[Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13 - page 27.

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Quote from: Questat on October 03, 2022, 10:32:42 AM

Quote from: jossiel on October 03, 2022, 05:42:06 AM

As typically for camps, they'll say that they'll have the better stance on the fight night. But, like what everyone is telling that it's gonna be hard for Butler but easy for Naoya.

Obviously, no need to contest that because Inoue is the heavy favorite to win, and the odds are based on the perception of the people which bookmakers do only make a few mistakes on that. Though surprises happened in the sports of boxing, it's highly unlikely that Butler will win.

Bet on Inoue via KO, this will not last long for sure.

Yes.

That's the pulse of everyone who's on this match and that's why odds aren't a lot for Inoue but more with Butler.

Those bettors that would just like to go against the crowd can bet for Butler as that's what the people and speculations are telling.

And that's all about Inoue winning this match so, we're all free to bet where we want to. If you just wanna gamble, choose what you want.

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Quote from: Questat on October 03, 2022, 10:32:42 AM

Obviously, no need to contest that because Inoue is the heavy favorite to win, and the odds are based on the perception of the people which bookmakers do only make a few mistakes on that. Though surprises happened in the sports of boxing, it's highly unlikely that Butler will win.

Bet on Inoue via KO, this will not last long for sure.

Most of the fans and gamblers who backing Inoue will surely take that bet, instead of low odd, with the ML taking that kind of bet
is better, it's very possible that Inoue will put Butler down.

Maybe with the defensive skills of Butler he might extent his stay, but once Inoue already saw an opening, it will be difficult for
Butler to keep his defense and he will be forced to engage and make a counterattack.

We never know when upset may take place, but likewise, it's possible and it happens in every sport, especially in boxing.

Upset happens but I think it is very slim on this match. Besides Inoue has a killer body blow which when landed on Butler's body might make Butler to depend on that area, which can open his upper part. We know Butler doesn't have a sturdy chin, so there might be a possibility of Butler's getting caught on the chin while defending his body. I just can't think of any possible way Butler can win this match so if ever He won, this would be the biggest upset in the history of the weight division.

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Quote from: Pamadar on October 01, 2022, 09:00:39 PM

With a proper diet and enough time of preparation, moving to another weight division is not hard for this monster.

That's true. They have months to prepare for the fight, it's sufficient to adjust their body and train. It would be a bit different for what Inoue used to but I think it's not hard for him to adjust just incase.

It's too early to talk on that, I think moving up is easier than going down in weight, and besides, Inoue has the power and speed, that's enough to still make him a fighter to be scared of once he moves up. After this fight, if he wins, I think that's gonna be his next move, so let's just wait and see.

It's part of his possible plans, but maybe he also sees more money from this division and he's good at maintaining his weight
so we never know what's the real score is in terms of moving up.

Just how you see it, too early for discussing that and there's always a balancing thing to make a decision, he might be thinking
about it, but for now, he's focusing on winning all the belts.

We will see any update for sure if there's a move coming from Inoue's camp, but for now it will be more on this upcoming fight.

It's not really that early, besides, we won't be having this kind of speculation if Inoue himself didn't say or consider that he'll move to the next weight class if he is already finish in unifying all the belts in his current division. Talking about his chances, there is a high chance that he will move after this because majority of us here already are already convinced and thought that Inoue will be crowned as the undisputed champion rather than Butler.

Inoue was interviewed recently by the JapanTimes and this is what he said:

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“From here on, I want to give performances worthy of the No. 1 pound-for-pound fighter.
“In order to do that, I need to unify the bantamweight world titles and then take on the super-bantamweight division.”

https://www.japantimes.co.jp/sports/2022/06/28/more-sports/boxing-2/inoue-pound-for-pound-bantamweight/

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Quote from: Questat on October 03, 2022, 10:32:42 AM

Quote from: jossiel on October 03, 2022, 05:42:06 AM

As typically for camps, they'll say that they'll have the better stance on the fight night. But, like what everyone is telling that it's gonna be hard for Butler but easy for Naoya.

