[Boxing] Miguel Berchelt vs Oscar Valdez WBC Super-Featherweight Title - page 4.

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Pre-fight weight requirements (14 days):

Miguel Berchelt - 136 lbs
Oscar Valdez - 136.4 lbs

So the two fighters are within the limit now, and should be fine shredding the excess weight in the last 2 weeks leading to their fight.

https://www.boxingscene.com/14-day-weights-miguel-berchelt-136-pounds-oscar-valdez-1364--155312

Looking at Miguel Berchelt, looks like he is the more physically fit, after all he is the champion and definitely comfortable in this weight. Surprised though that Valdez is somewhat getting bigger and then he has to cut weight more weight in 14 days.

I understand that he is coming up in weight and that is good, but it seems he overdo it. Anyway, I'm no expert here, just sharing my own opinion.

I think Oscar Valdez is good to go, his abs is visible in the images, so when he cut down to 130 lbs, there will be no significant effect on his body, in my opinion. Of course, Miguel Berchelt will be the bigger guy because this is his natural weight.

But there are a lot of boxers going up in weight throughout boxing history that upset the champion so this is still 50:50 and it will definitely can go as one of the best fight for 2021.

Agree, the thing we hear from Oscar Valdez is that he has the best trainer behind and although he is the underdog here, it could be good for him and his team as they could really be motivated to upset Miguel Berchelt, and odds are really very attractive for us gamblers.

And as Oscar Valdez's body matures I think he will be a perfect fit for the 130 lbs division and it seems that squeezing 126 lbs will be much harder than losing the additional 6 lbs in this pre weight.

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Quote from: Kemarit on February 10, 2021, 06:49:16 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on February 10, 2021, 04:04:37 PM

Pre-fight weight requirements (14 days):

Miguel Berchelt - 136 lbs
Oscar Valdez - 136.4 lbs

So the two fighters are within the limit now, and should be fine shredding the excess weight in the last 2 weeks leading to their fight.

https://www.boxingscene.com/14-day-weights-miguel-berchelt-136-pounds-oscar-valdez-1364--155312

Looking at Miguel Berchelt, looks like he is the more physically fit, after all he is the champion and definitely comfortable in this weight. Surprised though that Valdez is somewhat getting bigger and then he has to cut weight more weight in 14 days.

I understand that he is coming up in weight and that is good, but it seems he overdo it. Anyway, I'm no expert here, just sharing my own opinion.

I think Oscar Valdez is good to go, his abs is visible in the images, so when he cut down to 130 lbs, there will be no significant effect on his body, in my opinion. Of course, Miguel Berchelt will be the bigger guy because this is his natural weight.

But there are a lot of boxers going up in weight throughout boxing history that upset the champion so this is still 50:50 and it will definitely can go as one of the best fight for 2021.

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One thing that Oscar Valdez has is his coach, Eddie Reynoso, the man behind the success of Canelo Alvarez and Ryan Garcia, the trainer of the year. So Valdez is very confident that he can upset the champion because he has the best trainer in boxing right now. Maybe Reynoso has found some loophole on Berchelt (although this guy has no defense) that they can exploit. Good game plan + training hard = success. So let's see what surprise Valdez will do in the ring against a durable Berchelt.

This statement is backed by Top Rank honcho himself, Bob Arum.

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Bob Arum: Eddy Reynoso Sees Something In Berchelt That Valdez Can Exploit

Being the architect of this fight, he would do everything on his power to hype this fight and in fairness to him, boxing fans who love to see a brawl, this might be it.

But wonder though, why does they avoid Shakur Stevenson as that might be an easier fight than this one.

Probably for a bigger pay day, later on if the play fall into pieces, they will go after Shakur Stevenson as well. At least they have taken down the biggest hurdle and then Shakur will just be the icing in the cake for them as they will have majority of the belts by that time.

As far as Reynoso goes, there could be argument that he is just overhype, the argument goes that it is still the boxer who performed inside the ring. Just like when Roach because the trainer of the year because of Pacquaio an several other good boxers in his stable.

I may agree with this but i would sat that trainer plays a big role on a fight as he is the one studying the strength and weakness of the opponent and the boxer's job is just to focus on training.

Manny Pacquaio is a one-handed fighter when he came to the Wild Card gym and coach Roach introduce to him the Manila Ice Grin

, which victimized Ricky Hatton lol.

Bottom line, trainers are a big help to the career of the boxers, takes two to tango as they say.

Yes mate, I agree with that, but we all know that there are haters around, discounting trainers or boxing coach. Roach introduce him the right now, that put Hatton and many others, even Miguel Cotto because they always underestimate and think that Manny has only the left hand.

