[ BOXING ]: Fury vs Wilder III in Las Vegas on 18th July 2020 !!! - page 23.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on October 21, 2020, 03:42:16 PM

Wilder's apparently taken a vow of silence. He has not been heard of in a long time. Fury and his promoters say they no longer have any obligation to have the trilogy fight and are now looking for a new opponent to prepare for him for facing Anthony Joshua next year. I don't think Wilder's team will put up a legal fight to try and force the rematch to happen next. Wilder is still a top 3 heavyweight so his chance will come up again.

I think the cancellation of the third fight would be on Wilder's advantage because he need to but some time to bring back the confidence in him as he was battered on their last fight. AFAIK, the rematch clause has expiration so i don't think the camp of Wilder will take a legal action here.

Definitely it will be a big advantage for Wilder so that finally he can reset his mind first and have some confidence before facing Fury again in this trilogy. Yes there is a stipulation that a rematch clause could end, but the thing is that when they outline it prior, there's no pandemic or something, so again, maybe the next time that those boxing lawyers or promoted a rematch clause, maybe they have to think about this kind of scenario.

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Quote from: Jating on October 19, 2020, 07:51:45 AM

Someone put a thread about this fight: Tyson Fury’s working out from trilogy fight against Deontay Wilder. Anyway, here is my take on it:

It's really hard to say, maybe the postponement has put a lot of stress on Wilder and as much as he wanted to focus, there could be other things in his mind that he can't do because everything is on the line. They are pose to make a lot of money in this trilogy, but if there are not final date and everything is still up in the air, then better cancel it and let this pandemic settles down a bit. Cancelling it might do better for Wilder, in my opinion.

The trilogy though should happen eventually, 1-0 for Fury and Wilder needs to comeback and make it even and settle to score, nothing is better than boxing than a revenge win and prove yourself.

The irony would be that Wilder takes on the fight, wins it and levels the score. Than a 4th match will be setup to prove once and for all, who the best fighter of the 2 is.
In my eyes even this 3h fight is unncessary, but it is al about the money

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Hahaha, that would be ironic indeed, if Wilder specially wins in the most unexpected outcome, knocking out the Gypsy King. Then a 4th one is setup, another huge money in the table.

@AakZaki - yes it's not mandatory, but they have rematch clause if I'm not mistaken, so they really have to face and try to settle their score. But then again the pandemic enter the picture, ruin the plans, specially fans who wanted to see this fight live.

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Quote from: tippytoes on September 24, 2020, 05:43:36 PM

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That's a very good point, they probably need a big payday prior to their retirement, you know life after boxing is different as they have to work outside boxing or manage their business, that is provided they have good savings or have invested from what they earn during their boxing career.

I guess whoever lose this fight might struggle to find a big fight if he still want to continue fighting, so it's a big fight for both it needs to be big that would satisfy their wallets.

This is maybe the reason why they moved the fight date and hoping that they will get money from the gate, if in case they will be allowed to accept live audience. That's another revenue for the match. Boxing is really not a forever career. At some point, the boxer needs to stop and just live on whatever he made during his boxing career. They need to be smart, otherwise, they will be like those poor boxers that can't even support themselves.

Of course this is not only limited to the boxers, but most especially the promoters as well as they are the one who are risking money for this fight and therefore they need to ensure that they'll be a profit after the fight, in short, it's just all about the money as that's what business is for.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on October 21, 2020, 03:42:16 PM

Wilder's apparently taken a vow of silence. He has not been heard of in a long time. Fury and his promoters say they no longer have any obligation to have the trilogy fight and are now looking for a new opponent to prepare for him for facing Anthony Joshua next year. I don't think Wilder's team will put up a legal fight to try and force the rematch to happen next. Wilder is still a top 3 heavyweight so his chance will come up again.

I think the cancellation of the third fight would be on Wilder's advantage because he need to but some time to bring back the confidence in him as he was battered on their last fight. AFAIK, the rematch clause has expiration so i don't think the camp of Wilder will take a legal action here.

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Wilder's apparently taken a vow of silence. He has not been heard of in a long time. Fury and his promoters say they no longer have any obligation to have the trilogy fight and are now looking for a new opponent to prepare for him for facing Anthony Joshua next year. I don't think Wilder's team will put up a legal fight to try and force the rematch to happen next. Wilder is still a top 3 heavyweight so his chance will come up again.

