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Quote from: bbc.reporter on June 26, 2023, 11:37:15 PM

Quote from: Kemarit on June 25, 2023, 09:17:16 PM

There were news that Deontay Wilder has set the contract to the camp of Andy Ruiz Jr.

And Andy seems to have responded already based on that and said that yes, there is negotiations going on and he is coming after the Bronze Bomber. So let's see, hopefully the earlier the better for this to happen.

Because there is also news floating around that AJ vs Wilder in December. And Francis Ngannou said that he also have a fight with Wilder after December.

https://twitter.com/calfkickercom/status/1669903199199690753

I heard conflicting news. Eddie Hearn confirmed in one of his interviews that Deontay Wilder will fight Anthony Joshua on December.

Also, it would be a mistake if Francis Ngannou fought Wilder, I reckon. Ngannou's team should negotiate for a fight vs. Tyson Fury. It will be the biggest money he can get while the hype is still alive. If Ngannou fights Wilder for a smaller amount and loses, this will kill the hype and all interest for Fury vs. Ngannou will die.

In any case, there is also some rumors that Ryan Garcia will fight Rolly Romero in September if the contracts are signed this month.

The fight between Wilder and Andy Ruiz might be in jeopardy as the camp of Ruiz didn't accept the proposed fight, specially his father is fuming over the contract. They wanted a 50/50 split of the purse, but the camp of Wilder just gave them 30% which for them is not fair since Wilder is no longer a champion and then fought cherry picking Helenius.

While Ruiz put a great display against King Kong Ortiz. So let's see, if this fight not happening then maybe Wilder vs Joshua can happen this December.

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Quote from: btc_angela on June 27, 2023, 03:54:30 AM

It was also a big surprised to me to see Franco announcing his retirement at a young age of 27. But as you have said, even the best of them Ryan Garcia suffers from it and it took time for him to recover, and then change coach from Reynoso->Goosen.

I think Franco realized he can't become big and popular in boxing, so he retired earlier and choose other way to make money. A boxer retired early remind me with Naseem Hamed where many people speculate he's the next Muhammad Ali, but it's not. After he suffer his first lose and win in the next fight, he retired early at 28 years old.

Ryan Garcia is already popular and he can make money even though he cherry pick his opponent, but he dare to accept to fight with Tank and accepting his first lose.

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Quote from: Fredomago on June 27, 2023, 07:39:35 AM

We might hear news and updates after his retirement and if by chance he will be back, it might be another journey for him to bring that name up and hypes his career just in case a change in heart will take place.

Let's not overthink it. It's normal to experience losses in boxing. Donaire didn't even consider retiring after his loss to Inoue, so I'm confident that Franco can mentally overcome his own experience. It's the will that matters, and with proper training, he could potentially make a comeback, perhaps in a higher weight class to avoid difficulties in adjusting.

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Quote from: btc_angela on June 26, 2023, 05:50:58 AM

I've read that Joshua Franco has retired after his lost to Ioka in Japan.

We know that he lost his belt on the scale because he didn't make the weight in their fight, 115 lbs and was over the limit and even weight as high as super bantamweight. He cited though, that he has go to thru a lot emotionally and so another case of mental issues. And so before it blows up, he just decided to retire for good.

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“For the majority of my career I have been going through a lot of mental problems that I was doing my best to control. I never liked talking about it publicly because I didn’t want anyone to think I ever made an excuse for anything or for anyone to look at me different. I battled through it as much as I could to still perform and give you guys some great fights. For anyone that battles through any type of mental health issues please know you are not alone. And you can’t let anything stop you from achieving your dreams.

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/joshua-franco-announces-shock-retirement-at-age-27/265240

What an unfortunate news this is. If indeed Joshua Franco has retired then that mental health issue is true and this is not a problem that we could overcome by weeks time, took a lot of time to recover from this health issue. That also might be the reason why his performance was sub par on his first match with Ioka and not making the weight big time is result of this whole mental health issue.

Franco is still young, 27 years old to be exact, i hope he can continue his career when this whole ordeal is over.

Wow, lot of boxers now having this mental health issue, first it was Ryan Garcia but recovered so no reason why we can't see Franco 2 years from now.

It was also a big surprised to me to see Franco announcing his retirement at a young age of 27. But as you have said, even the best of them Ryan Garcia suffers from it and it took time for him to recover, and then change coach from Reynoso->Goosen.

