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I don't know why I get my hopes up. It's the same old story with boxing. While I'm sure both camps will blame one, another. The fans will likely pick a side too, but honestly every big event is always the same. Plus, I'm of the belief that Joshua, and Fury have been avoiding each other for many years now. Not necessarily the fighters, but their promoters trying to get the cash cows going for as long as they can.

As a result if we ever do get this fight, it'll likely be when both fighters are out of their prime, which you could argue that both fighters have been showing signs of decline, especially Joshua. It'll be a joke when both of them go on to make fights with cans. I wish we could just boycott the sport until they start making the fights that the fans want, actually happen.

Yes, you are absolutely right. This has been like the cycle, the last superfight that we have seen Floyd vs Manny took years to made when one of them are in the decline and obviously, the fight is not what we have expected as it was a snoozer.

And this could be what is likely going to happen if ever this fight is going to be made in the future. And Joshua will bt the Pacquiao, damage good already, and then Fury is Floyd, 0 loses, and still very much in his prime years.

This is so infuriating, they could have kept the negotiations a secret and in the case they refused to fight each other at least the fans would not be disappointed by the fact the fight is not taking place.

But of course this is not what happened, they did everything to make this public and create hype only for the fight to not occur at all, and now by the time it happens, if it happens at all, then most likely it will be when they are out of their prime or even many years later as an exhibition fight, similar to the ones which are so popular these days.
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I don't know why I get my hopes up. It's the same old story with boxing. While I'm sure both camps will blame one, another. The fans will likely pick a side too, but honestly every big event is always the same. Plus, I'm of the belief that Joshua, and Fury have been avoiding each other for many years now. Not necessarily the fighters, but their promoters trying to get the cash cows going for as long as they can.

As a result if we ever do get this fight, it'll likely be when both fighters are out of their prime, which you could argue that both fighters have been showing signs of decline, especially Joshua. It'll be a joke when both of them go on to make fights with cans. I wish we could just boycott the sport until they start making the fights that the fans want, actually happen.

Yes, you are absolutely right. This has been like the cycle, the last superfight that we have seen Floyd vs Manny took years to made when one of them are in the decline and obviously, the fight is not what we have expected as it was a snoozer.

And this could be what is likely going to happen if ever this fight is going to be made in the future. And Joshua will bt the Pacquiao, damage good already, and then Fury is Floyd, 0 loses, and still very much in his prime years.
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I understand what you mean, it will be like Canelo vs GGG 3 fight. The fight everyone wanted, but the fight that happened to late. No wonder if that will be Fury's last fight. And Eddie Hearn will become as hateful Don King.

Frankly speaking, if their fight happens now or next half year, it wont be interesting to watch, as I think it will be Fury's pure dominance and sunset of AJ career. I'd better re-watch Fury vs Wilder 1, than see AJ destroyed.
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I don't know why I get my hopes up. It's the same old story with boxing. While I'm sure both camps will blame one, another. The fans will likely pick a side too, but honestly every big event is always the same. Plus, I'm of the belief that Joshua, and Fury have been avoiding each other for many years now. Not necessarily the fighters, but their promoters trying to get the cash cows going for as long as they can.

As a result if we ever do get this fight, it'll likely be when both fighters are out of their prime, which you could argue that both fighters have been showing signs of decline, especially Joshua. It'll be a joke when both of them go on to make fights with cans. I wish we could just boycott the sport until they start making the fights that the fans want, actually happen.
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In the given article, it is said that Derek Chisora was offered contract to fight Fury. The name Mahmoud Charr also appeared in this topic as Fury's next opponent. Also Fury was interested Usyk's belts and to fight AJ. And in the same time Fury wanted to retire. Either I am confusing something, or Fury wants to fight anybody and nobody.

That's really confusing I think the best answer is Fury might have some medical condition to not continue his career as a boxer anymore and since he has the best record with no losses, it is better for him to step down and be one of the legendary boxers that will gonna have this amazing record. That's only my two cents if we want to translate this article. Anyway, since he is not yet old, maybe they will still pursue having a fight with Usyk since that fight will still be a big money for them since he will be against a Ukrainian guy, not his ordinary opponents.
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In the given article, it is said that Derek Chisora was offered contract to fight Fury. The name Mahmoud Charr also appeared in this topic as Fury's next opponent. Also Fury was interested Usyk's belts and to fight AJ. And in the same time Fury wanted to retire. Either I am confusing something, or Fury wants to fight anybody and nobody.
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The fight is officially off. Here is the article




