[Boxing]: Sultan vs Butler - WBO Bantamweight Interim title fight. - page 97.

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@Kemarit. I understand the hype behind Inoue versus Casimero by the Filipino fans. They give support to their countryman. However, what I do not understand is why remain hyping for this after Casimero’s performance versus Rigondeaux? In any case, it will be Butler for Casimero and Reymart for Donaire. Who will be for Inoue?

Inoue has to probably wait, it was Donaire vs Casimero first and then the trash talks got so heated up that Inoue got in and asked for a fight but it seems that the organization has the final say in all this things.

Of course they would have always that final say or decisions when it comes to fight arrangement.No matter what events or happenings that do happen around but that wont really influenced on

upcoming fights that had already been set out and this is why we do really see mandatory fights which people had presume that possible fights or match ups could happen but since theres
some regulatory or decision makers then theres no much thing that we could do but to deal with it.Lets just wait for the right time.

Well as stated we should support on what opponent given to our favorite fighter since at the end of the day we can still support him at any cost if he is really strong and well prepared to fight then for sure he can win this fight as well he can raise his stock and also get the possibility that the fight which most of all fans awaits will happen after this. Hopefully Casimero will take this since I'm sure Inoue will be more eager to catch his meat and cast the fight between them.

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Here's the tale of the tape of this particular fight.

TAPE OF THE TAPE ( Casimero vs Butler )

For those who are asking of the fight schedule and venue, here's the only information we can see for now.

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EARLY 2022
POTENTIALLY
IN THE UNITED STATES

If you are asking for the betting odds, it's not yet available for now, and probably it will only be available early 2022, which means, Casimero can rest and call it a good year for his boxing career.

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Quote from: Sanugarid on October 06, 2021, 10:56:40 AM

Quote from: bbc.reporter on October 03, 2021, 10:59:47 PM

@Kemarit. I understand the hype behind Inoue versus Casimero by the Filipino fans. They give support to their countryman. However, what I do not understand is why remain hyping for this after Casimero’s performance versus Rigondeaux? In any case, it will be Butler for Casimero and Reymart for Donaire. Who will be for Inoue?

Inoue has to probably wait, it was Donaire vs Casimero first and then the trash talks got so heated up that Inoue got in and asked for a fight but it seems that the organization has the final say in all this things.

Of course they would have always that final say or decisions when it comes to fight arrangement.No matter what events or happenings that do happen around but that wont really influenced on

upcoming fights that had already been set out and this is why we do really see mandatory fights which people had presume that possible fights or match ups could happen but since theres
some regulatory or decision makers then theres no much thing that we could do but to deal with it.Lets just wait for the right time.

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I really don't know what to think about this or the Casimero VS Inoue fight would still continue, but this is an order from the WBO that Casimero really needs to fight Butler first, and I think Paul Butler is a good match for Casimero to surely try if he really can match against Naoya Inoue's power, and this is a good stand up on who's really going to win,

Still on the radar though, that is if Casimero win against Butler. We all know that Casimero is calling out Naoya Inoue for a while and Naoya already responded that he is willing to be the dance partner. However, WBO ordered him to fight is mandatory.

If it's not by the order of WBO. We're about to watch Inoue and Casimero's match but because there's an order that Casimero has to follow, this good looking match has been postponed.

I agree that it's still possible and we just have to let this match against Butler to happen and wait.

While sometimes the boxing organizations can get in the way of big fights I do not think this is the case here, there were a lot of talks about Casimero vs Inoue but since there was nothing solid the WBO stepped in and forced Casimero to fight Butler, I am sure that if evidence could be shown by Casimero or Inoue that an agreement was close to happen the WBO would have withdrawn the order and would let boxing fans watch the fight we wanted.

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Exactly, it works both ways for the champion and the challenger. The challenger are going to be happy that he is given the chance to fight the champion in their organisation.