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Quote from: AakZaki on October 21, 2020, 08:11:28 AM

Trilogy matches I know are not mandatory matches, correct me if I'm wrong. Apart from Wilder's side requesting a rematch, I have heard that so far there has been no response to his own challenge, there is news that Wilder has been injured after his last game. But if it's a match there will be, I think great. Wilder needs proof he is just unlucky and Fury is making preparations before the match with Anthony Joshua.

The boxing contracts are really weird, Wilder had a mandatory rematch clause in the contract and so is the reason he invoked that immediately. As a fan i am not too keen on watching the trilogy now but it is what it is as the big ego of Wilder will not let it go and in my opinion he needs to fight other talents and then return because a loss against Fury once again will bury his career forever.

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Quote from: Jating on October 19, 2020, 07:51:45 AM

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The trilogy though should happen eventually, 1-0 for Fury and Wilder needs to comeback and make it even and settle to score, nothing is better than boxing than a revenge win and prove yourself.

Trilogy matches I know are not mandatory matches, correct me if I'm wrong. Apart from Wilder's side requesting a rematch, I have heard that so far there has been no response to his own challenge, there is news that Wilder has been injured after his last game. But if it's a match there will be, I think great. Wilder needs proof he is just unlucky and Fury is making preparations before the match with Anthony Joshua.

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I don't think this is because of either side's fear to be defeated by the other. Their rivalry is legit and both are a beast on this division. It's just that.. there's no money to be made on this fight and they know that saving it until the crowds are allowed again would be their best bet. They wouldn't want to waste the hype and the anticipation built up by this possible historical fight just to get it over with, and we know damn sure that they also want to make money off of it. All the trashtalk, all the mudslinging and all of these negativities surrounding this fight is just building up the hype for people to want it more to happen.

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Quote from: Jating on October 19, 2020, 07:51:45 AM

Someone put a thread about this fight: Tyson Fury’s working out from trilogy fight against Deontay Wilder. Anyway, here is my take on it:

It's really hard to say, maybe the postponement has put a lot of stress on Wilder and as much as he wanted to focus, there could be other things in his mind that he can't do because everything is on the line. They are pose to make a lot of money in this trilogy, but if there are not final date and everything is still up in the air, then better cancel it and let this pandemic settles down a bit. Cancelling it might do better for Wilder, in my opinion.

The trilogy though should happen eventually, 1-0 for Fury and Wilder needs to comeback and make it even and settle to score, nothing is better than boxing than a revenge win and prove yourself.

The irony would be that Wilder takes on the fight, wins it and levels the score. Than a 4th match will be setup to prove once and for all, who the best fighter of the 2 is.
In my eyes even this 3h fight is unncessary, but it is al about the money

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Quote from: Jating on October 19, 2020, 07:51:45 AM

Someone put a thread about this fight: Tyson Fury’s working out from trilogy fight against Deontay Wilder. Anyway, here is my take on it:

It's really hard to say, maybe the postponement has put a lot of stress on Wilder and as much as he wanted to focus, there could be other things in his mind that he can't do because everything is on the line. They are pose to make a lot of money in this trilogy, but if there are not final date and everything is still up in the air, then better cancel it and let this pandemic settles down a bit. Cancelling it might do better for Wilder, in my opinion.

The trilogy though should happen eventually, 1-0 for Fury and Wilder needs to comeback and make it even and settle to score, nothing is better than boxing than a revenge win and prove yourself.

They can't do nothing on the current situation, they wan't to make money and how is it possible without a crowd. These two are the biggest names in boxing, they can potentially make a lot of money in this trilogy but the timing was really wrong, the only thing they should do now is to continue to be fit for the fight as the moment vaccine is available, we will see a real schedule of this fight.

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Someone put a thread about this fight: Tyson Fury’s working out from trilogy fight against Deontay Wilder. Anyway, here is my take on it:

It's really hard to say, maybe the postponement has put a lot of stress on Wilder and as much as he wanted to focus, there could be other things in his mind that he can't do because everything is on the line. They are pose to make a lot of money in this trilogy, but if there are not final date and everything is still up in the air, then better cancel it and let this pandemic settles down a bit. Cancelling it might do better for Wilder, in my opinion.