So let's see how he will develop Oscar Valdez because he is on a tough opposition against a bigger and stronger Miguel Berchelt.

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This fight has a deep history. It goes beyond their career as a pro boxer to an amateur one. You guys should watch this documentary. I think I'm rooting for Valdez as he trains with Canelo's trainer and was superior in amateur boxing. The big downside is Valdez's jaw since he broke his jaw vs Scott Quigg.

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Quote from: Baofeng on February 10, 2021, 04:04:37 PM

Pre-fight weight requirements (14 days):

Miguel Berchelt - 136 lbs
Oscar Valdez - 136.4 lbs

So the two fighters are within the limit now, and should be fine shredding the excess weight in the last 2 weeks leading to their fight.

https://www.boxingscene.com/14-day-weights-miguel-berchelt-136-pounds-oscar-valdez-1364--155312

Looking at Miguel Berchelt, looks like he is the more physically fit, after all he is the champion and definitely comfortable in this weight. Surprised though that Valdez is somewhat getting bigger and then he has to cut weight more weight in 14 days.

I understand that he is coming up in weight and that is good, but it seems he overdo it. Anyway, I'm no expert here, just sharing my own opinion.

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Quote from: Baofeng on February 08, 2021, 04:59:15 PM

Quote from: bisdak40 on February 08, 2021, 07:32:22 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on February 07, 2021, 04:43:34 PM

One thing that Oscar Valdez has is his coach, Eddie Reynoso, the man behind the success of Canelo Alvarez and Ryan Garcia, the trainer of the year. So Valdez is very confident that he can upset the champion because he has the best trainer in boxing right now. Maybe Reynoso has found some loophole on Berchelt (although this guy has no defense) that they can exploit. Good game plan + training hard = success. So let's see what surprise Valdez will do in the ring against a durable Berchelt.

This statement is backed by Top Rank honcho himself, Bob Arum.

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Bob Arum: Eddy Reynoso Sees Something In Berchelt That Valdez Can Exploit

Being the architect of this fight, he would do everything on his power to hype this fight and in fairness to him, boxing fans who love to see a brawl, this might be it.

But wonder though, why does they avoid Shakur Stevenson as that might be an easier fight than this one.

Probably for a bigger pay day, later on if the play fall into pieces, they will go after Shakur Stevenson as well. At least they have taken down the biggest hurdle and then Shakur will just be the icing in the cake for them as they will have majority of the belts by that time.

As far as Reynoso goes, there could be argument that he is just overhype, the argument goes that it is still the boxer who performed inside the ring. Just like when Roach because the trainer of the year because of Pacquaio an several other good boxers in his stable.

I may agree with this but i would sat that trainer plays a big role on a fight as he is the one studying the strength and weakness of the opponent and the boxer's job is just to focus on training.

Manny Pacquaio is a one-handed fighter when he came to the Wild Card gym and coach Roach introduce to him the Manila Ice Grin

, which victimized Ricky Hatton lol.

Bottom line, trainers are a big help to the career of the boxers, takes two to tango as they say.

Definitely I agree with you on that, Manny was more on a slugger in a fight, but he slowly learn his way to fight with good defense and develop himself into a complete fighter. Some boxers only change trainer when they are already familiar with what to do in the fight, probably to lessened the experience but Manny did not do that to roach although he is not the lead coach now but he is still in the corner for Manny.

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Quote from: Baofeng on February 08, 2021, 04:59:15 PM

Quote from: bisdak40 on February 08, 2021, 07:32:22 AM

Quote from: Baofeng on February 07, 2021, 04:43:34 PM

One thing that Oscar Valdez has is his coach, Eddie Reynoso, the man behind the success of Canelo Alvarez and Ryan Garcia, the trainer of the year. So Valdez is very confident that he can upset the champion because he has the best trainer in boxing right now. Maybe Reynoso has found some loophole on Berchelt (although this guy has no defense) that they can exploit. Good game plan + training hard = success. So let's see what surprise Valdez will do in the ring against a durable Berchelt.

This statement is backed by Top Rank honcho himself, Bob Arum.

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Bob Arum: Eddy Reynoso Sees Something In Berchelt That Valdez Can Exploit

Being the architect of this fight, he would do everything on his power to hype this fight and in fairness to him, boxing fans who love to see a brawl, this might be it.

But wonder though, why does they avoid Shakur Stevenson as that might be an easier fight than this one.

Probably for a bigger pay day, later on if the play fall into pieces, they will go after Shakur Stevenson as well. At least they have taken down the biggest hurdle and then Shakur will just be the icing in the cake for them as they will have majority of the belts by that time.

As far as Reynoso goes, there could be argument that he is just overhype, the argument goes that it is still the boxer who performed inside the ring. Just like when Roach because the trainer of the year because of Pacquaio an several other good boxers in his stable.

