[Boxing]: Naoya Inoue vs Michael Dasmarinas (No date yet) - page 11.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on January 25, 2021, 07:45:00 PM

Looking through Dasmarinas record there isn't any recognizable names. It's been almost two years since he fought someone with a winning record. That fight was an IBF eliminator against an opponent he should have beat easily but the scorecards suggest that it was a close fight.

I do not see a way in which a top pound for pound fighter like Inoue is going to be upset against this type of opponent. With covid restrictions starting to ease up in some places there is still hope that we will see an Inoue-Casimero unification by the end of the year.

TBH, i also not recognized this boxer until his name floated to be the mandatory challenger of Inoue.

Though he is fighting nobodies and given this once in a lifetime opportunity, Dasmarinas will definitely give his all as if there is no tomorrow.

The probability of Dasmarinas winning this fight is very very slim and betting odds would insanely favor Inoue but we have to remember that Dasmarinas is a Filipino and in this scenario where there is nothing to lose for the Filipino pug, they might surprise every one.

Inoue-Casimero will happen for sure if Michael won't ruin the party.

This man might be a nobody but basing off on overall fights that this man had done pretty well.He might not just able to face up those popular fighters which really make out some noise or shall we say
that boost up popularity.

If he do able to beat up Inoue then that would really be a big leap into his boxing career.I wont say that this will mess up Inoue-Casimero fight if Dasmarinas will able to
snatch a win then next possible thing to happen is unknown.

Making conclusions when the fight isn't done yet but this is only for those underdogs that does really have the chance.

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I could say Naoya Inoue will be the favorite here and Michael Dasmarinas a nobody, an underdog, I am a Filipino but I have recently known Michael Dasmarinas if he doesn't pop up a challenger for Inoue I would not know him that is why it is obvious that Inoue would favor the odds for popularity, an undefeated fighter, and an underrated boxer would be fighting.

But Dasmarinas had gone a long way in coming in this fight and the most notable fighter that he devastated was Karim Guerfi from France and a draw fight against Manyo Plange from Ghana a two boxer that Dasmarinas had fought with and pretty much he fought amazingly I guess Michael Dasmarinas can have a chance against Inoue, but it is too early to decide yet.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on January 25, 2021, 07:45:00 PM

Looking through Dasmarinas record there isn't any recognizable names. It's been almost two years since he fought someone with a winning record. That fight was an IBF eliminator against an opponent he should have beat easily but the scorecards suggest that it was a close fight.

I do not see a way in which a top pound for pound fighter like Inoue is going to be upset against this type of opponent. With covid restrictions starting to ease up in some places there is still hope that we will see an Inoue-Casimero unification by the end of the year.

TBH, i also not recognized this boxer until his name floated to be the mandatory challenger of Inoue.

Though he is fighting nobodies and given this once in a lifetime opportunity, Dasmarinas will definitely give his all as if there is no tomorrow.

The probability of Dasmarinas winning this fight is very very slim and betting odds would insanely favor Inoue but we have to remember that Dasmarinas is a Filipino and in this scenario where there is nothing to lose for the Filipino pug, they might surprise every one.

Inoue-Casimero will happen for sure if Michael won't ruin the party.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on January 25, 2021, 07:45:00 PM

Looking through Dasmarinas record there isn't any recognizable names. It's been almost two years since he fought someone with a winning record. That fight was an IBF eliminator against an opponent he should have beat easily but the scorecards suggest that it was a close fight.

I do not see a way in which a top pound for pound fighter like Inoue is going to be upset against this type of opponent. With covid restrictions starting to ease up in some places there is still hope that we will see an Inoue-Casimero unification by the end of the year.

Hopefully, Dasmariñas will put up a fight against Inoue, as a Filipino I support Filipino boxers but in a practical standpoint we have to consider that Inoue is a champion and an undefeated one at that. If I were to go on a bet with some locals in my country in this fight, I will definitely be siding with Inoue. We have to also consider that most Filipino boxers are aggressive when it comes to being in the ring which could be a blessing and a curse depending on how the fighter will try to take advantage of it.

In this case, he doesn't need to be aggressive in the beginning otherwise he will eat left hook from Inoue. He should used his judge first and try to gauge the distance. Specially he loves to throw body shots, so a slow and steady attack. Definitely, the odds for Dasmariñas will be very attractive, and that is what we are looking for here. Waiting for the date and what odds the punters will give us for Dasmariñas.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on January 25, 2021, 07:45:00 PM

Looking through Dasmarinas record there isn't any recognizable names. It's been almost two years since he fought someone with a winning record. That fight was an IBF eliminator against an opponent he should have beat easily but the scorecards suggest that it was a close fight.

