wilder will be on the back foot again but Wilder can take Fury by surprise if he comes out throwing as many punches as possible instead of waiting for that perfect punch that he usually waits for because Fury is to skilled to fall for that 1 perfect punch.

Wilder does have knock-out power and almost KOd fury in the first fight so this is his best bet as I don't think he will out-box Fury. It could turn into a right slug-fest. Anything could happen though as I'm not sure I would back a straight winner.

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As mentioned before, Wilder will always be a dangerous fighter with that powerful right hand of his and Fury will have to avoid it but no matter who wins the fight there will be no 4th fight because there are no clauses set in place. This will be the final time Fury and Wilder meet in the ring and I think Fury will win again.

If at all Deontay Wilder win the third fight then he will run his mouth and he will be calling out for the fourth fight even though there is no stipulation and Tyson Fury who is having a big ego on his own will be taking the fourth fight as well. So you cannot expect this to be their final fight if Deontay Wilder win this one. I am also hoping that Tyson Fury could end this trilogy with the win and silence him forever.

It depends what's in the contract. Fury would be wise to have a rematch clause in there just in case. You don't have to invoke it either and sometimes there's step-aside money.

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As mentioned before, Wilder will always be a dangerous fighter with that powerful right hand of his and Fury will have to avoid it but no matter who wins the fight there will be no 4th fight because there are no clauses set in place. This will be the final time Fury and Wilder meet in the ring and I think Fury will win again.

If at all Deontay Wilder win the third fight then he will run his mouth and he will be calling out for the fourth fight even though there is no stipulation and Tyson Fury who is having a big ego on his own will be taking the fourth fight as well. So you cannot expect this to be their final fight if Deontay Wilder win this one. I am also hoping that Tyson Fury could end this trilogy with the win and silence him forever.

High probability that there would really be a fourth fight whenever Wilder would really able to win this upcoming Trilogy against Fury and of course that Ego will really be affected which would really be the thing that
pushed up for another fight to happen.Organizers or promoters would really be seeing some big revenue if they hype and interest would really be high compared on the 3rd one and so on.
I also wish for Fury to end up this rivalry and would really be that assumptions that Wilder would be having another reason to have.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 19, 2021, 06:54:54 AM

As mentioned before, Wilder will always be a dangerous fighter with that powerful right hand of his and Fury will have to avoid it but no matter who wins the fight there will be no 4th fight because there are no clauses set in place. This will be the final time Fury and Wilder meet in the ring and I think Fury will win again.

If at all Deontay Wilder win the third fight then he will run his mouth and he will be calling out for the fourth fight even though there is no stipulation and Tyson Fury who is having a big ego on his own will be taking the fourth fight as well. So you cannot expect this to be their final fight if Deontay Wilder win this one. I am also hoping that Tyson Fury could end this trilogy with the win and silence him forever.

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As mentioned before, Wilder will always be a dangerous fighter with that powerful right hand of his and Fury will have to avoid it but no matter who wins the fight there will be no 4th fight because there are no clauses set in place. This will be the final time Fury and Wilder meet in the ring and I think Fury will win again.

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I change my vote to Deontay Wilder. I speculate that everyone from the sports media, the sportsbooks to the bettors are underestimating Wilder. I predict Wilder knockout before the 7th round. The promoters might want to begin preparing for a quadrology hehehehe.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on September 19, 2021, 01:19:54 AM

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I change my vote to Deontay Wilder. I speculate that everyone from the sports media, the sportsbooks to the bettors are underestimating Wilder. I predict Wilder knockout before the 7th round. The promoters might want to begin preparing for a quadrology hehehehe.

Even i feel like we are going to see something special from Deontay Wilder as he might be obsessed with methods on how to defeat Tyson Fury for months and we are not hearing much about Deontay Wilder in the media nor his interviews like he used to but Tyson Fury is always in the media lights. I am not expecting Deontay Wilder to change his fighting style but i expect Wilder to attempt to hit the target in the first 5 rounds and if the defense of Tyson Fury is not up to the mark he might go down like the first fight.

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78 votes in the poll so far

Fury: 61
Wilder: 16
Draw: 1

Fury is obviously clear favourite to win the fight according to the votes cast in the poll, that is over 78% in his favour while over 20% in favour of Wilder.