Have some tuneup and then lost to Davis. Maybe after Franco conquer his inner demons, then maybe we can see him back in the next couple of years with renewed interest to become a champion again. It's not that late as he still will be in his late 20's early 30's and still can fight and pull the trigger. The landscape of his weight class might be very different though if he comes back.

Though I agree with what you just said, he still young and if he decide to fight back, he still have that capability, but that inner will is something that hard to overcome, if his interest or if it's a health issue, there's already inside him that will doubt himself and prevent him in doing his best.

We might hear news and updates after his retirement and if by chance he will be back, it might be another journey for him to bring that name up and hypes his career just in case a change in heart will take place.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on June 27, 2023, 01:43:19 AM

Quote from: btc_angela on June 26, 2023, 05:50:58 AM

I've read that Joshua Franco has retired after his lost to Ioka in Japan.

We know that he lost his belt on the scale because he didn't make the weight in their fight, 115 lbs and was over the limit and even weight as high as super bantamweight. He cited though, that he has go to thru a lot emotionally and so another case of mental issues. And so before it blows up, he just decided to retire for good.

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“For the majority of my career I have been going through a lot of mental problems that I was doing my best to control. I never liked talking about it publicly because I didn’t want anyone to think I ever made an excuse for anything or for anyone to look at me different. I battled through it as much as I could to still perform and give you guys some great fights. For anyone that battles through any type of mental health issues please know you are not alone. And you can’t let anything stop you from achieving your dreams.

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/joshua-franco-announces-shock-retirement-at-age-27/265240

What an unfortunate news this is. If indeed Joshua Franco has retired then that mental health issue is true and this is not a problem that we could overcome by weeks time, took a lot of time to recover from this health issue. That also might be the reason why his performance was sub par on his first match with Ioka and not making the weight big time is result of this whole mental health issue.

Franco is still young, 27 years old to be exact, i hope he can continue his career when this whole ordeal is over.

Wow, lot of boxers now having this mental health issue, first it was Ryan Garcia but recovered so no reason why we can't see Franco 2 years from now.

It was also a big surprised to me to see Franco announcing his retirement at a young age of 27. But as you have said, even the best of them Ryan Garcia suffers from it and it took time for him to recover, and then change coach from Reynoso->Goosen.

Have some tuneup and then lost to Davis. Maybe after Franco conquer his inner demons, then maybe we can see him back in the next couple of years with renewed interest to become a champion again. It's not that late as he still will be in his late 20's early 30's and still can fight and pull the trigger. The landscape of his weight class might be very different though if he comes back.

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Quote from: btc_angela on June 26, 2023, 05:50:58 AM

I've read that Joshua Franco has retired after his lost to Ioka in Japan.

We know that he lost his belt on the scale because he didn't make the weight in their fight, 115 lbs and was over the limit and even weight as high as super bantamweight. He cited though, that he has go to thru a lot emotionally and so another case of mental issues. And so before it blows up, he just decided to retire for good.

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“For the majority of my career I have been going through a lot of mental problems that I was doing my best to control. I never liked talking about it publicly because I didn’t want anyone to think I ever made an excuse for anything or for anyone to look at me different. I battled through it as much as I could to still perform and give you guys some great fights. For anyone that battles through any type of mental health issues please know you are not alone. And you can’t let anything stop you from achieving your dreams.

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/joshua-franco-announces-shock-retirement-at-age-27/265240

What an unfortunate news this is. If indeed Joshua Franco has retired then that mental health issue is true and this is not a problem that we could overcome by weeks time, took a lot of time to recover from this health issue. That also might be the reason why his performance was sub par on his first match with Ioka and not making the weight big time is result of this whole mental health issue.

Franco is still young, 27 years old to be exact, i hope he can continue his career when this whole ordeal is over.

Wow, lot of boxers now having this mental health issue, first it was Ryan Garcia but recovered so no reason why we can't see Franco 2 years from now.

