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This is why its not shocking that Inoue isnt interested on him.

Casimero doesn't hold anything worth it for a champion to take a match against him. Maybe if Casimero will be ranked Top 1 or 2 as a contender, regardless of the boxing organization, then that's the only time a champion can face him possibly. I agree with some of your pointers that Casimero fans should understand that Casimero is not the same as before. Looking at his last fight, that supposed to be easy, he even shows struggling. With that performance, he will be an easy match for Inoue if they will face each other.

Sorry for the further reply and I agree that the thread can be considered locked now.

P.S.: Usually, after a fight, a thread lasts around a week before closing. Smiley

It's the manager or promoter of Inoue that floated the idea of having their ward do a voluntary title defense against Casimero the reason being that they have an unfinished business. Casimero vs Inoue will be interesting as well as Quadro Alas is always taunting Inoue on social media, maybe Team Inoue is tired of his antics and wants to punish him inside the ring though hehe.

Closing the thread now, as usual thanks for your comments in this thread as we witnessed the historic run of Inoue of being the only Japanese to be a multi-division unified champion.
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This is why its not shocking that Inoue isnt interested on him.

Casimero doesn't hold anything worth it for a champion to take a match against him. Maybe if Casimero will be ranked Top 1 or 2 as a contender, regardless of the boxing organization, then that's the only time a champion can face him possibly. I agree with some of your pointers that Casimero fans should understand that Casimero is not the same as before. Looking at his last fight, that supposed to be easy, he even shows struggling. With that performance, he will be an easy match for Inoue if they will face each other.

Sorry for the further reply and I agree that the thread can be considered locked now.

P.S.: Usually, after a fight, a thread lasts around a week before closing. Smiley
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Honestly, Marlon Tapales does have a good game plan against Naoya Inoue.

He clearly knows what to do, he knows what's the best strategy to do, and he knows truly how to beat Inoue. But the problem is, that gameplan is useless since he is unable to execute those in the actual fight. The Monster is always ready for any strategy that Tapales will execute.

Naoya Inoue still looked fresh and good-looking after the 10th-round fight. No hard bruises, no signs of being exhausted and I think can even fight again the day later lol. It just shows that the fight is already concluded early in the match. Tapales didn't even give Inoue a hard match. It's fine to lose if he shows desperation to win but all he does is stay mostly in defense mode the entire match.
They would really be countering each counter that the boxer that has been thinking and this is why each fighter would really be having a chance for them to grow or evolve because they would really be
trying to patch into those possible flaws and weakness that they do have. It is really just that normal that the opponent would really be finding ways and methods for them to take advantage into that
but its true that Inoue did really make out some counter with those preparations on what Tapales had done and we've seen that it is really that effective. He had taken down Tapales on Round 4
on which he seems to be tough on earlier rounds because of those guards but actually those body shots or blows do take the job. It do really looks like that cracking a shell of a nut until
it did break out.



@OP, this thread should be locked. This fight is over and it would be ideal that you should be closing this one to avoid further replies.
Thank you!  Wink
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According to DAZN boxing news, there are 3 opponents who might be next to challenge Inoue. I am very much disappointed that John Riel Casimero is not one of these. However, among these 3 boxers
mentioned, I am quite certain that it will be Luis Nery because is the mandatory challenger for WBC. I only wish that the fight will be in Las Vegas. Inoue's last performance in Las Vegas was against Damariñas on June 19, 2021.

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Source https://www.dazn.com/en-US/news/boxing/3-potential-opponents-for-new-undisputed-champion-naoya-inoue/yk3tkflquaqp1q4197saqxaag
Thanks for the share up mate on which we do already have that possible fight projection on whose would be the next opponent for Inoue. Im already that anticipating nor not already expecting for Casimero as this guy or man isnt really that as level of Inoue anymore. He would really be free on challenging or taunting Inoue but its really obvious that Inoue isnt really that interested on him anymore. Pure talks but you do see his capability when it comes on how he fights which i could say that Tapales is way more better. When it comes to stamina then Casimero do really lacking on this one. He might have the power but the technicality and speed and stamina is surely a let down. This is why its not shocking that Inoue isnt interested on him.

