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Topic: [Boxing] Lomachenko vs. Kambosos - May 12 IBF Lightweight Title (Read 1384 times)

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@Baofeng. I wish it will be Lomachencko vs. Shakur first and I also wish Shakur will win this and have a big name in his record. This will certainly cause the scammer Tank Davis to be very envious because all of the hype will go to Shakur. Tank's hype will be lower after fighting the boxer that we do not know name? Is it Steve Martin? Yes, I wish Martin will give a shocking performance and make it a split decision heheheh.

It could be a done deal, with Loma vs Shakur, but unfortunately Shakur is thinking of not re-signing his contract with Top Rank which is up to July 6. But Top Rank can still hostage Shakur, they can say to him sign with us again and we will guarantee a fight with Loma.

And that's why it might be Tank first if Shakur doesn't want to extend his contract with Bob Arum and Top Rank.

I think it will still be good for Loma's legacy to fight Tank Davis first. Will not change a thing and then if Shakur still wants a piece of Loma then maybe he will be next or Bob Arum skipping him totally.

There is also the vacant WBO championship that can be included for Shakur and Loma's next fight. This will certainly be very thrilling again for lightweight boxing. My only wish as a fan is King Ry can still make this weight and fight for the vacant lightweight WBO championship vs. someone with no name and be included in the list of the kings of lightweight hehehehe. However, it appears we will never witness this anymore after his victory vs. Haney.

Unfortunately, Ryan really outgrew the 135 lbs very quick, he could have stayed if he wants, but obviously his performance are going to suffer if he chooses to stay. Just like what Teo did when he lost to Kambosos, he just decided to move up to 140 lbs and then take that L. Now he is the linear champion at Jr. Welterweight and the WBO champion.

So good decision by Ryan and if they could only make the 140 lbs, he could have been the champion today but he has a lot of controversy to face now about the Peds allegation.

But Loma, he has two targets: Gervonta "Tank" Davis, and Shakur Stevenson.
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And imagine the trash talking of Tank Davis and not respecting Loma at all.

That would motivate Loma more, of course he can do that because that's part of marketing, he sell the fight and both are happy with the paycheck. Based on the current ranking now, it's Tank Davis who is above Loma, so most likely the betting odds will favorr Tank Davis as the heavy favorite, and that means we all who believe in Loma here will be happy betting on Loma.

Tank hasn't fought a tough challenger after beating Ryan, I think this time he needs to consider Loma which is a real threat to him.

Lomachenko's career resurgence after the win is evident, and since he is in the retirement stage, there were rumors of him retiring, but there is no formal announcement yet; he should go for top names in his division, and we can all agree Tank is the best choice for Loma, and Loma is also the best choice for Tank.

This will be a big demand after Tank defeats Frank Martin; Martin is one tough customer for Tank.
Of course, I also want to see Lomachecko get revenge on Haney because it's a controversial win, and they need to run it again for the boxing fans and each other so there will be a closure on who is a better tactician between the two.


I think it's still to early to retire, he is 36 years old now and Pacman even retire at 42. So I guess maybe 2 to 3 years, that would be enough for him to gain more big fight and maybe retain his championship belt or beat the other champions if he decide to move up. The hype is on because of his big win, so the fans are hoping not to see him retire as there are plenty of boxers now that Loma has a chance of beating them.
Although at 36 years is old enough for some boxers to retire, but I do not see Loma thinking of retiring. He started late in his career as he has focus more on being a amateur standout and basically went undefeated as he avenge his losses. So he is a late bloomer in boxing and as we can see in his fight, he is a technical fighter and so he didn't take that much damage to say that he has the typical wear and tear on a boxer. And I guess representing his country of Ukraine is very big for him as we all know that he sacrifices a lot when this fight was originally scheduled before but he had to go back and defend his country that time.
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@Baofeng. I wish it will be Lomachencko vs. Shakur first and I also wish Shakur will win this and have a big name in his record. This will certainly cause the scammer Tank Davis to be very envious because all of the hype will go to Shakur. Tank's hype will be lower after fighting the boxer that we do not know name? Is it Steve Martin? Yes, I wish Martin will give a shocking performance and make it a split decision heheheh.

