[Boxing] Naoya Inoue vs Paul Butler - Undisputed Bantamweight Bout - December 13 - page 32.

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For sure will go on Inoue this time because I think he is much stronger than Butler since he is young fast and have killer punch which can totally knock out his opponent.

Everytime Inoue has a fight, the majority of the fans are rooting him to win, so it's not a surprise because he is the better fighter here based on their stats in comparison. Actually, fans are not discussing on who will win, they are discussing on how Inoue will win.

That is obvious, who among us fans wanted their boxer to lose? It is that Inoue had proven himself many times that he is really a monster in the ring making us think that there is so little chance for his opponent to beat him. It was Donaire who I think can beat Inoue but then the latter totally destroyed the Filipino flash on their rematch.

Donaire has the power as well, unfortunately, he is already not in his prime, so I'm not surprised that Inoue destroyed him in the rematch. The closest challenger I think would give Inoue some problem is Casimero, however, due to his careless action, he got stripped with his belt.

Even if Donaire is in his prime, I think Inoue can still beat him, but maybe not as easy as he beat in their rematch. Well, for sure Donaire is going to retire soon while Inoue is a rising superstar, so we still have a lot of fights to expect from the monster. If he decides to move up, then it will only make his career more exciting as he will face bigger challenges in heavier division.

Yes, but it's going to b close though, Donaire was very quick and his left hand is dangerous when he was in his prime. He only suffer a lost when he goes up in weight. But I think Donaire as a bantamweight vs this version of Donaire will be a classic match.

So I don't think that Butler can go the whole 12 rounds. It will really be a punishment and maybe his team will throw in the towel because they don't want Paul to get ruin by so much punches he will get from Inoue if ever it will go to the distance and they will still lost in the judges card.

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Quote from: Jating on September 23, 2022, 07:15:35 AM

Yes and in Inoue's last fight, he completely destroyed Donaire in just 2 rounds, so talk about not just simply knocking out his opponent, he is taking them down in less than 7.5 rounds.

Yeah, that was unexpected, I always thought if someone is able to beat Inoue, it is Donaire, but I was proven wrong, and Inoue makes Donaire looks like an amateur in their rematch. I thought it may be because of old age but the longer I think the more convince I am that it isn't the age that made Donaire fail to win, it is that Inoue is a monster of his current weight Division and it looks like no one can be a match for him.

Quote from: Jating on September 23, 2022, 07:15:35 AM

So if Butler survived the full 12 rounds, that's already a big accomplishment for him because it's very tough to hang with Inoue because of his power in both hands.

That would be 12 full rounds of punishment. If I were Butler I would just get KO'ed in the first round rather than being pummeled throughout the entire fight. It will be an accomplishment if he hangs around until round 12. That is if he doesn't run around and doesn't evade confrontation in the ring which I think will be his tactic in order to tire Inoue and at least lessen Inoue's punching power in the later round.

Quote from: mirakal on September 23, 2022, 12:57:01 PM

Casimero on the other hand, it's very unfortunate what happened to him because we are speculating about them last time that maybe it was him who will give the monster some challenge. But I guess our only last chance to see them inside the ring is if they will climb the next weight class.

It is unfortunate to us, viewers who are expecting Inoue - Casimero fight but was canceled due to the pandemic. It would be an interesting fight since the curiousness of whether Casimero can win against Inoue is still unanswered.

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For sure will go on Inoue this time because I think he is much stronger than Butler since he is young fast and have killer punch which can totally knock out his opponent.

Everytime Inoue has a fight, the majority of the fans are rooting him to win, so it's not a surprise because he is the better fighter here based on their stats in comparison. Actually, fans are not discussing on who will win, they are discussing on how Inoue will win.

That is obvious, who among us fans wanted their boxer to lose? It is that Inoue had proven himself many times that he is really a monster in the ring making us think that there is so little chance for his opponent to beat him. It was Donaire who I think can beat Inoue but then the latter totally destroyed the Filipino flash on their rematch.

Donaire has the power as well, unfortunately, he is already not in his prime, so I'm not surprised that Inoue destroyed him in the rematch. The closest challenger I think would give Inoue some problem is Casimero, however, due to his careless action, he got stripped with his belt.

