{Boxing} Manny Pacquiao vs Yordenis Ugas

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Quote from: mu_enrico on August 25, 2021, 08:46:53 AM

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Pacquiao said he had cramps

Please let Mr. Pacman retire in peace. He lost his speed already. That should be the end of his career. Surely Ugas isn't a problem for Pacman in his prime, but this old Pacman shouldn't fight again, except for an exhibition match with the likes of Logan/Jake Paul.

Looking back at the odds, this match should be easy money. Too bad I didn't place any bet.

We really didn't think that Ugas will upset Pacquiao though, but for those who love to bet on the underdogs for sure it was a big win for them, as I remember it was 3.x for Ugas ML and it could be higher by decision.

In any case, a fighter is best at his last fight and we can clearly see that Pacquiao has lost it already. No speed, no movement because of the cramping, so Manny should definitely retire in peace.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on August 25, 2021, 08:46:53 AM

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on August 25, 2021, 12:54:32 AM

Pacquiao said he had cramps

Please let Mr. Pacman retire in peace. He lost his speed already. That should be the end of his career. Surely Ugas isn't a problem for Pacman in his prime, but this old Pacman shouldn't fight again, except for an exhibition match with the likes of Logan/Jake Paul.

Looking back at the odds, this match should be easy money. Too bad I didn't place any bet.

The problem is that it was impossible to know this was going to be the fight in which Manny will finally show that he was not the same as before, it is obvious people have been expecting a decline for some time as he is 42 already but he still showed no signs of it for a very long time so it makes sense the odds were this skewed in his favor as no one wanted to bet against Manny, so congratulations to those that placed a bet on Ugas whether it was dumb luck or they actually saw this coming they probably made good money out of this.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on August 25, 2021, 12:54:32 AM

There is no desire from the fans to watch a rematch. Pacquiao said he had cramps but clearly Ugas was just superior. It's time for everybody to move on. Ugas should be trying to unify with Spence and Crawford to determine an undisputed welterweight champion.

Agree. Making a rematch is like they just are fooling the people and they might think that the first fight is rigged because of high odds to Ugas.

Pacquiao is now out of the topic. Not even a good opponent to Spence or Crawford. He should just retire and let the young ones fight for the title.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on August 25, 2021, 12:54:32 AM

There is no desire from the fans to watch a rematch. Pacquiao said he had cramps but clearly Ugas was just superior. It's time for everybody to move on.

He did say that and he also said that He felt the tightness of the muscle on his legs from round 2 to round 12. That alone shows that his muscles isn't responding well. As much as I adore him and would still love to see him fight, it would be for the best for him to retire and focus on other things.

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Quote from: mu_enrico on August 25, 2021, 08:46:53 AM

Please let Mr. Pacman retire in peace. He lost his speed already. That should be the end of his career. Surely Ugas isn't a problem for Pacman in his prime, but this old Pacman shouldn't fight again, except for an exhibition match with the likes of Logan/Jake Paul.

Looking back at the odds, this match should be easy money. Too bad I didn't place any bet.

You are right an exhibition match is preferable he can fight Mcgregor or Paul or even Mayweather in an exhibition and he can still make money, Pacquiao will not just give out his training, and exhibitions is something that can still make him practice what he loves, but judging on how Pacquiao fought against he can still beat all these exhibition fighters like Paul or Mayweather.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on August 25, 2021, 12:54:32 AM

Pacquiao said he had cramps

Please let Mr. Pacman retire in peace. He lost his speed already. That should be the end of his career. Surely Ugas isn't a problem for Pacman in his prime, but this old Pacman shouldn't fight again, except for an exhibition match with the likes of Logan/Jake Paul.

Looking back at the odds, this match should be easy money. Too bad I didn't place any bet.

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Quote from: aioc on August 25, 2021, 06:29:42 AM

Quote from: Pamadar on August 25, 2021, 03:46:33 AM

Ugas has the right now to choose his path, and facing either Spence and Crawford will probably to happened.

Of the three I don't consider Ugas on the league of Spence and Crawford, there's a possibility that the belt Ugas is currently holding the WBA version will go to either Spence or Crawford or any other worthy contender unless he evades fighting these two top and elite fighters, I don't think he can hold on that title for long, he has flaws on his style, both Crawford and Spence can beat this guy.

I can't be sure, but I read that Spence is avoiding or at least not interested on fighting Ugas. Remember though that Shawn Porter has beaten Ugas on a tough fight in 2019. So I agree that Ugas in that in the league of the top welterweights right now.

But since he has the belt, I think other champions are going to chase him, and also they want to test him after beating the legendary Manny Pacquiao.

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Quote from: Pamadar on August 25, 2021, 03:46:33 AM

Ugas has the right now to choose his path, and facing either Spence and Crawford will probably to happened.

Of the three I don't consider Ugas on the league of Spence and Crawford, there's a possibility that the belt Ugas is currently holding the WBA version will go to either Spence or Crawford or any other worthy contender unless he evades fighting these two top and elite fighters, I don't think he can hold on that title for long, he has flaws on his style, both Crawford and Spence can beat this guy.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on August 25, 2021, 12:54:32 AM

There is no desire from the fans to watch a rematch. Pacquiao said he had cramps but clearly Ugas was just superior. It's time for everybody to move on. Ugas should be trying to unify with Spence and Crawford to determine an undisputed welterweight champion.