Just look at the Joshua vs Usyk for example, Usyk is the mandatory, so Joshua gave him the fight, so look what happen. We now have a new champion as Usyk upsets Joshua. So it change the landscape of the heavyweights and it makes it more exciting to see a new champion.

exactly! I guess there are people(probably a lot of them here in the forum and outside) who are not exactly familiar with the mandatory fights in boxing. there are reasons why each organization has its own mandatory fight rule.

I dont see any problem if the opponent of the champion is a mandatory, its not unusual in the boxing world.

But its also undetstandable if many fans are looking forward for a fight between a two well known boxer (Casimero vs Inoue). Anyhow this is a good opportunity for Butler to prove himself and be recognize once he beat Casimero.

Fans always wanted to watch good quality fights, but I guess they have to accept mandatory fights. As I have said in the example about, Usyk won convincingly, derailing Joshua's plan of a huge fight. So champions need not to overlook their mandatory because they can pull surprises. And as we look at most posters here, they favour Casimero, but Butler has some skills that John Riel shouldn't overlook and he shouldn't be thinking of Inoue or Donaire ahead of Butler. He should learn from Joshua vs Usyk.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on October 03, 2021, 10:59:47 PM

@Kemarit. I understand the hype behind Inoue versus Casimero by the Filipino fans. They give support to their countryman. However, what I do not understand is why remain hyping for this after Casimero’s performance versus Rigondeaux? In any case, it will be Butler for Casimero and Reymart for Donaire. Who will be for Inoue?

Inoue has to probably wait, it was Donaire vs Casimero first and then the trash talks got so heated up that Inoue got in and asked for a fight but it seems that the organization has the final say in all this things.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 06, 2021, 10:08:04 AM

It's possible, but it really depends on two factors, the willingness of the boxers and of course the money involved. Like the Pacquiao-Barrera-Morales, those boxers fought each other at the same weight category. And hopefully this will happen in the bantamweight division, Inoue, Donaire and Casimero, three of the best champions we have in recent years. And then unification of all the major belts including Ring Magazine's lineal title.

Oh yes, that era where Pacquiao dominated that division. It can be repeated and all three fighters are capable, all are explosive and can fight toe to toe. I like to see them but since Donaire already lost with Inoue, might be better if he fights Casimero first if he wins, then takes the rematch. It's only my opinion though Grin

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Still depend just like what you have said. Who knows, they are cooking something Donaire says something about the possibilities of fighting Casimero.

Don't have that much information but if indeed he's looking for the possibilities, it will be nice Wink

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on October 04, 2021, 08:38:19 AM

i have the feeling that if in case casimero will win after this mandatory fight, his promoter will negotiate for inoue's fight next. but whoever comes first with good purse split will get the fight. sometimes the bottomline here is the money that they can rake and how their respective promoters can sell their respective fighters. if their promoters can't meet their targets, they won't pursue the match. also, i guess, they will also be checking the pulse among boxing fans. they will go after for who will sell more. remember this is business also.

He doesn't need this fight to negotiate with Inoue because Inoue for the record also want to fight Casimero after a series of thrashtalk but he will have a strong case in the negotiation that is if comes out strong by knockin gout Butler, which I believe he can do it because he has a weak chin and Casimero wants a fighter that wants to engage, Butler is made for Casimero's style.

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Maybe the winner of either the mandatory fights? vs Inoue next year? That will be the perfect scenario, the question is who will get it first? assuming that both Casimero and Donaire won against their respective mandatory.

Will it be the hard hitting Casimero? who already started the war of words and then Inoue responding that he is willing to fight and shut the mouth of Casimero?

Or a rematch with Donaire? who Inoue respected so much that he is willing to give Donaire a second fight?

A very good question, as both Pinoy fighters are willing to fight Inoue. One is to regain his old glory and the other one is to build fame to his name. Only Inoue's camp has the idea of who's going to take this chance.

It would be nice though if these two Pinoy champ to meet first after the mandatory fight, whoever wins the fight will take Inoue.