Obviously, no need to contest that because Inoue is the heavy favorite to win, and the odds are based on the perception of the people which bookmakers do only make a few mistakes on that. Though surprises happened in the sports of boxing, it's highly unlikely that Butler will win.

Bet on Inoue via KO, this will not last long for sure.

Most of the fans and gamblers who backing Inoue will surely take that bet, instead of low odd, with the ML taking that kind of bet
is better, it's very possible that Inoue will put Butler down.

Maybe with the defensive skills of Butler he might extent his stay, but once Inoue already saw an opening, it will be difficult for
Butler to keep his defense and he will be forced to engage and make a counterattack.

We never know when upset may take place, but likewise, it's possible and it happens in every sport, especially in boxing.

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Quote from: jossiel on October 03, 2022, 05:42:06 AM

As typically for camps, they'll say that they'll have the better stance on the fight night. But, like what everyone is telling that it's gonna be hard for Butler but easy for Naoya.

Obviously, no need to contest that because Inoue is the heavy favorite to win, and the odds are based on the perception of the people which bookmakers do only make a few mistakes on that. Though surprises happened in the sports of boxing, it's highly unlikely that Butler will win.

Bet on Inoue via KO, this will not last long for sure.

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Quote from: Pamadar on October 02, 2022, 09:58:40 PM

Quote from: jossiel on October 02, 2022, 05:29:56 PM

Yes, everyone is entitled for their opinions and what they think about their bouts and fights.

But if it's just all about words, of course they'll tell that he'll beat them and the other camp will also say the same thing. That's why it's better to wait until the match happens.

So that we'll see on who's really able to maintain his prowess and words while they're having press releases.

We will see the conclusion of these fights once both camps sign the contract.

Though in my biased opinion, still the monster will win all the belts once they are both inside the ring and start fighting.
Likewise, both camps can say that they are capable to win both proving that words will be decided when they
are throwing punches and trying to take down one another.

It's the majority saying that it's going to be the ring for Naoya instead of Butler. Well, me as well thinks that this is going to be Naoya's based on how I've watched him box.

As typically for camps, they'll say that they'll have the better stance on the fight night. But, like what everyone is telling that it's gonna be hard for Butler but easy for Naoya.

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Quote from: erep on October 02, 2022, 05:21:22 PM

Quote from: jossiel on October 02, 2022, 04:31:34 PM

While the others are talking about that Inoue will dominate and dictate this fight, it's good to see that there are opposed opinions on how this match will go.

It's still unknown if who's going to lead the match but most speculations are telling that it's going to be Inoue that will make this fight his and not Butler's.

But again, we don't know what's going to be the result of it and we're all guessing the possible outcome.

We also have to consider the opinion of Butler's camp because everyone is free to express their opinion based on the facts in the previous fight, I'm also waiting for a response about the defense for Butler because there are many things I want to know about his fighting style.

Even though the majority support Inoue but whatever it is just initial speculation not an opinion for the final result because the dominating boxing fight does not mean the winner but the knockout blow belongs to anyone boxer.

Yes, everyone is entitled for their opinions and what they think about their bouts and fights.

But if it's just all about words, of course they'll tell that he'll beat them and the other camp will also say the same thing. That's why it's better to wait until the match happens.

So that we'll see on who's really able to maintain his prowess and words while they're having press releases.

We will see the conclusion of these fights once both camps sign the contract.

Though in my biased opinion, still the monster will win all the belts once they are both inside the ring and start fighting.
Likewise, both camps can say that they are capable to win both proving that words will be decided when they
are throwing punches and trying to take down one another.

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Quote from: erep on October 02, 2022, 05:21:22 PM

Even though the majority support Inoue but whatever it is just initial speculation not an opinion for the final result because the dominating boxing fight does not mean the winner but the knockout blow belongs to anyone boxer.

