[Boxing]: Oscar Valdez vs Robson Conceicao - Sept 10th - page 2.

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Quote from: Finestream on September 09, 2021, 11:43:00 PM

That's possible but unlikely because Valdez is the heavy favorite to win this fight @1.39. The odds are pretty much similar to Pacquiao vs Ugas, maybe we will see a big upset here after Valdez had some controversy answering the substance found in the test.

So what's your pick guys?

I think this fight will be tomorrow in my timezone?

But both Valdez and Conceicao still in prime condition/young also both of them still undefeated, so the chance more possible ended as draw. I'm a fan of Valdez he's a Mexican boxer as we know many boxer from Mexico are strong.

But Conceicao is taller than Valdez it's an advantages for him, reminds me of Pacquiao vs Ugas before. I think I'll pick Conceicao for this fight with small bet.

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Quote from: Natalim on September 09, 2021, 11:35:07 PM

Quote from: Dave1 on September 09, 2021, 10:18:02 PM

Quote from: bisdak40 on September 09, 2021, 12:11:52 AM

Quote from: Dave1 on September 08, 2021, 11:01:31 PM

Just a couple of days before this fight, and it's weird that sports bookies are missing this big fight.

They've listed unknown fighters with betting lines already, but this one is not even covered, weird.

In any case, I can't bet on this one if this is not offered by crypto bookies, I don't like fiat base, because they've ask to much info.

Maybe we should remind the representatives of those online bookies to cover this fight since Oscar Valdez has many users here who are a fan of him, including me of course hehe.

I think they forgot that this fight is a go despite the substance controversy that Valdez is into or this is a form of boycott of the bookies for what Valdez has done, what ya think?

No need to bother them, it seems that they are reading this thread:

Although it is not yet open, at least they have opted to include this already, so that's a good news for us boxer bettors.

The only thing to do is just wait, the fight is in 48 hours, so maybe tomorrow they will open the betting already so that's 24 hours for us to pull the trigger on this one.

The complete list of betting odds are now available, you can check the updated market again.
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/boxing/international/international-matchups/valdez-oscar-vs-conceicao-robson-6139c3707c3dc7742835a5e3

Any chance this fight will end up in a draw? the odds is currently @26, that's hard to resist, I think.

That's possible but unlikely because Valdez is the heavy favorite to win this fight @1.39. The odds are pretty much similar to Pacquiao vs Ugas, maybe we will see a big upset here after Valdez had some controversy answering the substance found in the test.

So what's your pick guys?

I think this fight will be tomorrow in my timezone?

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Quote from: Dave1 on September 09, 2021, 10:18:02 PM

Quote from: bisdak40 on September 09, 2021, 12:11:52 AM

Quote from: Dave1 on September 08, 2021, 11:01:31 PM

Just a couple of days before this fight, and it's weird that sports bookies are missing this big fight.

They've listed unknown fighters with betting lines already, but this one is not even covered, weird.

In any case, I can't bet on this one if this is not offered by crypto bookies, I don't like fiat base, because they've ask to much info.

Maybe we should remind the representatives of those online bookies to cover this fight since Oscar Valdez has many users here who are a fan of him, including me of course hehe.

I think they forgot that this fight is a go despite the substance controversy that Valdez is into or this is a form of boycott of the bookies for what Valdez has done, what ya think?

No need to bother them, it seems that they are reading this thread:

Although it is not yet open, at least they have opted to include this already, so that's a good news for us boxer bettors.

The only thing to do is just wait, the fight is in 48 hours, so maybe tomorrow they will open the betting already so that's 24 hours for us to pull the trigger on this one.

The complete list of betting odds are now available, you can check the updated market again.
https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/boxing/international/international-matchups/valdez-oscar-vs-conceicao-robson-6139c3707c3dc7742835a5e3

Any chance this fight will end up in a draw? the odds is currently @26, that's hard to resist, I think.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 09, 2021, 12:11:52 AM

Quote from: Dave1 on September 08, 2021, 11:01:31 PM

Just a couple of days before this fight, and it's weird that sports bookies are missing this big fight.

They've listed unknown fighters with betting lines already, but this one is not even covered, weird.

In any case, I can't bet on this one if this is not offered by crypto bookies, I don't like fiat base, because they've ask to much info.

Maybe we should remind the representatives of those online bookies to cover this fight since Oscar Valdez has many users here who are a fan of him, including me of course hehe.

I think they forgot that this fight is a go despite the substance controversy that Valdez is into or this is a form of boycott of the bookies for what Valdez has done, what ya think?

