Topic: [ BOXING ]: Fury vs Wilder III in Las Vegas on 18th July 2020 !!! - page 19. (Read 6747 times)

https://twitter.com/MTKGlobal/status/1328041743808393219

So Fury will not be fighting for this year or next month, does it mean that they are waiting for the mediation/arbitration then?

And that a trilogy might be possible March 2021 again?

I see no reason why Fury would want to fight Wilder again. In his eyes he just does not does see Wilder as someone he needs to fight again. The clause for the trilogy was triggered because Wilder wanted it but they could not agree terms. I think Fury genuinely believes that Wilder is mentally unwell and because he himself suffered from severe depression he just does not want anything at all to do with Wilder now.

Yes, Deontay Wilder is pushing for arbitration to enforce a rematch clause in the contract but problem is  that contract period has expired.
Fury said uk Telegraph newspaper that he would never fight Wilder again because of Wilder behavior and what he said about him, but he did cancel December 5 fight.
Let's see what will arbitrator say, but it's clear for me - contract expired.
https://boxingjunkie.usatoday.com/2020/11/tyson-fury-scraps-dec-5-fight-could-face-deontay-wilder-next-year

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/boxing/54954122


I didn't think this was going to happen. Seems like a bit of a pointless fight and he might be in some sort of legal limbo with the Wilder rematch since it's in arbitration right now. The wise thing to do would be to wait to see what the outcome of the arbitration process is before he makes any decisions. Regardless, I still think he should fight Wilder and put that speculation to rest and he's going to have to wait for AJ anyway. It's still going to be the biggest fight for both of them.

Fury's younger brother even called out Wilder's younger brother recently:

https://talksport.com/sport/boxing/789293/tommy-fury-deontay-wilder-brother-marsellos/

Maybe that fight could be on the under-card. That would certainly add some more heat to the fight. Can even bill it as a war of families.

No, there are still fans out there who wants to see this fight, before Wilder got defeated by Fury, he already have a lot of fans and some of these fans will remain loyal and hopefully Wilder will be able to bring back his reputation again. Wilder is not an amateur fighter, he has an impressive record so he is still a dangerous fighter and in fact we can look at the betting odds that is telling he still is.

Tyson Fury Vs. Deontay Wilder 3 Odds: The Early Betting Money Is Being Wagered On ‘Bronze Bomber’

Lots of people want to see it including me. First fight was a draw and the second was finished by the towel being thrown in regardless of Fury dominating so there's still unfinished business in my opinion. Joshua has a fight in the meantime as well so taking the Trilogy fight isn't going to delay anything. Also, it's probably not as easy as fighting someone else in the meantime for Fury especially if the belts are on the line because Wilder was contractually allowed to try win them back in a rematch.

Wilder responded to Fury's offer of help yesterday:

"Hey Tyson Fury, don't worry about me I am fine, blessed.

The only thing I want from you is for you to honour your agreement and fight me. I gave you two shots when I didn't have to and it changed your life. Now it is time for you to be a man and give me my shot as you agreed to."

https://www.sportbible.com/boxing/news-deontay-wilder-responds-to-tyson-furys-offer-to-help-him-20201112

I think Fury should honour the contract and if he wins then it will be undisputed and we can all look forward to the Aj fight.

Yes it would mean a lot to Wilder to get his belts back if he wins the third fight but do you think it would be wise for him to enter negotiations right now when there is talk of him being mentally unwell ever since he lost that fight? I would like to see a fully fit Wilder fight a fully fit Fury but only because there is/was a trilogy clause in the contract and not because I think it would be a great fight. I could be wrong but for me there is no need for a third fight unless both are legally obliged to take it - which I thought was the case. I do feel strongly that Fury should not enter in to negotiations to enter the ring to fight Wilder unless Wilder has psychiatric tests to ensure he is mentally well enough to fight.



I personally would put the petulance and strange statements from Wilder down to mental health issues just as Fury pointed out so maybe when you wrote the word desperation is is but I suppose we have different contexts because I think Wilder is not well right now and needs time to get back to his pre-fight state of mind.

Look, nobody wants to watch this fight again including me.
Fury is to smart for Wilder, and looking Wilder behaving like a little desperate girl will only push away Fury even more.
Let him first fight with Joshua, and later we can consider having that trilogy

notblox1, even with the result of their (Wilder v Fury) previous fight, it too early to tell the result of their trilogy fight that havent occur cause the two fighters have the chance of winning.
Natalim, it not that the fans are not really interested in the trilogy fight, it was Wilder mute about the fight that somehow keep the whole thing on hold and as hilariousetc said I believe people will want the trilogy fight than Fury taking on Agit but I think it Carlos Takam not Agit.
With that been said, this is what Wilder said about their last fight and also make a video about on Instagram.

I don't think the interest is going anywhere and I'm sure most would want to see a trilogy fight than one against someone like Agit Kabayel. Surely people would rather see him face Wilder again than some bum or journeyman? The AJ fights are a long way away and AJ is fighting this month so there's no point Fury waiting around. The fight against Agit Kabayel might not even happen either and if AJ loses again there'll be another rematch.


It carries a lot of meaning to Wilder as it's his only chance to win his belts back along with the biggest payday he'll be getting, not to mention he will feel like he's owed it as the rematch was in the contract and that's what mediation will attempt to sort out. I don't think the Agit Kabayel fight is a done deal anyway or it certainly didn't seem that way in the interview Fury did yesterday so if that doesn't happen he can take the rematch or put that aside to do it next month, which is probably a bit too soon in my opinion but if Fury is ok with fighting Agit I can't see why he can't fight Wilder but maybe Wilder isn't ready.

