[Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13 - page 22.

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Quote from: Questat on October 13, 2022, 03:15:53 AM

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Quote from: inthelongrun on October 12, 2022, 10:32:41 PM

Styles make fights but Butler is not heavy-handed nor faster than Inoue.

Exactly, that's why there's only a very little chance that Butler will win this fight. But I admire him for being brave, if he will lose, I hope he will not be injured in the fight so he can still continue his career. The thing is, if Inoue goes up in weight, maybe he can still fight and be a bantamweight champion again.

Let's just wait for the outcome, IMO, this fight is not too interesting due to the fact that Butler is not on Inoue's level, but still we have to watch this because it's the most important fight of Inoue in this division for him to become an undisputed champion.

The betting here is not on who will win as obviously we know already who will, we can bet on the type of outcome, could be by KO in what round or range of rounds, or could be by decision in favor of Inoue.

if you are into higher odd that kind of pick will attract your interest since ML is not good unless you will go to risk
huge amount of your bankroll, in most opinions, Inoue really takes the upper hand here,

fighting in front of your own fans and the motivation to hold all the belts from this division, some of the factors that will make him very keen in winning this fight. On the gambler's side, if you are a fan of high-risk bet taking Butler will provide a huge amount of winning profits but it's a suicidal take, but the worth in case upset happens is really huge.

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on October 11, 2022, 12:42:17 AM

That kind of odds will not gonna attract bettors to bet on Inoue ML, it looks like an easy 2% return but would you guys have the balls to risk your money for 2% return? The chances to win is high but the risk is high as well, you choose.

In the first place, it's really obvious that Moneyline odds for Naoya Inoue do not make sense for placing a bet.

Besides, as a bettor, there is another way around to take advantage of Inoue being a Favorite like; on what round he will win, on what round he can Knock Out Butler, or if the Japanese monster will win via Decision, etc. Not unless risking high odds in favor of Paul Butler.

Anyways, let's just wait for other betting options. Don't expect though that Inoue will have decent odds of Winning between Round 1-3 for an obvious reason.

If you look at Naoya's previous fight against Donaire Kans to make this a KO, it's obviously very big.
Even though Butler is still strong enough and able to fight but I personally feel that a knockout is still possible and this could also happen very quickly.

Inoue is still amazing to me and I'm definitely going to bet on a knockout under round 4.

I can only say that Paul Butler has no chance of winning. And, I agree that there is a huge possibility that Butler will get knockout might be around round 4 - 6.

Best to invest huge money to bet for Inoue since the odds are low. Much better to have option for knockouts for every rounds which I think will be much worth it.

Same here, I think he will be knockdown, the likelihood of a KO is high compared to Inoue winning via decision, so most likely the odds is high if we beat on Inoue via decision. However, if I would to choose, I'll go with the 1-3 or 4-6 rounds KO by Inoue.

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Quote from: Raflesia on October 12, 2022, 06:01:01 PM

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on October 11, 2022, 12:42:17 AM

That kind of odds will not gonna attract bettors to bet on Inoue ML, it looks like an easy 2% return but would you guys have the balls to risk your money for 2% return? The chances to win is high but the risk is high as well, you choose.

In the first place, it's really obvious that Moneyline odds for Naoya Inoue do not make sense for placing a bet.

Besides, as a bettor, there is another way around to take advantage of Inoue being a Favorite like; on what round he will win, on what round he can Knock Out Butler, or if the Japanese monster will win via Decision, etc. Not unless risking high odds in favor of Paul Butler.

Anyways, let's just wait for other betting options. Don't expect though that Inoue will have decent odds of Winning between Round 1-3 for an obvious reason.

If you look at Naoya's previous fight against Donaire Kans to make this a KO, it's obviously very big.
Even though Butler is still strong enough and able to fight but I personally feel that a knockout is still possible and this could also happen very quickly.

Inoue is still amazing to me and I'm definitely going to bet on a knockout under round 4.

I can only say that Paul Butler has no chance of winning. And, I agree that there is a huge possibility that Butler will get knockout might be around round 4 - 6.

Best to invest huge money to bet for Inoue since the odds are low. Much better to have option for knockouts for every rounds which I think will be much worth it.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on October 13, 2022, 02:29:45 AM

Quote from: inthelongrun on October 12, 2022, 10:32:41 PM

Styles make fights but Butler is not heavy-handed nor faster than Inoue.

Exactly, that's why there's only a very little chance that Butler will win this fight. But I admire him for being brave, if he will lose, I hope he will not be injured in the fight so he can still continue his career. The thing is, if Inoue goes up in weight, maybe he can still fight and be a bantamweight champion again.

