[Boxing] Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk - February 2024 in Saudi Arabia

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Quote from: TopTort777 on December 22, 2023, 07:11:18 AM

Btw, promotion of this fight might be a failure. If Fury is a media guy, he can increase sales, then Usyk is very modest. I expect him to be very silent during pre fight conference (at least Fury wont get into Usyk head Cheesy

), also it is not likely they would make funny promotional video as Fury vs Ngannou. Their promo would be a standard.

It's not about the promo man IMO. This is a unification fight, from the moment it was announce official and tickets are available for safe, people are already buying as this is probably the best fight this year. It will be next month but I'm sure they'll already achieve their target ticket sales, or if there's a PPV too, I'm sure their reach a decent number of PPV subscription.

If people are buying a Fury vs Ngannou fight, they'll buy more on this real and a unification fight.

Unification fights is definitely going to bring in the cash in here but in my opinion Usyk is not that known amongst the people outside of the boxing sphere, Tyson is. If he's able to market this fight by himself we might see filled seats but besides the fact that this is an undisputed bout and Tyson's in here nothing really sparks the common boxing enthusiast's interest here. Ngannou vs Fury can't be compared to this. Ngannou is already famous beforehand and is racking millions since his jump to boxing. Tyson is a rising star at his prime during this period. The Tyson vs. Usyk fight in my opinion doesn't hold a candle against the former battle even though the fight's pretty much one-sided and suspicious as well.

I didn't say that they won't give us a good fight. Just that I don't see this fight breaking the internet just as much as the former boxing match did. If anything this is going to be in the same level in hype as Pacquiao vs. Cotto or whatever.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on December 22, 2023, 07:11:18 AM

Btw, promotion of this fight might be a failure. If Fury is a media guy, he can increase sales, then Usyk is very modest. I expect him to be very silent during pre fight conference (at least Fury wont get into Usyk head Cheesy

), also it is not likely they would make funny promotional video as Fury vs Ngannou. Their promo would be a standard.

It's not about the promo man IMO. This is a unification fight, from the moment it was announce official and tickets are available for safe, people are already buying as this is probably the best fight this year. It will be next month but I'm sure they'll already achieve their target ticket sales, or if there's a PPV too, I'm sure their reach a decent number of PPV subscription.

If people are buying a Fury vs Ngannou fight, they'll buy more on this real and a unification fight.

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Quote from: Yaunfitda on December 22, 2023, 06:57:55 AM

I think it's not that he is better, but also the kind of opposition he faces before and of course his physical, he is the bigger fighter here. And with that odds it might be juicy for Usyk bettor here. We all know that there are boxing enthusiast that loves underdog so this could be a perfect time again to bet as Usyk is a live dog.

Also looking at how the Fury's are going to promote this fight, Tyson and his pops love to open their mouth but Usyk looks alone is already intimidating already. And also Usyk manager is not going to back down on any trash talking from Fury's camp so it's going to be a great promotion.

They are too different to say which one is stronger. Fury's last fight with Ngannou showed that Fury is not that good, we saw few dangerous punches that could cause problems for Ngannou, and he moved heavily. Maybe this will make him train harder before the fight with Usyk and he will be in better condition.

Usyk moves well, but he doesn't have as much punch as the Gypsy King, so he'll need to do a lot of dodging from Fury's sweeping arms. I will root for Usyk, but it’s hard for me to say who can win this fight, the chances look equal, and everything will depend on who does his job better.

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Btw, promotion of this fight might be a failure. If Fury is a media guy, he can increase sales, then Usyk is very modest. I expect him to be very silent during pre fight conference (at least Fury wont get into Usyk head Cheesy

), also it is not likely they would make funny promotional video as Fury vs Ngannou. Their promo would be a standard.

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That is true. Usyk took those belts from AJ, who previously got all vacant belts from various opponents. So basically, since 2015, all the 5 belts technically are still Fury's. But I would debate that Usyk got those belt more easily. Usyk got them from AJ, Fury got them from Klitchko. Why more easy? Because Wladimir got more victories and more experienced? But he wasnt in peak form, he was about to retire. More easy because AJ had weaker opponent than Wladimir in his path to belts?

Let us not debate on that as different boxer may have different strategy employed to win. Both Usyk and Fury are great boxers, that's why they are the champions, but if you would ask the people (majority), the answer is Fury is the better fighter as evidence by the betting odds that is on his favor.