For sure he would really be focusing into beating up to those who would really be tending to get the belt or simply having those title defense on which he had mentioned out that he might be
staying for a while into this division before he would really be that deciding to go higher which i could say that it would really be a smart of him on making such decision considering
that his recent fight shows that he would really be needing to get prepared if ever he would be stepping up again.
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Honestly, Marlon Tapales does have a good game plan against Naoya Inoue.

He clearly knows what to do, he knows what's the best strategy to do, and he knows truly how to beat Inoue. But the problem is, that gameplan is useless since he is unable to execute those in the actual fight. The Monster is always ready for any strategy that Tapales will execute.

Naoya Inoue still looked fresh and good-looking after the 10th-round fight. No hard bruises, no signs of being exhausted and I think can even fight again the day later lol. It just shows that the fight is already concluded early in the match. Tapales didn't even give Inoue a hard match. It's fine to lose if he shows desperation to win but all he does is stay mostly in defense mode the entire match.
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When you listen to his statement before the fight, it seems like they have a secret strategy that would beat Inoue. However, just like the other boxers that Inoue beat, they are only good with talking but they don't do the action in the ring. Maybe Inoue's power is just too much, that he cannot take it, so he was very careful and that resulted him losing some of his confidence that's why he could not throw a powerful punches due to the fear that he might get open and will be KO when hit by Inoue's counter punch.

If only Tapales had the same power as Donaire, then maybe the fight would be more interesting, but you know, Donaire is unique, no Filipino boxer that has the same power as his.

All good game plan changed when they were being hit by those bombs of Inoue. Tapales and Donaire are two different boxers on different levels.

BTW, back to the comparison between Inoue and Pacman, at age 30, Manny has already fought multiple boxers who are future hall of famers like Barrera, Morales, Marquez and others while Inoue has only fought one in the person of Nonito Donaire Jr, so with that i could see that Inoue has a lot to prove yet and Top Rank have a lot of works to be done so Inoue will outshine the accomplishments of Manny.
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According to DAZN boxing news, there are 3 opponents who might be next to challenge Inoue. I am very much disappointed that John Riel Casimero is not one of these. However, among these 3 boxers
mentioned, I am quite certain that it will be Luis Nery because is the mandatory challenger for WBC. I only wish that the fight will be in Las Vegas. Inoue's last performance in Las Vegas was against Damariñas on June 19, 2021.



Murodjon Akhmadaliev

Uzbekistan's Murodjon Akhmadaliev enjoyed a ringside seat at the Ariake Arena to watch Inoue's win. The 29-year-old sports a 12-1 record, and he last fought on December 16. Murodjon defeated Kevin Gonzalez that night. Murodjon's southpaw style could match up well with Inoue. Matchroom Boxing's X account has already teased a potential match. Murodjon is a top-ten-ranked fighter by the WBA, WBO, IBF and WBC. He is also fourth in Ring magazine's rankings.

Sam Goodman

Australia's undefeated Sam Goodman could be another name to challenge Inoue in 2024. Goodman boasts a perfect 17-0 record and defeated Zhong Liu in his last fight. The WBO and IBF rank Goodman 1st at super bantamweight.

Luis Nery

Rumours emanating from Japan suggest that Inoue's next fight will be in May against Mexico's Luis Nery. Nery is the WBC's mandatory challenger, and his 35-1 record features plenty of big names. Nery's last fight was in July, and he stopped Froilan Saludar in the second round.


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I am wishing for this to be John Riel Casimero hehehehe but I speculate that this will Luis Nery to prepare Inoue's entry for boxing in Las Vegas.

he can choose to fight Casimero first, in Japan, and if he wins again, he could proceed with his last fight in the division with Luis Nerry in Las Vegas. This Casimero fight has been long due, their trashtalking started when the fight was cancelled due to covid restrictions, but it didn't resume when everything was back to normal.

I also saw an interview from Casimero saying that Tapales knows he has no chance of winning after round one, so all he does is  just tighten his defense because that's the only way to survive longer. Casimero even mentioned that if he was there, he would be able to give Inoue a fight, he even beat one of the best bantamweight which was Tete in just 3 rounds, so he is the only Filipino who can beat Inoue.

