Topic: Boxing Speculation, Odds and Predictions - page 84. (Read 32123 times)

We all notice the good offense of Crawford but if we look closer, the good defense of Crawford enable him to launch good punches.  Aside from that the Crawford is way quicker in releasing devastating punches than Spence.  We can look at some confrontation where Spences throw an overhand punch while Crawford counter with an uppercut which connected first that made Spence to go down again in that fight.


But it looks like Inoue isn't rushing things.  I read that he will stay on the 122 pounds and will fight other great boxer on that weight division is somehow he unified the belt after a fight with Tapales.  So probably Inoue will stay for a year or two before aiming for higher weight division.

So, it is indeed final then because I sincerely thought that this fight did not materialized because of some issues along the way or it is not that profitable to make as I'm not hearing any news or noise about this fight in the past few weeks. Now I'm thinking that the reason behind that might be because of the big events happened recently that is why I did not hear any updates regarding this event.

Going back to the fight, and just like what I have said in the previous discussions concerning this fight, my bet would still be on the side of Jake Paul. Not because I admire him or what but because of the reason that this is a boxing fight and not a UFC fight where Nate got the advantages. It'll be the same as the Jake vs Woodley fight, the boxer will still have the last say and full control of the fight.

We are having an event on the boxing exhibition coming this August 05 and this is between the Iconic YouTuber VS the ex-MMA Fighter, here is the event details and cards,

Paul vs. Diaz



DATE: Saturday 08.05.2023
TIME: 08:00 PM ET
PROMOTION: Most Valuable Promotions
VENUE: American Airlines Arena
LOCATION: Dallas, Texas, United States

MAIN EVENT
Jake Paul VS Nate Diaz

MAIN CARD
Amanda Serrano VS Heather Hardy
Chris Avila VS Jeremy Stephens
Ashton Sylve VS William Silva
Shadasia Green VS Olivia Curry

PRELIMINARY CARD
Alan Sanchez VS Angel Beltran
Kevin Newman II VS Quilisto Madera
José Aguayo VS Noel Cavazos
Luciano Ramos VS Cee Jay Hamilton

Information was from Tapology: https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/100316-paul-vs-diaz

I agree.

Crawford was visibly the greater boxer on that match. Too many good thrown punches and KOs that has been made and all of it are clean. While Spence Jr. wants it toe to toe, it seems that he's too overwhelmed with his emotion and just want to get on him.

Many of us are counting for Inoue and if he's going to move to upper class for sure that he'll challenge each of them.

By the time that Naoya Inoue will reach the welterweight limit, (which I doubt because looking at his body frame, maybe lightweight division will be his limit) Terence Crawford might have already retired since he is now approaching his 36th birthday in September. So, technically, Crawford is the best welterweight boxer in this era because even if Inoue can catch up with him, we cannot have a debate about it because both of them came from a different era.

Clearly, Crawford was the one who win that fight after the knockdown in the second round and from that, it's all obvious that he will gonna dominate him through the rounds. no wonder why they delay the fight till now because they know they only have a slight chance to win against Crawford. not it's clear that he is the strongest welterweight in this era and I don't have any candidate for him unless Inoue will dominate every upper weight class until he reached him just like how Pacquiao does in his prime.

Crawford managed to beat Spence by TKO in Round 9, of course, this fight became history in the world of boxing because Crawford won the welterweight title and has an undisputed world record in two divisions.
The two professional boxers have very good fighting records so that Spence's defeat became a source of pride for Crawford because he managed to knock out the IBF, WBA and WBC welterweight title holders.

Now Spence must accept his defeat and learn that even though he is a strong boxer with many wins there are others who can beat him in a few rounds.

Usually though when there is a referee stoppage or at least he is going to stop the fight, he will go to the corner and tell the boxer and the trainer that if he didn't show something and he is hit then maybe he will stop the fight.

