[Boxing] Lomachenko vs. Kambosos - May 12 IBF Lightweight Title - page 5.

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Quote from: Viscore on March 03, 2024, 08:19:17 AM

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I think Loma is already in the biggest and easiest money first type of fights. He already ducked Shakur for the vacant WBC. I cannot blame him though as he is already old and is past his prime. Kambosos is easier and maybe bigger money too than the boring and very technical Shakur. Loma also mentioned before that 135 is his limit so 140 could be out of the picture especially at this stage of his career.

Good for him, at least he is not forcing to climb to chase and get revenge. He could stay in this division and be an undisputed champion; that way, he'll have a very impressive legacy once he decides to retire. He is already 36 years old, so he is nearing the twilight of his career, but there's more he can accomplish by staying. Great decision for the veteran fighter.

But not as impressive against boxers who are trying to challenge themselves by aiming to become a pound-for-pound champion. At this stage, Haney and Lopez are considered better than Loma. It's just that Loma gained popularity first because he is an exciting boxer, but not much has happened in his career. He became a champion, but it seems he will stay within his limits, so we can't compare him to champions who are risk takers.

As for the latest pound for pound ranking, he is not anymore at the top 10.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on March 03, 2024, 06:35:53 AM

I think Loma is already in the biggest and easiest money first type of fights. He already ducked Shakur for the vacant WBC. I cannot blame him though as he is already old and is past his prime. Kambosos is easier and maybe bigger money too than the boring and very technical Shakur. Loma also mentioned before that 135 is his limit so 140 could be out of the picture especially at this stage of his career.

Good for him, at least he is not forcing to climb to chase and get revenge. He could stay in this division and be an undisputed champion; that way, he'll have a very impressive legacy once he decides to retire. He is already 36 years old, so he is nearing the twilight of his career, but there's more he can accomplish by staying. Great decision for the veteran fighter.

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Quote from: Kemarit on February 28, 2024, 06:10:45 PM

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I think that will be the leverage of Top Rank for Shakur to sign with them again, he will be given the chance to fight Loma which is one of his dream fights. It will be a big test for him and let's see if he can get the belt, assuming the Loma wins against George Kambosos in Australia.

Shakur already rejected Top Rank's offer to re-sign him. It was $15 million for 5 fights which is minimum of $3 million per fight. We'll see if there are other promotions that will offer bigger than TR. But I guess PBC is already out of the picture after Shakur insulted the network by saying its fighters are not earning millions which make sense because most PBC events are PPVs to pay them and most of the time only the main event fighters are getting shares.

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After this, I reckon his body is big enough already to fight in super lightweight and fight Teo Lopez, Devin Haney. The promoters and the boxing organizations should also encourage this to keep this sport alive because boxing is almost dead.

The present situation in boxing is what we are given because everything is about money and not anymore the best boxers fighting vs. the best boxers. They are killing this sport!

He can move up if he wants, so he has a chance to avenge his loss to Haney or Teo; these two boxers beat him. It would be a significant success for him if that happens. As for now, Loma's job is just to focus in training and make sure he'll give an impressive win so it will be easy to promote a fight for him.

I think Loma is already in the biggest and easiest money first type of fights. He already ducked Shakur for the vacant WBC. I cannot blame him though as he is already old and is past his prime. Kambosos is easier and maybe bigger money too than the boring and very technical Shakur. Loma also mentioned before that 135 is his limit so 140 could be out of the picture especially at this stage of his career.

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Quote from: Kemarit on February 29, 2024, 06:39:23 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on February 29, 2024, 12:31:10 AM

If Tank's mission for his career is to preserve his unbeaten record then I reckon that he is only in this sport to make some money for retirement. He has the talent to create a legacy, however, his motivation will stop from doing this. There are only very few fighters who will take risks to become the greatest. Pacman in boxing and Khabib in MMA are certainly my favorite choices.

Everyone though is here for the business of making big money until they retired. Floyd has set that precedent already, there could be some who chases for legacy, but majority including Tank Davis wanted to be the next Floyd. But it's hard to blame them, they can just give us the reasons that they put their lives on the line when they fight and so they deserved to be paid more.