I may agree with this but i would sat that trainer plays a big role on a fight as he is the one studying the strength and weakness of the opponent and the boxer's job is just to focus on training.

Manny Pacquaio is a one-handed fighter when he came to the Wild Card gym and coach Roach introduce to him the Manila Ice Grin

, which victimized Ricky Hatton lol.

Bottom line, trainers are a big help to the career of the boxers, takes two to tango as they say.

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This could be the best fight this 2021 in professional boxing I think its schedule is Feb 20. Oscar Valdez always gives it a good fight in boxing right these two Mexican boxers both have a good record as well. But I think it's gonna be a knockout on the side of Miguel Berchelt I think with a good counterpunch he could easily finish Valdez based on the past performance. His combination of punches and boxing style is I think a much stronger technique compared to Valdez. But at least Valdez is finally going to fight someone that is good and it's gonna be an interesting fight for sure.

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Pre-fight weight requirements (14 days):

Miguel Berchelt - 136 lbs
Oscar Valdez - 136.4 lbs

So the two fighters are within the limit now, and should be fine shredding the excess weight in the last 2 weeks leading to their fight.

https://www.boxingscene.com/14-day-weights-miguel-berchelt-136-pounds-oscar-valdez-1364--155312

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Quote from: AakZaki on February 01, 2021, 01:24:12 PM

They both have good winning records. Both are the same from Mexico, only different areas of birth. For the match I thought it would be fun. They are both strong. But I wanted Barchelt to win. Because Valdez just gave up his title and moved up to WBC super featherweight. Besides that Barchelt has more competitive experience it will benefit him. I heard that he will also move up to the light class at 61.2 kg if there is an attractive offer. Looks like Barchlet wants to bring good results to enter the light class.

This is like watching the Morales vs Barrera fight where both of them from the same country as well and have something to get excited for when they face each other in the ring. I think if this fight comes close or they won't knock out each other after the end of the fight, we will see them fight again. They should trash talk each other before the fight more likely in the interview so this fight will be exciting to watch. They haven't had some popularity in the other country, they really need that to increase the market if they ever want to fight again in the ring.

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Well, I didn't know this fight either, I did a brief survey of both fighters and I realized that it will be an interesting fight.
In my opinion I think Oscar Valdez has a good chance of win, because he is undefeated.
But in sports, anything can happen!

Not all undefeated are good, just like Callum Smith, he fought Canelo Alvarez when he was undefeated and yet he lose in a unanimous decision, mind you, Canelo has 1 loss in his career but he has been fighting a quality opponents in his career that's why Canelo was the favorite to win, same here, Miguel Berchelt is the favorite to win.

Yes @Viscore, you are right, this is not a determining factor, but, in most cases when a fighter is undefeated, he is usually in the rhythm and is in shape, he is accustomed
I'm not a boxing expert, I'm just a gambler (lol), but as I said above, in sports anything can happen.
(that is my humble opinion.)

Anything can happen in boxing, just like Lopez upsetting Lomachenko and Ruiz upsetting Anthony Joshua.

Both of these fighters are though not all of them are undefeated, it was only Lopez who is undefeated but we thought he has "no match" against No-Mas-Chencko but he won, so you are right mate, anything can happen, good thing they are underdog it's more attractive in betting.

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Quote from: Viscore on February 08, 2021, 05:24:50 PM

Quote from: gagux123 on February 08, 2021, 05:13:38 PM

Well, I didn't know this fight either, I did a brief survey of both fighters and I realized that it will be an interesting fight.
In my opinion I think Oscar Valdez has a good chance of win, because he is undefeated.
But in sports, anything can happen!

Not all undefeated are good, just like Callum Smith, he fought Canelo Alvarez when he was undefeated and yet he lose in a unanimous decision, mind you, Canelo has 1 loss in his career but he has been fighting a quality opponents in his career that's why Canelo was the favorite to win, same here, Miguel Berchelt is the favorite to win.

Yes @Viscore, you are right, this is not a determining factor, but, in most cases when a fighter is undefeated, he is usually in the rhythm and is in shape, he is accustomed
I'm not a boxing expert, I'm just a gambler (lol), but as I said above, in sports anything can happen.
(that is my humble opinion.)

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Quote from: gagux123 on February 08, 2021, 05:13:38 PM

Well, I didn't know this fight either, I did a brief survey of both fighters and I realized that it will be an interesting fight.
In my opinion I think Oscar Valdez has a good chance of win, because he is undefeated.
But in sports, anything can happen!