I do not see a way in which a top pound for pound fighter like Inoue is going to be upset against this type of opponent. With covid restrictions starting to ease up in some places there is still hope that we will see an Inoue-Casimero unification by the end of the year.

Hopefully, Dasmariñas will put up a fight against Inoue, as a Filipino I support Filipino boxers but in a practical standpoint we have to consider that Inoue is a champion and an undefeated one at that. If I were to go on a bet with some locals in my country in this fight, I will definitely be siding with Inoue. We have to also consider that most Filipino boxers are aggressive when it comes to being in the ring which could be a blessing and a curse depending on how the fighter will try to take advantage of it.

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Looking through Dasmarinas record there isn't any recognizable names. It's been almost two years since he fought someone with a winning record. That fight was an IBF eliminator against an opponent he should have beat easily but the scorecards suggest that it was a close fight.

I do not see a way in which a top pound for pound fighter like Inoue is going to be upset against this type of opponent. With covid restrictions starting to ease up in some places there is still hope that we will see an Inoue-Casimero unification by the end of the year.

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Quote from: Botnake on January 25, 2021, 06:20:23 PM

Quote from: chaser15 on January 25, 2021, 05:37:41 PM

I'm not seeing that way actually. Depends on the odds for Dasmarinas, maybe I might put some but it's all because he's from PH and we are not hiding the fact that Inoue maybe has an 80% chance to win this fight. I think gamblers will bet more on KO/Decision, Ended Rounds, Winner per Rounds, which are all favored to Inoue, etc. or other betting options excluding Moneyline.

On the other hand, if Dasmarinas will pull a surprise, we can also bet on him to KO Inoue in 1-3 rounds, I wonder what will be the odds for that. Surprises is always possible in boxing especially if Inoue will be aggressive and will be hit by a good counter punch from Dasmarinas, and knowing Dasmarinas also has a high KO percentage rate, that makes it possible.

Whatever the odds for Dasmarinas will be very attractive, KO or UD win, possible that it will be in the 2 digits odds.

Quote from: Botnake on January 25, 2021, 06:20:23 PM

Moneyline is not a good option in this fight, unless you are betting on Dasmarinas to win, but why not aim for KO as if this goes to end of 12 rounds, I think the advantage will be on Inoue in judges scorecard.

If Inoue will win here it will be on a knock out or referee just stop the fight because it's a total mismatch. But as I have said, Filipino pride is on the line here, so yes everything is possible, for those who are not familiar with Rolando Pascua vs Humberto Gonzalez, then unbeaten WBC lightflyweight champion. And particularly this could be the greatest upset of a Filipino.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YK1SldagERM

Look out for the fighting spirit of Rolando Pascua.

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Quote from: chaser15 on January 25, 2021, 05:37:41 PM

I'm not seeing that way actually. Depends on the odds for Dasmarinas, maybe I might put some but it's all because he's from PH and we are not hiding the fact that Inoue maybe has an 80% chance to win this fight. I think gamblers will bet more on KO/Decision, Ended Rounds, Winner per Rounds, which are all favored to Inoue, etc. or other betting options excluding Moneyline.

On the other hand, if Dasmarinas will pull a surprise, we can also bet on him to KO Inoue in 1-3 rounds, I wonder what will be the odds for that. Surprises is always possible in boxing especially if Inoue will be aggressive and will be hit by a good counter punch from Dasmarinas, and knowing Dasmarinas also has a high KO percentage rate, that makes it possible.

Moneyline is not a good option in this fight, unless you are betting on Dasmarinas to win, but why not aim for KO as if this goes to end of 12 rounds, I think the advantage will be on Inoue in judges scorecard.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on January 25, 2021, 03:49:27 PM

If indeed Dasmarinas can really get out as a winner from this fight, a lot of good things will happen to him.

Dasmarinas will instantly climb the rankings, even passing those behind Inoue if he will pull this one.

More offers to challenge for a big fight and it means big payout.

Quote from: TimeTeller on January 25, 2021, 03:49:27 PM

I am guessing a lot will bet on Dasmarinas as the odds on Inoue is really not profitable.

I'm not seeing that way actually. Depends on the odds for Dasmarinas, maybe I might put some but it's all because he's from PH and we are not hiding the fact that Inoue maybe has an 80% chance to win this fight. I think gamblers will bet more on KO/Decision, Ended Rounds, Winner per Rounds, which are all favored to Inoue, etc. or other betting options excluding Moneyline.

