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Welterweight? that is 147 lbs? not belittling Inoue's capacity to go up in weight classes, but perhaps at 130-135 lbs, he might have a hard time to go that high. First boxers in that weight limit will obviously bigger than him, second they are naturally on that weight classes, so they are used to carry that weight and power with them. Third, I don't think that it's a wise decision for Inoue to chase the Pacquiao record because it's very hard to do that. Manny is very different level as you can see, his legs along as being compared to a tree trunk, meaning he is gifted in the beginning.

Crawford has shown the ferocity of his fighting style and he has successfully shown to be the strongest for welterweight even he managed to get 4 titles at once.
Right now, I also don't see an opponent who deserves or can dominate the fight at welterweight and it looks like Crawford will be the strongest for some time to come.

Inoue is now at junior flyweight, junior bantam and batam in 3 different classes. Inoue has managed to become world champion in all three classes and maybe he can catch up to welterweight but it will take a long time if he wants to beat Crawford.

Crawford showcase his skills in this fight, keeping the mouth of everyone who believes that Spence is better than him, with that KO it's a statement that he proves that he deserves all belts from this division, waiting for whatever updates if there's a rematch or if another fighter will challenge Crawford and how he will deal with his next fight.


It's expected that Inoue will challenge Tapes to unify all the belts again. Just wait for the final announcement if when it will be.

crawford put all his bashers down that fight night. a clear win over spence and not just UD or split decision but KO win. so spence's camp can say anything about dehydration factor but people knew that crawford totally deserve such belts.
now, when it comes to inoue, i believe he will stay at least a year on this weight division, and maybe fight tapales. i don't think he will go up for his next fight very soon.

Yeah, I think you are right. When I saw Spence's face too, it was not in a good way anymore. I just want the referees' right timing of their stoppage because in all the recent fights that I watched most of the stops were not at the right time.
Remember Rolando Romero winning a TKO over Ismael Barroso where the referee stopped the fight while Barroso is still fighting back? That fight I cannot erase on my head up until now and there's more just recently where the referees can stop the fight earlier but as soon as the boxer recovered and fought back that's when they will stop it. That's the worse moment to conclude that the boxer cannot fight anymore.
Anyway, I made my point so I'll end it there. I just hope they will do it better next time.

I am a Nate Diaz fan in UFC but not in boxing. I don't think I will be betting for him on this fight. This is just a money-making event and I doubt the promoter will let himself lose on this fight. So, Jake Paul, it is for the win. The odds are 1.28 for Paul, not bad for profits.

We all notice the good offense of Crawford but if we look closer, the good defense of Crawford enable him to launch good punches.  Aside from that the Crawford is way quicker in releasing devastating punches than Spence.  We can look at some confrontation where Spences throw an overhand punch while Crawford counter with an uppercut which connected first that made Spence to go down again in that fight.


But it looks like Inoue isn't rushing things.  I read that he will stay on the 122 pounds and will fight other great boxer on that weight division is somehow he unified the belt after a fight with Tapales.  So probably Inoue will stay for a year or two before aiming for higher weight division.

So, it is indeed final then because I sincerely thought that this fight did not materialized because of some issues along the way or it is not that profitable to make as I'm not hearing any news or noise about this fight in the past few weeks. Now I'm thinking that the reason behind that might be because of the big events happened recently that is why I did not hear any updates regarding this event.

Going back to the fight, and just like what I have said in the previous discussions concerning this fight, my bet would still be on the side of Jake Paul. Not because I admire him or what but because of the reason that this is a boxing fight and not a UFC fight where Nate got the advantages. It'll be the same as the Jake vs Woodley fight, the boxer will still have the last say and full control of the fight.

