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legendary
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August 23, 2021, 08:19:38 AM
I don’t think he does it because he loves boxing so much. I’ve heard rumors he has quite a cocaine habit to fund and that is why he continues to fight while doing damage to his reputation every time he steps into the ring. It’s sad that people can make so much money in their lives and be so successful and then end up a slave to their lifestyle. I hope Manny gets help and sets himself up for old age before he starts boxing youtubers for cash.
I doubt that's the reason why he still fights, but I remember reading it in an article years ago and it is not rumored. he admits the use of drugs but it was when he was in his teens before he even became a professional boxer. although, I am not surprised that he used to use it. drugs in the slums in the Philippines are heavily rampant. sometimes you'll even see 12 years olds using drugs. if you are interested there are articles when he admitted the use of drugs when he was in his teens you can try and read them.
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August 23, 2021, 08:06:41 AM

He is getting older, that's just normal, according to him, there's a 60/40 chance that he will retire from boxing, but he still considers fight. For a boxer that makes billions of in their currency, it's not easy to leave the sports, so we might see him fight again as he was given a chance for a rematch against Ugas.

he's focus right now might be for his political career that's why he said that percentages about this sport.

No longer young and no longer have the stamina way back, Manny might accept another fight after next year. He together with his camp.
will look at it right after the election. Maybe he's not getting any younger but the desire to win still inside him and once he focuses his mind in case that he calls for the rematch chance to win still possible for him.
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August 23, 2021, 08:02:27 AM
I think a lot of betting exchanges are getting quite a lot of profit after  Pacquiao lose in the match, because before the fight started, many people (including me) were betting for the win of Pacquiao Grin.
Even though Pacquiao lost that fight, but for me he is still a great boxer and knows no fear of his opponent, even though it is clear the opponent he is facing is younger and has more stamina than Pacquiao, with this defeat it looks like Pacquiao will soon end his career in boxing with record 62 wins (39 KOs), 8 losses and 2 draw.

IMO, betting exchanges or betting sites makes a profit regardless of the result as there are bettors who bet on both sides and sportsbook only make money from the commission they'll get. Ugas is a huge underdog of the fight, but there are also bettors who risk money on the underdog, and they are the ones who enjoyed winning, for sportsbooks, profit is just a daily norm for them.
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August 23, 2021, 07:58:08 AM
I think a lot of betting exchanges are getting quite a lot of profit after  Pacquiao lose in the match, because before the fight started, many people (including me) were betting for the win of Pacquiao Grin.
Even though Pacquiao lost that fight, but for me he is still a great boxer and knows no fear of his opponent, even though it is clear the opponent he is facing is younger and has more stamina than Pacquiao, with this defeat it looks like Pacquiao will soon end his career in boxing with record 62 wins (39 KOs), 8 losses and 2 draw.
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August 23, 2021, 07:55:49 AM
WTF? What actually happened? How did Yordenis Ugás won the fight? This is like the worst thing that can ever happen to Manny Pacquiao. If he had lost to Spence, then it was still OK. But a loss to Ugas? It is really difficult to digest the outcome of this match. I understand that Manny, at 42 years was well past his prime. But we have seen other boxers like Mayweather giving very good performances even in their 40s. Anyway, I am glad about one thing. This time the jury didn't made any mistake. Their scorecard (115-113, 116-112, 116-112) matched with those from third parties like CBS Sports.  

You shouldn't be dramatizing, it was a good fight with a decent ending, without a knockout and total superiority of one boxer. This is clearly not the worst thing that could happen to Pacquiao, now he may well end his career on a high note and everyone will remember him as a great boxer who performed with dignity in every match.
Indeed , it is a great fight and the decision of judges is fair and legit.

Admit it that Manny is no longer the same pacquiao back years. and also he cannot compete with younger generation boxers.

wondering Spence will also beat Him if their fight come than Ugas.

He is getting older, that's just normal, according to him, there's a 60/40 chance that he will retire from boxing, but he still considers fight. For a boxer that makes billions of in their currency, it's not easy to leave the sports, so we might see him fight again as he was given a chance for a rematch against Ugas.
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August 23, 2021, 07:16:20 AM
WTF? What actually happened? How did Yordenis Ugás won the fight? This is like the worst thing that can ever happen to Manny Pacquiao. If he had lost to Spence, then it was still OK. But a loss to Ugas? It is really difficult to digest the outcome of this match. I understand that Manny, at 42 years was well past his prime. But we have seen other boxers like Mayweather giving very good performances even in their 40s. Anyway, I am glad about one thing. This time the jury didn't made any mistake. Their scorecard (115-113, 116-112, 116-112) matched with those from third parties like CBS Sports. 

