[Boxing]: Oscar Valdez vs Robson Conceicao - Sept 10th - page 3.

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I heard the news that Oscar Valdez was tested as covid positive. Although they say that the fight will not be postponed but i wonder that only few days are left in the fight and i hope Oscar Valdez is healthy enough to be available for this match.

Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight to proceed despite positive test

Kindly read the article that you posted, there's no mentioned of covid-19.

What the articles says that they are going to proceed despite Oscar Valdez testing positive for a ban substance and not covid-19 related.

Next time be careful of posting articles that you haven't read at all.

And it's obvious that if you are covid-19 positive, you will not be allowed to fight.

His A sample came positive and then the B sample as well, meaning the ban substance is already in his system. We don't know if this is the first time he has taken it or not, but yeah this could leave a bad taste for fans and boxers as well. Perhaps his team failed to take into consideration the cycle that's why they are caught red handed by the governing bodies.

Correction i got it wrong and mis-understood that positive test is not related to covid.
So they are referring the drug test ?

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The Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight will move forward as planned despite Valdez’s recent positive test for the stimulant Phentermine in a random test conducted by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association on Aug. 13, with the positive test result being returned on Monday, multiple sources told The Ring on Thursday.

Yeah, I was also reading the article and I search for the covid-19 but can't find it, instead it's the drug test that Valdez was tested positive. However, what they found is not enough to stop the right, hence the fight will continue despite that.

This is the reason why the fight would still proceed as scheduled.
for the source you shared:

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Valdez’s most recent drug test, which was conducted on Monday, was negative for all banned substances, according to a letter from VADA chief Dr. Margaret Goodman sent to those involved and obtained by The Ring. However, it only takes about 48 hours for Phentermine to clear the system, according to experts.

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Quote from: Jating on September 05, 2021, 02:22:53 AM

Quote from: JohnBitCo on September 05, 2021, 02:03:20 AM

I heard the news that Oscar Valdez was tested as covid positive. Although they say that the fight will not be postponed but i wonder that only few days are left in the fight and i hope Oscar Valdez is healthy enough to be available for this match.

Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight to proceed despite positive test

Kindly read the article that you posted, there's no mentioned of covid-19.

What the articles says that they are going to proceed despite Oscar Valdez testing positive for a ban substance and not covid-19 related.

Next time be careful of posting articles that you haven't read at all.

And it's obvious that if you are covid-19 positive, you will not be allowed to fight.

His A sample came positive and then the B sample as well, meaning the ban substance is already in his system. We don't know if this is the first time he has taken it or not, but yeah this could leave a bad taste for fans and boxers as well. Perhaps his team failed to take into consideration the cycle that's why they are caught red handed by the governing bodies.

Correction i got it wrong and mis-understood that positive test is not related to covid.
So they are referring the drug test ?

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The Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight will move forward as planned despite Valdez’s recent positive test for the stimulant Phentermine in a random test conducted by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association on Aug. 13, with the positive test result being returned on Monday, multiple sources told The Ring on Thursday.

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So let's see if Valdez is affected mentally by the positive results. But in case that Valdez won, for sure the camp of Robson will make an excuse and point out the argument for the Phentermine drug.

That win against Miguel Berchelt is tainted as well as people might say that he is taking that liquid when that fight happens, how could you knock out a guy bigger than you that brutal.

I just don't know why they are clearing Oscar Valdez without any sanction at all, Bob Arum might have a hand on not having this fight postpone to a latter date huh.

It was allowed by Pascua Yaqui Tribe Athletic Commission (never heard of it, probably because the fight is is Arizona), and by the WBC. Obviously, this two organizations have vested interest to proceed with the fight (money wise). And they said that it is not a drug that can be used to take advantage of your opponent (lame excuse). Anyhow, since the fight with proceed, then it will be another great fight, but the stigma will remain on Oscar resume.

