Topic: [Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight title - page 12. (Read 4344 times)

The fact that he is getting old is something that cannot be treated as something useless, he is a person, he is a boxer who will always give people something to talk about , in fact his resistance can be compromised because he is not the same body, the People when they are young is something else, but when they get old, they don't see their trajectory , personally I think that Donaire should be given the opportunity to do Things, give them their fights , and show them up when they don't do things, yes If they gave him fights, he could once and for all see if it works or not, but if poor Nonito Donaire can't get at least one fight, how are they going to get him out of the world without opportunities? I think we are all getting old and they don't give the importance to the players , Boxers that they should , but Rather as something that is no longer Useful.


Well , the case of Donaire is somewhat sad, and I don't know why they don't support him, I know that the business model is absolutely radical when they know that it won't give them the money they want or want, because for me the main thing here It is that things when it comes to boxers and sport should come first, but of course, I imagine that the market study with a Nonito fight does not give or meet the financial expectations that they foresee , so if this is the case , they will not They will give importance to NOnito, in fact I think Nonito can fight because of the pressure his fans have, otherwise I think he will continue looking for a fight.

I don't know about Moloney if they are orders under which he doesn't want to fight, or because in reality it bothers him to fight against him, a boxer shouldn't forget where he comes from, he shouldn't forget that rematches and fights have to take place. give, today they may be at the top, but not tomorrow , at the lowest peak , so that is why a boxer must always give his all and be ready for any fight.

Even the fighter that Moloney fought is not a champion, when Inoue left the Bantamweight division, all the belts were vacated. Therefore, Moloney had the opportunity to choose any boxer for a championship fight. It's just unfortunate that he passed on fighting Donaire and instead opted for an easier opponent.

Santiago is not nameless, but I do agree that Donaire is just above any fighter in this division and this is probably one reason why Moloney doesn't want to fight him for the belt and instead go on easy route although they could be hiding on the excuse that Bob Arum has said, they don't want to deal with Probellum that time.

In any case, perhaps it was a good decision for Moloney as he is not a champion. But then again Donaire has also a greater chance to win as well if we look at the current odds, he is the favorite here.

Yes, I'm still with him as long as he is still active to the sports and especially this time that he will be fighting a somewhat nameless boxer who doesn't have any strong names in his records. No offense to Santiago's fans but I just don't see him winning even if he also have some advantages because for me, IQ and experience are the greatest upper hand that a boxer can have because sometimes, talent is working that hard to help you survive from a fight.

Donaire certainly knows what he is doing. The only fighter who managed to defeat him in the bantamweight division was Inoue. Interestingly, even after their first fight, Donaire continued to compete against younger boxers and successfully won the belt. Therefore, it is reasonable to expect that Donaire will bring the same level of skill and determination to his upcoming fight. We might even witness his signature knockout against a lesser-known boxer.

You guys aren't confident betting on Donaire to win by KO?

The speed and power is still there and even his timing, it's that Inoue was too great and knows what Donaire can bring in the table and he is ready for that.


That's why others think that Santiago has a good chance as Donaire might be a damage goods at 40 years old. But we can't say that for now, unless in the fight he shows his age, like his speed and power is no longer there. And then brutally getting knockout. If that happens then maybe it's time for him to retire and hang up his gloves for good.

Yeah as he fought Donaire during his prime while Doniare in the first match was at rest for a long time.

Then in the rematch we all witness that age already against Donaire, his speed is no longer the same and that wrong decision
to go for a toe-to-toe confrontation with Inoue, something that led him to kiss the ring in the early round.

Though, against Santiago which far different from Inoue, we might see Donaire to excel he might be aging but still have that
skills and capabilities to match up with the young contender.

The public would indeed understand and, in fact, it wouldn't be surprising if they commend his courage for continuing to fight even in his 40s. His career is far from over, especially if he chooses to compete in divisions where he feels most comfortable. There is a significant possibility that he will continue to dominate in those divisions.

If he eventually decides to retire, I am confident that he will feel fulfilled based on his records and achievements.

Donaire is a four-weight-division world champion

The kind of excuse Nonito might give in case he loses is expected and somewhat acceptable, considering that it's already a bonus in his career that he is still fighting at his age. However, we all know that Donaire is not fond of making excuses. So, if he were to lose, he might just hang up his gloves and retire from the sport.

