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This is quite an interesting fight as Devin Haney vs Regis Prograis meets for the WBC super lightweight title.

Of the two boxers, it can be seen in various promotions and also on social media that Devin Haney is more striking or he is more enthusiastic and full of confidence to win and can overwhelm Regis Prograis in facing him.
With his achievements as boxer who previously held the undefeated lightweight world title and has record (30-0, 15 KO) he looks very confident in his ability to be able to hold this WBC title.
But if you look at the performance of both of them, Devin Haney will be more agile and faster than Regis Prograis because in terms of age alone, the two of them have difference of around 9 years.

Who knows who will be the winner in this fight but making Devin Haney the favorite is also the right choice.

It's expected that he'll have a tougher opponent next time as his ranking has improve, and probably, they might look for a championship fight as they are very eager to put Ryan Garcia back as a champion, that if they were satisfied already on his performance on his recent fight.

Ryan before he got defeated by Tank is a very hype fighter, now there's mix reaction and majority has probably criticized him as they were expecting a big comeback win, not a KO win but has struggle in few rounds before the win, and the he didn't fight a high-rank boxer in the division.

I agree, just because he won that fight via knockout and was able to prevent further loss, he needs to work and improve his stamina because his next opponents could not have that kind of problem and will be faster and have some power punches than him. He has a lot of room for improvement and surely his comeback fight was really the most important one because it could be the same reason for him to train more and have some courage to add something to his skills and techniques.

Ryan Garcia won but I see a lot of weakness was shown with what he has done. Too much movement can be exhausting and if he is up against a fighter who has strong stamina then it will be a big problem for him.
But like I said before, this is his class weight and he can surely dominate it because of being young. That's his next weakness, he is too young and it's too obvious the way he performed. He sometimes forgets that the strategy was to just circle around until Duarte gets exhausted. Luckily, he still managed to follow the plan.
A win is still a win, it may look like an ugly fight but I think that's the strategy. Keep the distance, don't let Duarte get near and punish his body because he is also weak there. Another lucky coincidence is the referee was a technical official. He keeps on halting the fight for a warning which takes the rhythm out of Duarte.
But Ryan Garcia cannot find the same way the next time. There's always a way to stop that and the effects of exhaustion will be on him.

I guess he needs looking for a new one, his new style kills his old aggressive self. However, if Ryan prioritize winning over entertaining people, he might keep his coach as he got his first win, but it was really a dominant win although he scored a KO.

It's a few occations in boxing that a winner won by KO and yet fans are not happy, so Ryan should listen to the fans they are the reasons why he is making a decent paycheck in boxing, change his boring style and win at the same time, that's what we want to see.

He needs to adjust as that new fighting tactics seems not to be fit with how fans knew and expect from him, and like what you mentioned it's possible that once Ryan got cornered, he might dwell and returned to what he originally know in terms of strategy, both him and his coach needs to find that right tune of adjustments after this fight, they need to work on it if they are planning to challenge big names and a real champ from the division where they want to succeed.

There were many times Duarte came near and even cornered Ryan but the problem was his speed. Duarte's not known to be fast but he became too slow with the added weight. Ryan trained with a coach whose fighters are slick and technical so Duarte was the perfect pick.

But for me, I think Ryan picked the wrong coach or the wrong technique. He can't fight like that if he wants to become a world champion. He has to be honest with his natural fighting style. If he wants to retain James as his coach then at least they need to enhance his normal fighting style and not emulate something too unusual to him. Because the moment he's under pressure, he will surely return to his old style.

For sure Sean Garcia still wants to be in the footsteps of his brother and after the Draw results back in Korea maybe he is still positive about getting into the sports the same as his brother, for that is a real commitment if he still likes to make it that way, as for sure he needs to get this slowly and surely because they will never be the same as Ryan Garcia if he is positive in some way then he can surely get it going but don't expect much even though he is the brother of Ryan,


From what I have seen about Oscar Duarte he did not manage to make an adjustment on the fight he has trained for sure and has studied  the past movements of Ryan Garcia and he was really not into this kind of Style that Ryan Garcia does so for sure he was caught up with not really knowing what to do, as even the fans are really question mark on what Ryan Garcia was doing, for sure many was baffled on why there was running from him, so many are just booing him by doing this,

Thanks for this, yeah, something pop up on my youtube reels about the young Garcia also winning. He looks very similar to Ryan and his stance as well. But we all know that most of the times, it's seldom that we see two great boxers at the same time. Yeah, probably he fight continue to fight and make some money along the way and maybe hoping that he can be as popular as his brother. But he needs that talent though, not just the appeal and with that, he needs to really work hard and maybe train along with his older brother. Ryan next fight could be against Rolly Romero for that IBF belt I reckon.