The majority here favors Naoya Inoue winning this fight with a solid basis and not just because of his popularity. It's clear as the bright sky that Inoue is the most dominant boxer not just against Paul Butler but in the whole Bantamweight Division. There's no boxer right now in that division that can go bring down the Japanese monster at the point of his career.

I'm sure you are not familiar with Inoue that's why you can say things like that. If you are into boxing, there should be no question about who will be the winner here. Even an upset is a no-brainer to think that will happened.

Butler will not win, mate. You have to accept that. This is not an opinion but the real thing that will happen.

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 02, 2022, 05:10:32 PM

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 01, 2022, 07:42:16 PM

We can't really say that for certain, we will have to see how Inoue's body will respond with that added weight. Different body will reacted to different weight, if he can carry his strength this good, that is just one part.

I got your point but Inoue will surely adjust easily at 122lbs from 118lbs.

Although it's a new experience for him to fight in a new environment, it's not that he will struggle at first.

I also see that he can go toe-to-toe with either Stephen Fulton or Murodjon Akhmadaliev in the near future.

But if Inoue chooses to test the water first at 122 lbs, I guess that is also a good strategy and not directly go to champions.

That probably makes no sense to do if he climbs at the 122lbs from 118lbs where as you mentioned, it's easy to do some adjustments.

Can't imagine a unified bantamweight champion won't go directly against the top super bantamweight just to test the waters at 122lbs? I don't think Inoue's promoter will waste time on managing fights for him against mid-tier ranks. Surely, they will pick a big name and probably a title holder already at the super bantamweight.

But yes, as I have known you as one of the most boxing enthusiasts here, I agree with you that we need to wait first about Inoue's future plan.

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Quote from: erep on October 02, 2022, 05:21:22 PM

Quote from: jossiel on October 02, 2022, 04:31:34 PM

While the others are talking about that Inoue will dominate and dictate this fight, it's good to see that there are opposed opinions on how this match will go.

It's still unknown if who's going to lead the match but most speculations are telling that it's going to be Inoue that will make this fight his and not Butler's.

But again, we don't know what's going to be the result of it and we're all guessing the possible outcome.

We also have to consider the opinion of Butler's camp because everyone is free to express their opinion based on the facts in the previous fight, I'm also waiting for a response about the defense for Butler because there are many things I want to know about his fighting style.

One thing I know of Butler, he doesn't have a sturdy chin. He was knocked out by Tete after receiving a short uppercut which I think isn't loaded 100% of Tete's punching power.

Quote from: erep on October 02, 2022, 05:21:22 PM

Even though the majority support Inoue but whatever it is just initial speculation not an opinion for the final result because the dominating boxing fight does not mean the winner but the knockout blow belongs to anyone boxer.

True speculation but has basis. Butler maybe a power puncher but he isn't that powerful as Donaire and other opponent Inoue has. Inoue has a devastating body blow and can possibly knock out Butler if by chance uppercut connect since Butler has not so sturdy chin. Butler may make good use of the ring but Inoue is good at cutting rings. If the fight goes toe to toe, unless butler got really lucky, we might see Butler kissing the canvas. Though I never remove the possibility of an upset no matter how low for it to happen.

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Quote from: erep on October 02, 2022, 05:21:22 PM

We also have to consider the opinion of Butler's camp because everyone is free to express their opinion based on the facts in the previous fight, I'm also waiting for a response about the defense for Butler because there are many things I want to know about his fighting style.

Even though the majority support Inoue but whatever it is just initial speculation not an opinion for the final result because the dominating boxing fight does not mean the winner but the knockout blow belongs to anyone boxer.

I understand your whole sentiment but sorry to say that even though I want to become fair and square in judging this fight, I can't really apply your statement and views if we are talking about "Paul Bulter" against "The Monster". Maybe in other boxing matches, we can apply your concern but not in this specific match.

I might sound bias toward Inoue but sorry to say that Butler didn't go through a tough and competitive way when he acquired his WBO title. Although it's not his fault as he just goes with the flow, I can assume already that if Casimero vs Butler happened, no way Butler can win against the PH's Quadro Alas.

