[Boxing] Nonito Donaire vs Alejandro Santiago for WBC bantamweight title - page 23.

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Yes you are right that mate donaire's wife is a good businesswowan and for sure they can handle it with care. And if donaire will retire in the world of boxing then nonito can make his own promotion that he can trained many young amature boxer that have a dream to became one of the greatest boxer in the world. because as we can see in the Philippines there are many young man that have a good dream to fight in the ring.

He can train and he can influence the future of those young amateurs by using his former fame as one of the Champ in this sport, and with the way his wife handles his career, she can follow that pattern and build a new champ.

In training future champions, it is not the fame that helps but the experience accumulated by the trainor. Donaire can advise boxers or even teach methods on foot works, forms, counters, training etc. Fame cannot teach a boxer how to box but experience do.

Absolutely mate in the world of boxing Fame is not the main train or and we all know that. In donaire's Legacy once he pursues training some amateur boxers then he can teach his experience like sayings that ( experience is the best teacher) because through experience we can learn more things and one of these is if a boxer will lose then he learned a lot. Then in the next match, he avoids the times that happen in his last match so he needs to improve and use other techniques.

I guess that would be his goal one he hangs up his gloves and might be the reason why he's still fighting in the height of his 40s, well, apart from the fact that he can still fight impressively and might be next undisputed champion in bantamweight if he's lucky to unify the belts as fast as he can. As far as I know, Donaire already owned a gym in the Philippines with an aim to train aspiring boxers to be the future champions especially if they already got natural talents,, and then he also owned a gym located somewhere in California.

It is possible for him to unify the belts in this division. If he will continue winning, he can challenge the other belt holder and unify everything at his age. He still got that winning capability.

We are waiting for his upcoming fight and see if he will reclaim the belt and will try to negotiate while
he still has that power to continue winning, else, maybe we will see him retiring.

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Quote from: Japinat on April 22, 2023, 03:09:20 PM

apart from the fact that he can still fight impressively and might be next undisputed champion in bantamweight if he's lucky to unify the belts as fast as he can.

In Nonito Donaire's last 6 bouts within 5 years, it's only against Naoya Inoue he got defeated.

After his first defeat against Inoue, he reclaimed 2 winnings later on at the age of 38 and 39 with an impressive knockout win. I think that's the reason why he still wants to fight since Inoue is nowhere anymore in the Bantamweight specifically in the 122 lbs division.

I'm sure if he losses again at the hands of a boxer in the 122 aside from Inoue, he will now consider retiring from boxing and finally hang his gloves. Until then, he will just continue to fight and if he continues winning, maybe just targeting being an undisputed champion as his final target before retiring.

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Yes you are right that mate donaire's wife is a good businesswowan and for sure they can handle it with care. And if donaire will retire in the world of boxing then nonito can make his own promotion that he can trained many young amature boxer that have a dream to became one of the greatest boxer in the world. because as we can see in the Philippines there are many young man that have a good dream to fight in the ring.

He can train and he can influence the future of those young amateurs by using his former fame as one of the Champ in this sport, and with the way his wife handles his career, she can follow that pattern and build a new champ.

In training future champions, it is not the fame that helps but the experience accumulated by the trainor. Donaire can advise boxers or even teach methods on foot works, forms, counters, training etc. Fame cannot teach a boxer how to box but experience do.

Absolutely mate in the world of boxing Fame is not the main train or and we all know that. In donaire's Legacy once he pursues training some amateur boxers then he can teach his experience like sayings that ( experience is the best teacher) because through experience we can learn more things and one of these is if a boxer will lose then he learned a lot. Then in the next match, he avoids the times that happen in his last match so he needs to improve and use other techniques.

I guess that would be his goal one he hangs up his gloves and might be the reason why he's still fighting in the height of his 40s, well, apart from the fact that he can still fight impressively and might be next undisputed champion in bantamweight if he's lucky to unify the belts as fast as he can. As far as I know, Donaire already owned a gym in the Philippines with an aim to train aspiring boxers to be the future champions especially if they already got natural talents,, and then he also owned a gym located somewhere in California.

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Yes you are right that mate donaire's wife is a good businesswowan and for sure they can handle it with care. And if donaire will retire in the world of boxing then nonito can make his own promotion that he can trained many young amature boxer that have a dream to became one of the greatest boxer in the world. because as we can see in the Philippines there are many young man that have a good dream to fight in the ring.