You shouldn't be dramatizing, it was a good fight with a decent ending, without a knockout and total superiority of one boxer. This is clearly not the worst thing that could happen to Pacquiao, now he may well end his career on a high note and everyone will remember him as a great boxer who performed with dignity in every match.
Indeed , it is a great fight and the decision of judges is fair and legit.

Admit it that Manny is no longer the same pacquiao back years. and also he cannot compete with younger generation boxers.

wondering Spence will also beat Him if their fight come than Ugas.
legendary
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August 23, 2021, 06:48:19 AM
WTF? What actually happened? How did Yordenis Ugás won the fight? This is like the worst thing that can ever happen to Manny Pacquiao. If he had lost to Spence, then it was still OK. But a loss to Ugas? It is really difficult to digest the outcome of this match. I understand that Manny, at 42 years was well past his prime. But we have seen other boxers like Mayweather giving very good performances even in their 40s. Anyway, I am glad about one thing. This time the jury didn't made any mistake. Their scorecard (115-113, 116-112, 116-112) matched with those from third parties like CBS Sports.  

You shouldn't be dramatizing, it was a good fight with a decent ending, without a knockout and total superiority of one boxer. This is clearly not the worst thing that could happen to Pacquiao, now he may well end his career on a high note and everyone will remember him as a great boxer who performed with dignity in every match.
We have seen worst of Pacquiao, getting knock out by Marquez, a decision lost to Bradley, (which is the worst for me), and then the Horn robbery. Yes, I know that it is hard to digest the Ugas lost as Manny is the favorite, but that is sports, so it's really an upset but we have to take it and accept.

Just sad that this will be his last fight, however, let's just remember him for the fights that he gave to us in the last 15-20 years.

I will not agree that it was Manny Pacquiao worst fight. I don't think so. However there are some interesting stories being developed recently.
Have you came across this news where Pacquiao to consult with eye specialist.
I mean why would he need to go for an eye specialist although he did had a hit over his left eye and that were stitched too afterwards. Media creating drama ?
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August 23, 2021, 05:58:36 AM
WTF? What actually happened? How did Yordenis Ugás won the fight? This is like the worst thing that can ever happen to Manny Pacquiao. If he had lost to Spence, then it was still OK. But a loss to Ugas? It is really difficult to digest the outcome of this match. I understand that Manny, at 42 years was well past his prime. But we have seen other boxers like Mayweather giving very good performances even in their 40s. Anyway, I am glad about one thing. This time the jury didn't made any mistake. Their scorecard (115-113, 116-112, 116-112) matched with those from third parties like CBS Sports.  

You shouldn't be dramatizing, it was a good fight with a decent ending, without a knockout and total superiority of one boxer. This is clearly not the worst thing that could happen to Pacquiao, now he may well end his career on a high note and everyone will remember him as a great boxer who performed with dignity in every match.
We have seen worst of Pacquiao, getting knock out by Marquez, a decision lost to Bradley, (which is the worst for me), and then the Horn robbery. Yes, I know that it is hard to digest the Ugas lost as Manny is the favorite, but that is sports, so it's really an upset but we have to take it and accept.

Just sad that this will be his last fight, however, let's just remember him for the fights that he gave to us in the last 15-20 years.
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August 23, 2021, 05:42:17 AM
WTF? What actually happened? How did Yordenis Ugás won the fight? This is like the worst thing that can ever happen to Manny Pacquiao. If he had lost to Spence, then it was still OK. But a loss to Ugas? It is really difficult to digest the outcome of this match. I understand that Manny, at 42 years was well past his prime. But we have seen other boxers like Mayweather giving very good performances even in their 40s. Anyway, I am glad about one thing. This time the jury didn't made any mistake. Their scorecard (115-113, 116-112, 116-112) matched with those from third parties like CBS Sports. 
Yes, Ugas wins, it's not the worst, it's like his eight loss so nothing to worry plus he is already a legend, the fight was a good, everyone did a good performance and they both delivered a good show for the people to see. Remember that Ugas is a champion too so there's some caliber behind to back it up. Don't ever compare Pacquiao to Mayweather, did you see the faces of the opponents that Pacquiao has fought? They're all bloodied up compared to Mayweather, they're a different league. And I don't think Mayweather will be able to go toe to toe with Pacquiao.
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August 23, 2021, 05:28:32 AM
WTF? What actually happened? How did Yordenis Ugás won the fight? This is like the worst thing that can ever happen to Manny Pacquiao. If he had lost to Spence, then it was still OK. But a loss to Ugas? It is really difficult to digest the outcome of this match. I understand that Manny, at 42 years was well past his prime. But we have seen other boxers like Mayweather giving very good performances even in their 40s. Anyway, I am glad about one thing. This time the jury didn't made any mistake. Their scorecard (115-113, 116-112, 116-112) matched with those from third parties like CBS Sports. 