It could be a done deal, with Loma vs Shakur, but unfortunately Shakur is thinking of not re-signing his contract with Top Rank which is up to July 6. But Top Rank can still hostage Shakur, they can say to him sign with us again and we will guarantee a fight with Loma.

And that's why it might be Tank first if Shakur doesn't want to extend his contract with Bob Arum and Top Rank.

I think it will still be good for Loma's legacy to fight Tank Davis first. Will not change a thing and then if Shakur still wants a piece of Loma then maybe he will be next or Bob Arum skipping him totally.

There is also the vacant WBO championship that can be included for Shakur and Loma's next fight. This will certainly be very thrilling again for lightweight boxing. My only wish as a fan is King Ry can still make this weight and fight for the vacant lightweight WBO championship vs. someone with no name and be included in the list of the kings of lightweight hehehehe. However, it appears we will never witness this anymore after his victory vs. Haney.
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And imagine the trash talking of Tank Davis and not respecting Loma at all.

That would motivate Loma more, of course he can do that because that's part of marketing, he sell the fight and both are happy with the paycheck. Based on the current ranking now, it's Tank Davis who is above Loma, so most likely the betting odds will favorr Tank Davis as the heavy favorite, and that means we all who believe in Loma here will be happy betting on Loma.

Tank hasn't fought a tough challenger after beating Ryan, I think this time he needs to consider Loma which is a real threat to him.

Lomachenko's career resurgence after the win is evident, and since he is in the retirement stage, there were rumors of him retiring, but there is no formal announcement yet; he should go for top names in his division, and we can all agree Tank is the best choice for Loma, and Loma is also the best choice for Tank.

That is a bad move if Loma chooses to hang up his gloves after this big win against Kambosos. I mean he is the favorite in this fight, but we still don't know if he still has it. But he proves everyone wrong with this mastery class against Kambosos and that body shot is perfect.

This will be a big demand after Tank defeats Frank Martin; Martin is one tough customer for Tank.
Of course, I also want to see Lomachecko get revenge on Haney because it's a controversial win, and they need to run it again for the boxing fans and each other so there will be a closure on who is a better tactician between the two.

It's a style made in heaven, I think Loma is more of the tactician here while Davis will rely on his power. In this fight against Pitbull Cruz or Rolly Romero or even Ryan Garcia, it takes him a couple of rounds to figure out his opponents. So it will be a great match up to see him how he will do against a fighter as well with a good IQ just like his and better technique.
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I think it's still to early to retire, he is 36 years old now and Pacman even retire at 42. So I guess maybe 2 to 3 years, that would be enough for him to gain more big fight and maybe retain his championship belt or beat the other champions if he decide to move up. The hype is on because of his big win, so the fans are hoping not to see him retire as there are plenty of boxers now that Loma has a chance of beating them.

I also believe that he's too young to retire. It's just that fake news has leaked that he wants to retire, but unless there's a formal announcement, I still believe he will keep fighting. Loma is such an extraordinary fighter. It's not easy for a fighter to be fighting at a very high level when your country is at war.

I wasn't aware that there are news that Loma is going to retire. But I do agree, he is still can pull the trigger, and very technical in dismantling Kambosos and it seems that this fight is really a mismatch in my opinion. And his compatriot Usyk is also going into one of the biggest fight for this year and for sure Loma still wanted to raise their flag in his next fight.

In the coming days, we will read the announcement on who he will fight next or what are his next plans; it's better for him to go after Lopez and Haney; these are two fighters that beat him, but the way he performed against Kambosos he can still beat these two.

As there is a shared video already, it could be Davis or Stevenson next for Loma as per Bob Arum. I don't think that Loma will go after Lopez and Haney, they are too big for Loma at 135 lbs. Both of this fighters now are campaigning at 140 lbs and they could even move to 147 lbs. Best weight class for Loma is this at Lightweight Division and still pretty much stack up with Keyshawn Davis, Frank Martin and Denis Berinchyk. No need for him to force his body to go up in weight just to fight and avenge his losses to those two fighters.
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I think it's still to early to retire, he is 36 years old now and Pacman even retire at 42. So I guess maybe 2 to 3 years, that would be enough for him to gain more big fight and maybe retain his championship belt or beat the other champions if he decide to move up. The hype is on because of his big win, so the fans are hoping not to see him retire as there are plenty of boxers now that Loma has a chance of beating them.