Let's just wait for the outcome, IMO, this fight is not too interesting due to the fact that Butler is not on Inoue's level, but still we have to watch this because it's the most important fight of Inoue in this division for him to become an undisputed champion.

The betting here is not on who will win as obviously we know already who will, we can bet on the type of outcome, could be by KO in what round or range of rounds, or could be by decision in favor of Inoue.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on October 12, 2022, 10:32:41 PM

Styles make fights but Butler is not heavy-handed nor faster than Inoue.

Exactly, that's why there's only a very little chance that Butler will win this fight. But I admire him for being brave, if he will lose, I hope he will not be injured in the fight so he can still continue his career. The thing is, if Inoue goes up in weight, maybe he can still fight and be a bantamweight champion again.

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Quote from: Raflesia on October 12, 2022, 06:01:01 PM

Even though Butler is still strong enough and able to fight but I personally feel that a knockout is still possible and this could also happen very quickly.

Paul Butler may be strong (regardless of his opponent) during his early years as his KO rate in those years is impressive. However, during his last 15 fights since 2016, about 11 of these wins came from decisions that make me believe that his power is now slowly fading where in fact, there are even no big names in those last 15 fights.

Sorry to say that alone is the reason why he doesn't have any chance to win against Inoue. For those saying upset is possible, I don't understand what is the basis to believe that Butler can upset Inoue. There's even more chance to hit a lottery jackpot compare to expecting an upset win by Butler of course if they are both healthy on the day of the fight.

Yes, it is highly unlikely for an upset to happen here. Paul Butler is a world-class fighter but Inoue is a future Hall of Famer. Butler and Inoue had a common opponent in the name of Emmanuel Rodriguez. Emmanuel Rodriguez took the then-vacant IBF belt by taking Butler to school and scoring 2 knockdowns. The following year, Inoue easily obliterated Rodriguez in just 2 rounds, knocking him 3 times. Styles make fights but Butler is not heavy-handed nor faster than Inoue.

Of course, there's always the chance for an upset no matter how small it is. Just like winning a lottery. Grin

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Quote from: Questat on October 07, 2022, 09:12:39 AM

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Quote from: Kasabus on October 07, 2022, 03:43:57 AM

This time it's against Paul Butler, it's no use thinking that he will win because that won't happen even if Inoue is feeling bad or ill in the day of their fight. I know Inoue is not that kind of boxer who underestimates his foe but it's too clear that Butler won't stand a chance especially if we are talking about withstanding punches, he can't survive that.

The level of confidence from the fans of Inoue is very high, well, we cannot blame the fans because Butler won't be a champion if Casimero was not stripped with his belt, so now, he is getting all the kind of underestimation, and hopefully he will see that as a challenge and will try to prove that we are wrong.

It's indeed a huge challenge for Butler because the majority of the boxing fans do not believe he has a shot of beating the monster Inoue. Butler has to double his training, not only improve his running style, but he also needs to improve his power because if Inoue cannot feel his power, well, what can we expect, Inoue will just continue to be aggressive and will look for a KO.

A boxer can double, triple his training or more, however, there is nothing he can change. Butler is slower, older and the weaker boxer. His team can use different strategies to outsmart Inoue, however. But there is nothing that can change the storyline of their destinies. Inoue will win with a knockout and continue to challenge himself to become the pound for pound best boxer. Butler will be a forgotten character in this story. He will be taken out of the ring on a stretcher hehehehhee. Yes, another stretcher joke.

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Quote from: Raflesia on October 12, 2022, 06:01:01 PM

Even though Butler is still strong enough and able to fight but I personally feel that a knockout is still possible and this could also happen very quickly.

Paul Butler may be strong (regardless of his opponent) during his early years as his KO rate in those years is impressive. However, during his last 15 fights since 2016, about 11 of these wins came from decisions that make me believe that his power is now slowly fading where in fact, there are even no big names in those last 15 fights.

Sorry to say that alone is the reason why he doesn't have any chance to win against Inoue. For those saying upset is possible, I don't understand what is the basis to believe that Butler can upset Inoue. There's even more chance to hit a lottery jackpot compare to expecting an upset win by Butler of course if they are both healthy on the day of the fight.

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Quote from: harizen on October 12, 2022, 05:48:58 PM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on October 11, 2022, 12:42:17 AM

That kind of odds will not gonna attract bettors to bet on Inoue ML, it looks like an easy 2% return but would you guys have the balls to risk your money for 2% return? The chances to win is high but the risk is high as well, you choose.

