Topic: [Boxing]: Shakur Stevenson vs Robson Conceicao - Sept 23 - page 6. (Read 1788 times)

That is something for which it is impossible to fight, there is not a boxing event that does not have to do with the great interest of money, in fact I believe that many fights are not made because they take all the probabilities and sales statistics that can occur and if they do not match their numbers, they do not do it until they are clear that many will attend and achieve the sales they want, this without counting the millionaire and whale bets that occur, as I have said before, boxing is apart from a sport a clear business model that many benefit from in the name of sport, all this sells and everyone knows that, where they benefit from a lot of money.


Although Shakur has already received a couple of knockouts, it does not mean that Conceicao will come to give him one just like it, I think that Shakur knows very well what his weak spot is, and he must stay very well away in the first round from a possible knockout, to My Conceicao's strategy will be to look for that knockout no matter what, it will not leave him alone, and because of how Conceicao is, I think he will try the first 3 Rounds, if it does not work out he will have to quickly stick to his second plan of action and that is when he should Be careful, because all the wear and tear has already been done, what you have left is to resist and wait to see how Shakur dictates the fight, this is what I think can happen.

Hard to predict, lots of scenario as you have said:

1. unify the belts at 130 first, I think he can beat Cordina and Roger Gutierrez - for his legacy
2. move up to 135 test the water first and maybe down the line Haney or Davis - for the money

So it really up to him and his camp, he is still young though, so plenty of opportunities along the way for him.

I agree, upsets seldom happen if the opponent is not a knockout artist/power puncher. Oscar Valdez was the underdog in their fight, so if Oscar KOed Shakur that could be considered an upset at least for me. Shakur is a defensive fighter and opponents will be having a hard time figuring out how to defeat him including Conceicao so a loss by Shakur is a slim possibility here.

I think the only way to sell Shakur's fight is through unification and a fight with Haney is the way to go. I think Top Rank is having a hard time promoting Shakur due to his style as ordinary fans won't appreciate his brilliance in the ring as they are more appreciative to knockout artist like Valdez.

And most upsets happened when the underdogs have KO power. Like what happened to Tyson-Douglas, Lewis-Rahman I, Lewis-McCall I, Mayorga-Forrest I, and so on. Kambosos although not a knockout artist with a 50% KO rate still managed to hurt Teo prompting the tempo of the fight to change. Conceicao on the other hand has less than a 50% KO rate plus he is fighting a young and super quick safety first boxer in Shakur. An upset is still possible but very unlikely.

So who's probably next after Conceicao? Move up to lightweight or try to become undisputed at super-featherweight? There are 2 more belts to collect for Shakur in the division with each of them owned by new champions just this year. New IBF champion Joe Cordina mentioned that he wanted Shakur while new WBA champ Hector Garcia I believe is not tied up to any rival networks of ESPN which is also very doable. But my dream fight for Shakur is to fight Haney before the undisputed champ moves up to super lightweight.

Upsets happen but sometimes it was due to the opponent being replaced in the last minute (beyond the control of the favorite), but the if he didn't prepare for the fight itself then even if he has all the talent and so called advantage, he will be beaten. So who knows, maybe Robson will caught Shakur or maybe Shakur prepared 100% in this fight. So for know, we shall just based on the odds, Stevenson will be the favorite and it's up to us whether we will go against it or bet on him but not on the ML because the value is so low, close to even no value at all.

We never know because upset is always around in every fight but we can't really forget the fact that Shakur has the most advantage in this fight over Robson, but the latter can still do whatever it takes to at least give Shakur a hard time so that this fight wouldn't look like to be a walk in the park for Shakur. The match will happen in less than a month from now, maybe the odds of Shakur winning by a KO/TKO might change in our favor.

Yeah, I also check the odds and there are no chances, Stevenson is way ahead is sport bookies and there is no value bet on him on the ML odds. And Stevenson has all the tolls and advantage in this fight. I just want Robson though to give Shakur all he can take, Herring and Valdez I would say is a clear and dominant win by Shakur. So hopefully we will see him react is push comes to shove. Robson can do that similar to what he did against Oscar Valdez and almost won that fight.

Even if Robson tries to drag the fight, it will not make some difference as it won't increase his chances to win against Shakur. Instead, Robson may try to use his height and reach advantage to make some room from getting punches from the agile Shakur so that the score won't be that much far but that again won't give him his chance to win. Nevertheless, I'd say that this will be in-favor of Shakur even if the fight hasn't happen yet.

Judging by the bookmakers' bets on this fight, Stevenson looks like a clear favorite and, as it seems to me objectively, he is 8 years younger than Conceicao, while they have the same experience in professional boxing, Stevenson is more technical and hardy, so Conceicao has very slim chances.