I also believe that he's too young to retire. It's just that fake news has leaked that he wants to retire, but unless there's a formal announcement, I still believe he will keep fighting. Loma is such an extraordinary fighter. It's not easy for a fighter to be fighting at a very high level when your country is at war.

In the coming days, we will read the announcement on who he will fight next or what are his next plans; it's better for him to go after Lopez and Haney; these are two fighters that beat him, but the way he performed against Kambosos he can still beat these two.
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And imagine the trash talking of Tank Davis and not respecting Loma at all.

That would motivate Loma more, of course he can do that because that's part of marketing, he sell the fight and both are happy with the paycheck. Based on the current ranking now, it's Tank Davis who is above Loma, so most likely the betting odds will favorr Tank Davis as the heavy favorite, and that means we all who believe in Loma here will be happy betting on Loma.

Tank hasn't fought a tough challenger after beating Ryan, I think this time he needs to consider Loma which is a real threat to him.

Lomachenko's career resurgence after the win is evident, and since he is in the retirement stage, there were rumors of him retiring, but there is no formal announcement yet; he should go for top names in his division, and we can all agree Tank is the best choice for Loma, and Loma is also the best choice for Tank.

This will be a big demand after Tank defeats Frank Martin; Martin is one tough customer for Tank.
Of course, I also want to see Lomachecko get revenge on Haney because it's a controversial win, and they need to run it again for the boxing fans and each other so there will be a closure on who is a better tactician between the two.


I think it's still to early to retire, he is 36 years old now and Pacman even retire at 42. So I guess maybe 2 to 3 years, that would be enough for him to gain more big fight and maybe retain his championship belt or beat the other champions if he decide to move up. The hype is on because of his big win, so the fans are hoping not to see him retire as there are plenty of boxers now that Loma has a chance of beating them.
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And imagine the trash talking of Tank Davis and not respecting Loma at all.

That would motivate Loma more, of course he can do that because that's part of marketing, he sell the fight and both are happy with the paycheck. Based on the current ranking now, it's Tank Davis who is above Loma, so most likely the betting odds will favorr Tank Davis as the heavy favorite, and that means we all who believe in Loma here will be happy betting on Loma.

Tank hasn't fought a tough challenger after beating Ryan, I think this time he needs to consider Loma which is a real threat to him.

Lomachenko's career resurgence after the win is evident, and since he is in the retirement stage, there were rumors of him retiring, but there is no formal announcement yet; he should go for top names in his division, and we can all agree Tank is the best choice for Loma, and Loma is also the best choice for Tank.

This will be a big demand after Tank defeats Frank Martin; Martin is one tough customer for Tank.
Of course, I also want to see Lomachecko get revenge on Haney because it's a controversial win, and they need to run it again for the boxing fans and each other so there will be a closure on who is a better tactician between the two.
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And imagine the trash talking of Tank Davis and not respecting Loma at all.

That would motivate Loma more, of course he can do that because that's part of marketing, he sell the fight and both are happy with the paycheck. Based on the current ranking now, it's Tank Davis who is above Loma, so most likely the betting odds will favorr Tank Davis as the heavy favorite, and that means we all who believe in Loma here will be happy betting on Loma.

Tank hasn't fought a tough challenger after beating Ryan, I think this time he needs to consider Loma which is a real threat to him.
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@Baofeng. I wish it will be Lomachencko vs. Shakur first and I also wish Shakur will win this and have a big name in his record. This will certainly cause the scammer Tank Davis to be very envious because all of the hype will go to Shakur. Tank's hype will be lower after fighting the boxer that we do not know name? Is it Steve Martin? Yes, I wish Martin will give a shocking performance and make it a split decision heheheh.

It could be a done deal, with Loma vs Shakur, but unfortunately Shakur is thinking of not re-signing his contract with Top Rank which is up to July 6. But Top Rank can still hostage Shakur, they can say to him sign with us again and we will guarantee a fight with Loma.