In the first place, it's really obvious that Moneyline odds for Naoya Inoue do not make sense for placing a bet.

Besides, as a bettor, there is another way around to take advantage of Inoue being a Favorite like; on what round he will win, on what round he can Knock Out Butler, or if the Japanese monster will win via Decision, etc. Not unless risking high odds in favor of Paul Butler.

Anyways, let's just wait for other betting options. Don't expect though that Inoue will have decent odds of Winning between Round 1-3 for an obvious reason.

If you look at Naoya's previous fight against Donaire Kans to make this a KO, it's obviously very big.
Even though Butler is still strong enough and able to fight but I personally feel that a knockout is still possible and this could also happen very quickly.

Inoue is still amazing to me and I'm definitely going to bet on a knockout under round 4.

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Quote from: harizen on October 12, 2022, 05:48:58 PM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on October 11, 2022, 12:42:17 AM

That kind of odds will not gonna attract bettors to bet on Inoue ML, it looks like an easy 2% return but would you guys have the balls to risk your money for 2% return? The chances to win is high but the risk is high as well, you choose.

In the first place, it's really obvious that Moneyline odds for Naoya Inoue do not make sense for placing a bet.

Besides, as a bettor, there is another way around to take advantage of Inoue being a Favorite like; on what round he will win, on what round he can Knock Out Butler, or if the Japanese monster will win via Decision, etc. Not unless risking high odds in favor of Paul Butler.

Anyways, let's just wait for other betting options. Don't expect though that Inoue will have decent odds of Winning between Round 1-3 for an obvious reason.

Betting lines or options are really indeed there or could really be offered with soo much better odds compared into that winner odds which its true that it wont really be that worth to risk on.

People would eventually be looking into different angle which they would able to bet on.Round 1-3 KO is something i do also look forward but lets see if Butler would able to hold it out.

I dont see that this one wont be ending up on TKO.Im not underestimating Butler but it seems that this would be the thing could happen. Cheesy

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on October 11, 2022, 12:42:17 AM

That kind of odds will not gonna attract bettors to bet on Inoue ML, it looks like an easy 2% return but would you guys have the balls to risk your money for 2% return? The chances to win is high but the risk is high as well, you choose.

In the first place, it's really obvious that Moneyline odds for Naoya Inoue do not make sense for placing a bet.

Besides, as a bettor, there is another way around to take advantage of Inoue being a Favorite like; on what round he will win, on what round he can Knock Out Butler, or if the Japanese monster will win via Decision, etc. Not unless risking high odds in favor of Paul Butler.

Anyways, let's just wait for other betting options. Don't expect though that Inoue will have decent odds of Winning between Round 1-3 for an obvious reason.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on October 11, 2022, 04:05:17 PM

Might be better if we are going to look for the KO odds, but not sure what will it be. And then the per rounds and asian cup (which offer better odds if I'm not mistaken).

I still remember that we have discussed about the contract, it is sign already and that we can safe to say that December is really the target date?

Good question, I don't see any update regarding to that matter. Is this fight still possible not to push thru or both camps already
in the signing stage, we are already talking about odds yet we are unsure if the fight will come true.

But if ever that they will meet inside the ring, for Inoue's fans it's best to wait for a much higher odd with a different type of bets
instead of taking that big risk with un-accepted odds.

Just saying though..

I think everything is already set in stone. I haven't heard of contracts signed but both teams and fighters have already accepted the specific fight details. There seems to be no complaint from the camp of Butler that they will be going to Japan for this undisputed match. I guess this is the kind of fight they are looking for. So everything's a done deal already. Odds are also released although still very limited at this point. But as expected Naoya will be a big favorite. Paul Butler's would be as high as 10.00.

Probably this is not yet officially signed but since we aren't hearing any backlash then all details are probably agreed upon. Documents are mostly likely signed when Butler is in Japan.

As for the betting odds, Naoya Inoue is too favorite to win here even if Paul Butler is also a champion. Even an Inoue KO is probably around 1.20 or even below knowing he is a KO artist. Inoue by decision might have high odds but this is very unlikely. The most interesting bet is to guess which round Inoue KOs Butler. But this is also a very very difficult bet to win since Inoue based on his past fights can also last 12 rounds which means he may not rush for a KO and let it come.

Something that really brings him to the upper side, imagine as even the KO win still have a small odd, though 1.20 is already acceptable for those who like to earn some from this upcoming fight.