I do agree, Pacman's mindset is different, that's why he achieved greatness even though he has a lot of lost in his record. Khabib retired undefeated, but it's more on his mentality as his father died and he can go thru MMA without his father in his corner.

Hopefully though, we can see Tank stepping his game and fighting the champion in 135 lbs like Shakur Stevenson and the winner here.

There is also Lomachenko after he gets the victory vs. George Kambosos and a rematch vs. Pitbull Cruz.

He can beat George Kambosos for sure. But I'm unaware about the rematch vs Pitbull Cruz, because I just checked on boxrec and I haven't seen a name Pitbull Cruz being an opponent of Loma..https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/659771

Quote from: bbc.reporter on March 02, 2024, 03:28:39 AM

After this, I reckon his body is big enough already to fight in super lightweight and fight Teo Lopez, Devin Haney. The promoters and the boxing organizations should also encourage this to keep this sport alive because boxing is almost dead.

The present situation in boxing is what we are given because everything is about money and not anymore the best boxers fighting vs. the best boxers. They are killing this sport!

He can move up if he wants, so he has a chance to avenge his loss to Haney or Teo; these two boxers beat him. It would be a significant success for him if that happens. As for now, Loma's job is just to focus in training and make sure he'll give an impressive win so it will be easy to promote a fight for him.

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Quote from: Kemarit on February 29, 2024, 06:39:23 AM

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If Tank's mission for his career is to preserve his unbeaten record then I reckon that he is only in this sport to make some money for retirement. He has the talent to create a legacy, however, his motivation will stop from doing this. There are only very few fighters who will take risks to become the greatest. Pacman in boxing and Khabib in MMA are certainly my favorite choices.

Everyone though is here for the business of making big money until they retired. Floyd has set that precedent already, there could be some who chases for legacy, but majority including Tank Davis wanted to be the next Floyd. But it's hard to blame them, they can just give us the reasons that they put their lives on the line when they fight and so they deserved to be paid more.

I do agree, Pacman's mindset is different, that's why he achieved greatness even though he has a lot of lost in his record. Khabib retired undefeated, but it's more on his mentality as his father died and he can go thru MMA without his father in his corner.

Hopefully though, we can see Tank stepping his game and fighting the champion in 135 lbs like Shakur Stevenson and the winner here.

There is also Lomachenko after he gets the victory vs. George Kambosos and a rematch vs. Pitbull Cruz. After this, I reckon his body is big enough already to fight in super lightweight and fight Teo Lopez, Devin Haney. The promoters and the boxing organizations should also encourage this to keep this sport alive because boxing is almost dead.

The present situation in boxing is what we are given because everything is about money and not anymore the best boxers fighting vs. the best boxers. They are killing this sport!

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If Tank's mission for his career is to preserve his unbeaten record then I reckon that he is only in this sport to make some money for retirement. He has the talent to create a legacy, however, his motivation will stop from doing this. There are only very few fighters who will take risks to become the greatest. Pacman in boxing and Khabib in MMA are certainly my favorite choices.

Everyone though is here for the business of making big money until they retired. Floyd has set that precedent already, there could be some who chases for legacy, but majority including Tank Davis wanted to be the next Floyd. But it's hard to blame them, they can just give us the reasons that they put their lives on the line when they fight and so they deserved to be paid more.

I do agree, Pacman's mindset is different, that's why he achieved greatness even though he has a lot of lost in his record. Khabib retired undefeated, but it's more on his mentality as his father died and he can go thru MMA without his father in his corner.

These two are champions who have a good reputation from the start. I mean, they are exciting to watch, unlike other self-proclaimed great boxers or MMA fighters, but in reality, the fans are not entertained when they fight. They are a good example of fighters who are willing to risk everything to be great; money is just next for them.

Quote from: Kemarit on February 29, 2024, 06:39:23 AM

Hopefully though, we can see Tank stepping his game and fighting the champion in 135 lbs like Shakur Stevenson and the winner here.

That would be fun to watch. Although I can say that Tank is good, Shakur seems to not have any weaknesses based on his last fights, so it will be tough for Tank to win here and on how to land his power against a very smart and quick boxer.