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Quote from: jakelyson on June 26, 2023, 11:46:04 AM

We have an event this coming weekend it is not that big of a fight but I think this will suffice for people that are interested in watching boxing for the Weekend,

Anderson vs. Martin

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This will be a boxing fight that is expected in the future because it brings together two great fighters in the weight class.
Anderson has a very epic fighting history and also several championship titles he has won.
Anderson became a boxer with 14 fights without a single defeat.
Meanwhile, Martin himself is a boxing fighter with 33 fights and won 29 wins 3 losses and 1 draw.
The meeting of these two boxers will be the main draw and there will surely be tons of boxing fans ready to watch and bet on the fight.

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 25, 2023, 09:17:16 PM

There were news that Deontay Wilder has set the contract to the camp of Andy Ruiz Jr.

And Andy seems to have responded already based on that and said that yes, there is negotiations going on and he is coming after the Bronze Bomber. So let's see, hopefully the earlier the better for this to happen.

Because there is also news floating around that AJ vs Wilder in December. And Francis Ngannou said that he also have a fight with Wilder after December.

https://twitter.com/calfkickercom/status/1669903199199690753

I heard conflicting news. Eddie Hearn confirmed in one of his interviews that Deontay Wilder will fight Anthony Joshua on December.

Also, it would be a mistake if Francis Ngannou fought Wilder, I reckon. Ngannou's team should negotiate for a fight vs. Tyson Fury. It will be the biggest money he can get while the hype is still alive. If Ngannou fights Wilder for a smaller amount and loses, this will kill the hype and all interest for Fury vs. Ngannou will die.

In any case, there is also some rumors that Ryan Garcia will fight Rolly Romero in September if the contracts are signed this month.

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Quote from: bisdak40 on June 26, 2023, 06:12:16 AM

Quote from: Jating on June 25, 2023, 09:56:37 AM

^^ And if I'm not mistaken, Jerwin is under MP so definitely Sean Gibbons will have to work double card to bring Jerwin's name in the mix again in this new weight class. And most likely, he has gotten over his lost against Martinez and moving forward to his career. No need to dub himself with that 2 losses, what's important is that he was able to win and make a statement comeback win.

So far I have checked his rankings, #8 on WBA and #9 on IBF.

Doesn't matter if he will have to face another Filipino champion or to become a champion. They are campaigning in the same division so obviously at some point they will have to fight, like Donaire vs Gaballo.

Yup, he is under MP Promotions and unlike Casimero, Ancajas is one of the favorite fighters of Sean Gibbons next to Mark Magsayo lol. That might be a tune-up fight for the Pretty Boy of the Philippines but still, it's a good one as he won by knockout which was a very good bounced back from a loss n his previous fight.

Personally, I have low expectations that Ancajas would be champion again as his weakness was visibly exposed on his two defeats against Martinez but a change in trainer might be the game changer as what @inthelongrun said.

And obviously, they don't like Casimero or Sean Gibbons doesn't show love to Casimero because his favorite is Jerwin Ancajas. Grin

Nevertheless as you have said, he really needs to work hard right now specially in the new division, he was exposed by he can work out so that he can covered that loophole in his skills.

So we will just have to wait who will be his next opponents and hopefully we can still see him fight in the next couple of months because it seems this is just like a normal sparring for him.

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Quote from: btc_angela on June 26, 2023, 05:50:58 AM

I've read that Joshua Franco has retired after his lost to Ioka in Japan.

We know that he lost his belt on the scale because he didn't make the weight in their fight, 115 lbs and was over the limit and even weight as high as super bantamweight. He cited though, that he has go to thru a lot emotionally and so another case of mental issues. And so before it blows up, he just decided to retire for good.

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“For the majority of my career I have been going through a lot of mental problems that I was doing my best to control. I never liked talking about it publicly because I didn’t want anyone to think I ever made an excuse for anything or for anyone to look at me different. I battled through it as much as I could to still perform and give you guys some great fights. For anyone that battles through any type of mental health issues please know you are not alone. And you can’t let anything stop you from achieving your dreams.

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/joshua-franco-announces-shock-retirement-at-age-27/265240

Well, that's an unexpected news because I thought that after the loss, he will be more dedicated to try and bounce back in the next division as his weight is not already suitable in his present division.

He still has a future in the industry if he chose to continue as he is still young to consider an early retirement because he could definitely bring a lot more money in his pockets for fighting a couple more in the future and who knows, he might be cut for something at 118.

Anyway, it's best to understand his decision because we are not on his shoes.