If Wilder will bring this case to the court and he will win, he will be able to get money for the damages he would claim, but hopefully it will not anymore reach at that level, we want what's the best for both fighters especially for Wilder as his career is far from over.

One defeat against one of the best heavy weight boxer is painful, but it's not the end of the world so he can still recover, if he choose.

Enough for the war of words, they have to man up.

^^  I think with mediation though, it will be clear to both parties as what the contract really means. Both parties have their own interpretation of it, Bob Arum is a lawyer so he knows what's stipulated in the contract, but Finkel argument has some weight too as we have unseen circumstance in Covid-19.

So it's better that a third party mediator decide what is right and what is wrong. And then they can move on. Fury is looking for a scheduled fight against a relatively unknown, Kabayel, but Wilder is still hoping for that trilogy to happen.

It is clear that for Fury the trilogy with Wilder does not carry much meaning now and he has moved on, how any mediation is going to resolve this issue now when Fury is going to fight Kabayel? Maybe talk of a trilogy will be seriously revived if Fury wins his next fight then fights Wilder if it can be arranged. Things are not that straightforward any longer that Fury and Wilder can have their third fight, it is more complex to negotiate now and it is Fury that has the balance of power with him and Wilder simple is at a disadvantage.

For now, slowly the interest of this Trilogy is going now, they are not in the situation where fans are dying to see these two fighter fight in the ring, the interest now has shifted to Joshua vs Fury, and slowly Wilder is loss somewhere, of course he can get back, but not with a fight with Fury this time.

Both of these fighters would win their respective match, and I would say it's easy for them.

Mediation is the best step. They're in a tricky situation legally. Fury was contractually obligated to fight him but obviously that couldn't really happen during covid but the time frame has elapsed so Fury technically might be free, though you could probably argue it's in bad faith. It's in both their interests to make this fight in my opinion.


Well that's why you have the fights in the first place to find out. Wilder would be stupid not to try get this fight going. It's going to the biggest payday he can get right now and maybe his last and he also has a chance to win his belts back. Neither of them are going to be fighting anyone worthwhile for about a year so they should just get this fight done and out of the way so they both can move on and Fury already has the AJ fights lined up. The build up would be insane for the trilogy as fights are usually better when there's bad blood or a grudge between them.

Deontay Wilder is really forcing this trilogy fight now and most people knows that he would only lose again.
Look at Tyson Fury now offering to help him with his mental issues, and he is not showing interest to fight him  
Fury said he is preparing and hoping for his next fight on December 5th with Agit Kabayel in London:
https://www.boxingnews24.com/2020/11/tyson-fury-worried-about-deontay-wilders-mental-wellbeing-offers-to-help/

Anthony Joshua is fighting against Kubrat Pulev on December 12, and everyone is expecting Fury vs Joshua next.

Wilder Taking Fury To Mediation in Attempt To Force a Third Fight


https://www.boxingscene.com/wilder-taking-fury-mediation-attempt-force-third-fight--153168

So now Wilder is chasing Fury for the trilogy, huh? I don't he doesn't want none of Fury, but it seems his team are going to a third party mediation to make the fight happen. So let's just wait for this mediation, everyone is hoping for the trilogy, but it won't happen this year for sure.

Absolutely true, in the first fight it was nothing short of miraculous Fury getting up on the count of 8 (I think) after his eyes seemed to be rolling on the back of his head and then he woke up and jumped up and said to the referee he was fine and he wanted to fight, he went on to dominate the fight from that point on. Wilder I think had bleeding from his ear, it seemed he might have been concussed from the second round so was not going to give his best fight but full credit to him for hanging around as long as he did.

There is always something complex going on behind the scenes, you are probably right both sides may have played the delaying game to suit their own agendas which culminated in the third fight being called off but in the end it is Wilder who got beaten and lost his championship whereas Fury won and became champion again. I would liked to have seen the third fight but most people probably feel Fury really won because of skills and not because of Wilder wore a heavy costume or because somehow he fiddled with his gloves. Most people probably feel Wilder lost because Fury was better on the day.

Regarding Joshua, however unlikely it might be it remains a possibility that he could also lose before meeting in a blockbuster fight against Fury and with momentum shifting all the time it will be interesting to see what happens in the next 3-6 months when certain boxers have more control over proceedings than others.

Well he was on his last legs towards the end but anything can happen in boxing. Nobody expected Fury to get up from his knock-down but he did miraculously.


I think Wilder could beat Fury, though my money would always be on Fury. As I said above most people don't get up from the knock-down Fury received so there's no reason why that couldn't happen again even though Fury did dominate the rematch quite comfortably.


It's easy for Fury to say that now but it might have been a different story behind the scenes. I'm sure both parties took advantage of the situation to delay it for their own personal reasons.


The AJ fights are already happening next year unless maybe AJ gets beaten in his upcoming fight which could delay them. They'd still probably make them happen though even though the belts might not be on the line it's still something fans want to see. I'm sure AJ has a rematch clause also.

Wilder looked well beaten before the towel was thrown so am not too sure how that would have affected the outcome as it seemed inevitable Fury would win. I do agree with you that Fury and Wilder should have had the third and final fight but as it stands Fury beat Wilder and took the heavyweight title from him and Wilder well he never beat Fury so in that scenario one is clearly better than the other. From the television interview I saw it seemed clear Fury wanted the third fight but it never worked out so better for Wilder to retire or to start working out route to fighting some good fighters to then become mandatory contender for a chance to become a champion again.

As for Fury, he and his manager should go out of their way to make the Joshua fight happen and Joshua and his team should be chasing Fury to ensure the most lucrative fight in heavyweight boxing history can happen.