You shouldn't be dramatizing, it was a good fight with a decent ending, without a knockout and total superiority of one boxer. This is clearly not the worst thing that could happen to Pacquiao, now he may well end his career on a high note and everyone will remember him as a great boxer who performed with dignity in every match.
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August 23, 2021, 03:08:56 AM

Prior to the fight, everyone is not talking about age. And now, it's been the reason why Pacquiao loses.

Guys, it's not the age. Pacquaio is still fast and quick. The problem is and I pointed it before, he is occupied with lots of serious things on his mind. He is not 100% ready physically and mentally before the fight. Before the hard training, he left some serious tasks on PH like his alleged scam expose' which is a big controversy and he should prepare all legal evidence to support his claims, those lawsuits, and his political bid in the election next year. That was a serious matter and even Manny has some staff to take care of that, he is hands-on to that. On the other hand, Ugas or Spence, just focus only on boxing without worrying about other matters. And the time they enter the ring, they are physically fit and 100%  ready to explore.

Time now for Manny to hang his gloves. He might say before that he can do multi-tasking but I hope he now learned that shouldn't be a thing to do.

Maybe he should do what retired boxers such as Floyd Mayweather does. He can participate in some exhibition fights (maybe against Logan Paul or some other celebrity). These matches don't require too much of an effort and they pay almost as the same scale as the professional matches. I am not sure whether Manny would prefer another match against a professional boxer. He needs to admit that his body is not the same as it was 5-6 years back. The sooner he admits it, the more he will be at peace.
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August 23, 2021, 01:43:13 AM

Prior to the fight, everyone is not talking about age. And now, it's been the reason why Pacquiao loses.

Guys, it's not the age. Pacquaio is still fast and quick. The problem is and I pointed it before, he is occupied with lots of serious things on his mind. He is not 100% ready physically and mentally before the fight. Before the hard training, he left some serious tasks on PH like his alleged scam expose' which is a big controversy and he should prepare all legal evidence to support his claims, those lawsuits, and his political bid in the election next year. That was a serious matter and even Manny has some staff to take care of that, he is hands-on to that. On the other hand, Ugas or Spence, just focus only on boxing without worrying about other matters. And the time they enter the ring, they are physically fit and 100%  ready to explore.

Time now for Manny to hang his gloves. He might say before that he can do multi-tasking but I hope he now learned that shouldn't be a thing to do.
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August 22, 2021, 11:05:20 PM
It's not too depressing even though Pacman lost his fight against Ugas.  Many know what kind of boxer he is, the people are proud of him for the courage and pride he gave to the country, he is the national fist.  A friend of mine who I talked to also said that Manny is no longer diligent in his fight with Ugas, he no longer has the footwork in the fight and you can really see it before in his fights when he was still in his prime.
Yes his performance is not the same the way it was before, its obvious that aging is inevitable and even he is fit and has a confidence to win there's a lacking factor why he failed in this fight. He apologized for losing but I dont think its necessary, he gave pride and honor for his country and the reason why it became popular in the world as the home of the boxing champ.

Pacquiao is still uncertain on what lies ahead on his boxing career since he has plan to run for a higher position but I hope he will retire with contentment for what he already achieve.
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August 22, 2021, 10:31:22 PM
He just took the cash on this match for the funding of his possible campaign for the highest position in the government with the upcoming election.

I don't know about that rumor but it's more likely that he did it for his additional budget needed as he's about to file his candidacy.

If he was aiming for the presidential election, then this was definitely not a good strategy. A defeat against an average fighter like Yordenis Ugas does no good to his campaign. Who will vote for a candidate, who just lost a boxing match against a pretty much unknown opponent? I have always said this. Rather than focusing on the 2022 presidential elections, he should be targeting the next one (in 2028). This time it is almost certain that Sara Duterte will be elected, as she's leading the opinion polls by a good margin.
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August 22, 2021, 09:06:19 PM
If I just add my .10 worth of sat on Manny's performance and what could be the reason that he losses to an underdog here:

1. old age/Father Time - inevitable, every athlete needs to retire

2. ring rust - out for two years

3. not enough time to prepare for a replacement fighter - no game plan for Ugas, just go there and do your best

4. overtrain - he took extra rounds because he is anticipating a fight with Spence

5. Ugas at the prime of his career


This is not an excuse. Just finding out the possible reason.

Yes, I do agree with the reasons here. As much as we love to see Manny fights in his late 40's, I guess father time has caught up with him. Regarding ring rust, he said that he is hungry after not fighting in 2 years, but that's a long layoff and eventhough he is very active outside of boxing, I think it is very different.

In any case, we have witness one of the greatest boxer of our generations, just sad that he has to go out like in a losing form. Next up for Manny is his political career.

Call it an excuse because Manny said in an interview last night was that he can't move his legs. But Manny in his 40s still fights the boxer in his prime is already a plus for Ugas.  When De la Hoya fight with Pacquiao, he knew he didn't think of losing but it's just Pacquiao is his prime that when De la Hoya sees a punch coming he also couldn't avoid them and that's because the agility declines due to old age.