We can debate here on whatever we believe, no right or wrong because it's our personal perspective, but we can always ask the professionals perspective, and this is their answer.

https://www.oddsshark.com/boxing/fury-vs-usyk-odds-picks

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Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk Betting Odds
Fighter   Odds
Tyson Fury   -175
Oleksandr Usyk   +137

I think it's not that he is better, but also the kind of opposition he faces before and of course his physical, he is the bigger fighter here. And with that odds it might be juicy for Usyk bettor here. We all know that there are boxing enthusiast that loves underdog so this could be a perfect time again to bet as Usyk is a live dog.

Also looking at how the Fury's are going to promote this fight, Tyson and his pops love to open their mouth but Usyk looks alone is already intimidating already. And also Usyk manager is not going to back down on any trash talking from Fury's camp so it's going to be a great promotion.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on December 19, 2023, 06:03:14 AM

That is true. Usyk took those belts from AJ, who previously got all vacant belts from various opponents. So basically, since 2015, all the 5 belts technically are still Fury's. But I would debate that Usyk got those belt more easily. Usyk got them from AJ, Fury got them from Klitchko. Why more easy? Because Wladimir got more victories and more experienced? But he wasnt in peak form, he was about to retire. More easy because AJ had weaker opponent than Wladimir in his path to belts?

Let us not debate on that as different boxer may have different strategy employed to win. Both Usyk and Fury are great boxers, that's why they are the champions, but if you would ask the people (majority), the answer is Fury is the better fighter as evidence by the betting odds that is on his favor.

We can debate here on whatever we believe, no right or wrong because it's our personal perspective, but we can always ask the professionals perspective, and this is their answer.

https://www.oddsshark.com/boxing/fury-vs-usyk-odds-picks

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Tyson Fury Vs Oleksandr Usyk Betting Odds
Fighter   Odds
Tyson Fury   -175
Oleksandr Usyk   +137

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AJ took the IBF from a champion. He only took 1 vacant belt which was the WBA. He then unified his 2 belts against the WBO champion and won. Wladimir and Fury didn't became undisputed since the WBC was held by Vitali and then Wilder.

But I agree that Usyk had an easier way of becoming a champion at heavyweight since he took the 3 belts from AJ and was awarded the vacant Ring belt in the rematch. Fury though he won against an old Wladimir but that old version is still better than prime AJ.

But all in all, I still give the tougher overall boxing career to Usyk. And he also achieved more. Won the Olympics gold. Won his first title in only his 10th fight. Became undisputed at cruiserweight. Two-division unified champion. And he won all his world titles in the enemy's backyard. He is a legend.

But Fury has the size advantage. Usyk is also the older guy and will need more energy and is more dependent of his reflexes.

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That is true. Usyk took those belts from AJ, who previously got all vacant belts from various opponents. So basically, since 2015, all the 5 belts technically are still Fury's. But I would debate that Usyk got those belt more easily. Usyk got them from AJ, Fury got them from Klitchko. Why more easy? Because Wladimir got more victories and more experienced? But he wasnt in peak form, he was about to retire. More easy because AJ had weaker opponent than Wladimir in his path to belts?

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Yeah, I think with Usyk's boxing skills, it's really hard to see either of them dominating the fight. If it goes to the judges scorecard, it could be 8-4 the worst, or then 6-6 for a draw but we will see. It's going to be interesting who's going to bring it more specially in the championship rounds.

Of course, as boxing fans, we will have speculations and scenarios that think that might happen in this fight. But definitely, it will be a back and forth fight, maybe this could be a difficult fight for Fury as he hasn't fought any fighter that has a good movement and very intelligent like him.

Sorry but I think Usyk was just hype. Fury hasn't been active recently so the attention was focus on Usyk, but if we look at the boxers that both have previously defeated, you can see that the quality goes to Fury. The odds says it all, Fury is a slight favorite, however, I think that's quite undervalued because of his performance against Francis. Don't be deceive guys, Fury is gonna win this fight via domination again, even if Usyk would be able to throw a lucky punch that will put Fury on the canvas, Fury's always gonna rise and win the fight.

I have to disagree though, he has the other 2 belts, he beat AJ 2x, so how can he be a hype when he is the champion? Hype is those boxers that can't back up the talk and so far he proved us wrong. I do agree that is he is a cruiserweight, but he was able to beat Joshua a supposedly natural bigger guy. But he uses his boxing skills and IQ to get away from the power shot then he himself beat AJ on his own game.

I'm not saying that Fury is going to lose this fight, but when two champions face each other, there are chance that one will dominate, like Crawford vs Spence, or the fight will really be close and it will be up to the judges score card, like Canelo vs GGG fight.