And obviously no fighter wanted to fight to stop, it's their ego that when the referee jump it, they want to continue. But as we can see Spence is really out class and dominated that it's just a matter of time that the referee will do his job and protect the boxers. One classic example is Pacman vs Margarito, the referee didn't stop the fight eventhough Margarito is brutally beaten. He injured his eye permanently, and there were interviews surfacing lately saying that he regrets that fight, as he should quit or ask the corner to wave the white flag. But it's too late now, as I have said, he is a totally different boxer after that and his eye took the tool of that left hand coming from Manny. Even Pacman begs the referee to stop it. So in this case, it's a good decision.

I don't disagree with the referees' decision because it will be stopped somewhere there or in the next round, I am just saying the timing of the stoppage had always been in the wrong time. Just when the boxer is trying to fight back or defending well. There was a lot of opportunity to do that when Spence is having a hard time fighting back, but when he does that's when the referee came in, as a boxer that will make you question why he would do that in the middle of the heat of the fight.
Well, they still showed an interesting matchup, who else is out there to try and defeat Crawford but only Spence? I just don't like the way he is acting now not wanting the rematch at 147. But, if he thinks 154 is his weight then he should start challenging the champion there instead of doing the rematch against Crawford. If he is not in perfect condition in a lower weight class then he is better off trying to dominate the other. Don't make it an excuse for losing because it's just going to hurt his reputation. He still has a lot of fans and no one is actually forcing him to do the rematch, it's just him trying to get revenge in a different way where the other fight will have a tougher time than him. He is the challenger now so he cannot make the rules and I doubt Crawford's camp will agree with that.

The IQ and speed of Inoue are really amazing, while Fulton is still wondering what hit him, I really think it was the incredible speed of Naoya Inoue that got Fulton, and in an interview on Nonito Donaire in their 2nd fight he said that he doesn't know what had hit him means it was really that fast for the flash Donaire to not even see it, so for sure Fulton have reacted the same on those punches of Naoya Inoue,

Well Sad to say next fight will be with Marlon Tapales and because Marlon Tapales holds the IBF and WBA Super Bantamweight titles this fight is really inevitable his going to get and unified that belt for sure,


This is pretty much obvious in fighters that are full of themselves, high and mighty, and has a big ego,  and Stephen Fulton is one of them, for sure he will not give credit to anybody and this is his 1st loss to a Japanese fighter, it was really a shame for someone like Fulton gets defeated on his fight to a guy that is really this powerhouse, and Fulton still doesn't realize that he was 100% beaten up by Inouse,

Yes, whatever division it is the advantage still be on Crawford's side, we witness how he dominated Spence and given that chance to have that rematch on another weight division I still believe that the outcome might be similar, Crawford will dominate and Spence won't have any chance in winning, unless Crawford will be careless and allow Spence to throw solid combination, which is far from how I believe with the way Crawford is fighting.

He's good at protecting himself and countering whatever attempt his opponent will try to make sure that he's still on a dominating side.

 

I had already said that Terence Crawford would win this fight, for me it was very clear, Terence Crawford's physique and skills are simply incredible, and much better than Spence and in this fight that even though I didn't watch the full fight unfortunately, I could only watch the videos of the fight summary, I could see that Terence Crawford was being much more accurate with his punches and as you yourself said, Spence lost his balance a little and that's why the referee interfered, it seemed to me that if the referee didn't interfere then this fight would have ended sooner and with a loss to Spence who could be injured

Spence's problem is that he cornered Terence Crawford and started throwing a lot of punches without stopping, but at the same time he lowered his head and forgot that Terence Crawford, when he punched him, could do more damage, just look at Spence's face. Spence to see that in this fight his face became a punching bag for Terence Crawford, I believe that doing a rematch would not be very productive, he would lose again and it would only be something that would affect him psychologically and in terms of image, one fighter who loses and wants to fight again with the person who defeated him shows that he does not accept defeat

I think Bob is the reason that it took until Bud aged 35. Even at such an age, it's shockingly one-sided domination of Crawford that he made Spence useless by using the angles and jabs.
Made me think Spence was just overrated which is also making the fight easiest for Crawford.

