[Boxing] Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk - February 2024 in Saudi Arabia - page 4.

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Quote from: Balmain on November 19, 2023, 03:41:45 PM

Quote from: notblox1 on November 18, 2023, 12:17:25 PM

Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk fight is finally confirmed for February 17, 2024 in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia!
I think this is enough time for both guys to heal and prepare well for this fight.
You can now watch full Press Conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOxmNEFwK-8

Odds are not bad at all on both fighters now in Sportsbet for early betting:

https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/boxing/international/international-matchups/fury-tyson-v-usyk-oleksandr-6554faff0a6c950001760aff

The odds don't look bad at all. Francis Ngannou seems to have tarnished the image of Tyson Fury quite a bit so the odds have been heavily affected. It is not my place to belittle Tyson Fury, but if Ngannou is knocking him down as a cage fighter and there are rumors that he lost, which in my opinion, I can say that Ngannou won this match or at worst it should have ended in a draw. It will be very difficult for Tyson Fury against Oleksandr Usyk because his mobility is not even found in many light heavyweight boxers, he is very fast for his weight and with this speed he can control Tyson Fury.

Right, doesn't look bad at all, obviously, the odds might have swing a bit to Usyk because of Fury's performance against Ngannou. Maybe we can call that Tyson might have been exposed on that fight. However, we can't compare Usyk's style to Ngannou. And also the Ngannou is almost as tall as Fury and he has the power, so that negates Fury's physical advantage.

But against Usyk, obviously his imposing physically is going to be notice, height and weight and length advantage will be on Fury again. And we all know that he looks very good if he has the advantage against his opponent. It might be that the fight is unpredictable, as there is also this mind games that both of them are playing. But if we just look at the two, the advantage is on Fury that's why he is the favorite, not that big gap at 1.5, but still it will boost his confidence to see that he is the favorite in this fight.

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Quote from: Balmain on November 19, 2023, 03:41:45 PM

Quote from: notblox1 on November 18, 2023, 12:17:25 PM

Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk fight is finally confirmed for February 17, 2024 in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia!
I think this is enough time for both guys to heal and prepare well for this fight.
You can now watch full Press Conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOxmNEFwK-8

Odds are not bad at all on both fighters now in Sportsbet for early betting:

https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/boxing/international/international-matchups/fury-tyson-v-usyk-oleksandr-6554faff0a6c950001760aff

The odds don't look bad at all. Francis Ngannou seems to have tarnished the image of Tyson Fury quite a bit so the odds have been heavily affected. It is not my place to belittle Tyson Fury, but if Ngannou is knocking him down as a cage fighter and there are rumors that he lost, which in my opinion, I can say that Ngannou won this match or at worst it should have ended in a draw.

This odds is better before Fury fought Francis Ngannou I believe. A 1.53 odds seems quite attractive, considering Fury is still the best in the heavyweight division (IMO), despite Usyk's recent achievements. In my opinion, as long as Fury avoids a knockout, he's likely to win on points. He's taller and skilled at landing effective jabs.

Quote from: Balmain on November 19, 2023, 03:41:45 PM

It will be very difficult for Tyson Fury against Oleksandr Usyk because his mobility is not even found in many light heavyweight boxers, he is very fast for his weight and with this speed he can control Tyson Fury.

I guess we'll find out. We have different speculations, but only the outcome will determine who is correct here.

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Quote from: Balmain on November 19, 2023, 03:41:45 PM

The odds don't look bad at all. Francis Ngannou seems to have tarnished the image of Tyson Fury quite a bit so the odds have been heavily affected. It is not my place to belittle Tyson Fury, but if Ngannou is knocking him down as a cage fighter and there are rumors that he lost, which in my opinion, I can say that Ngannou won this match or at worst it should have ended in a draw. It will be very difficult for Tyson Fury against Oleksandr Usyk because his mobility is not even found in many light heavyweight boxers, he is very fast for his weight and with this speed he can control Tyson Fury.

Usyk has taken plenty of damage from fighters smaller than Fury. That's why I think he will struggle. If he can't avoid punishment from Anthony Joshua who is smaller and less skilled than Fury, then I don't think his speed and mobility will be enough to triumph. Fury is going to force him to engage and will test his resistance. This attrition will wear down Usyk and render him ineffective, in my opinion.