We are having an event on the boxing exhibition coming this August 05 and this is between the Iconic YouTuber VS the ex-MMA Fighter, here is the event details and cards,

Paul vs. Diaz



DATE: Saturday 08.05.2023
TIME: 08:00 PM ET
PROMOTION: Most Valuable Promotions
VENUE: American Airlines Arena
LOCATION: Dallas, Texas, United States

MAIN EVENT
Jake Paul VS Nate Diaz

MAIN CARD
Amanda Serrano VS Heather Hardy
Chris Avila VS Jeremy Stephens
Ashton Sylve VS William Silva
Shadasia Green VS Olivia Curry

PRELIMINARY CARD
Alan Sanchez VS Angel Beltran
Kevin Newman II VS Quilisto Madera
José Aguayo VS Noel Cavazos
Luciano Ramos VS Cee Jay Hamilton

Information was from Tapology: https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/100316-paul-vs-diaz

I agree.

Crawford was visibly the greater boxer on that match. Too many good thrown punches and KOs that has been made and all of it are clean. While Spence Jr. wants it toe to toe, it seems that he's too overwhelmed with his emotion and just want to get on him.

Many of us are counting for Inoue and if he's going to move to upper class for sure that he'll challenge each of them.

By the time that Naoya Inoue will reach the welterweight limit, (which I doubt because looking at his body frame, maybe lightweight division will be his limit) Terence Crawford might have already retired since he is now approaching his 36th birthday in September. So, technically, Crawford is the best welterweight boxer in this era because even if Inoue can catch up with him, we cannot have a debate about it because both of them came from a different era.

Clearly, Crawford was the one who win that fight after the knockdown in the second round and from that, it's all obvious that he will gonna dominate him through the rounds. no wonder why they delay the fight till now because they know they only have a slight chance to win against Crawford. not it's clear that he is the strongest welterweight in this era and I don't have any candidate for him unless Inoue will dominate every upper weight class until he reached him just like how Pacquiao does in his prime.

Crawford managed to beat Spence by TKO in Round 9, of course, this fight became history in the world of boxing because Crawford won the welterweight title and has an undisputed world record in two divisions.
The two professional boxers have very good fighting records so that Spence's defeat became a source of pride for Crawford because he managed to knock out the IBF, WBA and WBC welterweight title holders.

Now Spence must accept his defeat and learn that even though he is a strong boxer with many wins there are others who can beat him in a few rounds.

Usually though when there is a referee stoppage or at least he is going to stop the fight, he will go to the corner and tell the boxer and the trainer that if he didn't show something and he is hit then maybe he will stop the fight.

And obviously no fighter wanted to fight to stop, it's their ego that when the referee jump it, they want to continue. But as we can see Spence is really out class and dominated that it's just a matter of time that the referee will do his job and protect the boxers. One classic example is Pacman vs Margarito, the referee didn't stop the fight eventhough Margarito is brutally beaten. He injured his eye permanently, and there were interviews surfacing lately saying that he regrets that fight, as he should quit or ask the corner to wave the white flag. But it's too late now, as I have said, he is a totally different boxer after that and his eye took the tool of that left hand coming from Manny. Even Pacman begs the referee to stop it. So in this case, it's a good decision.

I don't disagree with the referees' decision because it will be stopped somewhere there or in the next round, I am just saying the timing of the stoppage had always been in the wrong time. Just when the boxer is trying to fight back or defending well. There was a lot of opportunity to do that when Spence is having a hard time fighting back, but when he does that's when the referee came in, as a boxer that will make you question why he would do that in the middle of the heat of the fight.
Well, they still showed an interesting matchup, who else is out there to try and defeat Crawford but only Spence? I just don't like the way he is acting now not wanting the rematch at 147. But, if he thinks 154 is his weight then he should start challenging the champion there instead of doing the rematch against Crawford. If he is not in perfect condition in a lower weight class then he is better off trying to dominate the other. Don't make it an excuse for losing because it's just going to hurt his reputation. He still has a lot of fans and no one is actually forcing him to do the rematch, it's just him trying to get revenge in a different way where the other fight will have a tougher time than him. He is the challenger now so he cannot make the rules and I doubt Crawford's camp will agree with that.