He can train and he can influence the future of those young amateurs by using his former fame as one of the Champ in this sport, and with the way his wife handles his career, she can follow that pattern and build a new champ.

In training future champions, it is not the fame that helps but the experience accumulated by the trainor. Donaire can advise boxers or even teach methods on foot works, forms, counters, training etc. Fame cannot teach a boxer how to box but experience do.

Absolutely mate in the world of boxing Fame is not the main train or and we all know that. In donaire's Legacy once he pursues training some amateur boxers then he can teach his experience like sayings that ( experience is the best teacher) because through experience we can learn more things and one of these is if a boxer will lose then he learned a lot. Then in the next match, he avoids the times that happen in his last match so he needs to improve and use other techniques.

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I still wonder though why there is no update in this fight?

The weird thing is that when I check Donaire's boxrec, there's no future fight, usually when fighters have potential fight is will be shown in his record. But not in this case. So personally, I don't think that this fight is going to be made though. We don't know if Santiago and Donaire are even doing some negotiations right now. The point that Donaire is in the Philippines and then us talking about how business savvy Rachel Donaire is

makes me think that it might take some time or even the fight could not be done for this year.

Without a doubt this is odd, but I suspect that with 4 titles on dispute Donaire is not going to sit out and let someone else take the title shot instead of him, for Donaire is not important at all who he is fighting for the title, what matters is that he gets a shot at it, and it simply does not seem realistic for Donaire to wait until the next year to make this fight when the opportunity is right in front of him and his age is slowly becoming a factor which will hinder him.

And that is the point, why need for this fight to happen next year? WBC is the number 1 rank governing bodies amongst the current 4 organization. And if others could mandate their rank fighters to schedule a fight, so does WBC.

But the same question, doesn't make sense if Nonito will sit out the rest of the year, he is 40 years old and time is not on his side this one. I don't know if this is deliberate on the part of Santiago or anyone else in WBC, but something is not right here.

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Quote from: Silberman on April 22, 2023, 04:33:45 AM

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I still wonder though why there is no update in this fight?

The weird thing is that when I check Donaire's boxrec, there's no future fight, usually when fighters have potential fight is will be shown in his record. But not in this case. So personally, I don't think that this fight is going to be made though. We don't know if Santiago and Donaire are even doing some negotiations right now. The point that Donaire is in the Philippines and then us talking about how business savvy Rachel Donaire is

makes me think that it might take some time or even the fight could not be done for this year.

Without a doubt this is odd, but I suspect that with 4 titles on dispute Donaire is not going to sit out and let someone else take the title shot instead of him, for Donaire is not important at all who he is fighting for the title, what matters is that he gets a shot at it, and it simply does not seem realistic for Donaire to wait until the next year to make this fight when the opportunity is right in front of him and his age is slowly becoming a factor which will hinder him.

He will have his WBC title shot as he is the number 1 rank fighter in that division. It's just who he is going to be fighting for the belt. Alejandro Santiago's name pop up and so the WBC says that this is going to be their title fight.

However, after so many months of waiting, still it's not clear if this is a go or no go for Donaire.

And as we have been discussing, he is not getting any younger, and time is running out for him. This fight should be made this year.

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Quote from: Kemarit on April 21, 2023, 05:37:45 PM

I still wonder though why there is no update in this fight?

The weird thing is that when I check Donaire's boxrec, there's no future fight, usually when fighters have potential fight is will be shown in his record. But not in this case. So personally, I don't think that this fight is going to be made though. We don't know if Santiago and Donaire are even doing some negotiations right now. The point that Donaire is in the Philippines and then us talking about how business savvy Rachel Donaire is

makes me think that it might take some time or even the fight could not be done for this year.

Without a doubt this is odd, but I suspect that with 4 titles on dispute Donaire is not going to sit out and let someone else take the title shot instead of him, for Donaire is not important at all who he is fighting for the title, what matters is that he gets a shot at it, and it simply does not seem realistic for Donaire to wait until the next year to make this fight when the opportunity is right in front of him and his age is slowly becoming a factor which will hinder him.

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I still wonder though why there is no update in this fight?

The weird thing is that when I check Donaire's boxrec, there's no future fight, usually when fighters have potential fight is will be shown in his record. But not in this case. So personally, I don't think that this fight is going to be made though. We don't know if Santiago and Donaire are even doing some negotiations right now. The point that Donaire is in the Philippines and then us talking about how business savvy Rachel Donaire is

makes me think that it might take some time or even the fight could not be done for this year.