The trilogy though should happen eventually, 1-0 for Fury and Wilder needs to comeback and make it even and settle to score, nothing is better than boxing than a revenge win and prove yourself.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 25, 2020, 02:02:40 AM

Yes the promoters want to maximise their income and gate receipts at the venue are a huge source of income for them but they cannot wait years to arrange the fight because the fighters are getting older and their best years will be behind them.

At some point they must make a compromise over the amount of income just to make the fight happen.

Quote from: Darker45 on September 24, 2020, 08:24:09 AM

I don't think the social distancing protocol would hinder this fight with live audience for 6-8 months. But the promoters would have to content themselves with lesser gate entry if it is required that live audience will have to take a seat apart from one another. But if there is a barrier in between seats, then they might get the green light for a full seating capacity.

Either way, the promoters are certainly looking for the best and most profitable ways for this fight to happen in the soonest time possible. If live audience will be limited, they could always expect that PPV buys would be shooting high.

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Yes the promoters want to maximise their income and gate receipts at the venue are a huge source of income for them but they cannot wait years to arrange the fight because the fighters are getting older and their best years will be behind them.

At some point they must make a compromise over the amount of income just to make the fight happen.

Quote from: Darker45 on September 24, 2020, 08:24:09 AM

I don't think the social distancing protocol would hinder this fight with live audience for 6-8 months. But the promoters would have to content themselves with lesser gate entry if it is required that live audience will have to take a seat apart from one another. But if there is a barrier in between seats, then they might get the green light for a full seating capacity.

Either way, the promoters are certainly looking for the best and most profitable ways for this fight to happen in the soonest time possible. If live audience will be limited, they could always expect that PPV buys would be shooting high.

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Quote from: Questat on September 24, 2020, 05:35:47 PM

That's a very good point, they probably need a big payday prior to their retirement, you know life after boxing is different as they have to work outside boxing or manage their business, that is provided they have good savings or have invested from what they earn during their boxing career.

I guess whoever lose this fight might struggle to find a big fight if he still want to continue fighting, so it's a big fight for both it needs to be big that would satisfy their wallets.

This is maybe the reason why they moved the fight date and hoping that they will get money from the gate, if in case they will be allowed to accept live audience. That's another revenue for the match. Boxing is really not a forever career. At some point, the boxer needs to stop and just live on whatever he made during his boxing career. They need to be smart, otherwise, they will be like those poor boxers that can't even support themselves.

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That's a very good point, they probably need a big payday prior to their retirement, you know life after boxing is different as they have to work outside boxing or manage their business, that is provided they have good savings or have invested from what they earn during their boxing career.

I guess whoever lose this fight might struggle to find a big fight if he still want to continue fighting, so it's a big fight for both it needs to be big that would satisfy their wallets.

Quote from: JollyGood on September 24, 2020, 09:32:23 AM

Atmosphere over wallet... hmmm which one wins? Wallet definitely.

One thing the fighters will not be able to get back is time. Fury is 32 and Wilder is 34 they need to fight and move on to the next big one against Joshua providing he manages to beat Pulev. Soon both fighters will find themselves too old to continue in the sport therefore need to capitalise on what they can do now.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 24, 2020, 04:59:13 AM

Yes it will happen, it could have happened a long time ago but Fury made it clear he wants fans inside the arena because it adds to the atmosphere and his promoter said they had record gate receipts for Fury-Wilder II making it having the highest grossing gate receipts in history for a boxing match. His promoter went on to say that a fight without multi-millions of USD$ from gate receipts cannot go ahead. Fury-Wilder II had a 16,800 sell out audience.

Adds to the atmosphere... and their wallets. I'm sure the crowd is nice to have, but even in the interview posted above Fury's promoter said it could go ahead in a venue without fans if a country wanted to pay a lot to bring it to their nation... basically if Arabs will pay us millions for it we're open to offers for having it in an empty arena Grin

. I'm sure there are countries with differing covid restrictions as well that will allow fans. They're probably going to have to get this fight done sooner rather than later as it's a hurdle to bigger and better things and the real money is in the AJ fights but they can't do them until this rematch is out of the way unless Wilder steps down which I doubt he will.