Yes, it wasn't that surprising that Donaire was defeated but what's surprising is how Inoue defeated the Filipino Flash in just mere 2 rounds, I mean, I wasn't expecting that to happen but Inoue did it anyway. That only shows that he improved for the better and that makes him almost invulnerable because he mastered his offensive and defensive skills.

Casimero on the other hand, it's very unfortunate what happened to him because we are speculating about them last time that maybe it was him who will give the monster some challenge. But I guess our only last chance to see them inside the ring is if they will climb the next weight class.

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For sure will go on Inoue this time because I think he is much stronger than Butler since he is young fast and have killer punch which can totally knock out his opponent.

Everytime Inoue has a fight, the majority of the fans are rooting him to win, so it's not a surprise because he is the better fighter here based on their stats in comparison. Actually, fans are not discussing on who will win, they are discussing on how Inoue will win.

That is obvious, who among us fans wanted their boxer to lose? It is that Inoue had proven himself many times that he is really a monster in the ring making us think that there is so little chance for his opponent to beat him. It was Donaire who I think can beat Inoue but then the latter totally destroyed the Filipino flash on their rematch.

Donaire has the power as well, unfortunately, he is already not in his prime, so I'm not surprised that Inoue destroyed him in the rematch. The closest challenger I think would give Inoue some problem is Casimero, however, due to his careless action, he got stripped with his belt.

Even if Donaire is in his prime, I think Inoue can still beat him, but maybe not as easy as he beat in their rematch. Well, for sure Donaire is going to retire soon while Inoue is a rising superstar, so we still have a lot of fights to expect from the monster. If he decides to move up, then it will only make his career more exciting as he will face bigger challenges in heavier division.

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For sure will go on Inoue this time because I think he is much stronger than Butler since he is young fast and have killer punch which can totally knock out his opponent.

Everytime Inoue has a fight, the majority of the fans are rooting him to win, so it's not a surprise because he is the better fighter here based on their stats in comparison. Actually, fans are not discussing on who will win, they are discussing on how Inoue will win.

That is obvious, who among us fans wanted their boxer to lose? It is that Inoue had proven himself many times that he is really a monster in the ring making us think that there is so little chance for his opponent to beat him. It was Donaire who I think can beat Inoue but then the latter totally destroyed the Filipino flash on their rematch.

Donaire has the power as well, unfortunately, he is already not in his prime, so I'm not surprised that Inoue destroyed him in the rematch. The closest challenger I think would give Inoue some problem is Casimero, however, due to his careless action, he got stripped with his belt.

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I also think that the coming match between Inoue and Butler will have a high percentage of ending in a KO. Looking at all angles, Inoue has the advantage but we should always be open for an upset win which I think has a very low chance of happening.

Very obvious, some of the indicators why KO is most likely the result are.

1-Inoue is a KO artist. of the 23 fights, 20 of that are won by KO
ref - https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/628407

2-Inoue is the heavy favorite, so it's gonna be KO or TKO because Butler might not able to continue.

Yes and in Inoue's last fight, he completely destroyed Donaire in just 2 rounds, so talk about not just simply knocking out his opponent, he is taking them down in less than 7.5 rounds.

So if Butler survived the full 12 rounds, that's already a big accomplishment for him because it's very tough to hang with Inoue because of his power in both hands.

Butler should learn a lesson from Donaire's loss. Donaire doesn't run that much even if he is already hurt. He also doesn't clinch that much even if the situation badly calls for it. He still trade blows even if dizzy after being hit with a strong one. Butler should know that Naoya Inoue isn't being called the monster for no reason. Naoya is indeed a monster with his very strong punches. But I don't think it is good for a fighter to just think of surviving the match. It's a wrong mindset. Butler should enter the ring to win. His team must have already devised a plan on how to do it.

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I also think that the coming match between Inoue and Butler will have a high percentage of ending in a KO. Looking at all angles, Inoue has the advantage but we should always be open for an upset win which I think has a very low chance of happening.

Very obvious, some of the indicators why KO is most likely the result are.

