Topic: [Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight title - page 10. (Read 4409 times)

Quote from: Distinctin on July 09, 2023, 07:38:25 AM

Quote from: dothebeats on July 09, 2023, 06:54:58 PM

However, if you are just looking for the underdog bet, regardless on who will it be or what fight it is then Santiago ML will be enough, just saying.

That's suicidal thinking. Knowing Donaire, I'm sure he still has a lot to offer and can dominate the division. Santiago may be younger, but he doesn't possess the skills and experience that Donaire has. If we're just after attractive odds, we should consider going for a KO per round range bet, as most of the time the odds are higher than +200.

I know, I'm just saying though, maybe there could be fans of Alejandro that is willing to take the rest and very happy to see that their boy is the underdog. So I don't think that they will think it as a suicide bet.

Of course, as fans of Donaire on the other hand, we will think that there is no value in betting with Alejandro as we think that Donaire can still pull the trigger and make this fight exciting or dominate it and not let the fight goes to the hands of the judges to score it. Already fight week so for sure majority of us will spare some of our BTC in this fight.

No doubt about that because if we are on their shoes and Nonito Donaire is on the underdog corner, I'd bet that many of us here who are supporting him will be glad that he is listed that way because that will mean that Donaire's odds are juicy and not the other way around. In this fight, it's the opposite though but that is fine by me as I'm not really inclined to bet on ML if my boxer is on the favorite side.

Correct. If we are in their shoes and we have seen that our favorite figure is listed as an underdog suredeal, we will quickly
We place our bet because we believe that it will bring us decent profits.

Same thing with how Santiago's fans will react, we can't remove the fact that there are people or fans out there who are believing that upset
can happen as it's boxing, and there's no guarantee.

Let's see what will happen, almost the fight schedule. it allows you to either advance your bet or wait for more available odds.

Yup, that gives us less than one week to place our bets towards this fight and for me, I'll be patiently waiting for the other options like the range of the fight and what would be the outcome as it will likely open in less than 48 hours. I'll try to remember the date because we never know, this might be the last fight of Nonito Donaire regardless of the result and for sure I cannot let that slide.

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Quote from: mirakal on July 09, 2023, 01:18:21 PM

Quote from: Distinctin on July 09, 2023, 07:38:25 AM

However, if you are just looking for the underdog bet, regardless on who will it be or what fight it is then Santiago ML will be enough, just saying.

That's suicidal thinking. Knowing Donaire, I'm sure he still has a lot to offer and can dominate the division. Santiago may be younger, but he doesn't possess the skills and experience that Donaire has. If we're just after attractive odds, we should consider going for a KO per round range bet, as most of the time the odds are higher than +200.

In my sportsbook, Alejandro Santiago's odds are 2.31x and if you're inclined for some adventure in your bets like betting towards the underdog then that would be the line for you as Donaire's line are much lower ranging from 1.5x - 1.7x. Besides, I agree that it would be beneficial for us bettors because I don't think that an upset is going to happen in this fight, I know that it is not a guaranteed win but Donaire's chances are much greater compared to his foe.

I'd take that Donaire's bet just to be on the safe side. While the dude may be older (as I have stated on my previous posts), he still has a lot of techniques and skill developed over the years of boxing professionally. Santiago's relatively young, and though he may have more stamina and can tank more punches, I doubt he can defeat Donaire in terms of speed and footwork. 1.5x - 1.7x odds aren't too bad for a favorite, especially if that favorite is one of the legends in the ring. That defeat to Inoue might have set him back in the eyes of bookmakers, but he is undoubtedly one of the most vicious fighters in the bantamweight division currently.

Experience wise, Donaire still has it, and even if Santiago is young, I think Donaire might be able to take his punch and then throw some of his left hooks though. And as boxers ages, obviously comes experienced. So Donaire has a big boxing IQ because of his years in the pro ranks and it could really help him in this fight specially if this becomes to close and might end up in the judges scorecard.

So a ML bet could also be good bet instead of waiting for more attractive odds to be listed. Just a few more days if I'm not mistaken right?

Gonna be another good weekends for boxing fans around the world.

