Topic: [Boxing]: Shakur Stevenson vs Robson Conceicao - Sept 23 - page 3. (Read 1768 times)

Yup, there are indeed some people who are saying that Robson might have won that fight and base on the judge's score, the gap wasn't far enough to say that Valdez has won dominantly. Although, I've read too that people aren't happy why they are letting Robson face Shakur when in fact Robson lost to Valdez already.

Anyway, this is the best chance for Shakur to prove again why he won against Valdez while Robson struggled to do so. As said above, Shakur is having a clean up program.

Robson is ranked number 2 by WBC and WBO, so I don't think it's irresponsible for them to match the champion of their belt at this weight division, against their second best.

And if you have watch the fight between Robson Conceicao vs Oscar Valdez, it was very close, others might have scored it on favor of Robson. But the rest is history, Shakur defeated Valdez and the he is trying to clean up both divisions by fighting the second best rank boxer.

Right? It's not good for him to keep on rushing things because that will just pave a way for his possible defeat and thinking that he can do the job done against Gervonta Davis during his debut in lightweight is much worse. Shakur is a decent boxer but he shouldn't force his luck just because he keeps on winning in super-featherweight now. His pretty record will be wasted if he won't test the water first.

^ how can one could not see the difference of the two by just looking at the odds. Shakur def has the edge of Rob.

Rob is sure gonna be robbed. isn't this irresponsible for wbo and wbc to match robson who lost against valdez and then match to someone who beats valdez?  shakur could fight a p4p and win by KO. robson is not ranked on p4p list.

Well, maybe betting everything on Conceicao is a bit irreverent with the statistics, but I know that anything can happen in favor of either of them, Shakur without a doubt when making a bet, he will have many scores in his favor, instead the bet in favor of Conceicao will be very low, which means that if he wins, he can take a good turn in terms of the payment of said winning bet, but this is something that goes beyond emotions, perhaps the reason in That moment may not be in its total balance, but what I do not want is for this fight to become in a very technical sense, where the judges have to give their final verdict.


Well, I see the Gervonta Davis thing as too rushed, for me apart from the fact that it is going from one category to another where he has not received the weight of the blows of that category, it seems to me somewhat daring to go for Gervonta Davis once, he has experience and for It would be great to be able to measure himself against such a fight, the advantage will obviously be Gervonta Davis, I don't know what strategy he can offer, if I were a boxer it would take at least a month to adapt to the weight, to adapt to the type of training that is much stronger For the one in the lighter weight category, it would really seem very risky to do so.


For me, Shakur has great potential, I think if he can keep 130 pounds because he won't be able to give him the pleasure of losing to Conceicao for something like that, this article refers to what is in context:


Shakur Stevenson Uncertain If He’ll Remain At 130 Pounds After Conceicao Fight


Source: https://www.boxingscene.com/shakur-stevenson-uncertain-if-hell-remain-130-pounds-conceicao-fight--167918

For me Shakur has a lot to offer, I think this is one of the reasons why he wants to gain weight and move up a category, however this shows that he wants to do things well and at a high level, my admiration for him, I hope things can turn out well for him, moving up a category can be difficult for a boxer, he's not used to his weight.

Well said, but as of now, it is not clear yet that Shakur is indeed having some troubles keeping his weight inside 130 lbs. and we will know soon if that news is true in their upcoming weight in as we will likely have the information we are trying to find regarding that issue.

It's much better if he can maintain his weight until we can witness an undisputed fight in super-featherweight before he moves in lightweight division.

It's not very clever if he rushes things just to get his much-awaited fight against Gervonta Davis, seriously that could wait. If he won't hold his horses then it's safe to assume that he is bound to get his first defeat if he goes straight to Davis when he starts to climb in the lightweight division.

Yes, fighting Davis is indeed money that's why there have been a lot of boxers who wanted to fight him because of that fact but career-wise, Shakur should test the water first for his debut and it's much clever if he goes for Ryan Garcia first because that will surely hype his name if he can successfully defeat Garcia.

Well as I said before, sometimes the statistics and numbers can be seen in a very optimistic way, but when I see something like that, and see so much difference, before making a determination, what I do is verify all the pertinent information and that I can get from the boxers, if there are interviews too, incredible things happen in the interviews because they give details of their training, they say how and how many hours a day they train, and I am in favor of a boxer who is very constant with his training and who If you have more hours of it, it is very likely that you will win, I know, because I also practiced contact sports, and when a training session is superior, it weighs heavily on the rival.

The truth is I don't think he has signed an agreement with May, however for me Shakur has a very high level compared to the other boxers and he has shown it in his fights, there is no need to try to say what he has achieved because his reputation speaks for itself, whoever he is going to be with will still have many victories to live, now with Conceicao I would not say that it is an easy fight, the boxer knows very well that he should not go for a quick knockout because Shakur clearly will not leave and I think that he has enough preparation not to let himself be given something like that, therefore Conceicao will have to have a better strategy to face him, since what is being measured here is the intelligence of each one.