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Donaire wife had huge business experience, So if the Donaire itself get retired from the game. My opinion it doesn’t affect the Donaire family, many small boxers with less amount of matches and struggled to earn good money before retiring from game. They will surely impact the game, So every sports person should concentrate on their game and academics. Untill they shine like a star, they won’t earn huge from the boxing. I had come across the Billionaire boxer and boxer with less amount their own settlement after boxing. The second category players will not improve their strategies to earn good number of matches in their life time. Secondly they will not play more number of matches because of the less chances to win the game and due to his less power, strategy.

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Yes you are right that mate donaire's wife is a good businesswowan and for sure they can handle it with care. And if donaire will retire in the world of boxing then nonito can make his own promotion that he can trained many young amature boxer that have a dream to became one of the greatest boxer in the world. because as we can see in the Philippines there are many young man that have a good dream to fight in the ring.

He can train and he can influence the future of those young amateurs by using his former fame as one of the Champ in this sport, and with the way his wife handles his career, she can follow that pattern and build a new champ.

In training future champions, it is not the fame that helps but the experience accumulated by the trainor. Donaire can advise boxers or even teach methods on foot works, forms, counters, training etc. Fame cannot teach a boxer how to box but experience do.

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It's more on the way both Donaire and his wife will project this possibility, as long as they are both active
and both have the same views about the business. There's always a good possibility of success.

Well, it is known that the partner is knowledgeable about boxing, since Donaire had been in the industry for some decades and for sure they are well aware of the regulations, they can use their knowledge to continue participating in the boxing industry by managing a boxer or being a promoter and trainer. If they do their earnestly, I think this partner can create a champion among the youngster they are managing.

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Quote from: Shamm on April 21, 2023, 11:09:26 AM

Yes you are right that mate donaire's wife is a good businesswowan and for sure they can handle it with care. And if donaire will retire in the world of boxing then nonito can make his own promotion that he can trained many young amature boxer that have a dream to became one of the greatest boxer in the world. because as we can see in the Philippines there are many young man that have a good dream to fight in the ring.

He can train and he can influence the future of those young amateurs by using his former fame as one of the Champ in this sport, and with the way his wife handles his career, she can follow that pattern and build a new champ.

It's more on the way both Donaire and his wife will project this possibility, as long as they are both active
and both have the same views about the business. There's always a good possibility of success.

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As for his retirement, I doubt that, win or lose he will still continue to fight and bring more money to him and his wife. We also know that Rachel has somewhat takes care of their money and in their investments, so nothing to worry if even Nonito retires, he still some some money left and can sustain their family in a long time.

As long as he can make money, he will continue to fight. He might be old due to his age, but look at him. He still comes back after a brutal loss to Inoue. So, Donaire is really tough, and any boxer not on the level of Inoue might have a problem against an older Donaire.

According to the article below, he is already a millionaire in dollars. Therefore, he has a lot of money to start a business and invest.

https://surprisesports.com/athletes-biography/nonito-donaire-net-worth/

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Donaire has a net worth of $5 million as of 2023.

That's a lot of money in the Philippines. If it's converted into Philippine pesos, that would be almost 300 million pesos. Well, a business would really help to ensure the growth of that money and secure the future of the family. With that amount, Donaire could also start his own promotion company in the Philippines. That way, he would be able to grow his business and at the same time, help boxers with the potential to become champions.

Very possible that he and her wife will take that route. Aside from doing business after his retirement, he can also help newcomers to develop their skills and who knows opportunity will come and let them also be a champ.

With that huge amount of net worth, he can secure his family's future by putting / establishing good
business that he can relate in this sport.

Why not? as we have discussed Rachel seems to be a good businesswoman, after he handled Nonito's career, it seems that they got a good deal every Nonito's fight and then saving their money for investment and for their future.

So there is a possibility that they might invest on something in the Philippines, they have been in and out of the country for some time specially if Nonito doesn't have a big fight. It's just the question on what business or opportunity will the Donaire take the risk in the Philippines.

Yes you are right that mate donaire's wife is a good businesswowan and for sure they can handle it with care. And if donaire will retire in the world of boxing then nonito can make his own promotion that he can trained many young a mature boxer that have a dream to became one of the greatest boxer in the world. because as we can see in the Philippines there are many young man that have a good dream to fight in the ring.