Even though there is no title fight in the event I gave it a try because I expected good trades between Ryan and Duarte. But it ended up with Ryan using his newly learned techniques from James, the Philly Shell, and some running. There were so many openings on Ryan in that fight. Even light punchers Shakur and Haney would've easily stopped Ryan. But Duarte seemed lost in that fight. He was supposed to throw 3 to 5 right hooks on the side where Ryan is open but he can't. I guess Duarte was probably thinking about why he couldn't throw punches like he wanted to. But that was because he moved up 2 divisions north. He felt heavy and he was too slow to exploit the many openings in front of him.

If that was Ryan's last fight under GBP then he can sign with PBC to get that Rolly fight. Otherwise, he gets easily demolished by the champions, Teofimo, Prograis and Matias. But what can we expect though, he lost to Tank who's not even a world champion so how much more if he faces the real high-caliber fighters.

I see that Ryan's younger brother, Sean, is still trying to give professional boxing a try. I looked him up on BoxRec and his last fight was a year ago in Korea on the undercard of Manny Pacquiao's exhibition. He scored a draw in that fight against a local fighter with a 2-1-1 record and prior to that he got a majority decision against a 5-5 boxer. He is clearly not very good but perhaps we will see him on a Misfits Boxing card fighting against influencers.

Actually, as you have said, it was an exaggerated version for sure of the Philly Shell which is why it is weird watching him doing it, and for sure even though he has done it in the past this is very different, as this could potentially be in danger because Duarte consistently punching Garcia on the back of his head, that may cause some initial brain damage just like what happen with Prichard Colón, for sure it was really something that is not good for sure if he used that against Rolly Romero that may get a chance in hitting him in that part,

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We will be having a great event this week and I think many will love this because it is Haney who is fighting

Haney vs. Prograis

Saturday 12.09.2023 at 09:00 PM ET

Promotion: Matchroom Boxing
Venue: Chase Center
Location: San Francisco, California



MAIN EVENT
Devin Haney VS Regis Prograis

CO-MAIN EVENT
Liam Paro VS Montana Love

MAIN CARD
Ebanie Bridges VS Miyo Yoshida
Andy Cruz VS Jovanni Straffon

PRELIMINARY CARD
Beatriz Ferreira VS Destiny Jones
Amari Jones VS Quilisto Madera
Shamar Canal VS Jose Antonio Meza

All information was from Tapology: https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/104958-haney-vs-prograis
Main Thread In the Forum By inthelongrun: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/boxing-regis-prograis-vs-devin-haney-9th-of-december-5461472

^^ Garcia has been doing that kind of defense though, but he was not as slick as a black boxer. However, when he moves to train under James, it was evident that maybe he teaches him that defense, the Philly shell, but Garcia has a lot to train with that, as he over exaggerate it.

And it's good to see another familiar name there, Shane Mosley Jr., obviously the son of Shane Sr. We all know that Shane Sr is a good boxer as well during his prime, defeated Oscar Dela Hoya and almost knock down Floyd Mayweather.

As for Ryan, he wants a belt at 140 lbs so he is calling Rolly Romero as his next fight. Duarte though trying to get back in this fight, unfortunately he was waived as he got up at the 9 count and still has wobbly legs.

Results of the Garcia vs. Duarte Event

Garcia vs. Duarte

Ryan Garcia Defeated Oscar Duarte - KO/TKO
Floyd Schofield Defeated Ricardo Lopez - KO/TKO
Shane Mosley Jr. Defeated Joshua Conley - KO/TKO
Darius Fulghum Defeated Pachino Hill - KO/TKO
Sean Garcia Defeated Joseph Johnson - DECISION
Gael Cabrera Defeated Alejandro Dominguez - KO/TKO

Actually, I really don't know what happens to these 2 fights

Asa Stevens VS Dominique Griffin
Danilo Diez VS Jose Alvarado

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But for sure the Main Event was really something and for me, Ryan Garcia had a different technique in this fight that even he was really having a hard time doing himself maybe because it was his 1st time using it and also it is a move that is really dangerous for him but consistently draining the points of his opponent because Ryan Garcia now is always giving his back his defense now is a side view and consistently giving the back of his neck, I really don't know if this is the new style or technique but because of that Mayweather technique of his many are booing him right now, but for sure it was really a different Ryan Garcia always running but for sure it was effective and at the same time boring but for sure Ryan Gracia doesn't care anymore if you can't beat them join them, But for sure his new technique is Dangerous not for his opponent but for him,

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Benavidez is too strong a boxer, I wouldn't say that Andrade is a bad boxer or that he is not up to par, for me Benavidez has a better way of training and is very strong, apart from the fact that a boxer is always poor in his training Not in the fight, that's what all this is based on, I could say that things when it comes to a confrontation, the probabilities of an extraordinary event occurring, the possibilities are very minimal, I wouldn't get my hopes up, And although things like this have happened, where the least expected boxer beats the favorite and because obviously his training was harder, of course there are other fights that are not professional, more amateurish where a boxer who has not prepared very well beats him. who is the favorite, but it is due to illness or other reasons that the favorite boxer loses, there is no other option, I see it like this, in fact it is like that, but in terms of sport in professional boxing it is very difficult but not impossible for something like that happens.