Everyone has his weakness though, I think Shakur hasn't been tested in his career, same with Tank that's why we didn't see any flaw on their game as of yet. The best thing about this elite boxers is that when they face great boxers, they elevate their games.

So I'm expecting either we wins here and fight Shakur next, it will be a great matchup. It will be fun as we are going to witness great boxing, Shakur is defensive and his bread and boxer is his counter. But let's say he will face Loma which is hi-tech, both of them are going to stretch not just their skills, but also their boxing IQ and trying to outsmart each other.

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Loma cannot be too complacent about not getting a knockout win in Kambosos' country. Just to ensure a victory, he needs to KO him; otherwise, he might be surprised that he is very confident in the ring, thinking he'll win comfortably, but the judges saw it differently. Grin

People will never forget what they did to Pacman, and I hope it will not happen to Loma here since Kambosos has a similar style to Horn, who just loves to attack and throw a lot of punches. If judges count that and he survives the 12 rounds, unexpected things could happen. I'm pretty sure Loma's camp is well aware of that, so it's expected that their game plan is always ready to secure a clear victory.

I'm not sure if they have similar style, what I noticed though during the Jeff Horn vs Manny Pacquiao is that Jeff is a bigger fighter and so he bullish Manny that time and that is enough for the corrupt judges to see him winning. But in this fight, I don't think that George can bully Loma here. Loma is too technical and it might be a wrong strategy for him as I'm seeing that Loma will counter him with short left and right hand.

There's a difference in terms of size, maybe, but we can't deny that Kambosos's style is always aggressive. Well, if he does it to Haney, which I think is bigger than Loma, he can also do it with Loma and still survive every round. The real challenge for Loma here is how to knock out Kambosos, as he doesn't want to go to the judges' scorecards in a non-friendly venue.

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Now, if I could ask, what would be next for Kambosos if he loses this fight? Would he rather retire or continue fighting against non-top boxers?

He can still fight, but I don't think that he will be given chances again to fight for the belt. But who knows, Bob Arum has this influence and his Top Rank has control of boxers in the lower weight. So maybe they can have George fight up and coming fighters for the money.

In that case, the amount of money he'll be earning will be lower compared to what he usually earn being a fighter who are close to the top. Let's just see the development after this fight in case he really would loss.

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Quote from: Kemarit on February 29, 2024, 06:39:23 AM

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If Tank's mission for his career is to preserve his unbeaten record then I reckon that he is only in this sport to make some money for retirement. He has the talent to create a legacy, however, his motivation will stop from doing this. There are only very few fighters who will take risks to become the greatest. Pacman in boxing and Khabib in MMA are certainly my favorite choices.

Everyone though is here for the business of making big money until they retired. Floyd has set that precedent already, there could be some who chases for legacy, but majority including Tank Davis wanted to be the next Floyd. But it's hard to blame them, they can just give us the reasons that they put their lives on the line when they fight and so they deserved to be paid more.

I do agree, Pacman's mindset is different, that's why he achieved greatness even though he has a lot of lost in his record. Khabib retired undefeated, but it's more on his mentality as his father died and he can go thru MMA without his father in his corner.

These two are champions who have a good reputation from the start. I mean, they are exciting to watch, unlike other self-proclaimed great boxers or MMA fighters, but in reality, the fans are not entertained when they fight. They are a good example of fighters who are willing to risk everything to be great; money is just next for them.

Quote from: Kemarit on February 29, 2024, 06:39:23 AM

Hopefully though, we can see Tank stepping his game and fighting the champion in 135 lbs like Shakur Stevenson and the winner here.

That would be fun to watch. Although I can say that Tank is good, Shakur seems to not have any weaknesses based on his last fights, so it will be tough for Tank to win here and on how to land his power against a very smart and quick boxer.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on February 29, 2024, 12:31:10 AM

If Tank's mission for his career is to preserve his unbeaten record then I reckon that he is only in this sport to make some money for retirement. He has the talent to create a legacy, however, his motivation will stop from doing this. There are only very few fighters who will take risks to become the greatest. Pacman in boxing and Khabib in MMA are certainly my favorite choices.