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As for his retirement, I doubt that, win or lose he will still continue to fight and bring more money to him and his wife. We also know that Rachel has somewhat takes care of their money and in their investments, so nothing to worry if even Nonito retires, he still some some money left and can sustain their family in a long time.

As long as he can make money, he will continue to fight. He might be old due to his age, but look at him. He still comes back after a brutal loss to Inoue. So, Donaire is really tough, and any boxer not on the level of Inoue might have a problem against an older Donaire.

According to the article below, he is already a millionaire in dollars. Therefore, he has a lot of money to start a business and invest.

https://surprisesports.com/athletes-biography/nonito-donaire-net-worth/

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Donaire has a net worth of $5 million as of 2023.

That's a lot of money in the Philippines. If it's converted into Philippine pesos, that would be almost 300 million pesos. Well, a business would really help to ensure the growth of that money and secure the future of the family. With that amount, Donaire could also start his own promotion company in the Philippines. That way, he would be able to grow his business and at the same time, help boxers with the potential to become champions.

Very possible that he and her wife will take that route. Aside from doing business after his retirement, he can also help newcomers to develop their skills and who knows opportunity will come and let them also be a champ.

With that huge amount of net worth, he can secure his family's future by putting / establishing good
business that he can relate in this sport.

Why not? as we have discussed Rachel seems to be a good businesswoman, after he handled Nonito's career, it seems that they got a good deal every Nonito's fight and then saving their money for investment and for their future.

So there is a possibility that they might invest on something in the Philippines, they have been in and out of the country for some time specially if Nonito doesn't have a big fight. It's just the question on what business or opportunity will the Donaire take the risk in the Philippines.

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I don't know why the issue of him going down in weight in bantamweight has surface, even if he losses to Fulton, he should stick to super bantamweight as his body can't make it to 118 lbs and it will just cause him more problems in his health if he decided to go down again.

So I do agree that if he really wanted to become another legend like Manny, he should be moving up in weight and chasing those belts. However, personally, I don't see him moving further, maybe 126 lbs in the future, but that's going to be very hard unless his body will still continue to grow or he just add more pounds, but it's different if you can't bring you power to the new weight class that he is targeting.

Maybe people are refer to Canelo where he's not capable in light heavyweight division and he return back to super middleweight where he really destroy everyone in this division. If Inoue lost against Fulton, I think he will want a rematch rather than back to bantamweight division, no one want to fight with him.

AFAIK there's no boxer which ever become undisputed champion in three different divisions, Inoue can take this challenge because he's still young and powerful. He will have a race with Canelo since Canelo already become undisputed champion in two different divisions.

We all know that canelo is unstoppable in middle weigh division which is he is totally strong that can bring his Opponent out the ring with a loss. And also this is what happen if inuoe will fail to fight against fulton we all know that fulton is a strong fighter as well he has a good strategy and techniques so this will be a good match to watch and of inoue will fail then for sure he will go back to the bantamweight which is he is the king of that division .

Well, his position is very interesting, and the truth is that everything you say catches my attention, but why do you think that they would beat Inoue, seeing how Inoue fights, I doubt very much that they are going to beat him, it doesn't matter if he has increased his weight, the truth for me is like one of those boxers who are or are born with a natural talent, I think he's almost like a boxing genius, particularly because in the way Inoue fights I don't think Fulton is going to beat him, based on his manner and technique it is very difficult, well I see it as very difficult.

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As for his retirement, I doubt that, win or lose he will still continue to fight and bring more money to him and his wife. We also know that Rachel has somewhat takes care of their money and in their investments, so nothing to worry if even Nonito retires, he still some some money left and can sustain their family in a long time.

As long as he can make money, he will continue to fight. He might be old due to his age, but look at him. He still comes back after a brutal loss to Inoue. So, Donaire is really tough, and any boxer not on the level of Inoue might have a problem against an older Donaire.

According to the article below, he is already a millionaire in dollars. Therefore, he has a lot of money to start a business and invest.

https://surprisesports.com/athletes-biography/nonito-donaire-net-worth/

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Donaire has a net worth of $5 million as of 2023.

That's a lot of money in the Philippines. If it's converted into Philippine pesos, that would be almost 300 million pesos. Well, a business would really help to ensure the growth of that money and secure the future of the family. With that amount, Donaire could also start his own promotion company in the Philippines. That way, he would be able to grow his business and at the same time, help boxers with the potential to become champions.

Very possible that he and her wife will take that route. Aside from doing business after his retirement, he can also help newcomers to develop their skills and who knows opportunity will come and let them also be a champ.