I think Josh Taylor has accepted his defeat already, perhaps he is just giving us what really happen to the fight and why he lost. Unless he is man up enough to accept his defeat. As compare to the Lopez's when Kambosos beat Teo, up to this day they still think that they have won that fight.

And if Donaire losses this fight, then we might attribute it to his age. But if he wins, then we can say that he can still fight at high level and welcoming all challenges for his belt. So it's going to be the same, there are reasons, why boxers think they losses a fight.

There's a significant gap between Inoue and Santiago. Inoue has held the championship in the division for quite some time, while Santiago is currently just a contender. In fact, both Donaire and Santiago are contenders fighting for the vacant belt that Inoue left behind. It's undeniable that Inoue stands out in the discussion because there hasn't been a fighter who comes close to his skills, except perhaps for Casimero.

Donaire loves to brawl, and he still believes in his power. I think he is more superior to Santiago. Inoue, on the other hand, is in a different class. He possesses both power and speed, which is why he has been extremely dominant. Now, it's Donaire's time to shine. Despite his age, although some have doubts about his ability to dominate, personally, I believe he can become a unified champion if the organizations make fights like that happen.

He needs to use his experienced wisely, unlike with how he plans his strategy against Inoue,

This time he needs to lean with his experienced and not to engage that much with Santiago, he needs to use his
timing, as we know how good he is when observing his opponent and take that surprise attack to put it down.

Donaire still winning here from my own take, Santiago's capability is not the same or far from how Inoue dominated
this division.

That's how boxers is, if they lost they have to find loopholes in them and say excuses. But I guess that was normal though, even if real life we also find excuses if we don't succeed. The best thing to do is comeback a better fighter if Taylor wanted to move to 147 lbs.

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For this fight, we have been discussing Donaire's age as a factor or non-factor.

Some of us see this as a major issue for Donaire now, as seen how brutal he as knockout by Inoue and it might hard for him to make a comeback. But there are majority who says that age is not a concern for Donaire, as he can still have the power and he has the experience in this fight. For me, I'm leaning towards the latter, I still see Donaire winning here.

I think that's one way to look at it but considering the fact that Donaire is still eager to fight in the ring means that he is still confident that he can make a difference and become a champion once again. Age is a factor, yes, but not that wholly that it will be a huge factor to determine who will win because even if he's not that flashy anymore, he can still give a good punch that one can be KOd if they are caught off guard.

Donaire is having an Age which means it will matters on his performances because we all know how the boxing industries work upon them. And as we saw that Donaire now is slower than before which is when he is in his prime we can see a good and veteran donaire in the ring. A super good counter punches leads him a good record in his career. But now I don't think so if he can still fight a good fight as we all know that age can matters.

Definitely, this is what he said during his lose on their rematch.


Inoue should be excluded from the discussion because he is truly exceptional. If we want to witness genuine competition where the outcome is uncertain, we should remove Inoue from the equation.

That was just an excuse in my opinion. Although he was the favorite to win, it's very clear how Lopez dominated him. Lopez was the stronger fighter in that match. Instead of making excuses, he should accept his losses and consider moving up if he struggles with his weight. He should also give credit to Lopez for performing well.

Nonito is different, though. He doesn't make excuses and continues to fight despite having lost many fights already.

It's just fair though, I mean he is the younger fighter here, so definitely in paper he looks good as he might have the advantage. And we will have to see Donaire coming off from that huge lost to Inoue. We will have to see if he still can put up a good fight and can pull the trigger.


If we are talking about upset yes it does happen, but if you compare it to Lopez vs Taylor, it's very different. As Taylor admitted after fight that he has issues making the 140 lbs. So in this fight the upset was because of the weight as his body can't take that and so his performance are affected.

It's possible that there could be upsets, we can't discount that thing specially if Santiago shows great resiliency and in the best version of himself. And then we are going to see how Donaire is, maybe he is in shape but perhaps due to age he might be a different fighter now.

Donaire needs to be active and doesn't want to go on long lay-offs, but he could be training even before the actual released of the official fight. So we will see if there will be another upset in the making or Donaire having a belt again.