For Pacquiao's political career, he knew this fight could help him having a hero's welcome but now that it won't happen he might not push for the presidency. It was a mistake from the start to listen to the opposition who has no capability to win against the party of a populist president Duterte.
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August 22, 2021, 09:02:53 PM
It would really be much more better if he had some good records or impressions on the time
he do make out some retirement and wont really be ending up just like an ordinary boxer on where people do have that  feeling that he had just retired as a loser and not a great boxer.
Well, Pacquiao's boxing career is a whole different level compare to others, he set lots of world records in his prime that no one can achieve asides him, even at age the of 40 can still KO an opponent years younger than him, and sets as the oldest welterweight fighter/champion on boxing, funny but he sets that record as well.^^

It's just that age affects his movements, and having leg cramps while fighting is too painful, and that should be a sign for him to resign for good.
With all of those i think Manny can finally step out the game, he had already proven himself for so many years , he even tell all Boxers what he can and what they cant so with all of those i think that is more than enough reason to prove more.

just let the ring off His life and go with other things that might interest him because he must admit that Age only proves one thing always , and that is no one can stay young and fit like what they can do in the past.
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August 22, 2021, 08:31:09 PM
If I just add my .10 worth of sat on Manny's performance and what could be the reason that he losses to an underdog here:

1. old age/Father Time - inevitable, every athlete needs to retire

2. ring rust - out for two years

3. not enough time to prepare for a replacement fighter - no game plan for Ugas, just go there and do your best

4. overtrain - he took extra rounds because he is anticipating a fight with Spence

5. Ugas at the prime of his career


This is not an excuse. Just finding out the possible reason.

Yes, I do agree with the reasons here. As much as we love to see Manny fights in his late 40's, I guess father time has caught up with him. Regarding ring rust, he said that he is hungry after not fighting in 2 years, but that's a long layoff and eventhough he is very active outside of boxing, I think it is very different.

In any case, we have witness one of the greatest boxer of our generations, just sad that he has to go out like in a losing form. Next up for Manny is his political career.
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August 22, 2021, 07:29:05 PM
It's not too depressing even though Pacman lost his fight against Ugas.  Many know what kind of boxer he is, the people are proud of him for the courage and pride he gave to the country, he is the national fist.  A friend of mine who I talked to also said that Manny is no longer diligent in his fight with Ugas, he no longer has the footwork in the fight and you can really see it before in his fights when he was still in his prime.
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August 22, 2021, 07:14:37 PM
I agree, his records are unique and I know why others don't see that. Despite the loss to Ugas, he will remain as the record holder for many divisions of being a champion. I doubt that someone in this new era of the remaining boxers can do such adjustment while they are at their prime. If people are thinking like that, they're only looking at the recent lose that he had but ignoring most of his achievements, this loss is incomparable to the past matches that he had for his entire career.
People already understand that one day Manny will not win anymore, his age already is a big excuse but Manny keeps pushing to inspire people that age is just a number if you'll take care of your body. Ugas advantage is, he is bigger and younger, and probably hungrier as he was the defending champion that fight. After the fight, both are still in good sport and you can see the respect of Ugas as although he celebrates, he knows he had the opportunity to fight and beat the legend that every boxer would like to have an opportunity.
Yes, Ugas is even better at respecting the legend and even he defeated Manny Pacquiao, he knows that his achievement is unbeatable and incomparable.
There are fans that really are disappointed with this just as much as how we're disappointed in this match. Well, the match is over and we have to look forward to more interesting fights at the end of this year.
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August 22, 2021, 07:00:26 PM
I don’t think he does it because he loves boxing so much. I’ve heard rumors he has quite a cocaine habit to fund and that is why he continues to fight while doing damage to his reputation every time he steps into the ring. It’s sad that people can make so much money in their lives and be so successful and then end up a slave to their lifestyle. I hope Manny gets help and sets himself up for old age before he starts boxing youtubers for cash.

I'm not sure about that rumour, gambling yes, specially cockfighting, but drugs nah I don't think so.

He is already set for life, he has a lot of businesses in his native town, owns condo units in the States and across the Philippines. He is one of the richest person here.

The problem is that Manny has a political ambitions that he needed money to fund his campaign if he does run for the Presidency.

As far as I know, he's already changed man for so many years already, his old life had gambling and cockfighting habits. But drugs? Don't think so. It is just a rumour and for me, that's not true at all. If you are familiar with the vlogs of his kids and his wife, you will never think that he will be into drugs. Considering also that he is a politician. He is actually living a simple life and not showing his riches in social media. That's why many people are thinking that he badly needs money for himself and his family, but they are not. Maybe he needs money to help other people not for himself.
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