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Quote from: Distinctin on July 09, 2023, 07:38:25 AM

However, if you are just looking for the underdog bet, regardless on who will it be or what fight it is then Santiago ML will be enough, just saying.

That's suicidal thinking. Knowing Donaire, I'm sure he still has a lot to offer and can dominate the division. Santiago may be younger, but he doesn't possess the skills and experience that Donaire has. If we're just after attractive odds, we should consider going for a KO per round range bet, as most of the time the odds are higher than +200.

I know, I'm just saying though, maybe there could be fans of Alejandro that is willing to take the rest and very happy to see that their boy is the underdog. So I don't think that they will think it as a suicide bet.

Those who love high reward can bet for the underdog. Besides it is normal in boxing to have an upset win which often happens when a younger boxer labeled as an underdog fight against an aged boxer who is way past his prime. Just remember the Paquiao - Dela Hoya fight, I believe Manny won't stand a chance if Dela Hoya is in his prime.

Quote from: mirakal on July 09, 2023, 01:18:21 PM

Of course, as fans of Donaire on the other hand, we will think that there is no value in betting with Alejandro as we think that Donaire can still pull the trigger and make this fight exciting or dominate it and not let the fight goes to the hands of the judges to score it. Already fight week so for sure majority of us will spare some of our BTC in this fight.

It is obvious as a fan and wanted to support Donaire, we will still bet on Donaire even if Alejandro is capable of beating Donaire. I still think that it is too early to say that Alejandro is not capable of beating Donaire, we don't know how Alejandro prepares for this fight and it is obvious that the guy is serious and probably has something in his sleeves that can defeat Donaire. He may probably surprise us, I don't know but considering upset wins frequently happen in boxing, so we cannot be 100% confident that Donaire will end up the victor of the fight.

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Quote from: Distinctin on July 09, 2023, 07:38:25 AM

Quote from: Maslate on July 09, 2023, 03:43:56 PM

However, if you are just looking for the underdog bet, regardless on who will it be or what fight it is then Santiago ML will be enough, just saying.

That's suicidal thinking. Knowing Donaire, I'm sure he still has a lot to offer and can dominate the division. Santiago may be younger, but he doesn't possess the skills and experience that Donaire has. If we're just after attractive odds, we should consider going for a KO per round range bet, as most of the time the odds are higher than +200.

In my sportsbook, Alejandro Santiago's odds are 2.31x and if you're inclined for some adventure in your bets like betting towards the underdog then that would be the line for you as Donaire's line are much lower ranging from 1.5x - 1.7x. Besides, I agree that it would be beneficial for us bettors because I don't think that an upset is going to happen in this fight, I know that it is not a guaranteed win but Donaire's chances are much greater compared to his foe.

I'd take that Donaire's bet just to be on the safe side. While the dude may be older (as I have stated on my previous posts), he still has a lot of techniques and skill developed over the years of boxing professionally. Santiago's relatively young, and though he may have more stamina and can tank more punches, I doubt he can defeat Donaire in terms of speed and footwork. 1.5x - 1.7x odds aren't too bad for a favorite, especially if that favorite is one of the legends in the ring. That defeat to Inoue might have set him back in the eyes of bookmakers, but he is undoubtedly one of the most vicious fighters in the bantamweight division currently.

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Quote from: Distinctin on July 09, 2023, 07:38:25 AM

Quote from: Maslate on July 09, 2023, 03:43:56 PM

However, if you are just looking for the underdog bet, regardless on who will it be or what fight it is then Santiago ML will be enough, just saying.

That's suicidal thinking. Knowing Donaire, I'm sure he still has a lot to offer and can dominate the division. Santiago may be younger, but he doesn't possess the skills and experience that Donaire has. If we're just after attractive odds, we should consider going for a KO per round range bet, as most of the time the odds are higher than +200.

I know, I'm just saying though, maybe there could be fans of Alejandro that is willing to take the rest and very happy to see that their boy is the underdog. So I don't think that they will think it as a suicide bet.

Of course, as fans of Donaire on the other hand, we will think that there is no value in betting with Alejandro as we think that Donaire can still pull the trigger and make this fight exciting or dominate it and not let the fight goes to the hands of the judges to score it. Already fight week so for sure majority of us will spare some of our BTC in this fight.