1-Inoue is a KO artist. of the 23 fights, 20 of that are won by KO
ref - https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/628407

2-Inoue is the heavy favorite, so it's gonna be KO or TKO because Butler might not able to continue.

Yes and in Inoue's last fight, he completely destroyed Donaire in just 2 rounds, so talk about not just simply knocking out his opponent, he is taking them down in less than 7.5 rounds.

So if Butler survived the full 12 rounds, that's already a big accomplishment for him because it's very tough to hang with Inoue because of his power in both hands.

Butler has shown his quickness in his previous fight, he can run, so I think it's a good recipe to survive against Inoue. And since it's an undisputed fight, judges will certainly choose the boxer who is more active to win, just in case Butler will survive, he will still not gonna win.

Well, I think Inoue to win by KO has lower odds than Inoue to win by decision, just my wild guess.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on September 22, 2022, 03:36:04 PM

I also think that the coming match between Inoue and Butler will have a high percentage of ending in a KO. Looking at all angles, Inoue has the advantage but we should always be open for an upset win which I think has a very low chance of happening.

Very obvious, some of the indicators why KO is most likely the result are.

1-Inoue is a KO artist. of the 23 fights, 20 of that are won by KO
ref - https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/628407

2-Inoue is the heavy favorite, so it's gonna be KO or TKO because Butler might not able to continue.

Yes and in Inoue's last fight, he completely destroyed Donaire in just 2 rounds, so talk about not just simply knocking out his opponent, he is taking them down in less than 7.5 rounds.

So if Butler survived the full 12 rounds, that's already a big accomplishment for him because it's very tough to hang with Inoue because of his power in both hands.

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Quote from: lionheart78 on September 22, 2022, 03:36:04 PM

I also think that the coming match between Inoue and Butler will have a high percentage of ending in a KO. Looking at all angles, Inoue has the advantage but we should always be open for an upset win which I think has a very low chance of happening.

Very obvious, some of the indicators why KO is most likely the result are.

1-Inoue is a KO artist. of the 23 fights, 20 of that are won by KO
ref - https://boxrec.com/en/box-pro/628407

2-Inoue is the heavy favorite, so it's gonna be KO or TKO because Butler might not able to continue.

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For sure will go on Inoue this time because I think he is much stronger than Butler since he is young fast and have killer punch which can totally knock out his opponent.

Everytime Inoue has a fight, the majority of the fans are rooting him to win, so it's not a surprise because he is the better fighter here based on their stats in comparison. Actually, fans are not discussing on who will win, they are discussing on how Inoue will win.

That is obvious, who among us fans wanted their boxer to lose? It is that Inoue had proven himself many times that he is really a monster in the ring making us think that there is so little chance for his opponent to beat him. It was Donaire who I think can beat Inoue but then the latter totally destroyed the Filipino flash on their rematch.

Quote from: Kelvinid on September 22, 2022, 08:02:24 AM

Let's stop talking about Canelo here, he is great, no question about that but Inoue is still undefeated and he is gonna be the undisputed champion by December 13. I'm expecting another impressive win, most likely a KO as Inoue is just too powerful in this division, and actually, it was only Donaire gave him a little problem but he was able to dominate him in the rematch.

True, we have a general boxing discussion thread where we can discuss different boxers, this thread has its purpose and it is indicated in the title.

I also think that the coming match between Inoue and Butler will have a high percentage of ending in a KO. Looking at all angles, Inoue has the advantage but we should always be open for an upset win which I think has a very low chance of happening.

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So this might be the same, Butler chances are very slim to pull an upset. For sure Inoue is already looking for the future and could move to the next weight class after getting the belt from Butler because he has clean this division already.

Naoya Inoue is even capable of moving up to Featherweight now. He can destroy those mid-ranks.

This fight is a formal way for Naoya Inoue to become the undisputed champion in the Bantamweight.

Featherweight champions might be waiting for Inoue or if anything else, they hoped the Monster won't moved up weight.

Well, there's indeed no reason for him to stay at the bantamweight anymore after this fight because he already secured all the belts in his possession, he could choose and climb between super-bantam or featherweight division if he wanted to and unify the existing belts there. I bet the fighters there will be much challenging for the current Inoue.

