Topic: [Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13 - page 28. (Read 16064 times)

the increase in weight is not that much, so for me, it should not be a big issue at all. but gaining weight few weeks before the fight would pose a problem. if he will go up in weight division, should have the required weight months before the fight so he is comfortable with such weight and would not be a burden for him. but for now, he needs to settle his score with butler first. and let's see where he goes from that point...

I got your point but Inoue will surely adjust easily at 122lbs from 118lbs.

Although it's a new experience for him to fight in a new environment, it's not that he will struggle at first.

I also see that he can go toe-to-toe with either Stephen Fulton or Murodjon Akhmadaliev in the near future.

We can't really say that for certain, we will have to see how Inoue's body will respond with that added weight. Different body will reacted to different weight, if he can carry his strength this good, that is just one part. But landing it to a natural super bantam boxer is another thing. They might have to absorb his punch and doesn't have that destructive effect when he is fighting bantamweight fighters.

But I do agree that they have been watching Inoue already and his intent to move up is no secret. That's why you will hear Stephen Fulton and to some extent Murodjon Akhmadaliev talking about fighting Naoya Inoue on their division.

True but as we know heavier boxers can absorb heavier punches, so it is also possible that we might witness boxers that can withstand Inoue's powerful punches if he moves up in Division.  Though Inoue's punches maybe as destructive as before, his opponent might have the body that can absorb his punches without any problem.  This is also the reason why there is a weight division in boxing.


Well, if a boxer already collected all the belts in that Division, there is no other way for him but to move up, especially when the boxer can easily make the weight to the next division and has experience problems in meeting his current division's weight limit.

And one advantage of Inoue is that his body seems to be on his prime and so it's easy for him to carry that 4 pounds South and still  be as destructed as in the current division that he is campaigning. And the champion are all waiting for him when he moves up to super bantamweight. Because they know that it will be a very difficult task for him because of Inoue's power, but it's like Inoue is the new kid on their block and they have to show who is the 'boss'. So it will be not easy for Naoya, and the champion as super bantamweight knows that it is a good payday for them as well.

Just to think that it would really be that normal for a certain boxer who's the best on the said division then your primary target is to step up higher on other divisions and getting those belts.
Its impossible that you wont really be thinking on having one step forward and as a boxer then you would really be targeting out different division belt which Inoue would surely be targeting it out.
But of course we know that weight would be the main to change up, it would really be affecting out your speed and thats normal but somewhat good fighters could
really able to bare out that exchange and still able to manage to beat up in higher weight class.I dont have doubts for Inoue imho.

It looks like the champion the the higher division is also intrigue on the strength of Inoue and wanted it to try themselves.  So there is a possibility that the first fight of Inoue if ever he move up in Division would be a title bout if both camp agree.



Of course champion on the higher division is aching to beat Inoue and gain the popularity of being the one to beat the monster.  I also wanted to see Inoue moving up in Division after he unified the belt in his current division.

Yes, I agree with you. We can say that Inoue's already overqualified in the Super Bantamweight and I don't have any doubts that he will just defeat the belt holders in the said division if he chose to climb there. There's not much difference because it's just 4 pounds or a kilo and a half from bantamweight, what I'm thinking is that Inoue will choose the featherweight instead.

Yes, there's no way that the bookies will give such listing that is favorable to us bettors especially in this fight that is almost clear enough to say that Inoue is the one who will win and be named as the undisputed boxer in bantamweight division. Aside from the challenge to guess what round range will Inoue stop Butler, there's also a chance that Butler might survive a full 12-round fight. Not because he can keep up with the monster but because he chose the safe way to finish the fight.

Well I think it's been a long time since we could decide who we could be inclined to bet on, however I wouldn't say that Butler is all wrong, for me Butler is a very complete boxer and I think he has everything he needs to face Inoue, yes things can happen that way, it is the most feasible thing that I see so that a fight with all the law can take place, Inoue is not waiting for Butler to give up, he knows very well that Butler wants him to end everything that he has built, is a very good reputation, full of victories, BVutler wants to be a protagonist anyway and that a new era is marked from him.