No doubt about that because if we are on their shoes and Nonito Donaire is on the underdog corner, I'd bet that many of us here who are supporting him will be glad that he is listed that way because that will mean that Donaire's odds are juicy and not the other way around. In this fight, it's the opposite though but that is fine by me as I'm not really inclined to bet on ML if my boxer is on the favorite side.

Correct. If we are in their shoes and we have seen that our favorite figure is listed as an underdog suredeal, we will quickly
We place our bet because we believe that it will bring us decent profits.

Same thing with how Santiago's fans will react, we can't remove the fact that there are people or fans out there who are believing that upset
can happen as it's boxing, and there's no guarantee.

Let's see what will happen, almost the fight schedule. it allows you to either advance your bet or wait for more available odds.

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Quote from: Distinctin on July 09, 2023, 07:38:25 AM

However, if you are just looking for the underdog bet, regardless on who will it be or what fight it is then Santiago ML will be enough, just saying.

That's suicidal thinking. Knowing Donaire, I'm sure he still has a lot to offer and can dominate the division. Santiago may be younger, but he doesn't possess the skills and experience that Donaire has. If we're just after attractive odds, we should consider going for a KO per round range bet, as most of the time the odds are higher than +200.

I know, I'm just saying though, maybe there could be fans of Alejandro that is willing to take the rest and very happy to see that their boy is the underdog. So I don't think that they will think it as a suicide bet.

Of course, as fans of Donaire on the other hand, we will think that there is no value in betting with Alejandro as we think that Donaire can still pull the trigger and make this fight exciting or dominate it and not let the fight goes to the hands of the judges to score it. Already fight week so for sure majority of us will spare some of our BTC in this fight.

No doubt about that because if we are on their shoes and Nonito Donaire is on the underdog corner, I'd bet that many of us here who are supporting him will be glad that he is listed that way because that will mean that Donaire's odds are juicy and not the other way around. In this fight, it's the opposite though but that is fine by me as I'm not really inclined to bet on ML if my boxer is on the favorite side.

Fair point, because there are really fans that is going to support their fighters no matter what. When Nonito was the underdog against Inoue in the second fight, we didn't hesitate to pull the trigger and beat for him. For sure majority of us are disappointed with the results, but we have to accept it.

And then we are glad to see him fighting again and have a good chance to become a champion as he is the favorite in this fight. So will gladly pull the trigger and will be looking for more juicier odds for a KO win or per round range, or any odds that we think have value in return.

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Quote from: Distinctin on July 09, 2023, 07:38:25 AM

Quote from: Distinctin on July 09, 2023, 07:38:25 AM

However, if you are just looking for the underdog bet, regardless on who will it be or what fight it is then Santiago ML will be enough, just saying.

That's suicidal thinking. Knowing Donaire, I'm sure he still has a lot to offer and can dominate the division. Santiago may be younger, but he doesn't possess the skills and experience that Donaire has. If we're just after attractive odds, we should consider going for a KO per round range bet, as most of the time the odds are higher than +200.

I know, I'm just saying though, maybe there could be fans of Alejandro that is willing to take the rest and very happy to see that their boy is the underdog. So I don't think that they will think it as a suicide bet.

Of course, as fans of Donaire on the other hand, we will think that there is no value in betting with Alejandro as we think that Donaire can still pull the trigger and make this fight exciting or dominate it and not let the fight goes to the hands of the judges to score it. Already fight week so for sure majority of us will spare some of our BTC in this fight.

No doubt about that because if we are on their shoes and Nonito Donaire is on the underdog corner, I'd bet that many of us here who are supporting him will be glad that he is listed that way because that will mean that Donaire's odds are juicy and not the other way around. In this fight, it's the opposite though but that is fine by me as I'm not really inclined to bet on ML if my boxer is on the favorite side.

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Quote from: Distinctin on July 09, 2023, 07:38:25 AM

However, if you are just looking for the underdog bet, regardless on who will it be or what fight it is then Santiago ML will be enough, just saying.