Spence wasn't discouraged after the 2nd beat though, he couldn't answer back in the ring but he is man enough to not make excuses in the interview. All credit to him still.

Agreed. Errol Spence Jr. cannot make a difference even if a bout will be made at 154 and if I were Crawford, I'll gladly accept it because at 154 lbs., I have nothing to lose. Just a pure monkey business, nothing else because it's clear enough that he will be winning the fight even if it will be made 5 more times.

Moreover, there is nothing for Spence to prove because he will just get embarrassed if he will force himself for a rematch. Time for him to move on and accept the fact that he is not the one who is set to dominate the welterweight in their era.

Now it all made sense why Spence chose to fight Crawford in a much later age because if the latter was a bit younger, he could've suffered more than we he had suffered earlier.

Even at 154 lbs, I have a feeling he will still lose to Crawford. There might be some doubts if he won via a close decision, but it was a stoppage which resulted in a TKO win for Crawford. Maybe he needs to accept early that he can't beat Crawford, or it's possible that he is after a rematch to make more money.

Regardless, I think the fight is not fun to watch anymore, as usually a rematch would only be interesting when the first fight is close or controversial. That specific fight wasn't; it was very clear how Crawford dominated the bout, and based on the unofficial scorecards, Spence only won the first round.

Spence wanted to exercise the rematch, but he said he wanted it to 154 lbs? Does it mean he uses that excuses that he is drain at 147 lbs? Although he said no excuses, but it seems this is what he is trying to say here, we just have to read between the lines.

For the referee stoppage, I think there is no controversy whatsoever, he was about to go down and it's good that the referee stop the fight to save him from further damage or humiliation if he finds himself on the floor and being counted out by the referee.

Referees keep stopping the fight at the wrong time. Or am I just used to UFC stoppages? 
The right timing, when the fighter was not able to defend himself anymore, when he is not avoiding, not blocking, hands down, or just can't fight anymore.
Today, Errol Spence Jr. lost to the now champion who holds 4 titles Terrence Crawford and Spence might be heartbroken because of the referee stopping it. I don't know, for me, he can still fight, he can avoid the punches or take them and although he was knocked down so many times he can still get up without wobbly legs. Tough chin.

But all in all, Terence Crawford really fought well. Congratulations to him.
Now, Spence has a chance for a rematch and he said they will do it again. Will be waiting for him to return stronger. This is what losses are for, to go back tougher and better.

Looks like it's in West Virginia, a very backwards part of the country with one of the worst levels of education. 9 years old might be a bit young but you can still be an amateur boxer at that age. This fight does appear to be sanctioned by USA Boxing, so it's not just some unregulated hillbilly bare knuckle brawling type of event as some might assume based on the location and how it's being covered in the media.

https://bloodyelbow.com/2023/07/27/child-boxing-in-west-virginia/

Who would get a sympathy if right from the start he was already throwing excuses and made a baseless arguments that doesn't really make sense at all and instead of sympathy, he did received the very opposite of it and which he deserved by the way.

In the end, Inoue's way of hand wrapping is legal and their camp did explained it beforehand that in Japan, it was legal just like how the set of rules varies from each state and country. And if it was legal, then there should be no excuses because you'll look foolish if you're making an argument towards a legal matter.

He won't get the sympathy of the fans as it was very obvious he lost the fight. Prior to the fight, his team already made a statement that seemed to accuse Inoue of cheating, specifically, of loading his gloves. However, eventually, things were sorted out, and the fight still continued. I hope the time will come when Fulton will be able to accept the defeat. He was even appreciated because of his bravery; he came to Japan to give his challenger a fight, and it's just unfortunate that he lost. But there's nothing to be ashamed of, as Inoue will soon be a hall of Famer in boxing.



I'm not 100% sure he'll win, but honestly, I believe the chance of Tapales winning the fight is very slim. I also admire how brave Tapales is because he challenged Inoue for a unification bout. So, I can say he truly is a warrior as he wants to fight the best.