Good assessment! more on money matters, fans are already expecting the fight and if the promoters see that flowing money will be at their side, then why not to proceed and forget about this issue.

Not sure why there are no sanctions but if both organizations see no issue and that said drug won't affect anything, there's no reason not to proceed.

Let's enjoy the fight and see who's going to win between these two fighters. Fans will love to see toe to toe actions.

Yes, no offense to the Indian tribe, but I will assume that they have casino's around as well. So it's a big money business going around that area.

There are sanctioning bodies, it was the WBC, but if knowing the people behind that organization (the Sulaiman) they have been accused of corruption. And that body has a lot of champions as well.

So yeah, it's good that the fight will proceed and us fight fans will have a chance to bet and win some.

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I think the fight will proceed because it is close and the fans wanted it to happen anyway. It's been a while since I saw Oscar Valdez step into the ring after he knocks out Miguel Berchelt to win WBC junior lightweight title. now it's time for him to show the world his great boxing skills again. of course, Robson Conceicao is not an easy target cause he has some good skills to counter Valdez. This upcoming fight needed a decisive strategy for both fighters to beat their opponent and I expected this won't last up to the 12 round.

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Quote from: JohnBitCo on September 05, 2021, 02:03:20 AM

I heard the news that Oscar Valdez was tested as covid positive. Although they say that the fight will not be postponed but i wonder that only few days are left in the fight and i hope Oscar Valdez is healthy enough to be available for this match.

Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight to proceed despite positive test

Kindly read the article that you posted, there's no mentioned of covid-19.

What the articles says that they are going to proceed despite Oscar Valdez testing positive for a ban substance and not covid-19 related.

Next time be careful of posting articles that you haven't read at all.

And it's obvious that if you are covid-19 positive, you will not be allowed to fight.

His A sample came positive and then the B sample as well, meaning the ban substance is already in his system. We don't know if this is the first time he has taken it or not, but yeah this could leave a bad taste for fans and boxers as well. Perhaps his team failed to take into consideration the cycle that's why they are caught red handed by the governing bodies.

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I heard the news that Oscar Valdez was tested as covid positive. Although they say that the fight will not be postponed but i wonder that only few days are left in the fight and i hope Oscar Valdez is healthy enough to be available for this match.

Oscar Valdez-Robson Conceicao fight to proceed despite positive test

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 03, 2021, 05:11:19 PM

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So let's see if Valdez is affected mentally by the positive results. But in case that Valdez won, for sure the camp of Robson will make an excuse and point out the argument for the Phentermine drug.

That win against Miguel Berchelt is tainted as well as people might say that he is taking that liquid when that fight happens, how could you knock out a guy bigger than you that brutal.

I just don't know why they are clearing Oscar Valdez without any sanction at all, Bob Arum might have a hand on not having this fight postpone to a latter date huh.

It was allowed by Pascua Yaqui Tribe Athletic Commission (never heard of it, probably because the fight is is Arizona), and by the WBC. Obviously, this two organizations have vested interest to proceed with the fight (money wise). And they said that it is not a drug that can be used to take advantage of your opponent (lame excuse). Anyhow, since the fight with proceed, then it will be another great fight, but the stigma will remain on Oscar resume.

Good assessment! more on money matters, fans are already expecting the fight and if the promoters see that flowing money will be at their side, then why not to proceed and forget about this issue.

Not sure why there are no sanctions but if both organizations see no issue and that said drug won't affect anything, there's no reason not to proceed.

Let's enjoy the fight and see who's going to win between these two fighters. Fans will love to see toe to toe actions.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 03, 2021, 05:11:19 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on September 03, 2021, 08:05:36 AM

So let's see if Valdez is affected mentally by the positive results. But in case that Valdez won, for sure the camp of Robson will make an excuse and point out the argument for the Phentermine drug.

That win against Miguel Berchelt is tainted as well as people might say that he is taking that liquid when that fight happens, how could you knock out a guy bigger than you that brutal.