John Fury (father of Tyosn Fury) has embarrassed and taunted Eddie Hearn by saying his failure to sign a deal to fight Tyson Fury means Joshua will not receive a £100 million payment for the fight.
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It's hanging now, it looks like the fight will not push through, and based on the statement of Joshua they have done their thing but Fury just pull out of the fight, we need to hear Fury's side of the story, he is the one that offers the fight he sent the contract and maybe because of waiting too long he just wants to make it happen anymore, we'll see the development of the talks Fury can go back because this will be an easy fight for him.
I'm not all that interested in what their side has got to say, just get it done. Anything else is just going to annoy me, and the rest of the fans I'd imagine. I'm not interested in the politics I just want this fight to happen. Personally for me, and I think I've said this before I want this fight more than the Usyk fight. That fight I'm not even all that excited for. I'd ideally like both, but I think I'm being a little bit optimistic considering these fights always take months at a time, and a whole bunch of chatter on the side.

Usyk will probably fight Wilder before Fury, and that fight will probably take an age to make. I see Usyk actually losing that one too.
Agreed, I love boxing but it is exhausting the games promoters and even boxers play in order for the fights to actually happen, it seems they really think that doing something like this encourages more people to actually watch the fights.

And who knows maybe it does? In my case I will watch a fight if I think the fight is going to be any good, but maybe I am a weirdo and people love the politics and the mind games, and this is why they are so prevalent in the world boxing.
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.....Joe Joyce won recently, and he is promoted by Frank Warren, both of them, so it doesn't make sense for Fury to choose Charr unless he wants an easy fight this December. Or just simply playing mind games as usual with Joshua and his camp.

Unless it's a mandatory opponent Fury can pick or even cherry-picked fighter of his choosing, Joe Joyce is a good choice for a great matchup but I'm sure he still wants the Joshua fight, he just wants Joshua to speed up the process of agreeing to the fight, Fury has a huge advantage on a fight against any of Joshua or Charr but not on Joyce, so he is not setting his eyes on Joyce, he knows he's a threat to his title and legacy.

Not sure, Joyce a threat to Fury? Fury is above all they boxers in the heavyweight right now.

And also Joyce volunteered as well to fight Joshua if his fight with Fury does not materialized. And I would say that Joshua has the good chance to beat Joyce.

But we all want the British showdown between Fury vs Joshua, less than that, fans might not watch or hype about who is either one of them are going to face next.
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.....Joe Joyce won recently, and he is promoted by Frank Warren, both of them, so it doesn't make sense for Fury to choose Charr unless he wants an easy fight this December. Or just simply playing mind games as usual with Joshua and his camp.

Unless it's a mandatory opponent Fury can pick or even cherry-picked fighter of his choosing, Joe Joyce is a good choice for a great matchup but I'm sure he still wants the Joshua fight, he just wants Joshua to speed up the process of agreeing to the fight, Fury has a huge advantage on a fight against any of Joshua or Charr but not on Joyce, so he is not setting his eyes on Joyce, he knows he's a threat to his title and legacy.
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It's hanging now, it looks like the fight will not push through, and based on the statement of Joshua they have done their thing but Fury just pull out of the fight, we need to hear Fury's side of the story, he is the one that offers the fight he sent the contract and maybe because of waiting too long he just wants to make it happen anymore, we'll see the development of the talks Fury can go back because this will be an easy fight for him.
I'm not all that interested in what their side has got to say, just get it done. Anything else is just going to annoy me, and the rest of the fans I'd imagine. I'm not interested in the politics I just want this fight to happen. Personally for me, and I think I've said this before I want this fight more than the Usyk fight. That fight I'm not even all that excited for. I'd ideally like both, but I think I'm being a little bit optimistic considering these fights always take months at a time, and a whole bunch of chatter on the side.

And it's just so crazy that Fury pushing for it, then issuing a ultimatum on Joshua, and then saying that he will be fighting a unknown in Charr? What will be get out if it? Money is him and Joshua simple as that.

Come to think about it why Charr though? Joe Joyce won recently, and he is promoted by Frank Warren, both of them, so it doesn't make sense for Fury to choose Charr unless he wants an easy fight this December. Or just simply playing mind games as usual with Joshua and his camp.
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If Joshua couldn't handle Usyk, I don't know how he could also solve a harder opponent as Fury. In the first place, Joshua couldn't probably put down as huge an opponent as Fury. And if Fury could survive the very powerful punch of The Bronze Bomber, then he could also easily survive a Joshua punch. Second, if the fight will last the distance, then Joshua could still be in a disadvantageous position because he is probably losing air faster than Fury.