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We have an event this coming weekend it is not that big of a fight but I think this will suffice for people that are interested in watching boxing for the Weekend,

Anderson vs. Martin

Date: 07.01.2023
Time: 10:00 PM ET
Venue: Huntington Center
Location: Toledo, Ohio

MAIN EVENT
Jared Anderson vs Charles Martin

CO-MAIN EVENT
Arslanbek Makhmudov vs Raphael Akpejiori

MAIN CARD
Delante Johnson vs Jonathan Montrel
DeAndre Ware vs DeCarlo Perez
Tyler McCreary vs Deivi Julio
Dante Benjamin Jr. vs Mirady Lubanzadio
Husam Al-Mashhadi vs Rance Ward
Abdullah Mason vs Alex De Oliveira

All information was from : https://www.tapology.com/fightcenter/events/100714-anderson-vs-kossobutskiy

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Quote from: Jating on June 25, 2023, 09:56:37 AM

^^ And if I'm not mistaken, Jerwin is under MP so definitely Sean Gibbons will have to work double card to bring Jerwin's name in the mix again in this new weight class. And most likely, he has gotten over his lost against Martinez and moving forward to his career. No need to dub himself with that 2 losses, what's important is that he was able to win and make a statement comeback win.

So far I have checked his rankings, #8 on WBA and #9 on IBF.

Doesn't matter if he will have to face another Filipino champion or to become a champion. They are campaigning in the same division so obviously at some point they will have to fight, like Donaire vs Gaballo.

Yup, he is under MP Promotions and unlike Casimero, Ancajas is one of the favorite fighters of Sean Gibbons next to Mark Magsayo lol. That might be a tune-up fight for the Pretty Boy of the Philippines but still, it's a good one as he won by knockout which was a very good bounced back from a loss n his previous fight.

Personally, I have low expectations that Ancajas would be champion again as his weakness was visibly exposed on his two defeats against Martinez but a change in trainer might be the game changer as what @inthelongrun said.

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^Joshua is still very young at 27 years old, but we respect his decision to retire after his big lost to Ioka. Mental health issues is a big deal now for sports personalities and maybe this is the reason perhaps in the early years of sports we have seen boxers suddenly lost the fire in their belly and unfortunately lost a fight and never was the same again after a big lost.

And in this generation of fighters, they are not afraid that they are dealing problems inside like Ryan Garcia, or Jermall Charlo who has been out in the boxing world for 2 years or even Teo Lopez who also retired and going thru a divorced.

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I've read that Joshua Franco has retired after his lost to Ioka in Japan.

We know that he lost his belt on the scale because he didn't make the weight in their fight, 115 lbs and was over the limit and even weight as high as super bantamweight. He cited though, that he has go to thru a lot emotionally and so another case of mental issues. And so before it blows up, he just decided to retire for good.

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“For the majority of my career I have been going through a lot of mental problems that I was doing my best to control. I never liked talking about it publicly because I didn’t want anyone to think I ever made an excuse for anything or for anyone to look at me different. I battled through it as much as I could to still perform and give you guys some great fights. For anyone that battles through any type of mental health issues please know you are not alone. And you can’t let anything stop you from achieving your dreams.

https://www.boxing247.com/boxing-news/joshua-franco-announces-shock-retirement-at-age-27/265240

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Quote from: Kemarit on June 25, 2023, 03:40:22 AM

I do agree, on the Adames vs Williams stoppage, too early by the referee, so another controversial decision by the 3rd man in the ring.

Although it just moot probably, as Adames is ahead on the 3 judges scorecard.

Yeah, but it takes out the chance for Williams to still fight at the end, and who knows he might even get a chance like he did in round 4. Undoubtedly, Adames will win by score if the match ended in a decision. Williams' cornerman didn't like what happened and even made a fuss after the refs call. I think that is the worst TKO that I have seen that was called while the boxer is punching.

Quote from: OgNasty on June 25, 2023, 02:42:37 PM

Am I already seeing ads for a KSI vs Jake Paul fight in October? Has the promotion for the Nate Diaz fight gone so poorly that they’re already moving on to trying to build up the next fight? Feels like the influencer boxing scene is dying rather quickly. Maybe Elon Musk vs Mark Zuckerberg will end up being the last ridiculous fight that marks the shark has been jumped.