I just don't know why they are clearing Oscar Valdez without any sanction at all, Bob Arum might have a hand on not having this fight postpone to a latter date huh.

It was allowed by Pascua Yaqui Tribe Athletic Commission (never heard of it, probably because the fight is is Arizona), and by the WBC. Obviously, this two organizations have vested interest to proceed with the fight (money wise). And they said that it is not a drug that can be used to take advantage of your opponent (lame excuse). Anyhow, since the fight with proceed, then it will be another great fight, but the stigma will remain on Oscar resume.

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Valdez will be on probation with the WBC but it still leaves a bad taste knowing there wasn't a stricter punishment. Now we are in a situation where they have to be consistent and some level of PED use will be tolerated if you can find a loophole in WADA's rules and cycle off before you are considered "in competition".

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Quote from: bisdak40 on September 03, 2021, 05:11:19 PM

Quote from: Baofeng on September 03, 2021, 08:05:36 AM

So let's see if Valdez is affected mentally by the positive results. But in case that Valdez won, for sure the camp of Robson will make an excuse and point out the argument for the Phentermine drug.

That win against Miguel Berchelt is tainted as well as people might say that he is taking that liquid when that fight happens, how could you knock out a guy bigger than you that brutal.

I just don't know why they are clearing Oscar Valdez without any sanction at all, Bob Arum might have a hand on not having this fight postpone to a latter date huh.

Maybe, Bob Arum use his influence so that issue doesn't hamper the schedule.
Hope there will be no more issues like this in this upcoming fight.
For sure, the other camp knows about the situation but agreed to push thru their match.
Odds are not yet out, but high likely that they will favor Valdez here.

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Quote from: Baofeng on September 03, 2021, 08:05:36 AM

So let's see if Valdez is affected mentally by the positive results. But in case that Valdez won, for sure the camp of Robson will make an excuse and point out the argument for the Phentermine drug.

That win against Miguel Berchelt is tainted as well as people might say that he is taking that liquid when that fight happens, how could you knock out a guy bigger than you that brutal.

I just don't know why they are clearing Oscar Valdez without any sanction at all, Bob Arum might have a hand on not having this fight postpone to a latter date huh.

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^^ I'm just confused though, I thought that it will be an automatic postponement once you are caught with a ban substance. Maybe it depends on the severity, on what drugs are found in your system. And probably because of the money involved to set up this fight, the fight is very near, we know that boxing is business so the money involved must have been taken into consideration.

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Re-opening the thread as Oscar Valdez was cleared.

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BoxingScene.com has learned that Mexico’s Valdez was approved to move forward with his scheduled September 10 clash with Brazil’s Robson Conceicao (16-0, 8KOs), which will air live on ESPN+ from AVA Amphitheater at Casino del Sol in Tucson, Arizona. The bout was previously in jeopardy due to Valdez having tested positive for Phentermine, as discovered through drug testing as contracted through Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA).

However, a ruling handed down by the Pascua Yaqui Tribe Athletic Commission permitted Valdez to proceed with the fight. The argument presented by Valdez’s team—including the claim that the substance in question was discovered during what is deemed as out-of-competition by World Anti-Doping Agency (WADA) code—along with other undisclosed factors was enough for the unbeaten boxer to receive clearance to fight next week.

https://www.boxingscene.com/oscar-valdez-cleared-by-presiding-commission-move-forward-with-conceicao--160295

So let's see if Valdez is affected mentally by the positive results. But in case that Valdez won, for sure the camp of Robson will make an excuse and point out the argument for the Phentermine drug.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on August 31, 2021, 08:21:55 PM

It is looking likely that this fight will get cancelled. Valdez tested positive for the stimulant phentermine. It was out of competition so the local boxing commission doesn't necessarily have to suspend him but he will probably lose his world title since he is being tested as part of the WBC Clean Boxing Program.