Though it's still depends on their promoters and how they will finish this fight against their respective rivals, we don't know yet if it's an easy fight or upset may happened to both Pinoy Champs. Wink

It's possible, but it really depends on two factors, the willingness of the boxers and of course the money involved. Like the Pacquiao-Barrera-Morales, those boxers fought each other at the same weight category. And hopefully this will happen in the bantamweight division, Inoue, Donaire and Casimero, three of the best champions we have in recent years. And then unification of all the major belts including Ring Magazine's lineal title.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on October 03, 2021, 10:59:47 PM

@Kemarit. I understand the hype behind Inoue versus Casimero by the Filipino fans. They give support to their countryman. However, what I do not understand is why remain hyping for this after Casimero’s performance versus Rigondeaux? In any case, it will be Butler for Casimero and Reymart for Donaire. Who will be for Inoue?

LOL, it takes two to tango as they say, if Rigo doesn't want to have a toe to toe fight, then what can Casimero do? He chases him in full 12 rounds, so I don't think it was a bad fight for him.

That's why the hype is still there for Casimero to go after Inoue, the one he trash talks after the Nonito Donaire fight fizzled out. As far as I can remember, Inoue's mandatory is Michael Dasmarinas whom he knock out.

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Quote from: AmoreJaz on October 04, 2021, 08:38:19 AM

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 03, 2021, 11:14:39 PM

Maybe the winner of either the mandatory fights? vs Inoue next year? That will be the perfect scenario, the question is who will get it first? assuming that both Casimero and Donaire won against their respective mandatory.

Will it be the hard hitting Casimero? who already started the war of words and then Inoue responding that he is willing to fight and shut the mouth of Casimero?

Or a rematch with Donaire? who Inoue respected so much that he is willing to give Donaire a second fight?

A very good question, as both Pinoy fighters are willing to fight Inoue. One is to regain his old glory and the other one is to build fame to his name. Only Inoue's camp has the idea of who's going to take this chance.

It would be nice though if these two Pinoy champ to meet first after the mandatory fight, whoever wins the fight will take Inoue.

Though it's still depends on their promoters and how they will finish this fight against their respective rivals, we don't know yet if it's an easy fight or upset may happened to both Pinoy Champs. Wink

Donaire and Casimero would not face in a mandatory fight as both are champions, they can only unify their belt if I'm not mistaken.

Nonito Donaire - WBC world bantam weight (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/48243)
John Riel Casimero - WBO world bantam title (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/421916)

What fans would like to see here is a unificiation fight so we will know who is the best in the said division.

i have the feeling that if in case casimero will win after this mandatory fight, his promoter will negotiate for inoue's fight next. but whoever comes first with good purse split will get the fight. sometimes the bottomline here is the money that they can rake and how their respective promoters can sell their respective fighters. if their promoters can't meet their targets, they won't pursue the match. also, i guess, they will also be checking the pulse among boxing fans. they will go after for who will sell more. remember this is business also.

Casimero is under MP promotion, even before the mandatory fight, they are already calling Inoue, and just recently after Casimero won against Guillermo Rigondeaux, Inoue has already agreed and IIRC, he said they will fight in the last quarter of the year, but his promoter Bob Arum says it will be early next year.

What I see here is their statement is not so sure because they have a different statement, so as a fan, maybe Inoue responding to Casimero's trash talk but in reality he is docking him.

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Quote from: Ziskinberg on October 04, 2021, 05:58:47 AM

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 03, 2021, 11:14:39 PM

Maybe the winner of either the mandatory fights? vs Inoue next year? That will be the perfect scenario, the question is who will get it first? assuming that both Casimero and Donaire won against their respective mandatory.

Will it be the hard hitting Casimero? who already started the war of words and then Inoue responding that he is willing to fight and shut the mouth of Casimero?

Or a rematch with Donaire? who Inoue respected so much that he is willing to give Donaire a second fight?