Inoue, as fans know him, a KO artist who can outplay his opponent, his dominance will once again be witness inside his own ring and without any news with Butler's camp, it seems that the fight may happen. More on how you anticipate the performance of both boxers, odds may change from time to time during the live event. If you are chasing for a much decent, odd it's also good following bookies live offers.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on October 11, 2022, 04:05:17 PM

Might be better if we are going to look for the KO odds, but not sure what will it be. And then the per rounds and asian cup (which offer better odds if I'm not mistaken).

I still remember that we have discussed about the contract, it is sign already and that we can safe to say that December is really the target date?

Not sure if they had already signed a contract, but by the looks of it, seemed like there's no problem for this fight from happening.

Naoya Inoue, ESPN's No. 2 pound-for-pound boxer, agrees to title bout with Paul Butler, sources say
Still few months to wait, but as long as there's no bad news regarding this, we should not worry, instead, we have to trust them and just wait patiently.

I'm pretty sure Butler sees this as the biggest fight of his career, so pretty sure he is training hard to match the monster INoue.

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Quote from: Natalim on October 11, 2022, 01:37:50 AM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on October 11, 2022, 12:42:17 AM

Quote from: harizen on October 08, 2022, 11:00:55 AM

Quote from: Hypnosis00 on October 08, 2022, 06:55:36 AM

Let's measure the success rate by a chance and we can see that on the betting odds once it's out.

Odds are already out I think just a few days or weeks after the official announcement of this fight.

Naoya Inoue @ 1.02
Paul Butler @ 12

Source: https://stake.com/sports/boxing/international/international-matchups/42925198-inoue-naoya-butler-paul

Although betting options are still limited for an obvious reason that the fight still has months to go.

That kind of odds will not gonna attract bettors to bet on Inoue ML, it looks like an easy 2% return but would you guys have the balls to risk your money for 2% return? The chances to win is high but the risk is high as well, you choose.

No need to bet on moneyline, we have the asian handicap and it will all be available by December, so have more patience and continue just don't forget to put your bet when that time comes. It's not an easy opponent of Butler, but he has plenty of time to prepare, so he should be ready in this fight and show to the fans that he is not what they are expecting.

I think you are right, 2% return is even lower than the commission bookies made in every bet, so it's a big no. However, we cannot choose what odds to bet until the compete betting odds will be available, and I'm pretty sure lots of bettors are waiting for the odds.

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Quote from: Fundamentals Of on October 11, 2022, 10:50:33 PM

Quote from: Pamadar on October 11, 2022, 10:35:32 PM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on October 11, 2022, 04:05:17 PM

Might be better if we are going to look for the KO odds, but not sure what will it be. And then the per rounds and asian cup (which offer better odds if I'm not mistaken).

I still remember that we have discussed about the contract, it is sign already and that we can safe to say that December is really the target date?

Good question, I don't see any update regarding to that matter. Is this fight still possible not to push thru or both camps already
in the signing stage, we are already talking about odds yet we are unsure if the fight will come true.

But if ever that they will meet inside the ring, for Inoue's fans it's best to wait for a much higher odd with a different type of bets
instead of taking that big risk with un-accepted odds.

Just saying though..

I think everything is already set in stone. I haven't heard of contracts signed but both teams and fighters have already accepted the specific fight details. There seems to be no complaint from the camp of Butler that they will be going to Japan for this undisputed match. I guess this is the kind of fight they are looking for. So everything's a done deal already. Odds are also released although still very limited at this point. But as expected Naoya will be a big favorite. Paul Butler's would be as high as 10.00.

Probably this is not yet officially signed but since we aren't hearing any backlash then all details are probably agreed upon. Documents are mostly likely signed when Butler is in Japan.

As for the betting odds, Naoya Inoue is too favorite to win here even if Paul Butler is also a champion. Even an Inoue KO is probably around 1.20 or even below knowing he is a KO artist. Inoue by decision might have high odds but this is very unlikely. The most interesting bet is to guess which round Inoue KOs Butler. But this is also a very very difficult bet to win since Inoue based on his past fights can also last 12 rounds which means he may not rush for a KO and let it come.

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Quote from: Pamadar on October 11, 2022, 10:35:32 PM

Quote from: Yaunfitda on October 11, 2022, 04:05:17 PM

Might be better if we are going to look for the KO odds, but not sure what will it be. And then the per rounds and asian cup (which offer better odds if I'm not mistaken).

I still remember that we have discussed about the contract, it is sign already and that we can safe to say that December is really the target date?