Everyone though is here for the business of making big money until they retired. Floyd has set that precedent already, there could be some who chases for legacy, but majority including Tank Davis wanted to be the next Floyd. But it's hard to blame them, they can just give us the reasons that they put their lives on the line when they fight and so they deserved to be paid more.

I do agree, Pacman's mindset is different, that's why he achieved greatness even though he has a lot of lost in his record. Khabib retired undefeated, but it's more on his mentality as his father died and he can go thru MMA without his father in his corner.

Hopefully though, we can see Tank stepping his game and fighting the champion in 135 lbs like Shakur Stevenson and the winner here.

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Regardless, I am curious what's next to the winner. When the coward Tank Davis was given a free belt, I doubt there will be another undisputed champion in this division soon. Shakur is the best fighter in this division but because of his boring and unmarketable style, the other champions will have more reasons to just duck him.

It's in house money for Top Rank, I think Shakur is going to fight the winner of this fight. Tank will be well protected and I don't think they are ready to let him face either Loma or Shakur this year.

That would be nice to see Loma ( a possible winner ) vs Shakur fight. it's the technical fighter vs a slippery fighter. It's not new to Loma since he had already fought Haney which I believe have a similar style like Shakur but Shakur is much shorter than Haney, so probably that will give Loma an advantage to that. We don't have to worry about the possible revenue of this fight since alhough Shakur is boring, but Loma will make it interesting.

It is not only Shakur is shorter than Haney. Do not underestimate that in reality, Devin Haney is very much bigger than expected. His move to super lightweight might be thought as something similar to moving up to a heavier weight division. However, it should be something similar to moving to a weight division with his correct height and size hehehe. Some fans speculated that Prograis might win because he belonged in the higher weight division but in the ring it was very clear that the much bigger boxer was Devin Haney. He might also find a home on welterweight with in 5 years.

I think both of them can go to 140 lbs, similar to how Haney, Teo and Garcia is right now. It's that Tank Davis doesn't want to take that risk and try to remain at 135 lbs and now he had a fight in his horizon. Same with Shakur, he hasn't accomplished anything yet in this division and yet he was avoided.

But being in Top Rank he can for sure get the winner of this fight obviously.

For Tank, he will be protected and preserved that 0 so that he has the leverage in negotiations and be always the A-side.

I very much agree on your comment on Tank Davis. This also showed in his negotiations with Ryan Garcia and his team where Tank included an agreement that Ryan will not be allowed to be over a certain weight during the fight. This is cleary very headshaking behavior of a hustler. It was more headshaking that Ryan and his team were easily tricked when Ryan signed the contract.

I think it's Ryan or GBP who wanted the fight and that's the price they have to pay. As they allowed Tank and his camp to put a lot of clause in their contract, including rehydration and how big Ryan could be in the fight itself. Reasoning is that they don't want Ryan to have the advantage.

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This type of trickery and the attitude of avoiding risk is making me speculate if Tank was really injured vs. Pitbull Cruz. I reckon if someone proposes a rematch, Tank will avoid Pitbull similar to Canelo and his avoidance of Benavidez hehehee.

He didn't give Pitbull the rematch, he has has move on. But we all know that he is fighting lesser and soft opponents. Again, it could have been because they want to preserved his unbeaten record like his mentor Floyd.

If Tank's mission for his career is to preserve his unbeaten record then I reckon that he is only in this sport to make some money for retirement. He has the talent to create a legacy, however, his motivation will stop from doing this. There are only very few fighters who will take risks to become the greatest. Pacman in boxing and Khabib in MMA are certainly my favorite choices.

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This type of trickery and the attitude of avoiding risk is making me speculate if Tank was really injured vs. Pitbull Cruz. I reckon if someone proposes a rematch, Tank will avoid Pitbull similar to Canelo and his avoidance of Benavidez hehehee.

He didn't give Pitbull the rematch, he has has move on. But we all know that he is fighting lesser and soft opponents. Again, it could have been because they want to preserved his unbeaten record like his mentor Floyd.

Tank avoided the rematch with Pitbull but when the latter struggled against the green but awkward Giovanni Cabrera in his last fight, a rematch was mentioned again. But maybe because of the many criticisms that Tank is just cherry picking and only wanted the rematch when Pitbull was showing weak in its last fight it failed to materialize probably because of the network unwilling to guarantee of a big purse.