A very good question, as both Pinoy fighters are willing to fight Inoue. One is to regain his old glory and the other one is to build fame to his name. Only Inoue's camp has the idea of who's going to take this chance.

It would be nice though if these two Pinoy champ to meet first after the mandatory fight, whoever wins the fight will take Inoue.

Though it's still depends on their promoters and how they will finish this fight against their respective rivals, we don't know yet if it's an easy fight or upset may happened to both Pinoy Champs. Wink

Donaire and Casimero would not face in a mandatory fight as both are champions, they can only unify their belt if I'm not mistaken.

Nonito Donaire - WBC world bantam weight (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/48243)
John Riel Casimero - WBO world bantam title (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/421916)

What fans would like to see here is a unificiation fight so we will know who is the best in the said division.

i have the feeling that if in case casimero will win after this mandatory fight, his promoter will negotiate for inoue's fight next. but whoever comes first with good purse split will get the fight. sometimes the bottomline here is the money that they can rake and how their respective promoters can sell their respective fighters. if their promoters can't meet their targets, they won't pursue the match. also, i guess, they will also be checking the pulse among boxing fans. they will go after for who will sell more. remember this is business also.

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Quote from: Fredomago on October 04, 2021, 02:07:12 AM

Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 03, 2021, 11:14:39 PM

Maybe the winner of either the mandatory fights? vs Inoue next year? That will be the perfect scenario, the question is who will get it first? assuming that both Casimero and Donaire won against their respective mandatory.

Will it be the hard hitting Casimero? who already started the war of words and then Inoue responding that he is willing to fight and shut the mouth of Casimero?

Or a rematch with Donaire? who Inoue respected so much that he is willing to give Donaire a second fight?

A very good question, as both Pinoy fighters are willing to fight Inoue. One is to regain his old glory and the other one is to build fame to his name. Only Inoue's camp has the idea of who's going to take this chance.

It would be nice though if these two Pinoy champ to meet first after the mandatory fight, whoever wins the fight will take Inoue.

Though it's still depends on their promoters and how they will finish this fight against their respective rivals, we don't know yet if it's an easy fight or upset may happened to both Pinoy Champs. Wink

Donaire and Casimero would not face in a mandatory fight as both are champions, they can only unify their belt if I'm not mistaken.

Nonito Donaire - WBC world bantam weight (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/48243)
John Riel Casimero - WBO world bantam title (https://boxrec.com/en/proboxer/421916)

What fans would like to see here is a unificiation fight so we will know who is the best in the said division.

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Quote from: cryptomaniac_xxx on October 03, 2021, 11:14:39 PM

Maybe the winner of either the mandatory fights? vs Inoue next year? That will be the perfect scenario, the question is who will get it first? assuming that both Casimero and Donaire won against their respective mandatory.

Will it be the hard hitting Casimero? who already started the war of words and then Inoue responding that he is willing to fight and shut the mouth of Casimero?

Or a rematch with Donaire? who Inoue respected so much that he is willing to give Donaire a second fight?

A very good question, as both Pinoy fighters are willing to fight Inoue. One is to regain his old glory and the other one is to build fame to his name. Only Inoue's camp has the idea of who's going to take this chance.

It would be nice though if these two Pinoy champ to meet first after the mandatory fight, whoever wins the fight will take Inoue.

Though it's still depends on their promoters and how they will finish this fight against their respective rivals, we don't know yet if it's an easy fight or upset may happened to both Pinoy Champs. Wink

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Quote from: acroman08 on October 03, 2021, 08:18:27 PM

exactly! I guess there are people(probably a lot of them here in the forum and outside) who are not exactly familiar with the mandatory fights in boxing. there are reasons why each organization has its own mandatory fight rule.

because many of people here are relying in whose the boxer they wanna face and bet but they are not familiar in obligatory when you are in ranking position .

while many are aiming for casimero vs inoue vs donaire yet they are not educated about who will decide and who will need to follow.

but of course in the following fights their wishes may come true .