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Quote from: notblox1 on November 18, 2023, 12:17:25 PM

Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk fight is finally confirmed for February 17, 2024 in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia!
I think this is enough time for both guys to heal and prepare well for this fight.
You can now watch full Press Conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOxmNEFwK-8

Odds are not bad at all on both fighters now in Sportsbet for early betting:

https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/boxing/international/international-matchups/fury-tyson-v-usyk-oleksandr-6554faff0a6c950001760aff

The odds don't look bad at all. Francis Ngannou seems to have tarnished the image of Tyson Fury quite a bit so the odds have been heavily affected. It is not my place to belittle Tyson Fury, but if Ngannou is knocking him down as a cage fighter and there are rumors that he lost, which in my opinion, I can say that Ngannou won this match or at worst it should have ended in a draw. It will be very difficult for Tyson Fury against Oleksandr Usyk because his mobility is not even found in many light heavyweight boxers, he is very fast for his weight and with this speed he can control Tyson Fury.

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Quote from: Dave1 on November 19, 2023, 03:32:11 PM

^^ Yeah, ML looks good for Tyson Fury this early.

And if you are a supporter of him, might be good to just bet on the ML but you need to put a lot of money in him.

I dont like betting so early when there is few months before the fight, but I think odds will start to go down on Fury as the fight approaches.
Maybe odds on him are higher than I expected after his average performance against Ngannou, but I think his size difference will be main advantage in fight against Usyk.
This is first unified title fight after many years and I Usyk also preparing special tactic for Fury.

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^^ Yeah, ML looks good for Tyson Fury this early.

And if you are a supporter of him, might be good to just bet on the ML but you need to put a lot of money in him.

However, there could be skeptics on him based on his last performance against Ngannou. But still though, Fury has the physical advantage and I think he has more power than Usyk. But we have been waiting for this fight to happen, it might be close one, very unpredictable, but who's going with Fury?

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Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk fight is finally confirmed for February 17, 2024 in Riyadh, Saudi Arabia!
I think this is enough time for both guys to heal and prepare well for this fight.
You can now watch full Press Conference: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cOxmNEFwK-8

Odds are not bad at all on both fighters now in Sportsbet for early betting:

https://sportsbet.io/sports/event/boxing/international/international-matchups/fury-tyson-v-usyk-oleksandr-6554faff0a6c950001760aff

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on November 10, 2023, 01:03:11 PM

I am reading that the fight will now take place on Feb 17th 2024 after Fury's poor performance.

This will favor Fury because it will totally heal all the bruises and wounded pride of Fury, I also want a long recovery so we can expect a very healthy and motivated Fury after the bruises and wounds are healed, Fury can watch his match against Ngannou, and have perspective on what happened and see what's wrong and improve his performance.

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Usyk commented that he thinks Tyson Fury’s performance against Ngannou was planned.

https://boxing-social.com/news/usyk-on-fury-ngannou-performance/

Did Fury have to resort to that, is he that afraid of Usyk that he will use Ngannou for his strategy to beat Usyk, we have seen that Fury is not faking it, he was even shocked when Ngannou knocked him down, and we all saw how worried he was, he almost loses the fight, and if he loses the fight there's a possibility that their fight will not push through at all, so it's just a speculation, he just need to prepare for their February fight and stop making alibis.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on November 10, 2023, 01:03:11 PM

I am reading that the fight will now take place on Feb 17th 2024 after Fury's poor performance.

Usyk commented that he thinks Tyson Fury’s performance against Ngannou was planned.

https://boxing-social.com/news/usyk-on-fury-ngannou-performance/

I'm not sure if that is a plan though, if it is then it's very bad planning on the side of the Fury's. They got beat up and humiliated by a non boxer in Francis Ngannou, did go to the canvass, give him a black eye and he almost lost the fight if not for the judges saving his ass.

So I don't think that it's a plan, but most likely Usyk is now playing mind games with Fury and blaming him for the fight being postponed this December. So Francis needs more time to rest first obviously, then get his body and mind ready for Usyk. So it's going to take a lot from him mentally to get ready with Usyk. And if Fury hasn't recovered from that humiliation then Usyk will unify the belts.

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I am reading that the fight will now take place on Feb 17th 2024 after Fury's poor performance.