So this is what I like Inoue vs Casimero, biggest fight next year.  

Casimero was wrong, however. Marlon Tapales was trying to win the fight and had a better performance than expected. There was only 2 rounds where Tapales became more defensive. Those rounds was when he was using a philly shell and did not throw much punches. But for much of the fight Tapales tried to punch Inoue. It also appeared that Tapales could reach the decision until he was knocked out which was shocking because Tapales did not appear tired or weak.

In any case, do you know what would be better than fighting Casimero in Japan? It would be fighting Casimero in Las Vegas hehehehehe.
I do agree though, I mean after the first knockdown on round 4, we thought that Tapales is done, but look at what he did, he go toe to toe and he had some good shots, like the upper cut and that straight right hand if I'm not mistaken.

Unlike other boxers that Inoue face, when they felt the power, they just want to survived but they can't run the full 12 rounds.

12 rounds could be what Tapales wanted, but he gets tired and because he has soften up by Inoue already.
They fight is actually good on which we do really be able to see a real fight and not really just that Inoue's opponent keeps running and this is something we do see different and i could say that a huge respect for Tapales.

It was such a good fight and yes there are lots of people who had been anticipating for this fight to only last up for 4 rounds or 5 on which yes it did happen that he had been knocked down into those rounds
but we've seen about adjustments made by Tapales on which i could say that this is something commendable. He had been able to last up further rounds despite of being beaten up and its true that
he do able to land up several uppercuts which it did break into Inoue's defenses too. It is really that he lack up some power and lack up of follow ups because he wont really be able
to defeat that monster without having those counters but of course it would be needing some power into it which we do see its really that lacking.

Still a good and worthy fight to watch on and its not really that boring since we could really be able to see that both fighters are giving their best.
Adjustments is not enough though, in the first couple of rounds leading up to his being knock down in round 4, he just stood up in front of Inoue and like trying to bait him to punch and taste his power. So for me it's a bad strategy by Tapales specially in early rounds as Inoue is fresh and you can see his power right away.

After the first knockout, we think it's over and probably this is where the mentality of Tapales changes as he eagerly wanted to exchange that's why his jab are going in even his straight hand. But Inoue is really a great boxer and going 10 round against him shows Tapales mental toughness, but his body cant' take that power.
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result match inoue win with KO in ronde 10
but the match was very exciting and interesting
but tapales this boxer from the philippines is still outclassed.

I did lose the bet, of course. I bet with our countrymen, of course. But it's really a gamble; just take it back next time. But while I was watching their fight, I felt hesitant about my bet because I didn't see any excitement because he was having a hard time with his opponent.

It means that the countryman still needs to train better to learn from the wrong strategy he made. Even so, let it be a lesson for him and try to recover and win the next opponent.

Maybe there's a lot of us who lose the bet on this match because wanted to see Tapales win because he is our countrymen. But it's not what the outcome we wanted as the Japanese is really in control of the fight and he is pound for pound. Just like when Manny is during the height of his career, nobody can stop him until the wear and tear took a toll on his body.

All we can do now is to accept that lose and move forward to our next chance to bet on our fellow countrymen.

And again, there is no ashamed on the part of Tapales as he shows his heart and valiant in this fight, he just fell short.
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result match inoue win with KO in ronde 10
but the match was very exciting and interesting
but tapales this boxer from the philippines is still outclassed.

I did lose the bet, of course. I bet with our countrymen, of course. But it's really a gamble; just take it back next time. But while I was watching their fight, I felt hesitant about my bet because I didn't see any excitement because he was having a hard time with his opponent.

It means that the countryman still needs to train better to learn from the wrong strategy he made. Even so, let it be a lesson for him and try to recover and win the next opponent.
In any sport or competition then there would really be a loser and there would be a winner. One fighter is really that much better compared to other on which its normal. Its not also bad on
betting into your fellow countrymen on showing up that support but when the fight starts then you could already be able to spot on, on whose really that ahead or really at advantage.
Yes, its sad that we do lose the bet even me because im expecting for some upset but it turns out that Inoue is really just that too good for him .He might be able to  reach out 10 rounds
but you could see on how Tapales get beaten up but still that having a huge respect since this man did give out his best and trade off punches without Inoue until the end.
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With the way he's showing his greatness, it's a tough call for anyone to challenge him, I think on his division right now after unifying
all the belts, challenger might think twice.