I think Fury will win but if Wilder is getting battered and has his back to wall he will try to unleash that ferocious right hand of his therefore this fight will always have the element of potential surprise. Keeping everything in mind I am confident Fury will win by a clear KO or a TKO. In my opinion this fight will not go to a points decision and will not go beyond 6 rounds.

I change my vote to Deontay Wilder. I speculate that everyone from the sports media, the sportsbooks to the bettors are underestimating Wilder. I predict Wilder knockout before the 7th round. The promoters might want to begin preparing for a quadrology hehehehe.

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Quote from: Saidasun on September 18, 2021, 08:21:05 AM

I think Wilder is going to throw everything he has at Fury trying to knock him out in the early rounds. That is his best chance of beating Fury and he has a lot to prove after their last fight. I think his stock value has plummeted since he lost to fury because he was dominated from minute 1. I think Fury will be complacent thinking that Wilder will be on the back foot again but Wilder can take Fury by surprise if he comes out throwing as many punches as possible instead of waiting for that perfect punch that he usually waits for because Fury is to skilled to fall for that 1 perfect punch.

I think that Fury has a better chance of winning against Wilder. The last game dominated Wilder from the start of the match. But also Fury shouldn't even take the match lightly. Wilder is a good fighter and Fury should respect that. If Fury can get aggressive and drop some big hands-on Wilder, that might help in the whole match. So yes, hoping for an entertaining fight ahead.

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78 votes in the poll so far

Fury: 61
Wilder: 16
Draw: 1

Fury is obviously clear favourite to win the fight according to the votes cast in the poll, that is over 78% in his favour while over 20% in favour of Wilder.

I think Fury will win but if Wilder is getting battered and has his back to wall he will try to unleash that ferocious right hand of his therefore this fight will always have the element of potential surprise. Keeping everything in mind I am confident Fury will win by a clear KO or a TKO. In my opinion this fight will not go to a points decision and will not go beyond 6 rounds.

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I think Wilder is going to throw everything he has at Fury trying to knock him out in the early rounds. That is his best chance of beating Fury and he has a lot to prove after their last fight. I think his stock value has plummeted since he lost to fury because he was dominated from minute 1. I think Fury will be complacent thinking that Wilder will be on the back foot again but Wilder can take Fury by surprise if he comes out throwing as many punches as possible instead of waiting for that perfect punch that he usually waits for because Fury is to skilled to fall for that 1 perfect punch.

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I was one of those who did not care for this trilogy. However, I am beginning to feel excited hehehe. I am also beginning to speculate that Deontay Wilder might be ready for Tyson Fury and knockout Fury before the 5th round. Odds for Fury only 1.29, for Wilder 3.25? It appears everyone has forgotten about the eraser hehehe.

Initially, I really wanted to watch this fight and was looking forward to it, but all this clowning with the transfer of dates noticeably cooled my ardor, so now I will just watch it if the opportunity presents itself, but I cannot say that I am very worried about this. As for the chances, I already wrote that they are overestimated on Fury, I do not think that he will have such a significant advantage in battle (if at all), if such odds are closer to the battle, then I will bet on Wilder.

I have those kind of hunch or feels that Wilder would really be taking this upcoming trilogy which would spark up even more interest for the fourth rematch who will prove out on whose stronger.
Agree into your point that in all of these changes it do turns out that peoples interest is gradually vanishing and been focusing on some fights which are upcoming for this year which is on mainly
on the talks right now and this fight is slowly getting less interest but if this one would push through then i might really be considering on betting on Wilder for this time.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on September 18, 2021, 04:19:40 AM

I was one of those who did not care for this trilogy. However, I am beginning to feel excited hehehe. I am also beginning to speculate that Deontay Wilder might be ready for Tyson Fury and knockout Fury before the 5th round. Odds for Fury only 1.29, for Wilder 3.25? It appears everyone has forgotten about the eraser hehehe.

Initially, I really wanted to watch this fight and was looking forward to it, but all this clowning with the transfer of dates noticeably cooled my ardor, so now I will just watch it if the opportunity presents itself, but I cannot say that I am very worried about this. As for the chances, I already wrote that they are overestimated on Fury, I do not think that he will have such a significant advantage in battle (if at all), if such odds are closer to the battle, then I will bet on Wilder.

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