They also believed that it would end in a quick knockout. As a boxer, if I had that ability, I wouldn't look for a knockout because a knockout would obviously lead one to do other types of things, and among those, to lose a lot of energy, so I wouldn't recommend it, I As an experienced boxer, what I would look for is to see the opponent's style, and if the other person wants to knock me out, what I would do is arm myself with my best defense, and then let the boxer get tired, because obviously when a boxer seeks to knock out what he It does is waste a lot of effort, energy, everything, so for me that is a double-edged sword, I do not consider it good to come out with a knockout, because there is no more strength to dose and diversify each round, and the truth is to fight without strength is The worst thing that can happen, I say this from my own experience, as a boxer what you want is a bed to go to sleep and then eat a lot, because sometimes the body is so dehydrated that not even saliva can stay in the mouth.

What is clear from any perspective is that they are unbalanced and should not be worth meeting because it can be confirmed that David Benavidez is the favorite, he has perfect winning percentage, you could even say that his victory is guaranteed.

It would be great if David Benavidez and Canelo Alvarez could actually meet because we would see the real champion but Canelo Alvarez has won many titles and he has got what he deserves in several classes that he has succeeded in mastering.
This would be very interesting fight if it could happen.

No, age will still affect it because if you can understand the fight from the start then you can see how the speed and agility of the two are very different and you can also see Andrade starting to falter when some of the punches that have hit him.
Breathing is major factor because Andrade is getting older, making his breathing worse because breathing greatly affects power performance and fighting performance.

The result of the Benavidez VS Andrade fight actually a great fight for David Benavidez, it was Round 6 retirement from his opponent while Jermall Charlo had a decent time by defeating Jose Benavidez Jr. For sure it was a great event but we have a next boxing event coming this weekend,

Benavidez vs. Andrade

David Benavidez DEF Demetrius Andrade - KO/TKO, RETIREMENT
Jermall Charlo DEF Jose Benavidez Jr - DECISION, UNANIMOUS
Subriel Matias DEF Shohjahon Ergashev - KO/TKO, RETIREMENT
Lamont Roach Jr. DEF Hector Garcia - DECISION, SPLIT
Michel Rivera DEF Sergei Lipinets - DECISION, UNANIMOUS
Vito Mielnicki Jr. DEF Alexis Salazar - KO/TKO
Muhammadkhuja Yaqubov DEF Pablo Vicente - DECISION, UNANIMOUS
Daniel Blancas DEF Raiko Santana - DECISION, UNANIMOUS
Curmel Moton DEF Hunter Turbyfill - KO/TKO
Israel Mercado DEF Wesley Rivers - DECISION, UNANIMOUS
Jabin Chollet DEF Jorge Perez - DECISION, SPLIT
Allen Medina DEF Alex Holley - DECISION, MAJORITY

In most of the boxing fights here, the result is expected and now that this event is finished, we will be having a great event next and it is between Garcia VS Duarte, and we also have the UFC even, for the MMA fans,

I believe 35 years old is still a prime age  although it maybe the start of the decline.  I do not think that the physical condition nor the age is the culprit or reason why Andrade losses, it is the difference in skill and defense that is the major factor of the result of the fight.


I know that the fight will end in by KO having Benavidez being the winner because as I watch the fight highlights of Andrade, his style lets him open for counters which is very dangerous when the opponent is Benavidez due to Benavidez's precision punching.

It's expected from David Benavidez. He is a monster. Tough chin. But I didn't expect that it would end like that. I mean I was expecting a KO instead of a stoppage.
Rounds 1 and 2 were trying to check the distance. He ain't that aggressive yet but when Round 4 came it was different and I think that's where the fight really ended when Andrade got wobbly after the knockdown. Andrade ain't fighting back and the referee warned him about that. It was supposed to be a TKO stopped by the referee but I guess Andrade's corner knows their fighter more that's why they stopped the fight. Benavidez is just too much for him.

I hear that Benavidez ain't stopping to challenge the king of super middleweight Canelo Alvarez. WBC should start making some appointments to make it happen. He deserves to get that fight as soon as possible. That will probably be one of the biggest fights in boxing history again so they better make it happen. A lot of money will be on the line.

With that, David Benavidez protected his WBC Interim Super Middleweight champion belt.

If you look at it physically, this fight doesn't look very balanced because Demetrius Andrade is older at 35 years old while David Benavidez is still 26 years old, so it natural that Andrade has not that good stamina and really lost in breath.
But you are right in predicting that this match didn't reach round 7 because Andrade team stated not to continue to round 7 which resulted in Benavidez having TKO victory.
But this is fight that Benavidez should have because he has all the advantages over Andrade.

This fight also generated very large amount of money for both fighters but David Benavidez got 75% share of the prize while Demetrius Andrade only got 25%.
And from this victory David Benavidez also increased his record to (28-0, 24 KO).