Jojo Diaz could be a tailor made fight for Shakur at 135, in paper Diaz seems to be very good and a contender. But I think Shakur can beat him hands down.

Isaac Cruz and Rolly Romero might be dangerous for him because both have power in hands. Rolly Romero is awkward and might throw him off because he can find his spot, same as with Isaac Cruz. Those overhead shots might find it's target but Shakur can weathered that storm and win by decision.

^^ Yes, for sure a lot of good options for him. Doesn't necessarily fighting Tank at 135 lbs, as you have said, Rolly Romero and Isaac Cruz or even Jojo Diaz and then number 6 William Zepeda. So far 135 lbs looks like this:

Haney
Loma
Davis
Kambosos
Ryan Garcia

And then the fighter that I mentioned in the top 6 to 11-15.

But we will have to wait for the result of this fight first. Shakur should focus on Robson before he talks about fighting Tank in 135 lbs.

There are a lot of options for him to be honest, it's that his main goal is Davis.

He can wait for the Haney vs Kambosos fight or Loma. But he always insists on fight Davis right away when he moves up. Good test for him maybe the likes of Isaac Cruz or Rolly Romero to do if his defense will be effective to this big puncher at 135 lbs otherwise he might face a big knock out loss in the hands of Davis. Definitely there is money, but it might hurt him a bit at this new weight if he goes right away on Tank.

Not only that, but it's the only fight that make sense for him, as there will be money, huge money to be made by both fighters. So he is particularly zone in with Davis, and maybe just like what Ryan says, if the beat Davis, maybe they will get the respect that they needed. So all roads at 135 lbs money wise is Davis, but all the belts belong to Haney. So it's really up to him on which path he wanted, but it looks like Davis is his hit list for money and respect, it's just a matter on how he can demand Top Rank to give him that fight.

It's his confidence I guess, Shakur is coming up in the last couple of years while Tank has established his name already. And Shakur beat 2 champions in Herring and Oscar Valdez and that is enough for him to boost his confidence and thinks that he can beat anyone including Davis. But negotiations might not be enough as Tank is on the side of Floyd and we all know that Arum and Floyd has a bitter divorce, so not sure if this fight can be made in the future. And I'm also not sure though if Davis has sign a new contract with Floyd's promotional company or not.

Maybe he can as the possibilities are always open to each fighters during the match, we don't know if how they prepared for this fight and most of the time upset and surprises happens when the two fighters are throwing punches, so far the chance are equal and even bookies gives their side to whoever they think got the upper hands we can't conclude the outcome of this fight. We can give our opinions based on how we review previous fights and statistics and most of the time we favor the fighter that we follow.

That is the original plan and it will be pursued if Shakur can find some good way to keep his body at 130 lbs., but if ever he can't force his body anymore then it will be best for him to move to a higher weight class while he is still young because he will still struggle the same issues when he grows older. Besides, he is welcome to try fighting at 135 lbs. where Tank is situated.

I'm not sure what he is obsessed with Tank though, maybe it's there contrasting style and that he wanted to see how he will fare against a good power puncher and his defense trying to elude that one punch that will change the course of the fight.

And it's obvious that struggling to make weight, he should go to 135. But I'm not seeing him directly going up against the champion. Arum will have to set him up against perennial contender but not enough to pull an upset when he goes up.

I think we have a discussion that Shakur could clean up this division first or unify all the belts. But it seems that this might not be the plan after this fight with Robson.

If he can't squeeze 130 lbs in that body so there's no need to force him and still fight in this division. It might backfire on him as weight is a big issues for boxers. So yeah, he is all welcome to come in the next great weight class (besides the super welterweight).

As per Shakur, we might see him moving up to 135 lbs sooner than expected because he admitted that his body has difficulty making the 130 lbs limit.


https://www.boxingscene.com/shakur-stevenson-move-up-135-sooner-expected-tell-them-boys-get-ready--168907

And we all know that his target is Tank Davis. So if ever he wins and if he think that he is going to struggle to make the weight cut again, he will definitely go up. And then the 135 lbs will continue to be one of the most stock up weight classes.

I know that the odds suggest that Shakur is going to be the winner of this fight. Better obviously we cannot absolutely give no chance to Robson. He is a very capable fighter. But honestly, I think in this fight Shakur is going to be having the edge over his opponent. And the odds also look quite justifiable. I don't expect this to be a very close fight. But at the same time, I also don't expect this to be a walk in the park for Shakur.



Oh, and I also want to point out that obviously having a considerable amount of medals does not make one a better fighter. In spite of that, the medals do have some weight behind them. It is true that they mean something to us. If that had not been the case, those medals would have been given away for free. There is going to be a lot of action in this fight. Personally, I do see this fight going to the judge's scorecard. I really hardly believe that we might get a knockout result in this match, especially from Shakur.

I don't think they have the strength though, yes Robson gave Oscar Valdez one of his toughest fight but it doesn't mean it will be very close as well against Shakur. Stevenson is not a straight up knockout artist though, it's his body punch that knockout his opponent. But he is very good is like softening his opponent with pot shots to the head, while Robson will straight away look for a knockout punch.