Usyk commented that he thinks Tyson Fury’s performance against Ngannou was planned.

https://boxing-social.com/news/usyk-on-fury-ngannou-performance/

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Quote from: Shamm on November 04, 2023, 11:30:05 AM

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Tyson fury we will see him again. Inside the ring and this time his opponent is Usyk which is pretty sure that this is a great fight it's worthy of our time when we see this for sure as we all know that Tyson fury is the favorite here but still Usyk has a potential so he can give a good fight against Fury and one thing for use if Usyk had an injury then he won't be fight this year and it will move in to January to march in the next fight.

Before Fury's fight with Francis, he was already considered the favorite to win against Usyk. I think that hasn't changed much, but some fans might have their doubts because Fury had a tough battle against Francis, who isn't a champion, and now he's up against a proven champion like Usyk.

This fight is becoming even more unpredictable, thanks to Francis joining the equation as one of the factors to consider when analyzing the potential winner of this unification bout. It's certainly on the minds of bettors.

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Quote from: stadus on November 04, 2023, 08:28:44 AM

The main problem that often arises is the money, specifically the split. But if you ask me, I believe this fight could have a 50/50 split for both fighters, or maybe a 60/40 split in favor of Fury because he's the more well-known boxer and could draw more pay-per-view subscribers.

While you and the others are arguing how they split the money, the promoters of this fight already knows that no matter who's going to favor in the split, they're still going to pocket the largest amount of money. People have no idea how corrupt the boxing federations are, the current system is designed to make money for the federations and promoters, look at what happened in the Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou fight, we know who's the clear winner during the fight but given how corrupt the system is, the undeserving got the belt. But hey, I'm not an expert in this kind of sport and I'm just a keen observer of what's going on so, I might be wrong and that Fury does deserve that win.

When you believe that they are greedy, they still would not be happy if they will not get the biggest share of the pie, despite the amount involved being already a substantial sum of money. That's how greedy promoters think; they want to maximize their profit on a big fight like this. But let's leave that to them; it's their job. As long as the fight will push through, we should be happy with that.

Boxing is business, and so with the huge money involved, almost all the A-side of boxing wanted to get the biggest share of the pie. So obviously, in here, Fury is the A-side, so he could be really getting a lot of money. And with his schedule fight with Usyk, for sure another big paycheck is going to wait for him. Although the reports says that the fight might push to next year as he need to rest because he was really hurt on the Ngannou fight.

Quote from: stadus on November 05, 2023, 07:08:11 AM

About the fight between Fury vs. Francis, it's a controversial fight, but let's also give respect to Fury as he didn't cheat. I think he fought well, making the judges favor him in a close fight. I understand the frustration of Francis' fans, but in the world of boxing, the result lies with the judges, not our personal perception.

I'm not saying that Fury cheated, but there are speculations that his gloves could be tampered.

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Francis Ngannou insists Tyson Fury's boxing gloves 'have no protection' and demands they are checked before their heavyweight showdown after Deontay Wilder previously complained they were a 'secret weapon'

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/boxing/article-12552113/Francis-Ngannou-insists-Tyson-Furys-boxing-gloves-no-protection-demands-checked-heavyweight-showdown-Deontay-Wilder-previously-complained-secret-weapon.html

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Quote from: Casdinyard on November 04, 2023, 10:28:38 AM

Quote from: stadus on November 04, 2023, 08:28:44 AM

The main problem that often arises is the money, specifically the split. But if you ask me, I believe this fight could have a 50/50 split for both fighters, or maybe a 60/40 split in favor of Fury because he's the more well-known boxer and could draw more pay-per-view subscribers.

While you and the others are arguing how they split the money, the promoters of this fight already knows that no matter who's going to favor in the split, they're still going to pocket the largest amount of money. People have no idea how corrupt the boxing federations are, the current system is designed to make money for the federations and promoters, look at what happened in the Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou fight, we know who's the clear winner during the fight but given how corrupt the system is, the undeserving got the belt. But hey, I'm not an expert in this kind of sport and I'm just a keen observer of what's going on so, I might be wrong and that Fury does deserve that win.

When you believe that they are greedy, they still would not be happy if they will not get the biggest share of the pie, despite the amount involved being already a substantial sum of money. That's how greedy promoters think; they want to maximize their profit on a big fight like this. But let's leave that to them; it's their job. As long as the fight will push through, we should be happy with that.