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Quote from: mirakal on January 25, 2021, 05:12:15 PM

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If somehow Dasmarinas possesses a granite chin like Margarito or Canelo, then absorb the punch and throw something in return that can hurt Inoue and extend the fight in full 12 rounds.

How about the body, I think he also need a strong body otherwise he would feel like what Donaire felt during his fight with Inoue. This guy is now the most popular boxer in Japan, he has the power and the speed, so it's really a tough fight for Dasmarinas here but this tough fight comes with big reward if he wins this game, enough for him to get bigger fights afterwards.

If indeed Dasmarinas can really get out as a winner from this fight, a lot of good things will happen to him.
Inoue is considered to be a superstar right now. So he is fighting a very popular boxer in their generation.
Really interesting if Dasmarinas can really challenge Inoue inside the ring.
I am guessing a lot will bet on Dasmarinas as the odds on Inoue is really not profitable.

It's not profitable if bet on the moneyline but with handicap, probably that's what people are looking into.
Inoue is a knockout artist, probably the best odds are Inoue's KO win in round 1 to round 6, we just have to choose which round we think he would KO Dasmarinas.

There's no fix schedule on when the fight will happen, so no betting odds yet.

However, there are betting odds in the past which we can use as a basis. Let's use the betting odds of Inoue vs Donaire fight.

https://www.oddsshark.com/boxing/inoue-donaire-betting-odds-and-prediction

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Naoya Inoue -600
Nonito Donaire +425

Look at that, Donaire is a great fighter and yet he is +425 underdog, therefore Dasmarinas is more than an underdog than was Donaire, probably the odds is higher, so people are right saying that the odds for Dasmarinas is very attractive.

Since this is a mandatory fight of Inoue, this will certainly happen, and according to what I read, it will happen in the first half of the year.

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Quote from: TimeTeller on January 25, 2021, 03:49:27 PM

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If somehow Dasmarinas possesses a granite chin like Margarito or Canelo, then absorb the punch and throw something in return that can hurt Inoue and extend the fight in full 12 rounds.

How about the body, I think he also need a strong body otherwise he would feel like what Donaire felt during his fight with Inoue. This guy is now the most popular boxer in Japan, he has the power and the speed, so it's really a tough fight for Dasmarinas here but this tough fight comes with big reward if he wins this game, enough for him to get bigger fights afterwards.

If indeed Dasmarinas can really get out as a winner from this fight, a lot of good things will happen to him.
Inoue is considered to be a superstar right now. So he is fighting a very popular boxer in their generation.
Really interesting if Dasmarinas can really challenge Inoue inside the ring.
I am guessing a lot will bet on Dasmarinas as the odds on Inoue is really not profitable.

It's not profitable if bet on the moneyline but with handicap, probably that's what people are looking into.
Inoue is a knockout artist, probably the best odds are Inoue's KO win in round 1 to round 6, we just have to choose which round we think he would KO Dasmarinas.

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Quote from: btc_angela on January 25, 2021, 01:35:08 AM

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Quote from: Japinat on January 24, 2021, 06:29:13 PM

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Moving back to this upcoming fight, the pride will still be there knowing that pinoy loves
to aim higher achievements, though there's no question about the winning chance
of Inoue but we never know until it happened.

Inoue is not in question here, he hasn't loss a fight yet, maybe the question is on Dasmarinas if he can keep it up knowing how powerful Inoue is.

Of the 20 fights, he won 17 of it by KO, that's a real threat, a real power, it's hard to deny that he can KO Dasmarinas if he can hit him with some solid punch, just one clean punch and the fight will be over.

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/628407

You should also consider that Dasmarinas does have 30W (20 KO) 2 losses and 1 draw which i can say that it isnt really that bad of a record. KO percentage is high
it might not be high as Inoue but i can say that he would give a good fight.He isnt that brittle just like you were thinking but somehow if we do consider
on their past bout with Donaire which is far more experienced that Inoue but still he do able to take him down but you can see that he really had a hard time
since Donaire isnt really that too easy to taken down.He had just able to land a clean liver blow which result on a down.

Dasmarinas really needs to be durable here, I mean his chin should give up once Inoue hit him. If he does or at least walk over Inoue's power, then that is his chance to win in this fight. The thing is that Inoue's power at this weight class is above normal. All that he touches really gets knock out or knock down and that chances the complexion of the game.

If somehow Dasmarinas possesses a granite chin like Margarito or Canelo, then absorb the punch and throw something in return that can hurt Inoue and extend the fight in full 12 rounds.