No need to bother them, it seems that they are reading this thread:

Although it is not yet open, at least they have opted to include this already, so that's a good news for us boxer bettors.

The only thing to do is just wait, the fight is in 48 hours, so maybe tomorrow they will open the betting already so that's 24 hours for us to pull the trigger on this one.

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Quote from: Dave1 on September 08, 2021, 11:01:31 PM

Just a couple of days before this fight, and it's weird that sports bookies are missing this big fight.

They've listed unknown fighters with betting lines already, but this one is not even covered, weird.

In any case, I can't bet on this one if this is not offered by crypto bookies, I don't like fiat base, because they've ask to much info.

Maybe we should remind the representatives of those online bookies to cover this fight since Oscar Valdez has many users here who are a fan of him, including me of course hehe.

I think they forgot that this fight is a go despite the substance controversy that Valdez is into or this is a form of boycott of the bookies for what Valdez has done, what ya think?

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Just a couple of days before this fight, and it's weird that sports bookies are missing this big fight.

They've listed unknown fighters with betting lines already, but this one is not even covered, weird.

In any case, I can't bet on this one if this is not offered by crypto bookies, I don't like fiat base, because they've ask to much info.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on September 08, 2021, 07:38:04 AM

Unfortunately, two crypto bookies hasn't open it yet, stake and sportsbet, but there are instances that 1 days before the fight, they will suddenly offer this for bettors.

As for the issues, we have our own opinion here, what's important is that they allowed the fight, although it's questionable but then again, its all business and for sure we all know and they know that this fight could make them big money. So everyone will be happy in the end.

Thank you for the information. I was about to look at sportsbet but since you already said it's not available then I think I will just wait for it to open.
I was just confused because the boxing bout on September 12 is ready for betting while the earlier one is nowhere to be seen.

Quote from: Questat on September 08, 2021, 04:46:19 AM

just like the old unpopular fights.

Yeah, that might be the reason behind it. I'll just need to be patient for now but I am hoping I won't be late since I don't really check bookies daily unless there is NBA going on. Thanks.

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Quote from: Questat on September 08, 2021, 04:46:19 AM

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Quote from: Vaculin on September 07, 2021, 11:39:31 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on September 07, 2021, 08:41:15 PM

Quote from: Questat on September 07, 2021, 05:21:43 PM

So is there an unfair judgment here?

That's what happened. They allow the fight, since they accept the alibi from Valdez camp.

Alibi should be valid that's why the fight continues. It's not us who will judge and though we think it's quite biased but they know their job and they are just implementing it based on their knowledge of what is right. Let's not talk about it anymore, instead, let's see how this fight will go and is the favorite really here has the big edge to win, or he is just overvalued?

Before I go to the issue, where do you guys put your bet at for this match? It's not available in Stake.com. The only boxing bout available is the Holyfield vs Belfort fight.
About the drug issue, he was tested twice and the first was positive then negative on August 30. But social media analysts and boxing community are trying to pin them down with the basic logic of he is positive, so he should be disqualified. "He cheated, don't give him a chance", something like that.
One thing is for sure, he is tested negative already so that's it. As long as he fights fair and square then the game is on. There is also a part that the boxing business is trying to get back what they loss from the pandemic and they will do everything to prevent postponing the fight.

It's not available also on the betting sites I'm using, if it's not in stake.com, then probably it's not also available yet in other crypto sites. I see the odds in https://www.betfair.com/sport/boxing/boxing-matches/oscar-valdez-v-robson-conceicao/30878073.. maybe anyone here is using it can put their bet now. For crypto betting sites, maybe they'll make the odds available 24 hours before the fight, just like the old unpopular fights.

Unfortunately, two crypto bookies hasn't open it yet, stake and sportsbet, but there are instances that 1 days before the fight, they will suddenly offer this for bettors.

As for the issues, we have our own opinion here, what's important is that they allowed the fight, although it's questionable but then again, its all business and for sure we all know and they know that this fight could make them big money. So everyone will be happy in the end.

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Quote from: danherbias07 on September 08, 2021, 03:32:28 AM

Quote from: Vaculin on September 07, 2021, 11:39:31 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on September 07, 2021, 08:41:15 PM

Quote from: Questat on September 07, 2021, 05:21:43 PM

So is there an unfair judgment here?

That's what happened. They allow the fight, since they accept the alibi from Valdez camp.

Alibi should be valid that's why the fight continues. It's not us who will judge and though we think it's quite biased but they know their job and they are just implementing it based on their knowledge of what is right. Let's not talk about it anymore, instead, let's see how this fight will go and is the favorite really here has the big edge to win, or he is just overvalued?