I don't know, I think I would put Robson to win because lately I think I see him with more desire to win, more desire to be a more explosive boxer with a lot to prove and that's something I call hunger, and when a boxer he has this type of "hunger" he forgets who he fights with, and he only believes in himself, that's why I put my faith in him, of course I'm not saying that shakur is going to lose, but in general terms if shakur is unmotivated or if he simply doesn't drink This fight is very serious, a surprise could happen to him and not a very pleasant one, this is something that he must be very clear about, I do not doubt his technique, but a needy man would make him be more careful.

Well you have to see that Stevenson will not leave a single centimeter of advantage, for now I know that Conceicao will come out with everything he has, what happens is that if he comes out like that, he will look for a knockout and I don't know how good that is, because when a boxer makes an effort like that, the amount of energy and strength he has to put in is a lot, although Conceicao is a boxer who can and his body has a way of resisting it, but the problem is that if he gets too exhausted, then his body will not respond to him as it is and that is where Stevenson can grab him, this is what can happen if he comes out with everything at the beginning with his strategy, a copsa that seems risky to me, but it is very possible.

The best that Conceicao can do is drag the fight and score as many points as possible, though I don't think he can outlast Stevenson or even read his moves given the speed of his opponent. Nevertheless this is a good stepping stone for Robson to train himself against a fighter that is much better than him in most aspects. No disrespect to Conceicao but I don't see him doing something to shook Stevenson even in the slightest. He can always give his best but we all know that this would never be enough, unless a miracle shines through and favors Robson on this matchup.

Not just Bob Arum but almost all of the promoters in the boxing industry would want to make money especially if they have a great boxer carrying their flagship. As for Bob Arum, he's quite good at it and frankly, he is quite fast enough to find a match for his boxers so that the money will be flowing straight. If I were a great boxer, I would want to land on Bob Arum's roof because of that reason but at the same time, smart enough to leave his roof when I already made a name in the industry as money will always follow.

That's his skills, he moves quick and he is not a knockout artist so he will be able to conserve his energy well. He is more like a technical fighter, knows how and when to attack, so this one should be another walk in the park fight. 

The odds speaks it all. This isn't really an exciting match. Although an upset is always a possibility in the sport of boxing, I cannot see how Conceicao would manage to defeat Shakur. Robson doesn't have the power to easily knockout Shakur. He doesn't have that strong haymaker that could suddenly turn the tide in his favor. Stevenson on the other hand is very much at his career's peak, very young and quick. And although he isn't a knockout artist either, he could easily outpoint Robson.

Maybe Arum really did have a good offer that time that's why he stays with him. But now that he is already aged, I mean has the experience already, made a name for himself, so it's about time to have his own decision as who he wants to fight and so he will have total control of his legacy.

So this is going to be Crawford's post-Arum, so let's see how much money he will get (if the numbers are there) and what will be his next move in his career after this one.

As what we have been saying all along this years, boxing is already a business. Unlike before when we also have a couple of boxer promoters. Now we have a lot, Eddie Hearn started to make himself a name, he used to be just on the British side of boxing, but now he is stateside So there are a lot of competitions that promoters like Bob Arum and even Oscar build their boxers through cherry picking a fight and make it all for the house money.

That is a part of the game, if they don't want to be used as an additional trophy in other boxers then they should improve their performance so that they will be the ones who will be using other boxers rather than being used. Makes sense, right?
We may hate Bob Arum for his tricks that might be unfair for his own boxers but he is good at making money while his boxers are also takes some benefit of that style. Truth is that Arum has made plenty boxers to be a big name in the industry and we can't deny that.

We can't really blame them for doing that because we might find ourselves in the same shoes if we were placed in Bob Arum's shoes, well, maybe there's some slight difference but the thing is that we also need to think how to make some money repeatedly because this is business in the first place and not all the time we will have a champion caliber in our promotion, so might be best to take some advantage for it.

That has been the strategy of Bob Arum over the years. He focuses mostly on how to make money from the boxers that he handles. However, we shouldn't unlike or hate him for that because he also does his part for boxers to create and establish a good career and name in the industry. It's just quite unfair for boxers who are being used and dragged down just to raise the career of their boxers.

That's already natural in this industry because promoters will try and tease the people first to make some hype before making the fight to reality, along the way the promoters will let their boxers defeat all possible foes first that they think won't stand a chance for their boxers. And for Crawford's case, let's not forget that Bob is also an important factor why he reached the position he had now but Crawford's mistake is that he waited long enough before he leaves Bob even though he already knows that Bob doesn't care for his legacy.