With that huge amount of net worth, he can secure his family's future by putting / establishing good
business that he can relate in this sport.

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As for his retirement, I doubt that, win or lose he will still continue to fight and bring more money to him and his wife. We also know that Rachel has somewhat takes care of their money and in their investments, so nothing to worry if even Nonito retires, he still some some money left and can sustain their family in a long time.

As long as he can make money, he will continue to fight. He might be old due to his age, but look at him. He still comes back after a brutal loss to Inoue. So, Donaire is really tough, and any boxer not on the level of Inoue might have a problem against an older Donaire.

According to the article below, he is already a millionaire in dollars. Therefore, he has a lot of money to start a business and invest.

https://surprisesports.com/athletes-biography/nonito-donaire-net-worth/

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Donaire has a net worth of $5 million as of 2023.

That's a lot of money in the Philippines. If it's converted into Philippine pesos, that would be almost 300 million pesos. Well, a business would really help to ensure the growth of that money and secure the future of the family. With that amount, Donaire could also start his own promotion company in the Philippines. That way, he would be able to grow his business and at the same time, help boxers with the potential to become champions.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on April 20, 2023, 05:55:55 AM

As for his retirement, I doubt that, win or lose he will still continue to fight and bring more money to him and his wife. We also know that Rachel has somewhat takes care of their money and in their investments, so nothing to worry if even Nonito retires, he still some some money left and can sustain their family in a long time.

As long as he can make money, he will continue to fight. He might be old due to his age, but look at him. He still comes back after a brutal loss to Inoue. So, Donaire is really tough, and any boxer not on the level of Inoue might have a problem against an older Donaire.

According to the article below, he is already a millionaire in dollars. Therefore, he has a lot of money to start a business and invest.

https://surprisesports.com/athletes-biography/nonito-donaire-net-worth/

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Donaire has a net worth of $5 million as of 2023.

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It would be nice if he retired as the undisputed champion. That would be the ultimate success in his current division.

I really hope he wins, but it's not going to be easy for sure, and he needs to start working towards his goal by winning this championship fight. After that, there will be a unification fight, and then the undisputed fight, which means he will have to stay consistent and keep winning for a couple of years for that to come true.

Remember that Donaire is also getting older, so age could be a big factor here, which I see as a disadvantage for him. His power and speed may be affected.

I'm pretty sure he and his wife will use these opportunities to bring more money before completely retiring his gloves. We need to consider his age and his health, so after he wins, they might think about what will be their next option.

For now, let's enjoy if the fight will proceed and see if he will earn the belt again and how he will
take care of this upcoming business.

He is in Cebu right now the last time I heard, training with Casimero, so Donaire is going back to his roots in the Philippines and maybe trying to work with other boxers to somewhat teach the new breed of boxers as we all know that the Philippines is one of those countries that produces good boxers.

As for his retirement, I doubt that, win or lose he will still continue to fight and bring more money to him and his wife. We also know that Rachel has somewhat takes care of their money and in their investments, so nothing to worry if even Nonito retires, he still some some money left and can sustain their family in a long time.

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Quote from: Questat on April 19, 2023, 07:55:44 AM

Quote from: Botnake on April 19, 2023, 03:47:39 AM

It would be nice if he retired as the undisputed champion. That would be the ultimate success in his current division.

I really hope he wins, but it's not going to be easy for sure, and he needs to start working towards his goal by winning this championship fight. After that, there will be a unification fight, and then the undisputed fight, which means he will have to stay consistent and keep winning for a couple of years for that to come true.

Remember that Donaire is also getting older, so age could be a big factor here, which I see as a disadvantage for him. His power and speed may be affected.

I'm pretty sure he and his wife will use these opportunities to bring more money before completely retiring his gloves. We need to consider his age and his health, so after he wins, they might think about what will be their next option.

For now, let's enjoy if the fight will proceed and see if he will earn the belt again and how he will
take care of this upcoming business.

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Quote from: Botnake on April 19, 2023, 03:47:39 AM

It would be nice if he retired as the undisputed champion. That would be the ultimate success in his current division.

I really hope he wins, but it's not going to be easy for sure, and he needs to start working towards his goal by winning this championship fight. After that, there will be a unification fight, and then the undisputed fight, which means he will have to stay consistent and keep winning for a couple of years for that to come true.

Remember that Donaire is also getting older, so age could be a big factor here, which I see as a disadvantage for him. His power and speed may be affected.

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