And that's why it might be Tank first if Shakur doesn't want to extend his contract with Bob Arum and Top Rank.

I think it will still be good for Loma's legacy to fight Tank Davis first. Will not change a thing and then if Shakur still wants a piece of Loma then maybe he will be next or Bob Arum skipping him totally.

Either one of these two would be good to see, after all, both fighters are champion and still hasn't experience a loss yet. Whatever is easy for Loma, he should go for that fight, and since he is a proven boxer already, he is not there to cherry pick opponents but to fight the best. There's still plenty of time, I hope that will happen before the year will end and if Loma wins, he could rest and continue next year.

There will be no easy fight for him, so whoever comes first for Loma gonna be tough. But I will agree that we want him to fight Tank Davis, that will be an explosive fight as Tank has power but Loma is tactician in the ring, just like in this fight, we didn't know that his strategy is to go to the body and soften Kambosos.

So it will be a battle of strategy as well, who will prevail in this kid of stylistics match up?

And imagine the trash talking of Tank Davis and not respecting Loma at all.
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@Baofeng. I wish it will be Lomachencko vs. Shakur first and I also wish Shakur will win this and have a big name in his record. This will certainly cause the scammer Tank Davis to be very envious because all of the hype will go to Shakur. Tank's hype will be lower after fighting the boxer that we do not know name? Is it Steve Martin? Yes, I wish Martin will give a shocking performance and make it a split decision heheheh.

It could be a done deal, with Loma vs Shakur, but unfortunately Shakur is thinking of not re-signing his contract with Top Rank which is up to July 6. But Top Rank can still hostage Shakur, they can say to him sign with us again and we will guarantee a fight with Loma.

And that's why it might be Tank first if Shakur doesn't want to extend his contract with Bob Arum and Top Rank.

I think it will still be good for Loma's legacy to fight Tank Davis first. Will not change a thing and then if Shakur still wants a piece of Loma then maybe he will be next or Bob Arum skipping him totally.

Either one of these two would be good to see, after all, both fighters are champion and still hasn't experience a loss yet. Whatever is easy for Loma, he should go for that fight, and since he is a proven boxer already, he is not there to cherry pick opponents but to fight the best. There's still plenty of time, I hope that will happen before the year will end and if Loma wins, he could rest and continue next year.
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@Baofeng. I wish it will be Lomachencko vs. Shakur first and I also wish Shakur will win this and have a big name in his record. This will certainly cause the scammer Tank Davis to be very envious because all of the hype will go to Shakur. Tank's hype will be lower after fighting the boxer that we do not know name? Is it Steve Martin? Yes, I wish Martin will give a shocking performance and make it a split decision heheheh.

It could be a done deal, with Loma vs Shakur, but unfortunately Shakur is thinking of not re-signing his contract with Top Rank which is up to July 6. But Top Rank can still hostage Shakur, they can say to him sign with us again and we will guarantee a fight with Loma.

And that's why it might be Tank first if Shakur doesn't want to extend his contract with Bob Arum and Top Rank.

I think it will still be good for Loma's legacy to fight Tank Davis first. Will not change a thing and then if Shakur still wants a piece of Loma then maybe he will be next or Bob Arum skipping him totally.
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@Baofeng. I wish it will be Lomachencko vs. Shakur first and I also wish Shakur will win this and have a big name in his record. This will certainly cause the scammer Tank Davis to be very envious because all of the hype will go to Shakur. Tank's hype will be lower after fighting the boxer that we do not know name? Is it Steve Martin? Yes, I wish Martin will give a shocking performance and make it a split decision heheheh.
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Loma at his current age is still a little faster than Haney. The issue with Loma is he is a slow starter because he wants to measure and observe his opponents before trying to execute his plans and strategies. Haney hugs a lot while Loma isn't which is why Kambosos has nowhere to go but to get stopped in the late rounds after being broken down methodically.

As for what's next. Kambosos might continue to fight but after wear and tear and blue prints on how to beat him, he might not become a champion again. I like Loma to retire. He is still good but obviously not in his prime anymore and I hate him getting exploited by the younger fighters.