Before I go to the issue, where do you guys put your bet at for this match? It's not available in Stake.com. The only boxing bout available is the Holyfield vs Belfort fight.
About the drug issue, he was tested twice and the first was positive then negative on August 30. But social media analysts and boxing community are trying to pin them down with the basic logic of he is positive, so he should be disqualified. "He cheated, don't give him a chance", something like that.
One thing is for sure, he is tested negative already so that's it. As long as he fights fair and square then the game is on. There is also a part that the boxing business is trying to get back what they loss from the pandemic and they will do everything to prevent postponing the fight.

It's not available also on the betting sites I'm using, if it's not in stake.com, then probably it's not also available yet in other crypto sites. I see the odds in https://www.betfair.com/sport/boxing/boxing-matches/oscar-valdez-v-robson-conceicao/30878073.. maybe anyone here is using it can put their bet now. For crypto betting sites, maybe they'll make the odds available 24 hours before the fight, just like the old unpopular fights.

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Quote from: Vaculin on September 07, 2021, 11:39:31 PM

Quote from: Fredomago on September 07, 2021, 08:41:15 PM

Quote from: Questat on September 07, 2021, 05:21:43 PM

So is there an unfair judgment here?

That's what happened. They allow the fight, since they accept the alibi from Valdez camp.

Alibi should be valid that's why the fight continues. It's not us who will judge and though we think it's quite biased but they know their job and they are just implementing it based on their knowledge of what is right. Let's not talk about it anymore, instead, let's see how this fight will go and is the favorite really here has the big edge to win, or he is just overvalued?

Before I go to the issue, where do you guys put your bet at for this match? It's not available in Stake.com. The only boxing bout available is the Holyfield vs Belfort fight.
About the drug issue, he was tested twice and the first was positive then negative on August 30. But social media analysts and boxing community are trying to pin them down with the basic logic of he is positive, so he should be disqualified. "He cheated, don't give him a chance", something like that.
One thing is for sure, he is tested negative already so that's it. As long as he fights fair and square then the game is on. There is also a part that the boxing business is trying to get back what they loss from the pandemic and they will do everything to prevent postponing the fight.

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Quote from: Fredomago on September 07, 2021, 08:41:15 PM

Quote from: Questat on September 07, 2021, 05:21:43 PM

So is there an unfair judgment here?

That's what happened. They allow the fight, since they accept the alibi from Valdez camp.

Alibi should be valid that's why the fight continues. It's not us who will judge and though we think it's quite biased but they know their job and they are just implementing it based on their knowledge of what is right. Let's not talk about it anymore, instead, let's see how this fight will go and is the favorite really here has the big edge to win, or he is just overvalued?

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Quote from: Questat on September 07, 2021, 05:21:43 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on September 07, 2021, 09:25:43 AM

Quote from: Viscore on September 06, 2021, 05:20:07 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on September 06, 2021, 06:03:00 AM

This is what Oscar Valdez says:

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"I have never used banned substances to improve my performance. I never have and never will. I am respectful of anti-doping tests since my time as an amateur and now as a professional," Valdez said.

"And since I've been a professional I have undergone more than 30 anti-doping tests, which is something we always ask for and we make sure that [drug testing] is in the contract, to do the VADA tests to keep the sport clean and to make sure that no one has any advantage."

https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-i-never-banned-substances-improve-my-performance--160320

Yeah, we take his word, but seriously, how can someone who says who didn't take any ban substance was caught here? His A and B sample turns out to be positive, if it is only A sample, probably he get it from somewhere else, but both his samples are positive.

So I agree with some posters that he might have used this one to mask some other substance, or his condition coach forgot about the recycling calendar.

We are not experts in this area, let's leave it to the expert I guess. The fact that the fight still continues despite the findings, that would only say that he did not violate any rules and therefore there's no reason to speculate that he should be ban or sanction for being positive of such drugs substances.

What do you mean by 'experts" though? Urine and blood samples don't lie, he was tested twice and come up to be positive.

I'm not an expert in this area, but Valdez is not denying the fact that he has failed the drug test. But his defense is that he didn't used any drugs. So we will just have to used our common sense here as who is telling the truth or not. Science or Valdez himself, make your choice.

Anyhow, as @bisdak40 said, just a couple more days and we will see this fight. Still a must watch fight.

So is there an unfair judgment here?