Valdez is using the excuse that the substance was in an herbal tea and he took it unknowingly. That is an incredibly weak excuse so it is likely he was using it for something prohibited. In my opinion he should be stripped of the world title and suspended for the next six months.

Thanks for the update so I'm going to lock this thread for good as obviously, this fight will not happen.

For those who ware asking why it is considered a ban substance, maybe this explanation from Victor Conte (who himself was a drug peddler), can help:

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ESPN quotes Victor Conte, who once did time for planning to distribute PEDs before becoming a clean sport activist. “You know why it’s a performance-enhancing drug?” He asked rhetorically of phentermine. “Because it’s a central-nervous stimulant…it accelerates your heart rate. It gives you energy. It gives you endurance. It gives you stamina. It makes it easier to breathe. Your training time to exhaustion would be much longer.” Clearly, such things as stamina and endurance can help a fighter in the ring. In short, Valdez may have ingested a substance which might give him an advantage when facing Conceicao.

https://www.boxinginsider.com/headlines/oscar-valdez-reportedly-tests-positive-for-banned-substance-phentermine/

I'm so disappointed with Valdez, so there's no one to blame here but himself.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on August 31, 2021, 11:45:00 PM

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on August 31, 2021, 08:21:55 PM

It is looking likely that this fight will get cancelled. Valdez tested positive for the stimulant phentermine. It was out of competition so the local boxing commission doesn't necessarily have to suspend him but he will probably lose his world title since he is being tested as part of the WBC Clean Boxing Program.

Is that a bad drug? I don't think that it's a PED(performance enhancing drug) so why did they suspend him? Don't boxers use a variety of drugs when they are training, I mean supplements should be allowed right? That's actually sad that this fight is going to get cancelled especially now that the fight is about 9 days away.

Diuretics are considered ban substance because it is a stimulant - so to improved his performance. Because this kind of drugs will speed up your metabolism and increase your aggressiveness and you will not tire out easily.

It's really too bad to hear that his upset win against Berchelt and beat the champion in his own game, volume punching and KO him with a huge left hook, now that win could go to record as NC (no contest) because of the failed drug testing.

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Quote from: Kittygalore on August 31, 2021, 11:45:00 PM

Is that a bad drug? I don't think that it's a PED(performance enhancing drug) so why did they suspend him? Don't boxers use a variety of drugs when they are training, I mean supplements should be allowed right? That's actually sad that this fight is going to get cancelled especially now that the fight is about 9 days away.

Well even it's not a performance drug, why he need to use it? It's a big question for sure. I think what you refer was the boxer already informed to VADA why he use a drug especially he under medication, so it's allowed. Possibility he's overweight now and really want to fight with Robson Conceicao, so he doesn't have any choice except phentermine. Because they need to met up on official weight in before the fight, if his weight more than 10 pounds the fight will postponed.

VADA rules regarding doping : http://wbcboxing.com/WBCVADA/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/WBC-Protocol-FINAL.pdf

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on August 31, 2021, 11:22:03 PM

Quote from: Dave1 on August 31, 2021, 08:32:50 PM

Yeah, but it could be used as a masking agent, to hide other peds in your system.

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Oscar Valdez has failed a VADA test ahead of his planned Sept. 10 fight against Robson Conceicao, with Mike Coppinger reporting that the WBC junior lightweight titlist tested positive for a diuretic.

While diuretics are not steroids, they are familiar to the boxing world and to failed drug tests in the boxing world, as they can help fighters shed weight quickly ahead of a bout. But the biggest worry about them is they can be used as a masking agent for other substances, stuff more routinely thought of when people think of failed drug tests.

https://www.badlefthook.com/2021/8/31/22651015/oscar-valdez-tests-positive-banned-diuretic-next-fight-conceicao-boxing-news-2021

I also can't believed that Valdez and or his team did take the risk of taking this banned substance because they will be caught specially the stringent drug testing is being implement not just in boxing but across other sports.