Yes, and with this performance, Loma is still at top of his game, although there is question about his age, but if we will judge his performance in this fight, still elite in my opinion and Kambosos doesn't have any to answer's Loma aggressive very early.

And he really soften Kambosos early, make him tender specially in the body and when he hits it perfectly, it's hard to recover from that shot.

Loma against Shakur or Tank will be great at 135 lbs, but we will see, Arum says that they might go with Davis next.

Based on that fight, Loma can still give a good fight against the other champions. I also read something that Bob hinted of fighting Tank although I forgot the source and it could be unreliable. Surely, the easiest fight to make is against Navarette, in case the former 3 division wins the vacant WBO belt this weekend. Shakur only has 1 fight remaining at Top Rank and I doubt Bob offers him Loma unless he signs a new deal. The coward Tank Davis finally showed interest against this 36-year old version of Loma. It could be a bluff but if not, PBC has to give Bob something significant because Loma at this stage is most likely the underdog.

Anyways, Loma said he will decide on what's next for his career after taking a rest and feeling his body. Moneywise, it's Tank or Navarette for Loma but of course Bob and ESPN have their rights as well.
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Who will be next for him? I reckon this should be versus Shakur for the IBF, WBC championships and the vacant WBO championship. The winner of this will fight the scammer Tank Davis hehehe.

Shakur is what Bob Arum did promise Loma if he win so we might see this matchup at the end of this year if Loma won't consider retiring from boxing as he floats that idea because he said that he is now old for boxing. Against the young Shakur, Loma will be having a hard time as the former is a counter puncher and also technical but lack the experience, the biggest disadvantage of Shakur.

At this stage of his career, i don't think that Loma could unify all the four belts because he is running out of time.

However, Lomachenko should also not be underestimated. I have watched Loma vs. Haney again and it appears like the correct decision for this fight might be a split decision that can go to either to Haney or Loma's victory. I might be biased after Haney's loss to King Ry and King Ry's exposure that Haney might only be an overestimated boxer, however, watch Loma and Haney again and correct me if I am wrong.

The best way to assess the fight is to score while watching it mate. But if you did, what's your score on that fight? It's hard to say that it is correct to call it a split decision because if you had it very close in your scorecard then it could be a close unanimous, split, majority in the judges cards. Two judges had it 7-5 while the other had it surprisingly 8-4.

I stopped watching the second half and did not watch the replay. Upon seeing the per round punch stats, it's a draw for me. Anyways, both are now in different divisions and Loma might retire anytime while Haney is still young.

I am not quite certain. It might be 7-5 that can go to Loma or Haney. Similar to what I have mentioned in my reply that you have quoted, it appears that it might be a split decision with the victory that can also go to Lomachenko.

@Baofeng. Can you share an article or a news update? It was mentioned by @bisdak40 that Bob Arum said it will be Shakur.

Here is Bob Arum as who is the potential next fight for Loma.



So Bob Arum mentions two name "potentially" to be the next fight and we all know who it is, Tank Davis and Shakur Stevenson. Really boils down as what will be the best option for Loma, money wise here.
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Tank and Shakur is targeting Loma, but we will see, both of them have fights in the next coming months and hopefully if they win, we will hear them calling out Loma for their next fight and hopefully it can be set up by Top Rank as time is running out for Loma.

Great if that will happen. Loma is good against a boxer that is shorter than him, so I guess he'll give a good fight either of these two undefeated champions. Both are great match for Loma, but he can take it one boxer at at time, whoever goes first, if Loma win he can go with the 2nd champion. Just imagine if that would happen, Loma would continue to soar and will be recognize in the top pound for pound again as he might be moving up if there's no more deserving challenger in this division.

Yes, it will be a great fight, I mean it's the youth vs the experience of Loma not just in professional fights but we all know that he has 100+ fights as amateur. And then he might not have seen the power of Tank before or the defensive genius of Shakur and we will see how Loma will adjust to this kind of boxers.

So it's really up to Top Rank and Bob Arum if he is that serious to have Loma fight either of the two and win another belt of Loma. Otherwise, it could be that Loma will have to fight his mandatory as per governing body.
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Who will be next for him? I reckon this should be versus Shakur for the IBF, WBC championships and the vacant WBO championship. The winner of this will fight the scammer Tank Davis hehehe.