He was tested positive for ban substances and does the fight still continues?
What does it implicate to the boxing organization? Are they now more on the money than the reputation of the sport?

Lots of questions in our mind now but it will never change the decision since the fight still continues, and probably they know how it would impact so it's not a big deal I guess.

Yeah, but this is not the first time that we have seen someone tested positive for a supposedly ban substance and then they allow the fight to continue. Canelo's case is one.

Lots of questions, but if you look closely, yes, it's all about money now, as boxing is a billion dollar business, promoters will get their cut on the fighters, the network and casino's around invested a lot of money so they will have to get it back and make profits, and then fighters being paid for their services.

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Quote from: Questat on September 07, 2021, 05:21:43 PM

So is there an unfair judgment here?

That's what happened. They allow the fight, since they accept the alibi from Valdez camp.

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He was tested positive for ban substances and does the fight still continues?

Everything is set to go just a few more days and we will see them inside the ring.

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What does it implicate to the boxing organization? Are they now more on the money than the reputation of the sport?

For most fans after what happened, that's implies to the organization, they are more in the money side as they allow this to happen.

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Lots of questions in our mind now but it will never change the decision since the fight still continues, and probably they know how it would impact so it's not a big deal I guess.

They now and it seems that they don't care that much anymore. They are taking things out and make the fight happen.

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 07, 2021, 09:25:43 AM

Quote from: Viscore on September 06, 2021, 05:20:07 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on September 06, 2021, 06:03:00 AM

This is what Oscar Valdez says:

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"I have never used banned substances to improve my performance. I never have and never will. I am respectful of anti-doping tests since my time as an amateur and now as a professional," Valdez said.

"And since I've been a professional I have undergone more than 30 anti-doping tests, which is something we always ask for and we make sure that [drug testing] is in the contract, to do the VADA tests to keep the sport clean and to make sure that no one has any advantage."

https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-i-never-banned-substances-improve-my-performance--160320

Yeah, we take his word, but seriously, how can someone who says who didn't take any ban substance was caught here? His A and B sample turns out to be positive, if it is only A sample, probably he get it from somewhere else, but both his samples are positive.

So I agree with some posters that he might have used this one to mask some other substance, or his condition coach forgot about the recycling calendar.

We are not experts in this area, let's leave it to the expert I guess. The fact that the fight still continues despite the findings, that would only say that he did not violate any rules and therefore there's no reason to speculate that he should be ban or sanction for being positive of such drugs substances.

What do you mean by 'experts" though? Urine and blood samples don't lie, he was tested twice and come up to be positive.

I'm not an expert in this area, but Valdez is not denying the fact that he has failed the drug test. But his defense is that he didn't used any drugs. So we will just have to used our common sense here as who is telling the truth or not. Science or Valdez himself, make your choice.

Anyhow, as @bisdak40 said, just a couple more days and we will see this fight. Still a must watch fight.

So is there an unfair judgment here?

He was tested positive for ban substances and does the fight still continues?
What does it implicate to the boxing organization? Are they now more on the money than the reputation of the sport?

Lots of questions in our mind now but it will never change the decision since the fight still continues, and probably they know how it would impact so it's not a big deal I guess.

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Quote from: Viscore on September 06, 2021, 05:20:07 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on September 06, 2021, 06:03:00 AM

This is what Oscar Valdez says:

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"I have never used banned substances to improve my performance. I never have and never will. I am respectful of anti-doping tests since my time as an amateur and now as a professional," Valdez said.

"And since I've been a professional I have undergone more than 30 anti-doping tests, which is something we always ask for and we make sure that [drug testing] is in the contract, to do the VADA tests to keep the sport clean and to make sure that no one has any advantage."

https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-i-never-banned-substances-improve-my-performance--160320

Yeah, we take his word, but seriously, how can someone who says who didn't take any ban substance was caught here? His A and B sample turns out to be positive, if it is only A sample, probably he get it from somewhere else, but both his samples are positive.

So I agree with some posters that he might have used this one to mask some other substance, or his condition coach forgot about the recycling calendar.

We are not experts in this area, let's leave it to the expert I guess. The fact that the fight still continues despite the findings, that would only say that he did not violate any rules and therefore there's no reason to speculate that he should be ban or sanction for being positive of such drugs substances.

What do you mean by 'experts" though? Urine and blood samples don't lie, he was tested twice and come up to be positive.

I'm not an expert in this area, but Valdez is not denying the fact that he has failed the drug test. But his defense is that he didn't used any drugs. So we will just have to used our common sense here as who is telling the truth or not. Science or Valdez himself, make your choice.