That's suicidal thinking. Knowing Donaire, I'm sure he still has a lot to offer and can dominate the division. Santiago may be younger, but he doesn't possess the skills and experience that Donaire has. If we're just after attractive odds, we should consider going for a KO per round range bet, as most of the time the odds are higher than +200.

I know, I'm just saying though, maybe there could be fans of Alejandro that is willing to take the rest and very happy to see that their boy is the underdog. So I don't think that they will think it as a suicide bet.

Of course, as fans of Donaire on the other hand, we will think that there is no value in betting with Alejandro as we think that Donaire can still pull the trigger and make this fight exciting or dominate it and not let the fight goes to the hands of the judges to score it. Already fight week so for sure majority of us will spare some of our BTC in this fight.

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However, if you are just looking for the underdog bet, regardless on who will it be or what fight it is then Santiago ML will be enough, just saying.

That's suicidal thinking. Knowing Donaire, I'm sure he still has a lot to offer and can dominate the division. Santiago may be younger, but he doesn't possess the skills and experience that Donaire has. If we're just after attractive odds, we should consider going for a KO per round range bet, as most of the time the odds are higher than +200.

In my sportsbook, Alejandro Santiago's odds are 2.31x and if you're inclined for some adventure in your bets like betting towards the underdog then that would be the line for you as Donaire's line are much lower ranging from 1.5x - 1.7x. Besides, I agree that it would be beneficial for us bettors because I don't think that an upset is going to happen in this fight, I know that it is not a guaranteed win but Donaire's chances are much greater compared to his foe.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on July 08, 2023, 07:18:34 AM

However, if you are just looking for the underdog bet, regardless on who will it be or what fight it is then Santiago ML will be enough, just saying.

That's suicidal thinking. Knowing Donaire, I'm sure he still has a lot to offer and can dominate the division. Santiago may be younger, but he doesn't possess the skills and experience that Donaire has. If we're just after attractive odds, we should consider going for a KO per round range bet, as most of the time the odds are higher than +200.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on July 08, 2023, 07:02:51 AM

^^ We can't just compare era's though.

I was just looking at the betting line, and so far it hasn't move any, Nonito is still the favorite at 1.55. Unfortunately, there are no other options for now, it seems that ML is the only one listed by sports bookies.

Nevertheless, as the fight gets closer, there could be a lot of listing. Gonna be interested what will be the odds for Donaire winning by knockout though. It might be higher that the ML I guess.

That's guaranteed. We have to wait a bit, as eventually more betting options will become available. If Donaire is lucky enough to win, I believe it will be by KO, so I'm going to bet on him to win by KO. Maybe 6 rounds is the maximum number of rounds for him to secure that KO victory.

However, if you guys want to play it safe, I think 1.55 odds are already decent.

I agree, it should be a decent odds for some of us, specially big fans of Donaire, I'm not saying it's a sure money, but it's the value and smart bet.

But if we want to look for a good odds then we should wait a bit further as the ML might not be enough and not that attractive. Maybe the odds for winning via KO or even by decision should be decent enough. So we need more patience and wait for our favorite sports bookies to list it if is is not available as of now.

However, if you are just looking for the underdog bet, regardless on who will it be or what fight it is then Santiago ML will be enough, just saying.

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Quote from: Pamadar on July 08, 2023, 02:18:36 PM

Quote from: Ziskinberg on July 08, 2023, 07:18:34 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on July 08, 2023, 07:02:51 AM

^^ We can't just compare era's though.

I was just looking at the betting line, and so far it hasn't move any, Nonito is still the favorite at 1.55. Unfortunately, there are no other options for now, it seems that ML is the only one listed by sports bookies.

Nevertheless, as the fight gets closer, there could be a lot of listing. Gonna be interested what will be the odds for Donaire winning by knockout though. It might be higher that the ML I guess.

That's guaranteed. We have to wait a bit, as eventually more betting options will become available. If Donaire is lucky enough to win, I believe it will be by KO, so I'm going to bet on him to win by KO. Maybe 6 rounds is the maximum number of rounds for him to secure that KO victory.

However, if you guys want to play it safe, I think 1.55 odds are already decent.