About the fight between Fury vs. Francis, it's a controversial fight, but let's also give respect to Fury as he didn't cheat. I think he fought well, making the judges favor him in a close fight. I understand the frustration of Francis' fans, but in the world of boxing, the result lies with the judges, not our personal perception.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on October 25, 2023, 05:45:38 AM

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Tyson fury we will see him again. Inside the ring and this time his opponent is Usyk which is pretty sure that this is a great fight it's worthy of our time when we see this for sure as we all know that Tyson fury is the favorite here but still Usyk has a potential so he can give a good fight against Fury and one thing for use if Usyk had an injury then he won't be fight this year and it will move in to January to march in the next fight.

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Quote from: coin-investor on November 04, 2023, 10:42:23 AM

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Quote from: stadus on November 04, 2023, 08:28:44 AM

The main problem that often arises is the money, specifically the split. But if you ask me, I believe this fight could have a 50/50 split for both fighters, or maybe a 60/40 split in favor of Fury because he's the more well-known boxer and could draw more pay-per-view subscribers.

While you and the others are arguing how they split the money, the promoters of this fight already knows that no matter who's going to favor in the split, they're still going to pocket the largest amount of money. People have no idea how corrupt the boxing federations are, the current system is designed to make money for the federations and promoters, look at what happened in the Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou fight, we know who's the clear winner during the fight but given how corrupt the system is, the undeserving got the belt. But hey, I'm not an expert in this kind of sport and I'm just a keen observer of what's going on so, I might be wrong and that Fury does deserve that win.

Just imagine the scenario if the judges awarded the decision to Ngannou or even called it a draw, this is chaos and would cause Fury and the boxing organizations he represented in big shame, so they have to take politics and corruption play here, Ngannou is the winner in the eyes of the boxing community, a lot of opportunities opened up for Ngannou, there is a buzz about Zhang Zilei fight and there's also a buzz fighting Anthony Joshua, suddenly every eyes are on Ngannou.

There's also a big turn of events because of what happened everybody was caught by surprise, Fury could become the underdog or the fight could be even if you look at Fury and Usyk confrontation, Usyk loses his respect for Fury and he wants the December fight to push through so he'll have the upper hand.

I can see what you're trying to make us visualize but what you've said about causing an outrage basically proved my point that the existing boxing federations are corrupt and will do anything to save face and at the same time try to meddle with the fair decisions by using politics and bribery which isn't far fetch. If the decision really favored Ngannou, I don't think that that's going to be what's happening, there's the possibility that it might give boxing a positive light that they're going to need because there's not a lot of people that's preferring boxing over MMA. I guess with all the stuff that's happened, moving on and just being mad on the corner about the decision is the only thing that we can do at this moment.

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Quote from: Casdinyard on November 04, 2023, 10:28:38 AM

Quote from: stadus on November 04, 2023, 08:28:44 AM

The main problem that often arises is the money, specifically the split. But if you ask me, I believe this fight could have a 50/50 split for both fighters, or maybe a 60/40 split in favor of Fury because he's the more well-known boxer and could draw more pay-per-view subscribers.

While you and the others are arguing how they split the money, the promoters of this fight already knows that no matter who's going to favor in the split, they're still going to pocket the largest amount of money. People have no idea how corrupt the boxing federations are, the current system is designed to make money for the federations and promoters, look at what happened in the Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou fight, we know who's the clear winner during the fight but given how corrupt the system is, the undeserving got the belt. But hey, I'm not an expert in this kind of sport and I'm just a keen observer of what's going on so, I might be wrong and that Fury does deserve that win.

The belt was never on the line when they fought. Everyone could agree about the corruption in boxing though. This has been happening since the time to which they already created 4 international organizations from IBF, WBC, WBA, and WBO. These 4 serves as the mafia in boxing and they have to agree on the fighter's cuts and even the PPV shares.

I don't really know what the story is but obviously, it is Ngannou. I think they really underestimated Ngannou and the big boys are rooting for Fury so despite the obvious, the judges are too scared to make Ngannou win.

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Quote from: Casdinyard on November 04, 2023, 10:28:38 AM

Quote from: stadus on November 04, 2023, 08:28:44 AM

The main problem that often arises is the money, specifically the split. But if you ask me, I believe this fight could have a 50/50 split for both fighters, or maybe a 60/40 split in favor of Fury because he's the more well-known boxer and could draw more pay-per-view subscribers.

