Topic: [ BOXING POLL ADDED ] The Heavyweight Battle of Britain - FURY vs JOSHUA - page 2. (Read 813 times)

A nobody. It's obviously just an easy tune up fight to keep the ring rust off before the Usyk fight next year. Nobody wants to see it though but it's probably who Tyson will fight if this AJ fight doesn't get sorted. According to Charr he signed a three fight deal to fight under Queensbury so Warren will probably just use him as a journeyman for his fighters.


I think it is a tougher challenge on paper, but sometimes fighting someone the same size has it's advantages. Usyk was much smaller and very agile, so harder to hit. Tyson and AJ are almost identical in stats, though Fury does have very small advantages is size and reach etc, but I think AJ will be able to hit him easier than Usyk. There's bad blood between Fury and AJ and has been for a long time, and Fury has only been adding fuel to the fire recently with the insults so that could maybe spur AJ on. AJ will also know that this is his chance to redeem himself so hopefully he doesn't waste the opportunity and fights like his life is on the line. AJ doesn't even need to win the fight as most people are expecting him to lose; all he needs to do is give a great performance and that will be enough for most. If it's a close fight they'll probably immediately call for the rematch as well, especially if it makes a fuck tonne of money, which it probably will. If this fight happens then they already have the deal for the rematch in there with a 50/50 split so it will be very easy to get sorted.

If Joshua couldn't handle Usyk, I don't know how he could also solve a harder opponent as Fury. In the first place, Joshua couldn't probably put down as huge an opponent as Fury. And if Fury could survive the very powerful punch of The Bronze Bomber, then he could also easily survive a Joshua punch. Second, if the fight will last the distance, then Joshua could still be in a disadvantageous position because he is probably losing air faster than Fury.

Good, and I do agree that network sponsorship or at least broadcasting is a deal breaker for any fight of this magnitude. So if they are mature enough to sit down and discussed as to who is getting what kind of percentage, then Fury and AJ can be made.

So if we are going to believed everything here, the ball is on Hearn and Matchroom and see what will be their counter offer. Hearn has been in the media recently though so for sure he will pop up to either contradict or confirm what has been said here.

Is this a joke? Who is Charr, and who is Fury? I think Fury can take several Mahmoud Charr's during one event; Charr will be just an appetizer for Fury. Mahmoud Charr hasnt faced a good boxer in his career, had 3 year pause in his career and lost to a cruiserweight by KO. And that guy is willing to face current top1 boxer in the world ? The only person who wants that fight is Charr and money is his only motive.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_lS_eVNthFw

Looks like the fight is still possibly on. According to Tyson himself Dazn, BT Sports and ESPN have all agreed a broadcasting deal and in my opinion that was going to be the biggest stumbling block as all parties will want their fare share of the pie which was probably a difficult thing to do. Not sure what is holding the contract back from being signed now though. Fury seems to have capitulated on a lot according to the video and if he's to be believed. Hearn as been MIA all week from interviews so hopefully he gives an update soon.

I think, right now this is the only good fight available for Fury because he has already done with Wilder anyway. Now he really needs to beat this guy and continue to just simply earn a win. Maybe this is not a bad fight at all because we know Joshua has some skills that will gonna make the fight interesting and entertaining to watch. Hopefully, he won't get down easily and will manage to survive until the final rounds.

Ya, I don't think Joshua matched up well against Fury at all.  I think he probably would have lost and had a very long night while doing so.  I can understand why for his career's sake, he didn't want to do it.  Although I'm not sure he can get more money elsewhere.  If it's about getting paid and going about your day, I think he should've taken the fight.  The fact he didn't makes me think he believes he's still got a long career ahead of him in boxing.

Even if I think the majority of the boxing fans think that Joshua has almost no chance of beating Fury, there is a big difference between losing above the ring and losing before even getting above the ring.

To me this is even more damaging for Joshua, the fight with Fury is exactly what he needs to try to rebuild his career, plus the money being offered was good too, what else could Joshua possibly want? The only other possibilities that he may have is to fight Wilder or Ruiz, and neither of those two fights is going to be as good as a fight with Fury.

Based on the article you provided he will eventually sign the contract but of course, talks are different than having your signature on the contract, AJ's legal team is looking into the contract but Fury's giving him a fair share of the purse and a title bid what more can he ask for.

If he will not sign I back up his decision because this fight could send his career into oblivion, it's a very risky fight for AJ he can come back later to build his reputation and add more skills to get his motivation up again.

Tyson Fury Says Anthony Joshua Fight Is Off After Contract Deadline Passes
The fight is officially off the table now as Anthony Joshua's side did not sign the contract before the deadline. People will see AJ as a coward, but it doesn't matter, fury would have used him for practice and ruined his career the more.

Mahmoud Charr is now the next option for Fury.
Tyson Fury will announce Mahmoud Charr fight if AJ fails to sign

Tyson Fury has told Eddie Hearn and Anthony Joshua they have until Monday 26th September 2022 to sign the contract for the fight otherwise he will walk away.

Fury is obviously agitated and upset because he is desperate to get in the ring and beat either Usyk or Joshua but he is being hampered. Fury made every possible offer including date options and a 60/40 share of the fight purse because he desperately wanted to fight Joshua.

Fury said "If you want to play the game, come to the banquet and take your seat", you have laugh at the lines Fury comes out with  

Here is another: "Sign the contract, I'm going to smash your face in"  

Hearn made it clear Joshua will not be signing the fight contract, his excuse was there was not enough time to do various things before signing. That shows Hearn and Joshua as being frightened to accept the offer when he said "No chance".