Yes, @ 1.5x that's already decent if you wanted to play safe and you wanted to add some fun while watching for this fight.

Though if you are really aiming for a much bigger win, then it needed to wait till the actual schedule come up
and bookies provide additional odds. I go with a K.O under 6 rounds. I'm thinking that even Donaire was aging
if he will go for a KO, he will work his way in the early rounds.

We know Donaire's real chances against his foe and indeed that 1.5x is decent enough but considering the line, I can say that it is for high rollers but for bettors like me, it's not yet enough. That said, I'm still waiting for some movement even just for a bit like 1.70+ especially the new options that will be open in a matter of few days before the fight night.

I'm also looking forward to that KO option as that could be bigger than the moneyline and which round will the fight likely last as well.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on July 08, 2023, 07:18:34 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on July 08, 2023, 07:02:51 AM

^^ We can't just compare era's though.

I was just looking at the betting line, and so far it hasn't move any, Nonito is still the favorite at 1.55. Unfortunately, there are no other options for now, it seems that ML is the only one listed by sports bookies.

Nevertheless, as the fight gets closer, there could be a lot of listing. Gonna be interested what will be the odds for Donaire winning by knockout though. It might be higher that the ML I guess.

That's guaranteed. We have to wait a bit, as eventually more betting options will become available. If Donaire is lucky enough to win, I believe it will be by KO, so I'm going to bet on him to win by KO. Maybe 6 rounds is the maximum number of rounds for him to secure that KO victory.

However, if you guys want to play it safe, I think 1.55 odds are already decent.

Yes, @ 1.5x that's already decent if you wanted to play safe and you wanted to add some fun while watching for this fight.

Though if you are really aiming for a much bigger win, then it needed to wait till the actual schedule come up
and bookies provide additional odds. I go with a K.O under 6 rounds. I'm thinking that even Donaire was aging
if he will go for a KO, he will work his way in the early rounds.

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Quote from: btc_angela on July 06, 2023, 04:49:49 PM

Unlike in the 80's, maybe the era for most of us here who started to watch boxing. And then we see those legendary fights, even trilogy just to settle the score. Now it's a totally different era. And we really don't know who is really the best in the division unless they face each other.

The world has really changed; everything now is only about the money. Well, boxing is a form of entertainment, and those who entertain the people get paid. So, it's understandable that some boxers would evade opponents they think are hard to beat. That way, they can stay in the business for a long time and continue to make money. Nowadays, pride has already been replaced with price.

Again, another sad but true moments, that's why there could be some fans who really like what the 80-90's era of boxing as we have witnessed not just fights but rematch and trilogies without any barrier.

But now as you have said, if there is a fight, someone should be the A-side, meaning he will have the control of the negotiations, pure split and others, even rehydration clause and others. And with that, the other will have no choice but to give in to the demands and hopefully he can win so that in the rematch he will have the control.

Anyhow we are in July already, just a couple of weeks from this fight.

Yes, that is indeed undeniable and it's sounds reasonable enough because the boxing industry at that time was still on the phase of making its name in the whole world as it's not that yet modern at that time but now, it's totally different because they know that whatever they do, people will follow as long as the famous ones are moving to have their fights and any news can spread all over the world in just mere seconds.

We are just lucky enough to witness some of those good ol' fights in the golden era (80s-90s) because at that time, most boxers are not afraid to eat punches and their measurement of being a strong boxer is if they can eat punches as much as possible while standing face to face with each other and of course, who can deliver the most powerful punch.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on July 08, 2023, 07:02:51 AM

^^ We can't just compare era's though.

I was just looking at the betting line, and so far it hasn't move any, Nonito is still the favorite at 1.55. Unfortunately, there are no other options for now, it seems that ML is the only one listed by sports bookies.

Nevertheless, as the fight gets closer, there could be a lot of listing. Gonna be interested what will be the odds for Donaire winning by knockout though. It might be higher that the ML I guess.

That's guaranteed. We have to wait a bit, as eventually more betting options will become available. If Donaire is lucky enough to win, I believe it will be by KO, so I'm going to bet on him to win by KO. Maybe 6 rounds is the maximum number of rounds for him to secure that KO victory.