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Quote from: erep on October 02, 2022, 05:21:22 PM

Quote from: jossiel on October 02, 2022, 04:31:34 PM

While the others are talking about that Inoue will dominate and dictate this fight, it's good to see that there are opposed opinions on how this match will go.

It's still unknown if who's going to lead the match but most speculations are telling that it's going to be Inoue that will make this fight his and not Butler's.

But again, we don't know what's going to be the result of it and we're all guessing the possible outcome.

We also have to consider the opinion of Butler's camp because everyone is free to express their opinion based on the facts in the previous fight, I'm also waiting for a response about the defense for Butler because there are many things I want to know about his fighting style.

Even though the majority support Inoue but whatever it is just initial speculation not an opinion for the final result because the dominating boxing fight does not mean the winner but the knockout blow belongs to anyone boxer.

Yes, everyone is entitled for their opinions and what they think about their bouts and fights.

But if it's just all about words, of course they'll tell that he'll beat them and the other camp will also say the same thing. That's why it's better to wait until the match happens.

So that we'll see on who's really able to maintain his prowess and words while they're having press releases.

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Quote from: jossiel on October 02, 2022, 04:31:34 PM

While the others are talking about that Inoue will dominate and dictate this fight, it's good to see that there are opposed opinions on how this match will go.

It's still unknown if who's going to lead the match but most speculations are telling that it's going to be Inoue that will make this fight his and not Butler's.

But again, we don't know what's going to be the result of it and we're all guessing the possible outcome.

We also have to consider the opinion of Butler's camp because everyone is free to express their opinion based on the facts in the previous fight, I'm also waiting for a response about the defense for Butler because there are many things I want to know about his fighting style.

Even though the majority support Inoue but whatever it is just initial speculation not an opinion for the final result because the dominating boxing fight does not mean the winner but the knockout blow belongs to anyone boxer.

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Quote from: goinmerry on October 01, 2022, 07:49:41 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on October 01, 2022, 07:42:16 PM

We can't really say that for certain, we will have to see how Inoue's body will respond with that added weight. Different body will reacted to different weight, if he can carry his strength this good, that is just one part.

I got your point but Inoue will surely adjust easily at 122lbs from 118lbs.

Although it's a new experience for him to fight in a new environment, it's not that he will struggle at first.

I also see that he can go toe-to-toe with either Stephen Fulton or Murodjon Akhmadaliev in the near future.

Of course, it's easy to move up in weight, but we will have to see if first before we can truly say that he had adjusted without any problems or at least being comfortable in this new weight. And who knows, in the next year or so this will be his natural weight already until he can't make the required weight anymore.

Would love to see him test against those two. If the boxing organizations will give him a free pass to fight them once he goes up in weight then for sure this is going to be a great fight. But if Inoue chooses to test the water first at 122 lbs, I guess that is also a good strategy and not directly go to champions.

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Quote from: erep on October 02, 2022, 04:18:57 PM

Inoue boxing record dominates knockout wins compared to Butler boxing record, Butler has more wins despite winning by decision. So I doubt Inoue will lead the fight because both have fighting skills based on their respective records, so we can determine the victory after 2 rounds running and I avoid speculation before the match because it is not a definite opinion because the conditions of the fight may be Inoue is stronger or vice versa.

While the others are talking about that Inoue will dominate and dictate this fight, it's good to see that there are opposed opinions on how this match will go.

It's still unknown if who's going to lead the match but most speculations are telling that it's going to be Inoue that will make this fight his and not Butler's.

But again, we don't know what's going to be the result of it and we're all guessing the possible outcome.

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Quote from: lienfaye on October 02, 2022, 12:15:36 AM

Inoue is a monster and has an excellent boxing record that's why many boxing fans believe he will dominate his opponent again. Butler might be added as a boxer that he defeated, but still we dont know if Butler will let that to happen. For sure he also train hard for this fight knowing how good his opponent is.