Though we can't remove that fact fighters always love the challenge so either top rank fighter will negotiate, or promoters will bring names
to Inoue's camp and see if which fighter will be the next one to try Inoue's greatness.

For now, let him enjoy another achievement, unifying all the belts after moving up that's really something that will remembered.
Yeah, it is uncontested and he's just proven himself to be undefeated.

or maybe things will change once he climb up weight , and climb another . His speed and power
is good and best at his weight and division now but once he goes up and  higher , things will change of course.
this is also similar with pacquiao in his prime that he almost unbeatable but look at him recently
facing losses with new and younger boxers.
I think that he's got that plan of moving up a few weights and that's why if there will be other fighters that will challenge him, it's on another weight division and not on his current one. He's on his prime and that cannot be denied and whoever is able to challenge and beat him will be writing history against this man that he just beaten the monster. But I don't think that will be easy, conditions about the match isn't just going to be easy for the challenger.
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result match inoue win with KO in ronde 10
but the match was very exciting and interesting
but tapales this boxer from the philippines is still outclassed.

I don't know what's wrong about tapales cause what I saw is the opposite of my expectations cause he is not just very aggressive cause he is always waiting the right time which is he control his punches he didn't throw so much punches  while Inoue punch him so much and in the round 4 we saw that tapales was hit a good shot and that's the reason why Inoue getting more aggressive because of that knockout.

With an enemy like Inoue, I don't think Tapales can afford himself being open and getting that knockout punch early in the round. Throwing punches means you are leaving yourself temporarily open to any counters, and it's just the right decision for him to take his time and wait for the perfect punch. I just think that he kind of overdid it and became very defensive which ultimately led to his demise. Inoue just studied him for a few rounds on how he defends and how he tries to get that distance, but man Inoue is just something else.

I'm pretty sure Tapales is okay with the result going so far as taking the bout to the distance. 10 rounds with someone who's deemed to be the best boxer in the division is no easy feat AT ALL.

There's nothing wrong with Tapales it just happened that he is facing a monster who is notorious for knocking out his opponents, he was fully aware of all of this because he had watched all of Inoue's fights and he was just making sure that he was well defended and at the same trying to impose his offense and plan, I'm proud of Tapales because he hurt and back down Inoue in some rounds but the gap in power and speed was just too obvious.
Tapales' only consolation is he made a lot of money in this fight and that will help him and his loved ones.

Exactly. Inoue is on another level, while Tapales still needs to grind to be there but I'm pretty sure he's on his way to it. It's not a bad fight either! I enjoyed watching it live even though I know what the outcome will be. I expected worse from Tapales, but man he has the power but just not the speed that Inoue all carries.
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result match inoue win with KO in ronde 10
but the match was very exciting and interesting
but tapales this boxer from the philippines is still outclassed.

I don't know what's wrong about tapales cause what I saw is the opposite of my expectations cause he is not just very aggressive cause he is always waiting the right time which is he control his punches he didn't throw so much punches  while Inoue punch him so much and in the round 4 we saw that tapales was hit a good shot and that's the reason why Inoue getting more aggressive because of that knockout.

There's nothing wrong with Tapales it just happened that he is facing a monster who is notorious for knocking out his opponents, he was fully aware of all of this because he had watched all of Inoue's fights and he was just making sure that he was well defended and at the same trying to impose his offense and plan, I'm proud of Tapales because he hurt and back down Inoue in some rounds but the gap in power and speed was just too obvious.
Tapales' only consolation is he made a lot of money in this fight and that will help him and his loved ones.

Correct, Tapales really put more than 100% in this training, his heart and he had sacrifices along the long. But it's just that Inoue is very strong that's why he has a hard time finding this rhythm and even if he hits Inoue with his strongest punch, it has no effect whatsoever.

I wouldn't say that he was outclassed though, but the Monster is really too much for everyone, not just Tapales for 122 lbs.