However, if you guys want to play it safe, I think 1.55 odds are already decent.

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^^ We can't just compare era's though.

I was just looking at the betting line, and so far it hasn't move any, Nonito is still the favorite at 1.55. Unfortunately, there are no other options for now, it seems that ML is the only one listed by sports bookies.

Nevertheless, as the fight gets closer, there could be a lot of listing. Gonna be interested what will be the odds for Donaire winning by knockout though. It might be higher that the ML I guess.

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Quote from: btc_angela on July 06, 2023, 04:49:49 PM

Unlike in the 80's, maybe the era for most of us here who started to watch boxing. And then we see those legendary fights, even trilogy just to settle the score. Now it's a totally different era. And we really don't know who is really the best in the division unless they face each other.

The world has really changed; everything now is only about the money. Well, boxing is a form of entertainment, and those who entertain the people get paid. So, it's understandable that some boxers would evade opponents they think are hard to beat. That way, they can stay in the business for a long time and continue to make money. Nowadays, pride has already been replaced with price.

That would be missed for sure and good thing that we saw those great fights rather on what we see these days. The only thing that matters to be honest was the gambling part considering most who's watching these fights do tend to gamble on their favorites. I think I can understand if a fighter doesn't the other one if they're strong but to fight an opponent just for the sake of money even if it isn't worth a fight to watch is really too lousy.

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Quote from: btc_angela on July 06, 2023, 04:49:49 PM

Unlike in the 80's, maybe the era for most of us here who started to watch boxing. And then we see those legendary fights, even trilogy just to settle the score. Now it's a totally different era. And we really don't know who is really the best in the division unless they face each other.

The world has really changed; everything now is only about the money. Well, boxing is a form of entertainment, and those who entertain the people get paid. So, it's understandable that some boxers would evade opponents they think are hard to beat. That way, they can stay in the business for a long time and continue to make money. Nowadays, pride has already been replaced with price.

Again, another sad but true moments, that's why there could be some fans who really like what the 80-90's era of boxing as we have witnessed not just fights but rematch and trilogies without any barrier.

But now as you have said, if there is a fight, someone should be the A-side, meaning he will have the control of the negotiations, pure split and others, even rehydration clause and others. And with that, the other will have no choice but to give in to the demands and hopefully he can win so that in the rematch he will have the control.

Anyhow we are in July already, just a couple of weeks from this fight.

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Quote from: btc_angela on July 06, 2023, 04:49:49 PM

Unlike in the 80's, maybe the era for most of us here who started to watch boxing. And then we see those legendary fights, even trilogy just to settle the score. Now it's a totally different era. And we really don't know who is really the best in the division unless they face each other.

The world has really changed; everything now is only about the money. Well, boxing is a form of entertainment, and those who entertain the people get paid. So, it's understandable that some boxers would evade opponents they think are hard to beat. That way, they can stay in the business for a long time and continue to make money. Nowadays, pride has already been replaced with price.

Agreeing to that as we all witnessing how money moves inside this sport,

More on how the handlers deals each fight and making sure that they've got the upper hand when dealing with their champs.
they have that option to make sure that the chance of winning is better for their fighters.

A sad truth that the pride was already replaced by price, unlike before when we are seeing those champions continue to
accept the challenger who can bring them to their maximum capabilities.

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Quote from: Kasabus on July 07, 2023, 02:54:24 PM

Now it's more on the business side and somehow, we can say that most of these boxers got their books and lessons from Mayweather Jr. because the renowned boxing champion maintained his glory days while also executing some of the tricks to retain his status and be undefeated until the day he retired, but the trouble is, we cannot say that he was really unstoppable during his time because he evaded some of them and then fought some boxers when they are already approaching the retirement phase.

That is what we called being smart. Mayweather when he is still pursuing for fame do not evade any boxer instead looks for the people who will make him more famous. It is that when he gain the popularity, he thinks he has the right amount that he can use as money making machine while keeping his record perfect so that his popularity and demand won't decline. I do not think that Mayweather is afraid of anyone but rather he is using his head and timing on when to fight one.

About boxing being business, it has been since early times.

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