Haha. Maybe.
With all the drama, sometimes it gets boring. Eddie Hearn, after watching the clip of Nate Diaz doing his rounds says it will be a mismatch. Jake Paul will no doubt knock him out in an easy way. Well, that's another addition to why it will become boring and maybe that is why they are already hyping another match because this one won't be as profitable as the next.
KSI is such an energetic boxer and I love watching him. I am sure Jake Paul would want to make it happen for the mountain of money that will come in.

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There were news that Deontay Wilder has set the contract to the camp of Andy Ruiz Jr.

And Andy seems to have responded already based on that and said that yes, there is negotiations going on and he is coming after the Bronze Bomber. So let's see, hopefully the earlier the better for this to happen.

Because there is also news floating around that AJ vs Wilder in December. And Francis Ngannou said that he also have a fight with Wilder after December.

https://twitter.com/calfkickercom/status/1669903199199690753

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Quote from: OgNasty on June 25, 2023, 02:42:37 PM

Am I already seeing ads for a KSI vs Jake Paul fight in October? Has the promotion for the Nate Diaz fight gone so poorly that they’re already moving on to trying to build up the next fight? Feels like the influencer boxing scene is dying rather quickly. Maybe Elon Musk vs Mark Zuckerberg will end up being the last ridiculous fight that marks the shark has been jumped.

in my opinion these exhibition fights make no sense, professional fighters train a lot to reach very high levels, and in today's world where publicity is something of great importance, rookie fighters and even many professional fighters have been trying hard to achieve getting media attention, getting a lot of followers on social media to get a lot of sponsors, and with that in each of their fights having a lot of people watching and consequently having more money.

so they look like influencers, youtube guys, mma guys, billionaires book boxing fights and get all the attention for them in a fight where they won't fight very seriously, inside the fight they won't be fighting to win because they need money, on the contrary they will be fighting to show off, this demoralizes professional fighters who are starting their careers and those old professional fighters who never managed to get people's attention, years and years of effort and zero attention and having to see people who don't even know anything about boxing professional getting a lot of attention, no doubt it hurts

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Quote from: inthelongrun on June 25, 2023, 02:27:59 PM

I wonder if Bornea has a conditioning coach. He's got the skills but lacks the stamina and grit for a whole 12-round championship fight. Sanman needs a conditioning coach for its fighters and hires reliable ones when it comes to world title shots or when its fighters are battling against world-ranked opponents.

This is the known problem of most of Filipino boxer, they always got a problem with stamina. I do not know if they are squeezing their weight in order to have an advantage over their opponent (naturally at the higher weight category but cutting weight to have advantage in power). Since most Filipino comes strong in the earlier round but got exhausted in the middle to later rounds.

Quote from: inthelongrun on June 25, 2023, 02:27:59 PM

For me, it's more like 1-10. Cheesy

Because Ancajas was only fighting for a tune-up compared to the real-world title fight. Hopefully, Ancajas won't become inactive and fights again in 3 to 5 months so he can get a title fight as early as next year. I do want to see him train with another coach. Jimenez has nothing new for him except when they are trying to become a brawler which didn't worked well.

This is a good start for Ancajas and hopefully he will have the same kind performance if he is matched with talented boxers.

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Quote from: OgNasty on June 25, 2023, 02:42:37 PM

Am I already seeing ads for a KSI vs Jake Paul fight in October? Has the promotion for the Nate Diaz fight gone so poorly that they’re already moving on to trying to build up the next fight? Feels like the influencer boxing scene is dying rather quickly. Maybe Elon Musk vs Mark Zuckerberg will end up being the last ridiculous fight that marks the shark has been jumped.

I think so too. The Jake Paul vs Nate Diaz fight might be a no go that's why we are now seeing some rumors surfacing about that KSI vs Jake Paul fight as even after promoting the Paul-Diaz fight, there are no signs that people are interested in it. Eddie Hearn even said that it's a no brainer fight as it's clearly a mismatch because it is not the comfort ground of Nate plus Hearn added that the 10-round fight will go as far as four rounds before Nate will be KOd.

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Am I already seeing ads for a KSI vs Jake Paul fight in October? Has the promotion for the Nate Diaz fight gone so poorly that they’re already moving on to trying to build up the next fight? Feels like the influencer boxing scene is dying rather quickly. Maybe Elon Musk vs Mark Zuckerberg will end up being the last ridiculous fight that marks the shark has been jumped.

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