We wont know until seeing it on live but we can actually observe that one in Dasmarinas previous fights if he's really having that tough chin - i havent checked it though.

When it comes to odds then it isnt really surprising that Inoue would be the favorite and as said it isnt really worth to bet on him and instead i do bet on the other side which i do really see that he had some chance.

Sustaining those heavy blows and would have some good counter punches which would really give a good fight.Extending until full 12 rounds? If he's tough just like on other Filipino boxers then he would
able to withstand it.

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Quote from: mirakal on January 25, 2021, 02:53:36 AM

Quote from: btc_angela on January 25, 2021, 01:35:08 AM

If somehow Dasmarinas possesses a granite chin like Margarito or Canelo, then absorb the punch and throw something in return that can hurt Inoue and extend the fight in full 12 rounds.

How about the body, I think he also need a strong body otherwise he would feel like what Donaire felt during his fight with Inoue. This guy is now the most popular boxer in Japan, he has the power and the speed, so it's really a tough fight for Dasmarinas here but this tough fight comes with big reward if he wins this game, enough for him to get bigger fights afterwards.

If indeed Dasmarinas can really get out as a winner from this fight, a lot of good things will happen to him.
Inoue is considered to be a superstar right now. So he is fighting a very popular boxer in their generation.
Really interesting if Dasmarinas can really challenge Inoue inside the ring.
I am guessing a lot will bet on Dasmarinas as the odds on Inoue is really not profitable.

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Quote from: btc_angela on January 25, 2021, 01:35:08 AM

If somehow Dasmarinas possesses a granite chin like Margarito or Canelo, then absorb the punch and throw something in return that can hurt Inoue and extend the fight in full 12 rounds.

How about the body, I think he also need a strong body otherwise he would feel like what Donaire felt during his fight with Inoue. This guy is now the most popular boxer in Japan, he has the power and the speed, so it's really a tough fight for Dasmarinas here but this tough fight comes with big reward if he wins this game, enough for him to get bigger fights afterwards.

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Quote from: dunfida on January 24, 2021, 06:39:58 PM

Quote from: Japinat on January 24, 2021, 06:29:13 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on January 24, 2021, 12:08:24 PM

Moving back to this upcoming fight, the pride will still be there knowing that pinoy loves
to aim higher achievements, though there's no question about the winning chance
of Inoue but we never know until it happened.

Inoue is not in question here, he hasn't loss a fight yet, maybe the question is on Dasmarinas if he can keep it up knowing how powerful Inoue is.

Of the 20 fights, he won 17 of it by KO, that's a real threat, a real power, it's hard to deny that he can KO Dasmarinas if he can hit him with some solid punch, just one clean punch and the fight will be over.

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/628407

You should also consider that Dasmarinas does have 30W (20 KO) 2 losses and 1 draw which i can say that it isnt really that bad of a record. KO percentage is high
it might not be high as Inoue but i can say that he would give a good fight.He isnt that brittle just like you were thinking but somehow if we do consider
on their past bout with Donaire which is far more experienced that Inoue but still he do able to take him down but you can see that he really had a hard time
since Donaire isnt really that too easy to taken down.He had just able to land a clean liver blow which result on a down.

Dasmarinas really needs to be durable here, I mean his chin should give up once Inoue hit him. If he does or at least walk over Inoue's power, then that is his chance to win in this fight. The thing is that Inoue's power at this weight class is above normal. All that he touches really gets knock out or knock down and that chances the complexion of the game.

If somehow Dasmarinas possesses a granite chin like Margarito or Canelo, then absorb the punch and throw something in return that can hurt Inoue and extend the fight in full 12 rounds.

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Quote from: dunfida on January 24, 2021, 06:39:58 PM

Quote from: Japinat on January 24, 2021, 06:29:13 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on January 24, 2021, 12:08:24 PM

Moving back to this upcoming fight, the pride will still be there knowing that pinoy loves
to aim higher achievements, though there's no question about the winning chance
of Inoue but we never know until it happened.

Inoue is not in question here, he hasn't loss a fight yet, maybe the question is on Dasmarinas if he can keep it up knowing how powerful Inoue is.

Of the 20 fights, he won 17 of it by KO, that's a real threat, a real power, it's hard to deny that he can KO Dasmarinas if he can hit him with some solid punch, just one clean punch and the fight will be over.