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So this might be the same, Butler chances are very slim to pull an upset. For sure Inoue is already looking for the future and could move to the next weight class after getting the belt from Butler because he has clean this division already.

Naoya Inoue is even capable of moving up to Featherweight now. He can destroy those mid-ranks.

This fight is a formal way for Naoya Inoue to become the undisputed champion in the Bantamweight.

Featherweight champions might be waiting for Inoue or if anything else, they hoped the Monster won't moved up weight.

Those which become undisputed champions of their division are feeling the pressure to moving up instead of remaining on their divisions, and while this has worked for some there are others which may not have the necessary tools to do so, and I think one example of this is Canelo, Canelo beat GGG during their third encounter and now it seems he may want to face Bivol again on the light heavyweight division, and while I admire his desire to keep pushing forward Bivol dominated him completely during their first fight and I expect the same result if they fight again.

I would not underestimate Canelo, he can improve and we might be surprised that he will beat Bivol. Canelo is not over yet, he is very ambitious and even if he will lose again, fans will still respect him because he is not afraid to take new challenges, unlike other boxers who remained on their comfort zone.

Let's stop talking about Canelo here, he is great, no question about that but Inoue is still undefeated and he is gonna be the undisputed champion by December 13. I'm expecting another impressive win, most likely a KO as Inoue is just too powerful in this division, and actually, it was only Donaire gave him a little problem but he was able to dominate him in the rematch.

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Quote from: chaser15 on September 21, 2022, 06:59:19 PM

Quote from: btc_angela on September 21, 2022, 06:31:08 AM

So this might be the same, Butler chances are very slim to pull an upset. For sure Inoue is already looking for the future and could move to the next weight class after getting the belt from Butler because he has clean this division already.

Naoya Inoue is even capable of moving up to Featherweight now. He can destroy those mid-ranks.

This fight is a formal way for Naoya Inoue to become the undisputed champion in the Bantamweight.

Featherweight champions might be waiting for Inoue or if anything else, they hoped the Monster won't moved up weight.

Those which become undisputed champions of their division are feeling the pressure to moving up instead of remaining on their divisions, and while this has worked for some there are others which may not have the necessary tools to do so, and I think one example of this is Canelo, Canelo beat GGG during their third encounter and now it seems he may want to face Bivol again on the light heavyweight division, and while I admire his desire to keep pushing forward Bivol dominated him completely during their first fight and I expect the same result if they fight again.

I would not underestimate Canelo, he can improve and we might be surprised that he will beat Bivol. Canelo is not over yet, he is very ambitious and even if he will lose again, fans will still respect him because he is not afraid to take new challenges, unlike other boxers who remained on their comfort zone.

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So this might be the same, Butler chances are very slim to pull an upset. For sure Inoue is already looking for the future and could move to the next weight class after getting the belt from Butler because he has clean this division already.

Naoya Inoue is even capable of moving up to Featherweight now. He can destroy those mid-ranks.

This fight is a formal way for Naoya Inoue to become the undisputed champion in the Bantamweight.

Featherweight champions might be waiting for Inoue or if anything else, they hoped the Monster won't moved up weight.

Those which become undisputed champions of their division are feeling the pressure to moving up instead of remaining on their divisions, and while this has worked for some there are others which may not have the necessary tools to do so, and I think one example of this is Canelo, Canelo beat GGG during their third encounter and now it seems he may want to face Bivol again on the light heavyweight division, and while I admire his desire to keep pushing forward Bivol dominated him completely during their first fight and I expect the same result if they fight again.

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Quote from: chaser15 on September 21, 2022, 06:59:19 PM

Quote from: btc_angela on September 21, 2022, 06:31:08 AM

So this might be the same, Butler chances are very slim to pull an upset. For sure Inoue is already looking for the future and could move to the next weight class after getting the belt from Butler because he has clean this division already.

Naoya Inoue is even capable of moving up to Featherweight now. He can destroy those mid-ranks.

This fight is a formal way for Naoya Inoue to become the undisputed champion in the Bantamweight.