Anyways, I expect Loma to win and become champion again. But I do not think he still has enough left to beat Shakur. Shakur just said he is fighting again but will only honor the last remaining fight with Top Rank. So I am not sure if there are networks and promoter that are willing to offer more money for a boring fighter like Shakur.

That's what I'm trying to say with Tank, he chooses easy fight, that it might look and close in paper but still he is the A-side and going to knockout his opponent. Even in the Rolly Romero fight, Rolly in relatively unknown, but they try to spin as if Rolly has a punchers change against Tank and that Floyd or someone from his team thinks that Rolly can beat Tank.

I think that will be the leverage of Top Rank for Shakur to sign with them again, he will be given the chance to fight Loma which is one of his dream fights. It will be a big test for him and let's see if he can get the belt, assuming the Loma wins against George Kambosos in Australia.

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Quote from: Dave1 on February 27, 2024, 04:52:05 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on February 27, 2024, 01:28:08 AM

This type of trickery and the attitude of avoiding risk is making me speculate if Tank was really injured vs. Pitbull Cruz. I reckon if someone proposes a rematch, Tank will avoid Pitbull similar to Canelo and his avoidance of Benavidez hehehee.

He didn't give Pitbull the rematch, he has has move on. But we all know that he is fighting lesser and soft opponents. Again, it could have been because they want to preserved his unbeaten record like his mentor Floyd.

Tank avoided the rematch with Pitbull but when the latter struggled against the green but awkward Giovanni Cabrera in his last fight, a rematch was mentioned again. But maybe because of the many criticisms that Tank is just cherry picking and only wanted the rematch when Pitbull was showing weak in its last fight it failed to materialize probably because of the network unwilling to guarantee of a big purse.

Anyways, I expect Loma to win and become champion again. But I do not think he still has enough left to beat Shakur. Shakur just said he is fighting again but will only honor the last remaining fight with Top Rank. So I am not sure if there are networks and promoter that are willing to offer more money for a boring fighter like Shakur.

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Regardless, I am curious what's next to the winner. When the coward Tank Davis was given a free belt, I doubt there will be another undisputed champion in this division soon. Shakur is the best fighter in this division but because of his boring and unmarketable style, the other champions will have more reasons to just duck him.

It's in house money for Top Rank, I think Shakur is going to fight the winner of this fight. Tank will be well protected and I don't think they are ready to let him face either Loma or Shakur this year.

That would be nice to see Loma ( a possible winner ) vs Shakur fight. it's the technical fighter vs a slippery fighter. It's not new to Loma since he had already fought Haney which I believe have a similar style like Shakur but Shakur is much shorter than Haney, so probably that will give Loma an advantage to that. We don't have to worry about the possible revenue of this fight since alhough Shakur is boring, but Loma will make it interesting.

It is not only Shakur is shorter than Haney. Do not underestimate that in reality, Devin Haney is very much bigger than expected. His move to super lightweight might be thought as something similar to moving up to a heavier weight division. However, it should be something similar to moving to a weight division with his correct height and size hehehe. Some fans speculated that Prograis might win because he belonged in the higher weight division but in the ring it was very clear that the much bigger boxer was Devin Haney. He might also find a home on welterweight with in 5 years.

I think both of them can go to 140 lbs, similar to how Haney, Teo and Garcia is right now. It's that Tank Davis doesn't want to take that risk and try to remain at 135 lbs and now he had a fight in his horizon. Same with Shakur, he hasn't accomplished anything yet in this division and yet he was avoided.

But being in Top Rank he can for sure get the winner of this fight obviously.

For Tank, he will be protected and preserved that 0 so that he has the leverage in negotiations and be always the A-side.

I very much agree on your comment on Tank Davis. This also showed in his negotiations with Ryan Garcia and his team where Tank included an agreement that Ryan will not be allowed to be over a certain weight during the fight. This is cleary very headshaking behavior of a hustler. It was more headshaking that Ryan and his team were easily tricked when Ryan signed the contract.

I think it's Ryan or GBP who wanted the fight and that's the price they have to pay. As they allowed Tank and his camp to put a lot of clause in their contract, including rehydration and how big Ryan could be in the fight itself. Reasoning is that they don't want Ryan to have the advantage.