This is probably Tapales biggest paycheck to date, so it's all good as he can go back to the Philippines and enjoy the New Year season.
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result match inoue win with KO in ronde 10
but the match was very exciting and interesting
but tapales this boxer from the philippines is still outclassed.

I don't know what's wrong about tapales cause what I saw is the opposite of my expectations cause he is not just very aggressive cause he is always waiting the right time which is he control his punches he didn't throw so much punches  while Inoue punch him so much and in the round 4 we saw that tapales was hit a good shot and that's the reason why Inoue getting more aggressive because of that knockout.

There's nothing wrong with Tapales it just happened that he is facing a monster who is notorious for knocking out his opponents, he was fully aware of all of this because he had watched all of Inoue's fights and he was just making sure that he was well defended and at the same trying to impose his offense and plan, I'm proud of Tapales because he hurt and back down Inoue in some rounds but the gap in power and speed was just too obvious.
Tapales' only consolation is he made a lot of money in this fight and that will help him and his loved ones.
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If only Tapales had the same power as Donaire, then maybe the fight would be more interesting, but you know, Donaire is unique, no Filipino boxer that has the same power as his.

Unfortunately he doesn't have that, he is just a technical fighter who are only good against boxers who are not quick and heavy hitter. Inoue is just too exeptional, he is fast and a heavy hitter, that's why his opponent can't make a mistake as that will certainly result to a KO. And as what we had witness, Tapales was trying not to create a mistake, but eventually due to the heavy blow from Inoue, he got wear down and Inoue has taken advantage on that.

I'm seeing post that some Filipinos are proud of Tapales, well, that's good because Tapales did well in surviving, and no boxer right now in the same divison and lower could level on Inoue's talent and skills.
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result match inoue win with KO in ronde 10
but the match was very exciting and interesting
but tapales this boxer from the philippines is still outclassed.

I don't know what's wrong about tapales cause what I saw is the opposite of my expectations cause he is not just very aggressive cause he is always waiting the right time which is he control his punches he didn't throw so much punches  while Inoue punch him so much and in the round 4 we saw that tapales was hit a good shot and that's the reason why Inoue getting more aggressive because of that knockout.

When you listen to his statement before the fight, it seems like they have a secret strategy that would beat Inoue. However, just like the other boxers that Inoue beat, they are only good with talking but they don't do the action in the ring. Maybe Inoue's power is just too much, that he cannot take it, so he was very careful and that resulted him losing some of his confidence that's why he could not throw a powerful punches due to the fear that he might get open and will be KO when hit by Inoue's counter punch.

If only Tapales had the same power as Donaire, then maybe the fight would be more interesting, but you know, Donaire is unique, no Filipino boxer that has the same power as his.
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result match inoue win with KO in ronde 10
but the match was very exciting and interesting
but tapales this boxer from the philippines is still outclassed.

I don't know what's wrong about tapales cause what I saw is the opposite of my expectations cause he is not just very aggressive cause he is always waiting the right time which is he control his punches he didn't throw so much punches  while Inoue punch him so much and in the round 4 we saw that tapales was hit a good shot and that's the reason why Inoue getting more aggressive because of that knockout.
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result match inoue win with KO in ronde 10
but the match was very exciting and interesting
but tapales this boxer from the philippines is still outclassed.

I did lose the bet, of course. I bet with our countrymen, of course. But it's really a gamble; just take it back next time. But while I was watching their fight, I felt hesitant about my bet because I didn't see any excitement because he was having a hard time with his opponent.

It means that the countryman still needs to train better to learn from the wrong strategy he made. Even so, let it be a lesson for him and try to recover and win the next opponent.
Yeah, I did the same thing eventhough we all know that Inoue will win this fight. Betting on Tapales is how I show support. Also, of course an upset is always in my mind, that's one of the reason why I bet on Tapales.
Hopefully, we can still see Tapales fight on the main card despite what happened in this fight and he can redeem himself. What's next for Tapales career? How much did he make in this fight?
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^^ And just imagine the trash talk by Casimero, I mean he has been calling Inoue since the bantamweight division unfortunately, they haven't face in the ring yet. We don't need to discuss it though, we all know what the reason is.