Good question, I don't see any update regarding to that matter. Is this fight still possible not to push thru or both camps already
in the signing stage, we are already talking about odds yet we are unsure if the fight will come true.

But if ever that they will meet inside the ring, for Inoue's fans it's best to wait for a much higher odd with a different type of bets
instead of taking that big risk with un-accepted odds.

Just saying though..

I think everything is already set in stone. I haven't heard of contracts signed but both teams and fighters have already accepted the specific fight details. There seems to be no complaint from the camp of Butler that they will be going to Japan for this undisputed match. I guess this is the kind of fight they are looking for. So everything's a done deal already. Odds are also released although still very limited at this point. But as expected Naoya will be a big favorite. Paul Butler's would be as high as 10.00.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on October 11, 2022, 04:05:17 PM

Might be better if we are going to look for the KO odds, but not sure what will it be. And then the per rounds and asian cup (which offer better odds if I'm not mistaken).

I still remember that we have discussed about the contract, it is sign already and that we can safe to say that December is really the target date?

Good question, I don't see any update regarding to that matter. Is this fight still possible not to push thru or both camps already
in the signing stage, we are already talking about odds yet we are unsure if the fight will come true.

But if ever that they will meet inside the ring, for Inoue's fans it's best to wait for a much higher odd with a different type of bets
instead of taking that big risk with un-accepted odds.

Just saying though..

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Might be better if we are going to look for the KO odds, but not sure what will it be. And then the per rounds and asian cup (which offer better odds if I'm not mistaken).

I still remember that we have discussed about the contract, it is sign already and that we can safe to say that December is really the target date?

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on October 08, 2022, 06:55:36 AM

Let's measure the success rate by a chance and we can see that on the betting odds once it's out.

Odds are already out I think just a few days or weeks after the official announcement of this fight.

Naoya Inoue @ 1.02
Paul Butler @ 12

Source: https://stake.com/sports/boxing/international/international-matchups/42925198-inoue-naoya-butler-paul

Although betting options are still limited for an obvious reason that the fight still has months to go.

That kind of odds will not gonna attract bettors to bet on Inoue ML, it looks like an easy 2% return but would you guys have the balls to risk your money for 2% return? The chances to win is high but the risk is high as well, you choose.

No need to bet on moneyline, we have the asian handicap and it will all be available by December, so have more patience and continue just don't forget to put your bet when that time comes. It's not an easy opponent of Butler, but he has plenty of time to prepare, so he should be ready in this fight and show to the fans that he is not what they are expecting.

ML is not worth as you have said, not sure about the Asian handicap, I haven't try it.

But in any case the fight is still December and that odds could jump as well. However, Butler is really a huge underdog and I don't know if there will be a change of odds or at least Butler is going to close that gap. And so it is up to the fans or Butler to bet on him to offset the odds. Or for sure Inoue's backers also might throw some money but in a different betting options.

Just wait for other betting lines because for sure, it will open maybe in the next month or December.
With Inoue's popularity, I am certain bookies will open more betting lines here.
But for Butler fans, I think they will be risking their money if they will bet huge.
Getting upset here seems far-fetched, but that is my opinion. Others may be looking something different for this fight.

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Quote from: Natalim on October 11, 2022, 01:37:50 AM

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Quote from: Hypnosis00 on October 08, 2022, 06:55:36 AM

Let's measure the success rate by a chance and we can see that on the betting odds once it's out.

Odds are already out I think just a few days or weeks after the official announcement of this fight.

Naoya Inoue @ 1.02
Paul Butler @ 12

Source: https://stake.com/sports/boxing/international/international-matchups/42925198-inoue-naoya-butler-paul

Although betting options are still limited for an obvious reason that the fight still has months to go.

That kind of odds will not gonna attract bettors to bet on Inoue ML, it looks like an easy 2% return but would you guys have the balls to risk your money for 2% return? The chances to win is high but the risk is high as well, you choose.

No need to bet on moneyline, we have the asian handicap and it will all be available by December, so have more patience and continue just don't forget to put your bet when that time comes. It's not an easy opponent of Butler, but he has plenty of time to prepare, so he should be ready in this fight and show to the fans that he is not what they are expecting.

ML is not worth as you have said, not sure about the Asian handicap, I haven't try it.

But in any case the fight is still December and that odds could jump as well. However, Butler is really a huge underdog and I don't know if there will be a change of odds or at least Butler is going to close that gap. And so it is up to the fans or Butler to bet on him to offset the odds. Or for sure Inoue's backers also might throw some money but in a different betting options.

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