I think it is a tougher challenge on paper, but sometimes fighting someone the same size has it's advantages. Usyk was much smaller and very agile, so harder to hit. Tyson and AJ are almost identical in stats, though Fury does have very small advantages is size and reach etc, but I think AJ will be able to hit him easier than Usyk. There's bad blood between Fury and AJ and has been for a long time, and Fury has only been adding fuel to the fire recently with the insults so that could maybe spur AJ on. AJ will also know that this is his chance to redeem himself so hopefully he doesn't waste the opportunity and fights like his life is on the line. AJ doesn't even need to win the fight as most people are expecting him to lose; all he needs to do is give a great performance and that will be enough for most. If it's a close fight they'll probably immediately call for the rematch as well, especially if it makes a fuck tonne of money, which it probably will. If this fight happens then they already have the deal for the rematch in there with a 50/50 split so it will be very easy to get sorted.

I think it is only on paper that this match will be a competitive one. In reality, this match is most probably lopsided in favor of Fury. This might end up like a fight between a lion and a donkey. I guess the truth is that Joshua doesn't belong to the class of Fury.

In terms of stats, I don't consider them identical. 3 inches in reach advantage for example is significant enough. Especially in size, it's not only a very small advantage that Fury has over Joshua. He's a much bigger man.

I agree that Joshua only needs to show a great performance against Fury. That he'll be defeated is almost a guarantee, so he only needs to prove that he's worth an opponent. But a 50/50 purse split for a potential rematch is not going to happen.
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It's hanging now, it looks like the fight will not push through, and based on the statement of Joshua they have done their thing but Fury just pull out of the fight, we need to hear Fury's side of the story, he is the one that offers the fight he sent the contract and maybe because of waiting too long he just wants to make it happen anymore, we'll see the development of the talks Fury can go back because this will be an easy fight for him.
I'm not all that interested in what their side has got to say, just get it done. Anything else is just going to annoy me, and the rest of the fans I'd imagine. I'm not interested in the politics I just want this fight to happen. Personally for me, and I think I've said this before I want this fight more than the Usyk fight. That fight I'm not even all that excited for. I'd ideally like both, but I think I'm being a little bit optimistic considering these fights always take months at a time, and a whole bunch of chatter on the side.

Usyk will probably fight Wilder before Fury, and that fight will probably take an age to make. I see Usyk actually losing that one too.
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Mahmoud Charr is now the next option for Fury.
Tyson Fury will announce Mahmoud Charr fight if AJ fails to sign

Is this a joke? Who is Charr, and who is Fury? I think Fury can take several Mahmoud Charr's during one event; Charr will be just an appetizer for Fury. Mahmoud Charr hasnt faced a good boxer in his career, had 3 year pause in his career and lost to a cruiserweight by KO. And that guy is willing to face current top1 boxer in the world ? The only person who wants that fight is Charr and money is his only motive.


A nobody. It's obviously just an easy tune up fight to keep the ring rust off before the Usyk fight next year. Nobody wants to see it though but it's probably who Tyson will fight if this AJ fight doesn't get sorted. According to Charr he signed a three fight deal to fight under Queensbury so Warren will probably just use him as a journeyman for his fighters.

But wasnt Fury the one who mentioned retirement first, then he challenged AJ, spoke about Usyk. And now he accepts to to keep the ring rust off with Charr? I barely see any logic behind this all. You want to fight best or try to scare with retirement, and now we see a fight against Charr. Now we get info from AJ that Fury pulls of the fight... Boxing is turning into Santa Barbara. But I guess this is all due everyone just want a bigger cheque.

It's really crazy out there, with all the hype and then all the news releasing in the social media that you really don't know who to believed at this point. Hearn and Joshua says that they are willing to sit down and negotiate, and now it seem the fight is off? Who's fault it is? And then we have a nobody trying to be the next big time in Heavyweight and Fury is going to fight him? Why not Fury just go with his retirement, until either Usyk or Joshua is available instead of fighting Charr?
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Mahmoud Charr is now the next option for Fury.
Tyson Fury will announce Mahmoud Charr fight if AJ fails to sign

Is this a joke? Who is Charr, and who is Fury? I think Fury can take several Mahmoud Charr's during one event; Charr will be just an appetizer for Fury. Mahmoud Charr hasnt faced a good boxer in his career, had 3 year pause in his career and lost to a cruiserweight by KO. And that guy is willing to face current top1 boxer in the world ? The only person who wants that fight is Charr and money is his only motive.