I think Usyk will dominate the fight though. He's been a champ in 3 different orgs WBO, IBF and WBA while Fury is a champ only on WBC. Not sure why Usyk can be considered a hype, he had been knocking opponents almost as long as Fury been around. They should have been fighting years ago but their organizations are just not approving the fights, it must be due to the money arrangement.

Why now that Fury is getting old its sure it's their business but he is about to lose this fight.

We could all have our speculations about this fight, but I would say that the way Usyk to become a champion is much an easier path than Fury. Tyson has to get that belt the hard way.

@FinneysTrueVision - mate, you never really cease to amaze me with your boxing knowledge. Yeah, it's true, that 3 belt that Usyk has right now, used to belong to Fury, after he beat Klitschko. But we all know that after winning that belt in 2016 if I'm not mistaken. Fury suffers from mental health and obvious stripped of the belt. So he never losses that 3 belt inside the ring.

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Quote from: cabron on December 16, 2023, 10:58:00 AM

I think Usyk will dominate the fight though. He's been a champ in 3 different orgs WBO, IBF and WBA while Fury is a champ only on WBC. Not sure why Usyk can be considered a hype, he had been knocking opponents almost as long as Fury been around. They should have been fighting years ago but their organizations are just not approving the fights, it must be due to the money arrangement.

Why now that Fury is getting old its sure it's their business but he is about to lose this fight.

The three belts that Usyk has used to belong to Fury. He never lost them inside the ring. Errol Spence also had three belts when he fought Crawford and we saw how that turned out. This doesn't mean that this fight will have the same outcome but it shows that the amount of belts doesn't matter.

Fighters just aren't very active anymore like they were in the past. Promoter and network affiliation can also make negotiations complicated. That's why these fights happen when fighters are old and starting to decline. We see it with Wilder and Joshua who went through brutal losses and are no longer champion but they might finally face each other next year.

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Yeah, I think with Usyk's boxing skills, it's really hard to see either of them dominating the fight. If it goes to the judges scorecard, it could be 8-4 the worst, or then 6-6 for a draw but we will see. It's going to be interesting who's going to bring it more specially in the championship rounds.

Of course, as boxing fans, we will have speculations and scenarios that think that might happen in this fight. But definitely, it will be a back and forth fight, maybe this could be a difficult fight for Fury as he hasn't fought any fighter that has a good movement and very intelligent like him.

Sorry but I think Usyk was just hype. Fury hasn't been active recently so the attention was focus on Usyk, but if we look at the boxers that both have previously defeated, you can see that the quality goes to Fury. The odds says it all, Fury is a slight favorite, however, I think that's quite undervalued because of his performance against Francis. Don't be deceive guys, Fury is gonna win this fight via domination again, even if Usyk would be able to throw a lucky punch that will put Fury on the canvas, Fury's always gonna rise and win the fight.

I have to disagree though, he has the other 2 belts, he beat AJ 2x, so how can he be a hype when he is the champion? Hype is those boxers that can't back up the talk and so far he proved us wrong. I do agree that is he is a cruiserweight, but he was able to beat Joshua a supposedly natural bigger guy. But he uses his boxing skills and IQ to get away from the power shot then he himself beat AJ on his own game.

I'm not saying that Fury is going to lose this fight, but when two champions face each other, there are chance that one will dominate, like Crawford vs Spence, or the fight will really be close and it will be up to the judges score card, like Canelo vs GGG fight.

I think Usyk will dominate the fight though. He's been a champ in 3 different orgs WBO, IBF and WBA while Fury is a champ only on WBC. Not sure why Usyk can be considered a hype, he had been knocking opponents almost as long as Fury been around. They should have been fighting years ago but their organizations are just not approving the fights, it must be due to the money arrangement.

Why now that Fury is getting old its sure it's their business but he is about to lose this fight.

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Yeah, I think with Usyk's boxing skills, it's really hard to see either of them dominating the fight. If it goes to the judges scorecard, it could be 8-4 the worst, or then 6-6 for a draw but we will see. It's going to be interesting who's going to bring it more specially in the championship rounds.

Of course, as boxing fans, we will have speculations and scenarios that think that might happen in this fight. But definitely, it will be a back and forth fight, maybe this could be a difficult fight for Fury as he hasn't fought any fighter that has a good movement and very intelligent like him.

Sorry but I think Usyk was just hype. Fury hasn't been active recently so the attention was focus on Usyk, but if we look at the boxers that both have previously defeated, you can see that the quality goes to Fury. The odds says it all, Fury is a slight favorite, however, I think that's quite undervalued because of his performance against Francis. Don't be deceive guys, Fury is gonna win this fight via domination again, even if Usyk would be able to throw a lucky punch that will put Fury on the canvas, Fury's always gonna rise and win the fight.