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on October 03, 2021, 10:59:47 PM

@Kemarit. I understand the hype behind Inoue versus Casimero by the Filipino fans. They give support to their countryman. However, what I do not understand is why remain hyping for this after Casimero’s performance versus Rigondeaux? In any case, it will be Butler for Casimero and Reymart for Donaire. Who will be for Inoue?

Maybe the winner of either the mandatory fights? vs Inoue next year? That will be the perfect scenario, the question is who will get it first? assuming that both Casimero and Donaire won against their respective mandatory.

Will it be the hard hitting Casimero? who already started the war of words and then Inoue responding that he is willing to fight and shut the mouth of Casimero?

Or a rematch with Donaire? who Inoue respected so much that he is willing to give Donaire a second fight?

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Quote from: acroman08 on October 03, 2021, 08:18:27 PM

Quote from: btc_angela on October 03, 2021, 07:09:52 PM

Exactly, it works both ways for the champion and the challenger. The challenger are going to be happy that he is given the chance to fight the champion in their organisation.

Just look at the Joshua vs Usyk for example, Usyk is the mandatory, so Joshua gave him the fight, so look what happen. We now have a new champion as Usyk upsets Joshua. So it change the landscape of the heavyweights and it makes it more exciting to see a new champion.

exactly! I guess there are people(probably a lot of them here in the forum and outside) who are not exactly familiar with the mandatory fights in boxing. there are reasons why each organization has its own mandatory fight rule.

I dont see any problem if the opponent of the champion is a mandatory, its not unusual in the boxing world.

But its also undetstandable if many fans are looking forward for a fight between a two well known boxer (Casimero vs Inoue). Anyhow this is a good opportunity for Butler to prove himself and be recognize once he beat Casimero.

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@Kemarit. I understand the hype behind Inoue versus Casimero by the Filipino fans. They give support to their countryman. However, what I do not understand is why remain hyping for this after Casimero’s performance versus Rigondeaux? In any case, it will be Butler for Casimero and Reymart for Donaire. Who will be for Inoue?

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Quote from: acroman08 on October 03, 2021, 08:18:27 PM

Quote from: btc_angela on October 03, 2021, 07:09:52 PM

Exactly, it works both ways for the champion and the challenger. The challenger are going to be happy that he is given the chance to fight the champion in their organisation.

Just look at the Joshua vs Usyk for example, Usyk is the mandatory, so Joshua gave him the fight, so look what happen. We now have a new champion as Usyk upsets Joshua. So it change the landscape of the heavyweights and it makes it more exciting to see a new champion.

exactly! I guess there are people(probably a lot of them here in the forum and outside) who are not exactly familiar with the mandatory fights in boxing. there are reasons why each organization has its own mandatory fight rule.

Yeah, and usually though fighters in a certain organization are given the first crack on their champion, that's why there are rankings inside their organization that might differ in others.

So in this scenario:

Champion: Casimero;

WBO rankings:

1. Paul Butler
2. Joseph Agbeko
3. Nikolai Potapov
4. Rau'shee Warren
5. Jason Moloney

So the first crack will be Paul Butler in this case. So there's nothing suspicious about Casimero vs Butler. Maybe we are just hype on Casimero vs Inoue or Casimero vs Donaire. But being the WBO champion and been ordered to fight the mandatory first.

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Quote from: btc_angela on October 03, 2021, 07:09:52 PM

Exactly, it works both ways for the champion and the challenger. The challenger are going to be happy that he is given the chance to fight the champion in their organisation.

Just look at the Joshua vs Usyk for example, Usyk is the mandatory, so Joshua gave him the fight, so look what happen. We now have a new champion as Usyk upsets Joshua. So it change the landscape of the heavyweights and it makes it more exciting to see a new champion.

exactly! I guess there are people(probably a lot of them here in the forum and outside) who are not exactly familiar with the mandatory fights in boxing. there are reasons why each organization has its own mandatory fight rule.

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