Quote from: bbc.reporter on February 27, 2024, 01:28:08 AM

This type of trickery and the attitude of avoiding risk is making me speculate if Tank was really injured vs. Pitbull Cruz. I reckon if someone proposes a rematch, Tank will avoid Pitbull similar to Canelo and his avoidance of Benavidez hehehee.

He didn't give Pitbull the rematch, he has has move on. But we all know that he is fighting lesser and soft opponents. Again, it could have been because they want to preserved his unbeaten record like his mentor Floyd.

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Regardless, I am curious what's next to the winner. When the coward Tank Davis was given a free belt, I doubt there will be another undisputed champion in this division soon. Shakur is the best fighter in this division but because of his boring and unmarketable style, the other champions will have more reasons to just duck him.

It's in house money for Top Rank, I think Shakur is going to fight the winner of this fight. Tank will be well protected and I don't think they are ready to let him face either Loma or Shakur this year.

That would be nice to see Loma ( a possible winner ) vs Shakur fight. it's the technical fighter vs a slippery fighter. It's not new to Loma since he had already fought Haney which I believe have a similar style like Shakur but Shakur is much shorter than Haney, so probably that will give Loma an advantage to that. We don't have to worry about the possible revenue of this fight since alhough Shakur is boring, but Loma will make it interesting.

It is not only Shakur is shorter than Haney. Do not underestimate that in reality, Devin Haney is very much bigger than expected. His move to super lightweight might be thought as something similar to moving up to a heavier weight division. However, it should be something similar to moving to a weight division with his correct height and size hehehe. Some fans speculated that Prograis might win because he belonged in the higher weight division but in the ring it was very clear that the much bigger boxer was Devin Haney. He might also find a home on welterweight with in 5 years.

I think both of them can go to 140 lbs, similar to how Haney, Teo and Garcia is right now. It's that Tank Davis doesn't want to take that risk and try to remain at 135 lbs and now he had a fight in his horizon. Same with Shakur, he hasn't accomplished anything yet in this division and yet he was avoided.

But being in Top Rank he can for sure get the winner of this fight obviously.

For Tank, he will be protected and preserved that 0 so that he has the leverage in negotiations and be always the A-side.

I very much agree on your comment on Tank Davis. This also showed in his negotiations with Ryan Garcia and his team where Tank included an agreement that Ryan will not be allowed to be over a certain weight during the fight. This is cleary very headshaking behavior of a hustler. It was more headshaking that Ryan and his team were easily tricked when Ryan signed the contract.

This type of trickery and the attitude of avoiding risk is making me speculate if Tank was really injured vs. Pitbull Cruz. I reckon if someone proposes a rematch, Tank will avoid Pitbull similar to Canelo and his avoidance of Benavidez hehehee.

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Regardless, I am curious what's next to the winner. When the coward Tank Davis was given a free belt, I doubt there will be another undisputed champion in this division soon. Shakur is the best fighter in this division but because of his boring and unmarketable style, the other champions will have more reasons to just duck him.

It's in house money for Top Rank, I think Shakur is going to fight the winner of this fight. Tank will be well protected and I don't think they are ready to let him face either Loma or Shakur this year.

That would be nice to see Loma ( a possible winner ) vs Shakur fight. it's the technical fighter vs a slippery fighter. It's not new to Loma since he had already fought Haney which I believe have a similar style like Shakur but Shakur is much shorter than Haney, so probably that will give Loma an advantage to that. We don't have to worry about the possible revenue of this fight since alhough Shakur is boring, but Loma will make it interesting.

It is not only Shakur is shorter than Haney. Do not underestimate that in reality, Devin Haney is very much bigger than expected. His move to super lightweight might be thought as something similar to moving up to a heavier weight division. However, it should be something similar to moving to a weight division with his correct height and size hehehe. Some fans speculated that Prograis might win because he belonged in the higher weight division but in the ring it was very clear that the much bigger boxer was Devin Haney. He might also find a home on welterweight with in 5 years.