I have to disagree though, he has the other 2 belts, he beat AJ 2x, so how can he be a hype when he is the champion? Hype is those boxers that can't back up the talk and so far he proved us wrong. I do agree that is he is a cruiserweight, but he was able to beat Joshua a supposedly natural bigger guy. But he uses his boxing skills and IQ to get away from the power shot then he himself beat AJ on his own game.

I'm not saying that Fury is going to lose this fight, but when two champions face each other, there are chance that one will dominate, like Crawford vs Spence, or the fight will really be close and it will be up to the judges score card, like Canelo vs GGG fight.

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Sorry but I think Usyk was just hype. Fury hasn't been active recently so the attention was focus on Usyk, but if we look at the boxers that both have previously defeated, you can see that the quality goes to Fury. The odds says it all, Fury is a slight favorite, however, I think that's quite undervalued because of his performance against Francis. Don't be deceive guys, Fury is gonna win this fight via domination again, even if Usyk would be able to throw a lucky punch that will put Fury on the canvas, Fury's always gonna rise and win the fight.

I agree that Usyk was just hype and Fury will dominate him on the ring next weekend. The good thing about Fury is that he always rise up after being down on the canvas so if that Hail Mary shot hit Fury, it would not damage him but i think Fury as always will be clever here, he would use his height and weight advantage to tire Usyk out and maybe KOed him in the championship rounds.

Usyk isn't a heavy puncher, based on his record, he has 14 KO from 21 wins, so I'm sure Fury will be able to survive in case he'll get Knock down as he was tested by Wilder before which was a 100% KO artist. The chance of Usyk winning here is to use his quickenss over Fury, he is smaller so I pressume that he is quicker, and hope that the judges will favor him at the end of the fight.

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Quote from: Questat on December 15, 2023, 07:09:19 AM

Sorry but I think Usyk was just hype. Fury hasn't been active recently so the attention was focus on Usyk, but if we look at the boxers that both have previously defeated, you can see that the quality goes to Fury. The odds says it all, Fury is a slight favorite, however, I think that's quite undervalued because of his performance against Francis. Don't be deceive guys, Fury is gonna win this fight via domination again, even if Usyk would be able to throw a lucky punch that will put Fury on the canvas, Fury's always gonna rise and win the fight.

I agree that Usyk was just hype and Fury will dominate him on the ring next weekend. The good thing about Fury is that he always rise up after being down on the canvas so if that Hail Mary shot hit Fury, it would not damage him but i think Fury as always will be clever here, he would use his height and weight advantage to tire Usyk out and maybe KOed him in the championship rounds.

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Quote from: nimogsm on December 15, 2023, 08:01:50 AM

One thing is for sure, it will be an epic fight, Usik quickly made it to heavyweight and his opponents were of a very serious level. In Usik’s last fight, many had questions about the blow to the groin and this was circulated in the media for a long time saying it was a defeat, I don’t agree with this opinion.I think Usyk will win on points.

The hype between the two fighters is still quite big at the moment but Usyk is dominating the public conversation because of what he has achieved during his time in the heavyweight class and Fury as the WBC champion is also quite serious about this fight, it just that he doesn't seem too worried about his opponent Usyk who has has several degrees.
It just that the talk about this fight is more about developments in the preparations of both fighters, not about who will win and get the undisputed heavyweight title.

Rumors are circulating that former WBO, IBF and WBA heavyweight champion Anthony Joshua has expressed his support for Usyk.
He stated and knows that Fury is strong fighter and always wins, but for this fight there will be surprise given by Usyk, he also has not confirmed that Usyk will win but at least Usyk is great fighter as Fury opponent.

Not necessarily that will happen because have you forgotten the previous fight between Ngannou and Fury that it was clear that Ngannou succeeded in knocking Fury down and was also guaranteed to win by the referee decision on points.
But in reality Fury was the winner, wouldn't it be joke to say Usyk would win on points.

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Quote from: nimogsm on December 15, 2023, 08:01:50 AM

One thing is for sure, it will be an epic fight, Usik quickly made it to heavyweight and his opponents were of a very serious level. In Usik’s last fight, many had questions about the blow to the groin and this was circulated in the media for a long time saying it was a defeat, I don’t agree with this opinion.I think Usyk will win on points.

Yep , that's true. The fight will be epic and the outcome might be epic as well but I do count on Usyk to end the legacy of Fury so the entire sport can move on to another champ and to a new chapter. However ,I do believe the same that the fight will end on points as I simply cannot see a KO from neither of them during the fights ...but a KO would simply shock the boxing world.