Anyhow, as @bisdak40 said, just a couple more days and we will see this fight. Still a must watch fight.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 06, 2021, 05:36:00 PM

Quote from: Viscore on September 06, 2021, 05:20:07 PM

We are not experts in this area, let's leave it to the expert I guess. The fact that the fight still continues despite the findings, that would only say that he did not violate any rules and therefore there's no reason to speculate that he should be ban or sanction for being positive of such drugs substances.

You have a point mate but the question still lingers in my mind on what's the purpose of the test they conducted if they still allow the fight to happen despite all of the findings. Yeah, we are not experts on that ban substance issue but they should have kept the result of the test private as to not create chaos in the boxing community.

I agree, but maybe they wanted to keep it private, but it was leaked. As we all know, this boxing is a business and everyone has eyes and ears as to what is happening around.

Quote from: bisdak40 on September 06, 2021, 05:36:00 PM

Anyways, few days before the fight but I have not seen my favorite bookies covering this one. They should not miss this championship fight of future big names like Valdez I guess.

Let's wait for sport bookies to open the betting line. There was no hype on this fight. But typically, just days before the actual fight date, they might open it up. So we need to check from time to time.

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Quote from: Viscore on September 06, 2021, 05:20:07 PM

We are not experts in this area, let's leave it to the expert I guess. The fact that the fight still continues despite the findings, that would only say that he did not violate any rules and therefore there's no reason to speculate that he should be ban or sanction for being positive of such drugs substances.

You have a point mate but the question still lingers in my mind on what's the purpose of the test they conducted if they still allow the fight to happen despite all of the findings. Yeah, we are not experts on that ban substance issue but they should have kept the result of the test private as to not create chaos in the boxing community.

Anyways, few days before the fight but I have not seen my favorite bookies covering this one. They should not miss this championship fight of future big names like Valdez I guess.

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 06, 2021, 06:03:00 AM

This is what Oscar Valdez says:

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"I have never used banned substances to improve my performance. I never have and never will. I am respectful of anti-doping tests since my time as an amateur and now as a professional," Valdez said.

"And since I've been a professional I have undergone more than 30 anti-doping tests, which is something we always ask for and we make sure that [drug testing] is in the contract, to do the VADA tests to keep the sport clean and to make sure that no one has any advantage."

https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-i-never-banned-substances-improve-my-performance--160320

Yeah, we take his word, but seriously, how can someone who says who didn't take any ban substance was caught here? His A and B sample turns out to be positive, if it is only A sample, probably he get it from somewhere else, but both his samples are positive.

So I agree with some posters that he might have used this one to mask some other substance, or his condition coach forgot about the recycling calendar.

We are not experts in this area, let's leave it to the expert I guess. The fact that the fight still continues despite the findings, that would only say that he did not violate any rules and therefore there's no reason to speculate that he should be ban or sanction for being positive of such drugs substances.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on September 05, 2021, 04:38:31 AM

Yes, no offense to the Indian tribe, but I will assume that they have casino's around as well. So it's a big money business going around that area.

I also assume that there's a big business behind that will push things out. They are aware and they will make
sure that this fight will let fans and gamblers to bet on their fighters. Big money is at stake, so why bother
to stop the fight?

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There are sanctioning bodies, it was the WBC, but if knowing the people behind that organization (the Sulaiman) they have been accused of corruption. And that body has a lot of champions as well.

If money talks loudly, what else this body can do? It's more on let it happened for the sake of entertainment but behind
that are the millions of dollars that will be generated after the fight takes place.

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So yeah, it's good that the fight will proceed and us fight fans will have a chance to bet and win some.

That's the consolation, and what most of the gamblers are waiting, they are not caring about the rules, but the chance that they can place their bets, a chance to win decently Grin

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This is what Oscar Valdez says:

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"I have never used banned substances to improve my performance. I never have and never will. I am respectful of anti-doping tests since my time as an amateur and now as a professional," Valdez said.

"And since I've been a professional I have undergone more than 30 anti-doping tests, which is something we always ask for and we make sure that [drug testing] is in the contract, to do the VADA tests to keep the sport clean and to make sure that no one has any advantage."

https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-i-never-banned-substances-improve-my-performance--160320

Yeah, we take his word, but seriously, how can someone who says who didn't take any ban substance was caught here? His A and B sample turns out to be positive, if it is only A sample, probably he get it from somewhere else, but both his samples are positive.

So I agree with some posters that he might have used this one to mask some other substance, or his condition coach forgot about the recycling calendar.

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