Obviously, there are no boxers that can stay in one division, specially for those who have started in lower weight class. We have seen a lot of legendary and not so great boxers going up in weight. So I'm seeing both Shakur and Tank Davis could go up in weight, but it has to do with the timing. Maybe when some of the 140 lbs champions goes to welterweight like Teo and Haney maybe these two will have to jump.

Tank Davis for me will have to still proved himself in this 135 lbs. He has started now, Frank Martin in his next fight. But his true test will be Shakur and Loma. And I think he can beat both of this fighters. No more paper or free belt for Tank, he should earn it and fight the best and clean up this division.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on February 15, 2024, 04:45:27 AM

Regardless, I am curious what's next to the winner. When the coward Tank Davis was given a free belt, I doubt there will be another undisputed champion in this division soon. Shakur is the best fighter in this division but because of his boring and unmarketable style, the other champions will have more reasons to just duck him.

It's in house money for Top Rank, I think Shakur is going to fight the winner of this fight. Tank will be well protected and I don't think they are ready to let him face either Loma or Shakur this year.

That would be nice to see Loma ( a possible winner ) vs Shakur fight. it's the technical fighter vs a slippery fighter. It's not new to Loma since he had already fought Haney which I believe have a similar style like Shakur but Shakur is much shorter than Haney, so probably that will give Loma an advantage to that. We don't have to worry about the possible revenue of this fight since alhough Shakur is boring, but Loma will make it interesting.

It is not only Shakur is shorter than Haney. Do not underestimate that in reality, Devin Haney is very much bigger than expected. His move to super lightweight might be thought as something similar to moving up to a heavier weight division. However, it should be something similar to moving to a weight division with his correct height and size hehehe. Some fans speculated that Prograis might win because he belonged in the higher weight division but in the ring it was very clear that the much bigger boxer was Devin Haney. He might also find a home on welterweight with in 5 years.

Some fans, yeah, but most of the fans believed he would not win. In fact, if we go back to the betting odds at that time, Haney was a clear favorite among the bookies, suggesting that he would win the fight. In fact, that's what happened. It wasn't a win that he had a hard time achieving, as it was just like a walk in the park for Haney. There's a huge difference in quickness, as Haney could easily hit Prograis and go back on his defense. Maybe his domination will continue, and I agree that he might move up sooner or later.

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Regardless, I am curious what's next to the winner. When the coward Tank Davis was given a free belt, I doubt there will be another undisputed champion in this division soon. Shakur is the best fighter in this division but because of his boring and unmarketable style, the other champions will have more reasons to just duck him.

It's in house money for Top Rank, I think Shakur is going to fight the winner of this fight. Tank will be well protected and I don't think they are ready to let him face either Loma or Shakur this year.

That would be nice to see Loma ( a possible winner ) vs Shakur fight. it's the technical fighter vs a slippery fighter. It's not new to Loma since he had already fought Haney which I believe have a similar style like Shakur but Shakur is much shorter than Haney, so probably that will give Loma an advantage to that. We don't have to worry about the possible revenue of this fight since alhough Shakur is boring, but Loma will make it interesting.

It is not only Shakur is shorter than Haney. Do not underestimate that in reality, Devin Haney is very much bigger than expected. His move to super lightweight might be thought as something similar to moving up to a heavier weight division. However, it should be something similar to moving to a weight division with his correct height and size hehehe. Some fans speculated that Prograis might win because he belonged in the higher weight division but in the ring it was very clear that the much bigger boxer was Devin Haney. He might also find a home on welterweight with in 5 years.

I think both of them can go to 140 lbs, similar to how Haney, Teo and Garcia is right now. It's that Tank Davis doesn't want to take that risk and try to remain at 135 lbs and now he had a fight in his horizon. Same with Shakur, he hasn't accomplished anything yet in this division and yet he was avoided.

But being in Top Rank he can for sure get the winner of this fight obviously.

For Tank, he will be protected and preserved that 0 so that he has the leverage in negotiations and be always the A-side.

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Regardless, I am curious what's next to the winner. When the coward Tank Davis was given a free belt, I doubt there will be another undisputed champion in this division soon. Shakur is the best fighter in this division but because of his boring and unmarketable style, the other champions will have more reasons to just duck him.