And it seems that Inoue is now the Filipino torn in this division, Donaire and now Tapales, and other Filipinos that he has face before.

Maybe Casimero is the now going to stop the bleeding and put him name on the top of the super bantamweight division again.

Casimero is once again trending at least in his native country because he is known to mock and challenge Naoya Inoue. But based on their previous performances, I wonder if Casimero can even survive 5 rounds. Casimero is already in his mid-30s and his lifestyle as an athlete is not that strict which is probably the reason why he is performing below world class level.

I am not calling Inoue a thorn in Ph boxing. He's just at a different level and he is even loved and has a lot of fans in Ph. He did beat a lot from the Ph but it's the same situation with his Japanese comrades trying to block his way to greatness. The first time I heard Inoue was when he dared a Ph national champion for his pro debut. I thought, he would lose and in my mind, I was like, how dare he fight someone at that level in his first fight. The rest is history.

IMHO, Casimero is in for the money. Imagine if he gets a contract to fight Inoue then that would be the biggest purse that he will get in his entire career. Casimero is on the downslide of his career, father time is catching up on him and like you've said, his lifestyle is not like that of an elite fighter.

Inoue is Pacman reborn at least for me hehe. If he could climb up two more weight divisions where the money is flowing, Uncle Bob will be more than happy to support on his cash cow.

We all know that, but at least Casimero would be a deserving challenger compared to the challengers that are lining up to fight Inoue, those that are in a higher standing, they are all the same. Casimero loves to take against Inoue and even against his fellow Filipino boxer, so I think once and for all, it's time for Inoue to accept the challenge and see if he can shut Casimero up.

I still believe Casimero is a deserving challenger but only because he is a 3-division world champion and they are supposed to unify their belts before both of them move up in weight. They nearly had it and were scheduled already but then the pandemic came. But the later part was more on Casimero for not making weights and having personal issues that led to being removed from his belt which was the only key since Inoue wanted to become undisputed.

To say Casimero is more deserving than those lining up for Inoue, I don't think so. The WBA mandatory, Morudjon Akhmadaliev is the former unified champion and only lost a highly deposited decision to Tapales so he deserved a shot, especially to his former belts, and even so, he earned it more by fighting and winning the WBA eliminator. I looked down on Sam Goodman before but after winning the IBF eliminator by upsetting highly touted undefeated Raeese Aleem, he earned it. Aleem by the way is the one who sparred with Casimero multiple times and was getting the better of the exchanges. Luis Nery is a 2-division world champion, he also won a WBC eliminator although not stated as final so either the WBC can issue a final mandatory or it can just reinstate Nery as it's mandatory.

Inoue might only fight two more times before moving up in weight. So it's either Nery, Akhmadaliev, Goodman, and Casimero. I would love Casimero to get the shot. But right now, I see him as the easiest of the four.
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He is still at his prime years, so he can stay at super bantam and best everyone, or go to Featherweight with the likes of Vargas, a tall lanky 126 lbs champion. So that will a big test for him and let's see if he can also be as dominant as the 2 other weight class that he reign.
Right, at least 2-3 defending title fights (in 1-2 years) before he decide move a new weight division.

It's not that it will take training and conditioning, he has that already, it's more of him facing a natural bigger fighter as he moves up in division.
You know that without these 2 you can't stay long in the ring and can't stay on bigger fighters so it's really necessary. With proper training/conditioning and strategy, bigger fighter will be easier to cope. Look MP, too many fights with bigger opponents but end up dominating the fights because it all depends on conditioning. If you listen his post-interview after fighting margarito which he even amazed that he last long in the fight.

MP is very different boxer though, and it's early to compare hi to Manny if he can conquer biggest fighters and higher weight class. He said in an interview that he will have to take a look at how his body will react before going up in weight.

We never heard that from Manny if I'm not mistaken, it seems that his mission is to really go up in weight class. And if you look at Manny picture during weight in at 130 lbs, he seems to be weight drain, you can see his cheek bone. And if we look at Inoue at 122 lbs, he seems to be full at this weight class. So maybe 126 is the biggest weight for him to conquer for now.
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