Featherweight champions might be waiting for Inoue or if anything else, they hoped the Monster won't moved up weight.

maybe that is the next step? he just wanted to make a complete name in Bantamweight before heading to Featherweight to make another name , this is how Inoue's future seems to happen because let us admit that His power and capacity is not for a single division instead for growing challenge , if happens that he will gain more height and reach? there is no doubt that he'll come further to the highest division he can get.

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Quote from: btc_angela on September 21, 2022, 06:31:08 AM

So this might be the same, Butler chances are very slim to pull an upset. For sure Inoue is already looking for the future and could move to the next weight class after getting the belt from Butler because he has clean this division already.

Naoya Inoue is even capable of moving up to Featherweight now. He can destroy those mid-ranks.

This fight is a formal way for Naoya Inoue to become the undisputed champion in the Bantamweight.

Featherweight champions might be waiting for Inoue or if anything else, they hoped the Monster won't moved up weight.

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Right now I see things very complicated, especially for betting, I have seen how many people wait for the statistics, to give themselves a guide of what they can do, but who can the money and will risk it is ourselves as bettors, I in In case I do my personal research, that includes doing research online, interviews, something you may have seen, maybe some kind of training videos, everything that has to do with boxers.

Is that statement of yours referring to betting in this particular right?

There's no need to complicate everything. Research about this fight is nonsense as the result is very clear. Depends on the betting line, I doubt bookies will open a betting for Inoue winning by TKO in a matter of 6 rounds with decent odds.

Odds for Inoue winning by TKO in the early rounds maybe will just be around 1.4 - 1.5.

We will find out this December, right now, the only available odds are the moneyline odds which is 1.02 for Inoue per my bookie. Maybe bettors will just be predicting which round Inoue will KO Butler as most likely Inoue will again win by KO. I believe he can do it with Butler as he does it with Donaire which is a better fighter than Butler IMO.

Yes, betting options are still limited but in my own speculation, the odds for Inoue winning by KO regardless of the round, are not that high.

I might skip betting on this fight as knowing Butler, he even has a chance to be KO at Round 1.

It's hard to analyze this kind of matchup in terms of what round it will end by Inoue.

That's a straight real talk you got there, mate! Cheesy

I wouldn't even argue with you about that, Butler has indeed a high chance that he will get defeated and KO'd right at the start of Round 1. Throwing some spare cash on Butler's side may not be a bad idea after all but that is like betting on a jackpot that doesn't really happen often but if that happens, the fruit you'll harvest on that bet you did will be so sweet! Although, based on chances, Inoue have a 90% rate that he'll be the undisputed boxer at the end of the day.

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Quote from: Smartprofit on September 21, 2022, 12:27:34 AM

Naoya has every chance to win by technical knockout.

Much better if it will be knockout, but doesn't makes any difference I guess, as you have said, he is used to winning, not just against so so boxers, but he has face the best bantamweight and no one could beat him even at their best performance.

So this might be the same, Butler chances are very slim to pull an upset. For sure Inoue is already looking for the future and could move to the next weight class after getting the belt from Butler because he has clean this division already.

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Quote from: Smartprofit on September 21, 2022, 12:27:34 AM

He is used to always winning. He constantly trains and constantly participates in fights with other boxers. In addition, he has a crushing blow. They didn't call him the Monster for nothing.

This is the real advantage of Inoue, his knock out percentage is really high,

He will keep on throwing punches till the put his opponent down. Butler might survive if he will not dwell with toe-to-toe exchanges of punches, But once Inoue manage to box him and he will try to counter back, it will be a big problem for Butler, he's known for being defensive but one single mistake that will give Inoue an opening the monster will bring him down.

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Japanese boxer Naoya Inoue has a big advantage over English boxer Paul Butler.

First, the Japanese boxer is much younger. He is 29 years old. The English boxer is 5 years older. secondly, Naoya is not used to losing in boxing matches.

He is used to always winning. He constantly trains and constantly participates in fights with other boxers. In addition, he has a crushing blow. They didn't call him the Monster for nothing.

In my opinion, a boxing match between a Japanese and an Englishman will end with a victory for the Japanese. Naoya has every chance to win by technical knockout.

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