It's in house money for Top Rank, I think Shakur is going to fight the winner of this fight. Tank will be well protected and I don't think they are ready to let him face either Loma or Shakur this year.

That would be nice to see Loma ( a possible winner ) vs Shakur fight. it's the technical fighter vs a slippery fighter. It's not new to Loma since he had already fought Haney which I believe have a similar style like Shakur but Shakur is much shorter than Haney, so probably that will give Loma an advantage to that. We don't have to worry about the possible revenue of this fight since alhough Shakur is boring, but Loma will make it interesting.

It is not only Shakur is shorter than Haney. Do not underestimate that in reality, Devin Haney is very much bigger than expected. His move to super lightweight might be thought as something similar to moving up to a heavier weight division. However, it should be something similar to moving to a weight division with his correct height and size hehehe. Some fans speculated that Prograis might win because he belonged in the higher weight division but in the ring it was very clear that the much bigger boxer was Devin Haney. He might also find a home on welterweight with in 5 years.

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Loma cannot be too complacent about not getting a knockout win in Kambosos' country. Just to ensure a victory, he needs to KO him; otherwise, he might be surprised that he is very confident in the ring, thinking he'll win comfortably, but the judges saw it differently. Grin

People will never forget what they did to Pacman, and I hope it will not happen to Loma here since Kambosos has a similar style to Horn, who just loves to attack and throw a lot of punches. If judges count that and he survives the 12 rounds, unexpected things could happen. I'm pretty sure Loma's camp is well aware of that, so it's expected that their game plan is always ready to secure a clear victory.

Now, if I could ask, what would be next for Kambosos if he loses this fight? Would he rather retire or continue fighting against non-top boxers?

To be fair, there's not one high profile robbery fight in years in Australia after the Horn vs Pacquiao fight. Maybe they know that it did bring bad stigma to them. So now they are very careful of the fights being held that involved Australian. They still have Tim Tszyu as a champion and he had fights in Australia that hasn't been home cook, although it's either a stoppage win for Tim or a knockout victory.

But I will do agree that Loma shouldn't be self-assured here, in the Haney fight for me might have slow down in the championship rounds that's why Haney was able to steal the win in that fight. So he shouldn't do it here, he needs to show he has still the killer instinct to finished and knock his opponent out.

Robbery normally happens when a champion loses to a challenger. In the case of Tim Tszyu, he seemed to be the favorite or the champion, so he was expected to win. In this fight, Loma is the heavy favorite, so it will be controversial if the public perceives the fight as dominated by Loma, but it turns out that the victory is given to Kambosos if it goes the full 12 rounds.

I think every boxer fighting in the opponent's home country will make sure to secure a KO victory or at least show a very impressive performance to win, just to prevent this kind of controversial result from happening.

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Quote from: Natalim on February 23, 2024, 03:00:09 PM

Quote from: Japinat on February 23, 2024, 02:37:53 PM

Loma cannot be too complacent about not getting a knockout win in Kambosos' country. Just to ensure a victory, he needs to KO him; otherwise, he might be surprised that he is very confident in the ring, thinking he'll win comfortably, but the judges saw it differently. Grin

People will never forget what they did to Pacman, and I hope it will not happen to Loma here since Kambosos has a similar style to Horn, who just loves to attack and throw a lot of punches. If judges count that and he survives the 12 rounds, unexpected things could happen. I'm pretty sure Loma's camp is well aware of that, so it's expected that their game plan is always ready to secure a clear victory.

Now, if I could ask, what would be next for Kambosos if he loses this fight? Would he rather retire or continue fighting against non-top boxers?

To be fair, there's not one high profile robbery fight in years in Australia after the Horn vs Pacquiao fight. Maybe they know that it did bring bad stigma to them. So now they are very careful of the fights being held that involved Australian. They still have Tim Tszyu as a champion and he had fights in Australia that hasn't been home cook, although it's either a stoppage win for Tim or a knockout victory.

But I will do agree that Loma shouldn't be self-assured here, in the Haney fight for me might have slow down in the championship rounds that's why Haney was able to steal the win in that fight. So he shouldn't do it here, he needs to show he has still the killer instinct to finished and knock his opponent out.

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