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Ngannou wasn't able to fully knock him out and it's a little bold to say that he didn't won. Yes, he won, he performed way better than Tyson Fury and actually won it but referees were very biased and said that Tyson Fury won.

Ref does not score the fight, it's the judges.

I understand your sentiment, probably you are one of the many who were disappointed with the result, but that's boxing, it is what it is. They say boxing is corrupt, yes, maybe,... but we are still here patronizing it, which means we still love the current status of boxing.

Take that knock down from Ngannou and you'll see who's the clear winner.. but then, it's just my opinion though, so let's just based on the final judgement which came from the judges, and Fury was the winner.

Actually he is one of those fans, who thinks that if a boxer gets knocked down, then he has lost. When actually it is just 10-8 on score cards. Double knock down and total humiliation is just 10-7. You can win 11 rounds of a close fight (the fact that you are a champ gives you a tiny-tiny advantage in corrupted boxing judgement). Then by the end of 12th round gets knocked down, the belt saves you from/during second knockdown, on the ropes. And you are still a champion Grin

What gives you a reason to say that actually I am one of those fans who think that knock down (not final KO) makes someone a winner? I watched the fight, I was on Fury's side but I got very disappointed. If you watched the fight, you could clearly see that Ngannou was dominating the fight, he was making more strikes, more punches, even almost knocked him out, he performed way better than Tyson Fury and I can't understand how did Fury won the match? I want to believe that but I can't. Ngannou was robbed!

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One thing is for sure, it will be an epic fight, Usik quickly made it to heavyweight and his opponents were of a very serious level. In Usik’s last fight, many had questions about the blow to the groin and this was circulated in the media for a long time saying it was a defeat, I don’t agree with this opinion.I think Usyk will win on points.

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Quote from: btc_angela on December 15, 2023, 06:49:13 AM

Yeah, I think with Usyk's boxing skills, it's really hard to see either of them dominating the fight. If it goes to the judges scorecard, it could be 8-4 the worst, or then 6-6 for a draw but we will see. It's going to be interesting who's going to bring it more specially in the championship rounds.

Of course, as boxing fans, we will have speculations and scenarios that think that might happen in this fight. But definitely, it will be a back and forth fight, maybe this could be a difficult fight for Fury as he hasn't fought any fighter that has a good movement and very intelligent like him.

Sorry but I think Usyk was just hype. Fury hasn't been active recently so the attention was focus on Usyk, but if we look at the boxers that both have previously defeated, you can see that the quality goes to Fury. The odds says it all, Fury is a slight favorite, however, I think that's quite undervalued because of his performance against Francis. Don't be deceive guys, Fury is gonna win this fight via domination again, even if Usyk would be able to throw a lucky punch that will put Fury on the canvas, Fury's always gonna rise and win the fight.

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@Inwestour. Tyson Fury would have certainly knocked out Francis Ngannou if he trained properly. A world heavyweight boxing champion almost lost vs. a mixed martial artist in boxing? 1 week training might be an exaggeration, however after his performance, yes I am quite certain Tyson Fury did not have much training.

We can assumed that perhaps Fury could knockout Francis Ngannou if he trained hard. But I guess majority feels that he didn't take his training seriously and now he has to pay for it. I mean it didn't derail his fight against Usyk, but obviously he has take damage in his eye and needed more time to heal.

And this could be a wake up call for him, and Usyk could see this as somewhat a weakness on the side of Fury. Although still size does matter in boxing and Tyson has the advantage but there could be factors that could favor Usyk like being a south paw and the quicker fighter between the two.

This isn't a fight that will be dominated by one fighter based on opinions here, so this makes it very interesting to watch as there are plenty of believers that Usyk will win despite bookies made Fury as the favorite.

Both have their strenght and weakness but we will find out who is the best fighter after the fight only, so just continue the speculation as the more this fight gets hype, the more it will gain the attention of the people resulting to better viewership and of course decent money that both deserves to earn. But as for me, I'm not gonna change my choice as it will remain on Fury.

Yeah, I think with Usyk's boxing skills, it's really hard to see either of them dominating the fight. If it goes to the judges scorecard, it could be 8-4 the worst, or then 6-6 for a draw but we will see. It's going to be interesting who's going to bring it more specially in the championship rounds.

Of course, as boxing fans, we will have speculations and scenarios that think that might happen in this fight. But definitely, it will be a back and forth fight, maybe this could be a difficult fight for Fury as he hasn't fought any fighter that has a good movement and very intelligent like him.

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