Ugas has the right now to choose his path, and facing either Spence and Crawford will probably to happened.

We have to accept the fact that with how Pacquiao fought, he's aging body is dictating that he needed to rest and it's better now to retire
as he doesn't need to chase for that rematch, unless he wanted to make more money he can risk his health once again and hope that no
major injury will happen to him.

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Quote from: DU18 on August 24, 2021, 08:10:22 PM

From several interviews of manny pacquaio in newspapers, Manny pacquaio has admitted his defeat from ugas and he is now saying that he will focus more on carrying out his other duties, namely serving the people in the Philippines, and of course this indicates that manny pacquaio may soon decide to retire from boxing and continue his career as a politician, moreover he wants to run for the presidential election in 2022, so it looks like there will be no more rematch between manny pacquaio with ugas, and the boxing world has now recognized that ugas deserves to be the WBA welterweight boxing champion.

If he really said that he will focus more on his other duties then that means he's closing his door (for now) to have a possible rematch with Ugas or should I say ending his career as a boxer.

But this will depend on the outcome of his plan to run for presidency, if he lose we can expect his come back but just like what I've said before the current situation now is different when he is still a younger boxer. It would be a bit hard for him to fight like how he used to.

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There is no desire from the fans to watch a rematch. Pacquiao said he had cramps but clearly Ugas was just superior. It's time for everybody to move on. Ugas should be trying to unify with Spence and Crawford to determine an undisputed welterweight champion.

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GoodBye Manny paccquiao Boxing career , all the indication is coming now and it seems that finally this is the last fight we will ever see from the 8 division champion .

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Quote from: TravelMug on August 24, 2021, 08:14:13 PM

As I have said previously, Pacquiao is done in the sports of boxing, there's no need to redeem his name in a rematch. He is already noted as one of the best in the century by many sports analyst. He already accepted defeat and has move on with his other goals, like running for the highest office in the Philippines. A rematch if ever he wins, will not do anything for his career, a loss will be damaging.

He deserves at least one more match against a good opponent, and that doesn't essentially needs to be a rematch against Yordenis Ugas. It will be tragic, if the farewell match for Pacquaio turns out to be an upset defeat against a little known opponent. Pacquaio is a legend in the field of boxing and the other boxers like Crawford, Taylor, Spence and Garcia needs to show respect towards him. The least they can do is to give him an opportunity to retire after a farewell fight against the best in welterweight category.

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Quote from: Baofeng on August 24, 2021, 05:30:33 PM

Just playing devil advocates here:

Ugas said that he is willing to give Manny a rematch? What can you say about that? hehehe

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“Two-hundred percent,” Ugas said in reference to a rematch during their post-fight press conference Saturday night at T-Mobile Arena. “You know, Manny’s a great legend, great fighter. You know, if he wants a rematch, no question about it. You know, a legend like that deserves it.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/yordenis-ugas-if-manny-pacquiao-wants-rematch-legend-like-deserves-it--160093

Of course, it will be a money grab for Ugas here, for sure he will get at least more than 10% of the previous purse he got. I know that majority of us wanted Manny to retire and move on with his political career. He has a tight schedule if he rans for the Presidency, but will he take the bait to fight Ugas again?

I doubt that Manny's camp will buy this rematch as they have already saw the difference between the fighters and obviously Manny cannot beat ugas even in second and 3rd fight why?
because he is too old now to win a bout against younger boxer . maybe if he will face Dela Hoya or other boxers in His Age bracket .

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Quote from: Dave1 on August 24, 2021, 07:36:58 PM

Not sure if this is viable for Manny to have a rematch with Ugas.

And for Ugas this is a win-win situation that's why he is want to get Manny a rematch, he will beat the legendary twice and then he will have the biggest paycheck of his career.

It's better for Manny to remain retire as of now and pursue his presidential bid.

I agree with you, many said that Manny is really at a disadvantage in the fight if you just look at their stances. In their normal jabs, Ugas is only noticeable, in stature and length of arms. Pacman's blows don't seem to reach him very well. So if there is a rematch, it looks like the Cuban boxer will beat him again. Maybe his achievements in his boxing career are right and enough and it's time for him to retire and focus on serving the people no matter what position in the government.

From several interviews of manny pacquaio in newspapers, Manny pacquaio has admitted his defeat from ugas and he is now saying that he will focus more on carrying out his other duties, namely serving the people in the Philippines, and of course this indicates that manny pacquaio may soon decide to retire from boxing and continue his career as a politician, moreover he wants to run for the presidential election in 2022, so it looks like there will be no more rematch between manny pacquaio with ugas, and the boxing world has now recognized that ugas deserves to be the WBA welterweight boxing champion.