The initial report of it being a diuretic is incorrect. Phentermine is not a diuretic but it is similar because it helps with losing weight rapidly. The difference is that one kind or drug suppresses your appetite and gives you more energy by stimulating the nervous system and the other kind causes you to produce more urine. Phentermine is only used for medical purposes to treat obesity so it is not something that should not be abused by athletes.

So in a sense it is still diuretics right? it falls on the same category because it will make you lose weight.

In any case this drug is very dangerous, specially for high level athletes as it stimulate the nervous system even more so it can cause heart problems in the end.

@Kittygalore - not sure if this is treated as peds, but it could adversely affect any boxers so I hinted that's why is it considered ban as it is dangerous.

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Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on August 31, 2021, 08:21:55 PM

It is looking likely that this fight will get cancelled. Valdez tested positive for the stimulant phentermine. It was out of competition so the local boxing commission doesn't necessarily have to suspend him but he will probably lose his world title since he is being tested as part of the WBC Clean Boxing Program.

Is that a bad drug? I don't think that it's a PED(performance enhancing drug) so why did they suspend him? Don't boxers use a variety of drugs when they are training, I mean supplements should be allowed right? That's actually sad that this fight is going to get cancelled especially now that the fight is about 9 days away.

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Quote from: Dave1 on August 31, 2021, 08:32:50 PM

Yeah, but it could be used as a masking agent, to hide other peds in your system.

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Oscar Valdez has failed a VADA test ahead of his planned Sept. 10 fight against Robson Conceicao, with Mike Coppinger reporting that the WBC junior lightweight titlist tested positive for a diuretic.

While diuretics are not steroids, they are familiar to the boxing world and to failed drug tests in the boxing world, as they can help fighters shed weight quickly ahead of a bout. But the biggest worry about them is they can be used as a masking agent for other substances, stuff more routinely thought of when people think of failed drug tests.

https://www.badlefthook.com/2021/8/31/22651015/oscar-valdez-tests-positive-banned-diuretic-next-fight-conceicao-boxing-news-2021

I also can't believed that Valdez and or his team did take the risk of taking this banned substance because they will be caught specially the stringent drug testing is being implement not just in boxing but across other sports.

The initial report of it being a diuretic is incorrect. Phentermine is not a diuretic but it is similar because it helps with losing weight rapidly. The difference is that one kind or drug suppresses your appetite and gives you more energy by stimulating the nervous system and the other kind causes you to produce more urine. Phentermine is only used for medical purposes to treat obesity so it is not something that should not be abused by athletes.

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Quote from: Fredomago on August 31, 2021, 08:46:22 PM

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on August 31, 2021, 08:21:55 PM

It is looking likely that this fight will get cancelled. Valdez tested positive for the stimulant phentermine. It was out of competition so the local boxing commission doesn't necessarily have to suspend him but he will probably lose his world title since he is being tested as part of the WBC Clean Boxing Program.

Valdez is using the excuse that the substance was in an herbal tea and he took it unknowingly. That is an incredibly weak excuse so it is likely he was using it for something prohibited. In my opinion he should be stripped of the world title and suspended for the next six months.

Not a strong excuse to prevent losing his title, rules are rules and once you've got caught, there's nothing you can do but to follow, as for sure there's other implemented rules regarding his case.

the suspension may follow his belt being removed from him, not sure, but in any sport, dietitian is important to know the substance of each intake that the player/fighter is using.

He's camp needs to be extra careful after this. There are lots of regrets by now but nothing that he can do.

He can blame anyone on is team for putting his on this kind of substance. Not sure how this will hold though, I still remember Canelo being caught prior to his first fight with GGG. But his excuse is that he consume a tainted beef and was given a free pass.

So right now, we are not sure if he is going to make an appeal regarding his case, but for now, he should consider his title stripe.

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