A nobody. It's obviously just an easy tune up fight to keep the ring rust off before the Usyk fight next year. Nobody wants to see it though but it's probably who Tyson will fight if this AJ fight doesn't get sorted. According to Charr he signed a three fight deal to fight under Queensbury so Warren will probably just use him as a journeyman for his fighters.

But wasnt Fury the one who mentioned retirement first, then he challenged AJ, spoke about Usyk. And now he accepts to to keep the ring rust off with Charr? I barely see any logic behind this all. You want to fight best or try to scare with retirement, and now we see a fight against Charr. Now we get info from AJ that Fury pulls of the fight... Boxing is turning into Santa Barbara. But I guess this is all due everyone just want a bigger cheque.
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I'm a fan of Fury, probably my favourite boxer. Although, it's hard to defend him when he's doing exactly what I dislike about boxing. The big fights just never happen, and it's exhausting. Also, the fact that he fake retires every other week. It gets exhausting. This is exactly the reason I looked to MMA, because at least the big fights happen, and they happen frequently.

I always assumed it was the promoters that were behind it, but it does seem Fury's just playing games, and having fun in his own head. At least Joshua looks like he wants to get the business done, despite being a heavy underdog. I don't know if this is an attempt to drum up attention for the fight by Fury, but he doesn't even need to sell this event. This is a classic among British fans, and assuming that's where it's likely to end up being at, there's very little publicity that actually needs to be done.

I don't know what to make of it, but it's exhausting, and highlights exactly what's wrong with boxing.

It's hanging now, it looks like the fight will not push through, and based on the statement of Joshua they have done their thing but Fury just pull out of the fight, we need to hear Fury's side of the story, he is the one that offers the fight he sent the contract and maybe because of waiting too long he just wants to make it happen anymore, we'll see the development of the talks Fury can go back because this will be an easy fight for him.

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I'm a fan of Fury, probably my favourite boxer. Although, it's hard to defend him when he's doing exactly what I dislike about boxing. The big fights just never happen, and it's exhausting. Also, the fact that he fake retires every other week. It gets exhausting. This is exactly the reason I looked to MMA, because at least the big fights happen, and they happen frequently.

I always assumed it was the promoters that were behind it, but it does seem Fury's just playing games, and having fun in his own head. At least Joshua looks like he wants to get the business done, despite being a heavy underdog. I don't know if this is an attempt to drum up attention for the fight by Fury, but he doesn't even need to sell this event. This is a classic among British fans, and assuming that's where it's likely to end up being at, there's very little publicity that actually needs to be done.

I don't know what to make of it, but it's exhausting, and highlights exactly what's wrong with boxing.
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Today on the news I saw Charrs trash talk who is outraged that Fury will continue negotiations with Joshua's team. Looks too fake, looks like it's just a blowing up the hype(an attempt haha) before this miserable fight. Now I am 95% sure that they will try to sell us this "super" Fury-Charr fight.
However, I was initially skeptical about the fact that the Fury-Joshua fight could be organized so quickly, so no surprise.
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If Joshua couldn't handle Usyk, I don't know how he could also solve a harder opponent as Fury. In the first place, Joshua couldn't probably put down as huge an opponent as Fury. And if Fury could survive the very powerful punch of The Bronze Bomber, then he could also easily survive a Joshua punch. Second, if the fight will last the distance, then Joshua could still be in a disadvantageous position because he is probably losing air faster than Fury.

Style could be contrasting though, so it's really hard to see how it will turn out and in paper it seems that Fury has all the advantage, power, speed, skills. But who knows, Joshua's back is against the wall, he need to make a good fight and win. And if this is going to be his defining moments, then he could win and pull one of the biggest upset. Let's wait for the official announcement. We have been waiting for this fight to happen many years ago and despite losing 2 to Usyk, maybe Joshua has still something in him as the stake is bigger here.
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If Joshua couldn't handle Usyk, I don't know how he could also solve a harder opponent as Fury. In the first place, Joshua couldn't probably put down as huge an opponent as Fury. And if Fury could survive the very powerful punch of The Bronze Bomber, then he could also easily survive a Joshua punch. Second, if the fight will last the distance, then Joshua could still be in a disadvantageous position because he is probably losing air faster than Fury.

Joshua will have to present himself well in the conferences he is the heavy underdog here and he needs to make people believe that this is his another chance to become a champion, but anyway I looked at it he's not going to win here, Fury just wants him to be another feather on his cap, Joshua has no advantage over Fury, he will have to get that earphone he loves to carry when he is in front of Fury, Fury will give him a lot of dose of thrash talks, I hope Joshua can stand the thrash talks, he is not only the king of a gypsy but also the king of thrash talks
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