Not all undefeated are good, just like Callum Smith, he fought Canelo Alvarez when he was undefeated and yet he lose in a unanimous decision, mind you, Canelo has 1 loss in his career but he has been fighting a quality opponents in his career that's why Canelo was the favorite to win, same here, Miguel Berchelt is the favorite to win.

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Well, I didn't know this fight either, I did a brief survey of both fighters and I realized that it will be an interesting fight.
In my opinion I think Oscar Valdez has a good chance of win, because he is undefeated.
But in sports, anything can happen!

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Quote from: Baofeng on February 07, 2021, 04:43:34 PM

One thing that Oscar Valdez has is his coach, Eddie Reynoso, the man behind the success of Canelo Alvarez and Ryan Garcia, the trainer of the year. So Valdez is very confident that he can upset the champion because he has the best trainer in boxing right now. Maybe Reynoso has found some loophole on Berchelt (although this guy has no defense) that they can exploit. Good game plan + training hard = success. So let's see what surprise Valdez will do in the ring against a durable Berchelt.

This statement is backed by Top Rank honcho himself, Bob Arum.

Quote

Bob Arum: Eddy Reynoso Sees Something In Berchelt That Valdez Can Exploit

Being the architect of this fight, he would do everything on his power to hype this fight and in fairness to him, boxing fans who love to see a brawl, this might be it.

But wonder though, why does they avoid Shakur Stevenson as that might be an easier fight than this one.

Probably for a bigger pay day, later on if the play fall into pieces, they will go after Shakur Stevenson as well. At least they have taken down the biggest hurdle and then Shakur will just be the icing in the cake for them as they will have majority of the belts by that time.

As far as Reynoso goes, there could be argument that he is just overhype, the argument goes that it is still the boxer who performed inside the ring. Just like when Roach because the trainer of the year because of Pacquaio an several other good boxers in his stable.

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Quote from: Baofeng on February 07, 2021, 04:43:34 PM

One thing that Oscar Valdez has is his coach, Eddie Reynoso, the man behind the success of Canelo Alvarez and Ryan Garcia, the trainer of the year. So Valdez is very confident that he can upset the champion because he has the best trainer in boxing right now. Maybe Reynoso has found some loophole on Berchelt (although this guy has no defense) that they can exploit. Good game plan + training hard = success. So let's see what surprise Valdez will do in the ring against a durable Berchelt.

This statement is backed by Top Rank honcho himself, Bob Arum.

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Bob Arum: Eddy Reynoso Sees Something In Berchelt That Valdez Can Exploit

Being the architect of this fight, he would do everything on his power to hype this fight and in fairness to him, boxing fans who love to see a brawl, this might be it.

But wonder though, why does they avoid Shakur Stevenson as that might be an easier fight than this one.

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Upset is always present inside boxing or any sports events. Even there are reviews that provides good information in regard with advantages but chances is always for both sides.

You can use those previous fights as basis for reviewing which fighter have a good shapes and have a good killing instinct, in which if giving an opportunities to knock the opponent down it will grab that chance immidiately.

I'll be going to check this out during the live fight, before placing bet.

In terms of an upset, this one has a higher chance in my opinion, Valdez have an undefeated record for a reason and I think it is worth banking on that possibility. Yeah, I know their stats so I know which one should I bet on.

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Quote from: Lorence.xD on February 07, 2021, 10:13:18 PM

They are both orthodox but Berchelt has the reach and height advantage, in terms of experience they both are not that far away from each other with Berchelt having 36 wins under his belt and Valdez having a good undefeated record, in power advantage Berchelt definitely has the power advantage on this one and the age is also a factor too, with Berchelt younger than Valdez by 1 year, and experience wise, Berchelt does have one too. The odds are lower on Berchelt which means that the chances that he win will be higher but an upset can be expected.

Upset is always present inside boxing or any sports events. Even there are reviews that provides good information in regard with advantages but chances is always for both sides.

You can use those previous fights as basis for reviewing which fighter have a good shapes and have a good killing instinct, in which if giving an opportunities to knock the opponent down it will grab that chance immidiately.

I'll be going to check this out during the live fight, before placing bet.

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They are both orthodox but Berchelt has the reach and height advantage, in terms of experience they both are not that far away from each other with Berchelt having 36 wins under his belt and Valdez having a good undefeated record, in power advantage Berchelt definitely has the power advantage on this one and the age is also a factor too, with Berchelt younger than Valdez by 1 year, and experience wise, Berchelt does have one too. The odds are lower on Berchelt which means that the chances that he win will be higher but an upset can be expected.

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This fight is going to be an all out war for however long it lasts. Berchelt has lost by knockout before but it was a long time ago. Valdez does not really have much defense and his chin is kind of questionable. I favor Berchelt because he is a better rounded fighter and has a high knockout percentage.

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