The IQ and speed of Inoue are really amazing, while Fulton is still wondering what hit him, I really think it was the incredible speed of Naoya Inoue that got Fulton, and in an interview on Nonito Donaire in their 2nd fight he said that he doesn't know what had hit him means it was really that fast for the flash Donaire to not even see it, so for sure Fulton have reacted the same on those punches of Naoya Inoue,

Well Sad to say next fight will be with Marlon Tapales and because Marlon Tapales holds the IBF and WBA Super Bantamweight titles this fight is really inevitable his going to get and unified that belt for sure,


This is pretty much obvious in fighters that are full of themselves, high and mighty, and has a big ego,  and Stephen Fulton is one of them, for sure he will not give credit to anybody and this is his 1st loss to a Japanese fighter, it was really a shame for someone like Fulton gets defeated on his fight to a guy that is really this powerhouse, and Fulton still doesn't realize that he was 100% beaten up by Inouse,

Yes, whatever division it is the advantage still be on Crawford's side, we witness how he dominated Spence and given that chance to have that rematch on another weight division I still believe that the outcome might be similar, Crawford will dominate and Spence won't have any chance in winning, unless Crawford will be careless and allow Spence to throw solid combination, which is far from how I believe with the way Crawford is fighting.

He's good at protecting himself and countering whatever attempt his opponent will try to make sure that he's still on a dominating side.

 

I had already said that Terence Crawford would win this fight, for me it was very clear, Terence Crawford's physique and skills are simply incredible, and much better than Spence and in this fight that even though I didn't watch the full fight unfortunately, I could only watch the videos of the fight summary, I could see that Terence Crawford was being much more accurate with his punches and as you yourself said, Spence lost his balance a little and that's why the referee interfered, it seemed to me that if the referee didn't interfere then this fight would have ended sooner and with a loss to Spence who could be injured

Spence's problem is that he cornered Terence Crawford and started throwing a lot of punches without stopping, but at the same time he lowered his head and forgot that Terence Crawford, when he punched him, could do more damage, just look at Spence's face. Spence to see that in this fight his face became a punching bag for Terence Crawford, I believe that doing a rematch would not be very productive, he would lose again and it would only be something that would affect him psychologically and in terms of image, one fighter who loses and wants to fight again with the person who defeated him shows that he does not accept defeat

I think Bob is the reason that it took until Bud aged 35. Even at such an age, it's shockingly one-sided domination of Crawford that he made Spence useless by using the angles and jabs.
Made me think Spence was just overrated which is also making the fight easiest for Crawford.

Spence wasn't discouraged after the 2nd beat though, he couldn't answer back in the ring but he is man enough to not make excuses in the interview. All credit to him still.

Agreed. Errol Spence Jr. cannot make a difference even if a bout will be made at 154 and if I were Crawford, I'll gladly accept it because at 154 lbs., I have nothing to lose. Just a pure monkey business, nothing else because it's clear enough that he will be winning the fight even if it will be made 5 more times.

Moreover, there is nothing for Spence to prove because he will just get embarrassed if he will force himself for a rematch. Time for him to move on and accept the fact that he is not the one who is set to dominate the welterweight in their era.

Now it all made sense why Spence chose to fight Crawford in a much later age because if the latter was a bit younger, he could've suffered more than we he had suffered earlier.

Even at 154 lbs, I have a feeling he will still lose to Crawford. There might be some doubts if he won via a close decision, but it was a stoppage which resulted in a TKO win for Crawford. Maybe he needs to accept early that he can't beat Crawford, or it's possible that he is after a rematch to make more money.

Regardless, I think the fight is not fun to watch anymore, as usually a rematch would only be interesting when the first fight is close or controversial. That specific fight wasn't; it was very clear how Crawford dominated the bout, and based on the unofficial scorecards, Spence only won the first round.