Shakur is what Bob Arum did promise Loma if he win so we might see this matchup at the end of this year if Loma won't consider retiring from boxing as he floats that idea because he said that he is now old for boxing. Against the young Shakur, Loma will be having a hard time as the former is a counter puncher and also technical but lack the experience, the biggest disadvantage of Shakur.

At this stage of his career, i don't think that Loma could unify all the four belts because he is running out of time.

However, Lomachenko should also not be underestimated. I have watched Loma vs. Haney again and it appears like the correct decision for this fight might be a split decision that can go to either to Haney or Loma's victory. I might be biased after Haney's loss to King Ry and King Ry's exposure that Haney might only be an overestimated boxer, however, watch Loma and Haney again and correct me if I am wrong.

The best way to assess the fight is to score while watching it mate. But if you did, what's your score on that fight? It's hard to say that it is correct to call it a split decision because if you had it very close in your scorecard then it could be a close unanimous, split, majority in the judges cards. Two judges had it 7-5 while the other had it surprisingly 8-4.

I stopped watching the second half and did not watch the replay. Upon seeing the per round punch stats, it's a draw for me. Anyways, both are now in different divisions and Loma might retire anytime while Haney is still young.

I am not quite certain. It might be 7-5 that can go to Loma or Haney. Similar to what I have mentioned in my reply that you have quoted, it appears that it might be a split decision with the victory that can also go to Lomachenko.

@Baofeng. Can you share an article or a news update? It was mentioned by @bisdak40 that Bob Arum said it will be Shakur.
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Loma at his current age is still a little faster than Haney. The issue with Loma is he is a slow starter because he wants to measure and observe his opponents before trying to execute his plans and strategies. Haney hugs a lot while Loma isn't which is why Kambosos has nowhere to go but to get stopped in the late rounds after being broken down methodically.

As for what's next. Kambosos might continue to fight but after wear and tear and blue prints on how to beat him, he might not become a champion again. I like Loma to retire. He is still good but obviously not in his prime anymore and I hate him getting exploited by the younger fighters.

Yes, and with this performance, Loma is still at top of his game, although there is question about his age, but if we will judge his performance in this fight, still elite in my opinion and Kambosos doesn't have any to answer's Loma aggressive very early.

And he really soften Kambosos early, make him tender specially in the body and when he hits it perfectly, it's hard to recover from that shot.

Loma against Shakur or Tank will be great at 135 lbs, but we will see, Arum says that they might go with Davis next.
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Tank and Shakur is targeting Loma, but we will see, both of them have fights in the next coming months and hopefully if they win, we will hear them calling out Loma for their next fight and hopefully it can be set up by Top Rank as time is running out for Loma.

Great if that will happen. Loma is good against a boxer that is shorter than him, so I guess he'll give a good fight either of these two undefeated champions. Both are great match for Loma, but he can take it one boxer at at time, whoever goes first, if Loma win he can go with the 2nd champion. Just imagine if that would happen, Loma would continue to soar and will be recognize in the top pound for pound again as he might be moving up if there's no more deserving challenger in this division.
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@serjent05. If the body punches of Kambosos during rounds 1 to 5 became effective against Lomachenko, I reckon this might have given him a chance. However, beginning on the 6th round, Lomachenko began to be more aggressive and I was very shocked that he was continuing this until the technical knockout on the 11th round.

What's shocking is that Loma is a slow starter, and maybe he really learn from that in his lost against Haney or even in his fight against Teo Lopez. So he become aggressive since round 1 and doesn't want to comeback in the last 6 rounds and maybe he will not get the benefit of the score card from the judges as this is Kambosos territory.

Who will be next for him? I reckon this should be versus Shakur for the IBF, WBC championships and the vacant WBO championship. The winner of this will fight the scammer Tank Davis hehehe.

Tank and Shakur is targeting Loma, but we will see, both of them have fights in the next coming months and hopefully if they win, we will hear them calling out Loma for their next fight and hopefully it can be set up by Top Rank as time is running out for Loma.
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