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/628407

You should also consider that Dasmarinas does have 30W (20 KO) 2 losses and 1 draw which i can say that it isnt really that bad of a record. KO percentage is high
it might not be high as Inoue but i can say that he would give a good fight.He isnt that brittle just like you were thinking but somehow if we do consider
on their past bout with Donaire which is far more experienced that Inoue but still he do able to take him down but you can see that he really had a hard time
since Donaire isnt really that too easy to taken down.He had just able to land a clean liver blow which result on a down.

I don't want to have a big expectation that Dasmarinas will win but of course I will not bet on Inoue to win since the odds are pretty small. I'm gambling on the odds of Dasmarinas here not his real chance of winning. We never know what will happen but Filipinos are really great fighter, they will not easily fold even against the brightest star in boxing.

So good luck to us, I'm just trying to state my honest opinion here.

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Quote from: Japinat on January 24, 2021, 06:29:13 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on January 24, 2021, 12:08:24 PM

Moving back to this upcoming fight, the pride will still be there knowing that pinoy loves
to aim higher achievements, though there's no question about the winning chance
of Inoue but we never know until it happened.

Inoue is not in question here, he hasn't loss a fight yet, maybe the question is on Dasmarinas if he can keep it up knowing how powerful Inoue is.

Of the 20 fights, he won 17 of it by KO, that's a real threat, a real power, it's hard to deny that he can KO Dasmarinas if he can hit him with some solid punch, just one clean punch and the fight will be over.

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/628407

You should also consider that Dasmarinas does have 30W (20 KO) 2 losses and 1 draw which i can say that it isnt really that bad of a record. KO percentage is high
it might not be high as Inoue but i can say that he would give a good fight.He isnt that brittle just like you were thinking but somehow if we do consider
on their past bout with Donaire which is far more experienced that Inoue but still he do able to take him down but you can see that he really had a hard time
since Donaire isnt really that too easy to taken down.He had just able to land a clean liver blow which result on a down.

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Quote from: Fredomago on January 24, 2021, 12:08:24 PM

No offense but if that fight happened way back, Donaire is no longer in his prime and considering that he didn't have any fight long before they've set him up fighting Inoue.

What are you saying mate that Donaire doesn't have any fight before Inoue?

Donaire and Inoue met up on the ring because they reached the finals of the WBSS event. They successfully defeated their respective opponent and ended up meeting in the finals.

But agree Donaire isn't in his prime when he joined the event. But even with that, he reached the Finals and sent the much dominant and 10 years younger Inoue to hospital after the fight, the first time to happen in this Japanese boxer's career.

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Quote from: Fredomago on January 24, 2021, 12:08:24 PM

Moving back to this upcoming fight, the pride will still be there knowing that pinoy loves
to aim higher achievements, though there's no question about the winning chance
of Inoue but we never know until it happened.

Inoue is not in question here, he hasn't loss a fight yet, maybe the question is on Dasmarinas if he can keep it up knowing how powerful Inoue is.

Of the 20 fights, he won 17 of it by KO, that's a real threat, a real power, it's hard to deny that he can KO Dasmarinas if he can hit him with some solid punch, just one clean punch and the fight will be over.

https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/628407

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Filipino fighters are dangerous, they'd repeatedly pulled an upset against boxing superstars. Fighters such as Pacquiao and Donaire, although Donaire got beaten by Inoue it was still an impressive fight despite his been out of his prime for a long time. Still Inoue is currently reigning in this weight class and incredibly skilled he'll probably quickly figure out Dasmariñas after 4 rounds.

Filipino fighters are known for their fighting heart but I don't think Dasmarinas fighting heart can get him to beat Inoue, the skill and power discrepancies are very relevant, Inoue is getting better in every fight that he is in, and this one is no different, I predict a knock out for Inoue because he is a very relentless fighter inside and outside.

Yep, I don't feel the confidence that Dasmarinas will win this fight, it's a 50/50. No, it probably, Inoue will have a higher chance to win this (if it will push through) as we saw his fighting experience as well. In fact, the defeat of Donarie means that Inoue really has the capability to fight hard puncher and best boxer in the ring.
This will be exciting to see, though and Pinoy fans will choose Dasma but for me, I will still choose Inoue.

No offense but if that fight happened way back, Donaire is no longer in his prime and considering that he didn't have
any fight long before they've set him up fighting Inoue.

Knowing Donaire from his era if there's no Manny Pacquiao for sure he's the one who's been recognized as Pinoy boxing superhero, it's just happened that Pacquiao achievements and recognition is far higher than Doniare.

Moving back to this upcoming fight, the pride will still be there knowing that pinoy loves
to aim higher achievements, though there's no question about the winning chance
of Inoue but we never know until it happened.

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