While you and the others are arguing how they split the money, the promoters of this fight already knows that no matter who's going to favor in the split, they're still going to pocket the largest amount of money. People have no idea how corrupt the boxing federations are, the current system is designed to make money for the federations and promoters, look at what happened in the Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou fight, we know who's the clear winner during the fight but given how corrupt the system is, the undeserving got the belt. But hey, I'm not an expert in this kind of sport and I'm just a keen observer of what's going on so, I might be wrong and that Fury does deserve that win.

Just imagine the scenario if the judges awarded the decision to Ngannou or even called it a draw, this is chaos and would cause Fury and the boxing organizations he represented in big shame, so they have to take politics and corruption play here, Ngannou is the winner in the eyes of the boxing community, a lot of opportunities opened up for Ngannou, there is a buzz about Zhang Zilei fight and there's also a buzz fighting Anthony Joshua, suddenly every eyes are on Ngannou.

There's also a big turn of events because of what happened everybody was caught by surprise, Fury could become the underdog or the fight could be even if you look at Fury and Usyk confrontation, Usyk loses his respect for Fury and he wants the December fight to push through so he'll have the upper hand.

Whatever news comes in the coming days about Fury and Usyk it will be very interesting, we can analyze the merit of the fight.

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Quote from: stadus on November 04, 2023, 08:28:44 AM

The main problem that often arises is the money, specifically the split. But if you ask me, I believe this fight could have a 50/50 split for both fighters, or maybe a 60/40 split in favor of Fury because he's the more well-known boxer and could draw more pay-per-view subscribers.

While you and the others are arguing how they split the money, the promoters of this fight already knows that no matter who's going to favor in the split, they're still going to pocket the largest amount of money. People have no idea how corrupt the boxing federations are, the current system is designed to make money for the federations and promoters, look at what happened in the Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou fight, we know who's the clear winner during the fight but given how corrupt the system is, the undeserving got the belt. But hey, I'm not an expert in this kind of sport and I'm just a keen observer of what's going on so, I might be wrong and that Fury does deserve that win.

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Anyways, a new date for Usyk-Fury is expected in February. I am still doubtful unless it is official. I expect Fury to only fight March onwards unless Usyk threatens to file a case due to the failed December 23 date where he already made a camp in Spain. And for the second time, Usyk needs to stop his training camp since he cannot overtrain.

We're all waiting for the official announcement if the fight pushes through this December Usyk is on a huge advantage if January or February Fury can fully recuperate and give him enough time to heal his wounds and eventually build his confidence heading to the fight.

I don't think Usyk has a significant advantage over Fury. Fury has been in many battles, and he's a boxer who can take heavy punches and keep fighting. What Fury is dealing with is not an injury, so it should heal relatively quickly.

I'm more concerned about the training time. I don't think it's likely to happen in December, as they would have to shorten their training, which isn't good for fans who are expecting an entertaining fight.

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I'm sure there will be a lot of bargaining and negotiations that are going to happen back door, and we will see who got the better of the negotiation, but for me, I want both fighters healthy with good motivation so we can ensure a great fight, the fight will not be fair if one fighter has a mental advantage because of past events that occurred.

The main problem that often arises is the money, specifically the split. But if you ask me, I believe this fight could have a 50/50 split for both fighters, or maybe a 60/40 split in favor of Fury because he's the more well-known boxer and could draw more pay-per-view subscribers.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on November 02, 2023, 03:36:17 AM

Anyways, a new date for Usyk-Fury is expected in February. I am still doubtful unless it is official. I expect Fury to only fight March onwards unless Usyk threatens to file a case due to the failed December 23 date where he already made a camp in Spain. And for the second time, Usyk needs to stop his training camp since he cannot overtrain.

We're all waiting for the official announcement if the fight pushes through this December Usyk is on a huge advantage if January or February Fury can fully recuperate and give him enough time to heal his wounds and eventually build his confidence heading to the fight.

I'm sure there will be a lot of bargaining and negotiations that are going to happen back door, and we will see who got the better of the negotiation, but for me, I want both fighters healthy with good motivation so we can ensure a great fight, the fight will not be fair if one fighter has a mental advantage because of past events that occurred.

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