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Atmosphere over wallet... hmmm which one wins? Wallet definitely.

One thing the fighters will not be able to get back is time. Fury is 32 and Wilder is 34 they need to fight and move on to the next big one against Joshua providing he manages to beat Pulev. Soon both fighters will find themselves too old to continue in the sport therefore need to capitalise on what they can do now.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 24, 2020, 04:59:13 AM

Yes it will happen, it could have happened a long time ago but Fury made it clear he wants fans inside the arena because it adds to the atmosphere and his promoter said they had record gate receipts for Fury-Wilder II making it having the highest grossing gate receipts in history for a boxing match. His promoter went on to say that a fight without multi-millions of USD$ from gate receipts cannot go ahead. Fury-Wilder II had a 16,800 sell out audience.

Adds to the atmosphere... and their wallets. I'm sure the crowd is nice to have, but even in the interview posted above Fury's promoter said it could go ahead in a venue without fans if a country wanted to pay a lot to bring it to their nation... basically if Arabs will pay us millions for it we're open to offers for having it in an empty arena Grin

. I'm sure there are countries with differing covid restrictions as well that will allow fans. They're probably going to have to get this fight done sooner rather than later as it's a hurdle to bigger and better things and the real money is in the AJ fights but they can't do them until this rematch is out of the way unless Wilder steps down which I doubt he will.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 24, 2020, 04:59:13 AM

If the cannot go ahead for the next 6-8 months because of social distancing at venues then these boxers are losing the prime years of their boxing careers. This is not a good mentally place for them to be as they have no idea when the fight will go ahead.

I don't think the social distancing protocol would hinder this fight with live audience for 6-8 months. But the promoters would have to content themselves with lesser gate entry if it is required that live audience will have to take a seat apart from one another. But if there is a barrier in between seats, then they might get the green light for a full seating capacity.

Either way, the promoters are certainly looking for the best and most profitable ways for this fight to happen in the soonest time possible. If live audience will be limited, they could always expect that PPV buys would be shooting high.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 24, 2020, 04:59:13 AM

Yes it will happen, it could have happened a long time ago but Fury made it clear he wants fans inside the arena because it adds to the atmosphere and his promoter said they had record gate receipts for Fury-Wilder II making it having the highest grossing gate receipts in history for a boxing match. His promoter went on to say that a fight without multi-millions of USD$ from gate receipts cannot go ahead. Fury-Wilder II had a 16,800 sell out audience.

Adds to the atmosphere... and their wallets. I'm sure the crowd is nice to have, but even in the interview posted above Fury's promoter said it could go ahead in a venue without fans if a country wanted to pay a lot to bring it to their nation... basically if Arabs will pay us millions for it we're open to offers for having it in an empty arena Grin

. I'm sure there are countries with differing covid restrictions as well that will allow fans. They're probably going to have to get this fight done sooner rather than later as it's a hurdle to bigger and better things and the real money is in the AJ fights but they can't do them until this rematch is out of the way unless Wilder steps down which I doubt he will.

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Quote from: JollyGood on September 24, 2020, 04:59:13 AM

Yes it will happen, it could have happened a long time ago but Fury made it clear he wants fans inside the arena because it adds to the atmosphere and his promoter said they had record gate receipts for Fury-Wilder II making it having the highest grossing gate receipts in history for a boxing match. His promoter went on to say that a fight without multi-millions of USD$ from gate receipts cannot go ahead. Fury-Wilder II had a 16,800 sell out audience.

It's just bad timing though, we understand where they are coming from, after all it will be the biggest event. Actually the second fight has made a lot of money, but I think the trilogy will eclipse it.

Quote from: JollyGood on September 24, 2020, 04:59:13 AM

If the cannot go ahead for the next 6-8 months because of social distancing at venues then these boxers are losing the prime years of their boxing careers. This is not a good mentally place for them to be as they have no idea when the fight will go ahead.

And that is the downside, and it's going to be a big factor or shall I say excuse for the losers. So it's going to be critical in the next coming months. I don't believed that the hype will die down though, fans are going to wait for as long as they can.

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