Joshua later clarified he will sign the contract but not on Monday (tomorrow) but he did not say when he will do it either but claims the fight for 3rd December 2022 will go ahead  

This clearly shows Joshua is trying to escape getting in the ring with Fury because he simply is not good enough to beat him and he does not want to have a record showing three consecutive losses. He probably would jump at the chance of fighting Fury in a unification fight if he was not beaten by Usyk but those days are over. It looks like this is probably the only opportunity Joshua was going to get to fight Fury and he was too scared to take it.

Fury was right when he said: "I'm not waiting around for some guy who's lost three of his last five fights. He's lucky that I'm giving him a world title shot. If not he'll have to wait a long time to get another one.

"I don't mind chucking him a bone. But I don't want him to start dictating [stuff] to me. He is an invited guest at my party. My rules. So if you want to play the game, come to the banquet and take your seat. If not, go to your own banquet."

Yes and it maybe true that the media or Eddie Hearn build Fury and his career and everyone buys on that idea. But know that he is obviously exposed as not in the level of elite fighters and his mentally has change his he tastes his first defeat against the hands of Andy Ruiz, his aura of invincibility has been shattered.

Not sure though if he be a stepping stone because I haven't seen any young Heavyweight boxers coming up in ranks. But he will be just a second rate boxers, Usyk has taken his soul already.

Agreeing to the fight is one thing but making it actually happen is a different matter altogether. I see no reason for Joshua to drag his heels, he should be jumping at the chance to win the WBC belt and be the first boxer to beat Fury but he is not ready to face Fury. He should have rejected the fight and had a couple of warm ups before trying to match up to someone like Fury.

I quite agree that Joshua's days at the top are done. The losses and even the emotional breakdown right after the fight are a big sign that his career is now facing its end. Of course, he could continue fighting second-rate fighters. But the truth is that he's not anymore an elite fighter. But, yes, a lot of fighters would still want to face him and it's because he'd serve as a great stepping stone and he'd also be giving his opponent a bigger paycheck. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wQd_rdiQ5Ko

"EDDIE HEARN ADMITS, FURY VS JOSHUA BROADCASTING RIGHTS AN ISSUE; out of our hands"

As expected, it looks like the TV rights are going to be the ultimate hurdle. This is obviously the Tyson Fury show but dazn are going to want their fair share since they've paid for it with the AJ exclusive but I can't see them getting what they want. I'm sure they're looking at a 50/50 or 60/40 split but that isn't going to happen if Fury's camp is in charge.


I don't know where people get this logic from that a fighter is done after a couple of losses. AJ isn't expected to beat Fury either so as long as he puts in a good performance people will give him props. There's plenty of options for AJ after this fight. Him against Wilder would be huge, but I don't think AJ beats Wilder. Aj can do the Ruiz trilogy, or maybe even Usyk again for another trilogy at some point. Then of course Matchroom has a lot of fighters they could throw at him for easy fights - Chisora, Whyte again etc. Dazn have got exclusive rights for his fights so they're going to want to start seeing their moneys worth from him so I'd expect to see him fighting quite often soon enough. If this Fury fight doesn't get made I'm sure we will see him fighting someone on Matchroom's roster before the end of the year.

Yeah, he can fight the Otto Walins and Andy Ruiz' of the division. But he will never be the same after his back to back lost to Usyk. He once was HW bankable star, but once he was exposed by Andy Ruiz, then chance is style, fought Usyk suffered a back to back lost, his stock is not the same as it used to be. And if by chance he lost to Fury, then goes after Wilder, and again in any case he lost that one they he will fight second rate fighters, of course, the money is there but it won't be as big as he was the top dog of the HW. So he is on a dangerous position right now, whether he take the bait from Fury's camp or not.

Why his days will be numbered? He can always fight second rate fighters. Joshua has a big name in boxing, a lot of boxers will want to face him. Of course his rewards wont be as huge as they are now, but still. He will only loose popularity. Like Bronze Bomber aka Wilder. In 3 weeks he is having a fight against Robert Helenius and nobody on this forum gives much care about it

Yes, I would like to think that this fight should happen in the UK. But not sure if Fury will like the idea of a 50/50 split now since Joshua doesn't have the belt. But a offer of 60/40 from them is just about right as we have been discussing.


Coming from 2 big losses, yes Joshua's days are numbered, just one more fight that we have been demanded before, even prior to Fury making a comeback, and that is the fight between Wilder and Joshua. And if this fight is going to be made, and if by chance Joshua won, then maybe he can still fight and cash in.

Well, yeah there shouldn't be. Since, if you were to believe the headlines at the time they already worked out a split. Obviously, things have happened in the meantime, but I don't think the terms would need to change really. It needs to be in the UK, and they should just split the money. Although, obviously Fury will want more. I'd do a gentleman's agreement, and just go with the same terms they allegedly struck up last time.

One of the most frustrating things in boxing is the big fights not being made, but from Eddie Hearne's point of view, Joshua's days are numbered as a title challenger, and Fury also will probably be looking at two more fights, and then proper retirement. Whereas, Usyk also probably has similar thoughts. These guys have already had massive success each, and are getting on. So, it makes sense to just cash in, and make the fights against each other. That lines the promoters pockets, while also satisfying the fans.

And also if I may add as well, this fight could have been made, if not for the court case and then Joshua losing 2 fights on Usyk. But there are still financial incentives for them, again in the story line of all British fight and it should be held on their soil.

So if we are going to look at it, perhaps they have agreed upon before. So there should be no hindrance this fight if the fight is going to happen. There are dates and venues already, it's just not everything in paper and sign by this two fighters.