As I have said previously, Pacquiao is done in the sports of boxing, there's no need to redeem his name in a rematch. He is already noted as one of the best in the century by many sports analyst. He already accepted defeat and has move on with his other goals, like running for the highest office in the Philippines. A rematch if ever he wins, will not do anything for his career, a loss will be damaging.

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Quote from: Text on August 24, 2021, 07:59:39 PM

Quote from: Dave1 on August 24, 2021, 07:36:58 PM

Not sure if this is viable for Manny to have a rematch with Ugas.

And for Ugas this is a win-win situation that's why he is want to get Manny a rematch, he will beat the legendary twice and then he will have the biggest paycheck of his career.

It's better for Manny to remain retire as of now and pursue his presidential bid.

I agree with you, many said that Manny is really at a disadvantage in the fight if you just look at their stances. In their normal jabs, Ugas is only noticeable, in stature and length of arms. Pacman's blows don't seem to reach him very well. So if there is a rematch, it looks like the Cuban boxer will beat him again. Maybe his achievements in his boxing career are right and enough and it's time for him to retire and focus on serving the people no matter what position in the government.

From several interviews of manny pacquaio in newspapers, Manny pacquaio has admitted his defeat from ugas and he is now saying that he will focus more on carrying out his other duties, namely serving the people in the Philippines, and of course this indicates that manny pacquaio may soon decide to retire from boxing and continue his career as a politician, moreover he wants to run for the presidential election in 2022, so it looks like there will be no more rematch between manny pacquaio with ugas, and the boxing world has now recognized that ugas deserves to be the WBA welterweight boxing champion.

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Quote from: Dave1 on August 24, 2021, 07:36:58 PM

Not sure if this is viable for Manny to have a rematch with Ugas.

And for Ugas this is a win-win situation that's why he is want to get Manny a rematch, he will beat the legendary twice and then he will have the biggest paycheck of his career.

It's better for Manny to remain retire as of now and pursue his presidential bid.

I agree with you, many said that Manny is really at a disadvantage in the fight if you just look at their stances. In their normal jabs, Ugas is only noticeable, in stature and length of arms. Pacman's blows don't seem to reach him very well. So if there is a rematch, it looks like the Cuban boxer will beat him again. Maybe his achievements in his boxing career are right and enough and it's time for him to retire and focus on serving the people no matter what position in the government.

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Quote from: Baofeng on August 24, 2021, 05:30:33 PM

Just playing devil advocates here:

Ugas said that he is willing to give Manny a rematch? What can you say about that? hehehe

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“Two-hundred percent,” Ugas said in reference to a rematch during their post-fight press conference Saturday night at T-Mobile Arena. “You know, Manny’s a great legend, great fighter. You know, if he wants a rematch, no question about it. You know, a legend like that deserves it.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/yordenis-ugas-if-manny-pacquiao-wants-rematch-legend-like-deserves-it--160093

Of course, it will be a money grab for Ugas here, for sure he will get at least more than 10% of the previous purse he got. I know that majority of us wanted Manny to retire and move on with his political career. He has a tight schedule if he rans for the Presidency, but will he take the bait to fight Ugas again?

Not sure if this is viable for Manny to have a rematch with Ugas.

And for Ugas this is a win-win situation that's why he is want to get Manny a rematch, he will beat the legendary twice and then he will have the biggest paycheck of his career.

It's better for Manny to remain retire as of now and pursue his presidential bid.

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Nevertheless, do you think this is the last fight of Manny?

In his statement, he considers retiring but it's not final yet, so as long as there's no formal announcement from him about retiring, then we can assume that we will still see him fight again.

The fact that he gave some hint before, I think a few years ago. I cannot remember if it came from him or her wife that he just has to retire and he's considering it.

But after that then a fight of him came. It is true that these hints will remain as it is until he finally says and gives an official statement for his retirement.

As Pacquiao said, he had done enough already for boxing, and boxing had done a lot for him. So yeah, he should retire while he can still enjoy the fruits of his sacrifices. Don't wait to suffer major body damage. He's not getting young. Time to give the ring to younger generation. His record is already astonishing and can be lined up to boxing greats like Muhammad Ali and Sugar Ray Robinson.

He said that many times and as for retirement, just as I've said, he already said almost the same words.

If he's going to ask the people and his fans, we want him to retire and just take a peaceful life with his family. But he's got a lot of other things to do aside from boxing.

He's going into another career path of his life and that's why we'll still not know unless he says that officially.

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Just playing devil advocates here:

Ugas said that he is willing to give Manny a rematch? What can you say about that? hehehe

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“Two-hundred percent,” Ugas said in reference to a rematch during their post-fight press conference Saturday night at T-Mobile Arena. “You know, Manny’s a great legend, great fighter. You know, if he wants a rematch, no question about it. You know, a legend like that deserves it.”

https://www.boxingscene.com/yordenis-ugas-if-manny-pacquiao-wants-rematch-legend-like-deserves-it--160093

Of course, it will be a money grab for Ugas here, for sure he will get at least more than 10% of the previous purse he got. I know that majority of us wanted Manny to retire and move on with his political career. He has a tight schedule if he rans for the Presidency, but will he take the bait to fight Ugas again?

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