Casimero's problem is that, the weight, he may have many options to win if he faces Inoue, but Inoue has a lot of rigidity and discipline in his weight, he is considered one of the best, for me he is the best that exists in his category, of course I can't say that Casimero is bad for having failed against Butler with the weight problem, I think that a person should be very careful with his weight, in the event that he has more control with his weight he could have a great opportunity, Seeing it from a point of view further away from everything, I would like to see the strength of Casimero vs. Inoue measured.

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In my personal opinion and with Inoue's total attraction, I can speculate that Inoue has a great advantage over Butler, of course everyone considers Inoue the winner, but there are real possibilities that Butler could give a surprise.

Couldn't argue about that, Mayweather is truly a clever boxer because he managed to retire being an undefeated and fact is there's only a handful of boxer who retire undefeated. When it comes to mindset, Mayweather is intelligent enough to pick his fights but when it comes to strong and great boxers, I'm afraid that Mayweather is not in my list.

As a wise bettor then we must bet to Inoue to win this fight because as his skills and movement speed capable to be a champ and that's the reason why he always win, like you said above this match will end by a KO because as we all know how's Inoue mange his power and if butler felt it then for sure he will know that inoue is one of the best fighter. Let's wait and see who is the winner this upcoming December.

It's not gonna be high as we believe the fight will likely end in a KO win by Inoue.

Inoue to win via decision, that would probably give good odds, but for me, I'm not choosing that because anytime Butler could go down as long as he felt the power of Inoue. Of all of Inoue's fight, most of them was not able to finish the whole 12 rounds, so I guess I have to follow the trend.

I haven't look at the complete ranking of the super bantamweight, but there could be solid boxers as well that Inoue has to go through before facing either of the champion.


Hard not to see this happening. I mean if we are going to look at how he is knocking down his opponents, most likely Butler will not last the full 6 round. If the odds are good then definitely, we shouldn't hesitate to pull our bet on it.

What do you mean cheating? Casimero? again it's the problem about this weight causing him to missed the fight with Butler. And if by chance, he should be the one facing Inoue right now. But it seems that Casimero is also moving up in weight next and will have a fight this December if I'm not mistaken. So there is still a chance between them to fight in the super bantamweight division and I think the fans are still very interested on seeing this fight.

The super bantamweight division is an interesting one to conquer for Inoue as he has only to defeat two fighters (Fulton and Akhmadaliev) to again unify that division which is a career history and I think it's a not-so-difficult task to do but then again it depends on the decision of Top Rank boss Bob Arum.

I'm very confident that Butler will not last six rounds to the monster so if there is an option of under 6.5 rounds, I would not hesitate to take that.

 

He is too much because his best rival was out due to cheating, I know you know about Casimero, if only he was still a champion and Inoue gave him a chance to fight, then most probably we cannot say that there's no competition in this division.

You are right, Inoue is way above the competition he is facing at this division and we only have to take a look at this thread to know this is true, this is an unification fight which will create an undisputed champion and yet we are not giving Butler any chance for him to win the fight, this is how dominant Inoue really is and I do not see how this will change during the short term, so if he wants to face new challenges he has no other option but to move up a division.

well, boxing greats will accept challenges throughout their career. and that's only one challenge for the, to slowly move up to a higher weight division and conquer those belts. if inoue feels that he is ready to up his game, why not? for this upcoming fight, i believe he has the upper hand on this. for bettors, i believe it is worth betting on other betting lines, like if this will go the distance or which round will it finished? but bookies are not yet listing those betting lines.

Yes, remember that he won the WBSS ( World Boxing Super Series) already, defeating Nonito Donaire. And then he repeat it again with a 2 round destruction of the flash. So there's no one in the division that can really match Inoue.

And that is why he is thinking of moving to the next division, however, we will have to wait as he wanted to unify first.

As for Fulton, yes, both have intent to fight at super bantam. Akhmadaliev is also another name in that division. So if ever Inoue will move up, he will be fighting this guys and it will be a big challenge for the Monster if he can keep up with going up in weight and getting the belts and how far can he go.