Inoue boxing record dominates knockout wins compared to Butler boxing record, Butler has more wins despite winning by decision. So I doubt Inoue will lead the fight because both have fighting skills based on their respective records, so we can determine the victory after 2 rounds running and I avoid speculation before the match because it is not a definite opinion because the conditions of the fight may be Inoue is stronger or vice versa.

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Quote from: Pamadar on October 01, 2022, 09:00:39 PM

With a proper diet and enough time of preparation, moving to another weight division is not hard for this monster.

That's true. They have months to prepare for the fight, it's sufficient to adjust their body and train. It would be a bit different for what Inoue used to but I think it's not hard for him to adjust just incase.

It's too early to talk on that, I think moving up is easier than going down in weight, and besides, Inoue has the power and speed, that's enough to still make him a fighter to be scared of once he moves up. After this fight, if he wins, I think that's gonna be his next move, so let's just wait and see.

It's part of his possible plans, but maybe he also sees more money from this division and he's good at maintaining his weight
so we never know what's the real score is in terms of moving up.

Just how you see it, too early for discussing that and there's always a balancing thing to make a decision, he might be thinking
about it, but for now, he's focusing on winning all the belts.

We will see any update for sure if there's a move coming from Inoue's camp, but for now it will be more on this upcoming fight.

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Quote from: Pamadar on October 01, 2022, 09:00:39 PM

With a proper diet and enough time of preparation, moving to another weight division is not hard for this monster.

That's true. They have months to prepare for the fight, it's sufficient to adjust their body and train. It would be a bit different for what Inoue used to but I think it's not hard for him to adjust just incase.

It's too early to talk on that, I think moving up is easier than going down in weight, and besides, Inoue has the power and speed, that's enough to still make him a fighter to be scared of once he moves up. After this fight, if he wins, I think that's gonna be his next move, so let's just wait and see.

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Quote from: Pamadar on October 01, 2022, 09:00:39 PM

With a proper diet and enough time of preparation, moving to another weight division is not hard for this monster.

That's true. They have months to prepare for the fight, it's sufficient to adjust their body and train. It would be a bit different for what Inoue used to but I think it's not hard for him to adjust just incase.

Quote from: Pamadar on October 01, 2022, 09:00:39 PM

No doubt that in this current division, he really has the upper hand, even in his upcoming fight against Butler, we can't deny that
most of us think that he can beat Butler aside from those who have their own perspectives and the fans of Butler for sure they
have their own opinion, but if after this fight and Inoue decide to move up, he needs some time for preparation before taking a fight.

Inoue is a monster and has an excellent boxing record that's why many boxing fans believe he will dominate his opponent again. Butler might be added as a boxer that he defeated, but still we dont know if Butler will let that to happen. For sure he also train hard for this fight knowing how good his opponent is.

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Quote from: Baofeng on October 01, 2022, 07:42:16 PM

We can't really say that for certain, we will have to see how Inoue's body will respond with that added weight. Different body will reacted to different weight, if he can carry his strength this good, that is just one part.

I got your point but Inoue will surely adjust easily at 122lbs from 118lbs.

Although it's a new experience for him to fight in a new environment, it's not that he will struggle at first.

I also see that he can go toe-to-toe with either Stephen Fulton or Murodjon Akhmadaliev in the near future.

the increase in weight is not that much, so for me, it should not be a big issue at all. but gaining weight few weeks before the fight would pose a problem. if he will go up in weight division, should have the required weight months before the fight so he is comfortable with such weight and would not be a burden for him. but for now, he needs to settle his score with butler first. and let's see where he goes from that point...

With a proper diet and enough time of preparation, moving to another weight division is not hard for this monster.

No doubt that in this current division, he really has the upper hand, even in his upcoming fight against Butler, we can't deny that
most of us think that he can beat Butler aside from those who have their own perspectives and the fans of Butler for sure they
have their own opinion, but if after this fight and Inoue decide to move up, he needs some time for preparation before taking a fight.

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