[Boxing] Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk - February 2024 in Saudi Arabia - page 6.

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Quote from: coin-investor on October 29, 2023, 08:29:43 AM

Fury going to the Usyk fight with what happened will dampen a little bit of his confidence, he needs to train really hard because of his performance and Usyk's performance in their last fights, Usyk performed far better than Usyk Although he gets knockdown he manages to stop Dubois.
But the fight should happen they should settle once and for all who is the undisputed champion of this era.

I just can't imagine if the fight pushed through if Fury lost his fight the fight could have been canceled, many believed that Ngannou won the fight, or it could have been a draw, but we know the boxing organization will protect their interest, the fight against Usyk must push for the boxing community's interests.

This fight seems done deal. This could have been one of the reasons the organization decided to pick Fury as the winner. If it was Francis, Usyk vs Fury might not push through. There could be a delay since Fury has a cut on his forehead. Early next year probably and it will be huge money again for Fury regardless of the outcome.

Can't imagine the frustration of the people who bet for Ngannou to win, they must have been expecting a big win until the decision came. Ngannou 8.20 won would be a treat.

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Fury going to the Usyk fight with what happened will dampen a little bit of his confidence, he needs to train really hard because of his performance and Usyk's performance in their last fights, Usyk performed far better than Usyk Although he gets knockdown he manages to stop Dubois.
But the fight should happen they should settle once and for all who is the undisputed champion of this era.

I just can't imagine if the fight pushed through if Fury lost his fight the fight could have been canceled, many believed that Ngannou won the fight, or it could have been a draw, but we know the boxing organization will protect their interest, the fight against Usyk must push for the boxing community's interests.

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Quote from: Saisher on October 28, 2023, 09:52:07 PM

The fight is debatable but Ngannou just proved to so many critics that he is a cut above the rest of the MMA fighters who shift to boxing, he can dare anyone in boxing to fight him and people will take him seriously now, he can dare Wilder or Joshua to fight him and people will be interested to see that happen.

He is freak though, super athletic that he can really shift from MMA to Boxing just like that. And also, he has one of the best heavyweight boxer that we have witnessed in Iron Mike and so it's more that enough that Francis is really motivated and the lessons that he learn from Mike Tyson really help him in this fight.

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Any step that Ngannou will take will be interesting he can go to MMA again under a different organization and can still conquer the heavyweight division or he can take boxing seriously and make a lot of money and could possibly win a title.

He made millions of dollars in boxing, so I doubt that he will come back to MMA regardless of what governing body it is. MMA can't offer him that money. Most likely his next fight in boxing will command more that this first fight as he proved that he can boxed with the best. And who knows, but chance or stroke of luck, he could be the first one to become a champion that cross over from MMA to Boxing.

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The fight is debatable but Ngannou just proved to so many critics that he is a cut above the rest of the MMA fighters who shift to boxing, he can dare anyone in boxing to fight him and people will take him seriously now, he can dare Wilder or Joshua to fight him and people will be interested to see that happen.

Any step that Ngannou will take will be interesting he can go to MMA again under a different organization and can still conquer the heavyweight division or he can take boxing seriously and make a lot of money and could possibly win a title.

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Quote from: electronicash on October 28, 2023, 08:49:12 PM

although won my bet fury by decision, i think ngannou won the fght seeing how devastating that KO was.

It wasn't a KO, just a knockdown; otherwise, Ngannou would have already won and the fight is over in the first round.

Quote from: electronicash on October 28, 2023, 08:49:12 PM

if t was MMA fury would have been in his worse KO of his life. even on youtube comments they were saying francis was robbed.

francis rally proved he is worthy of the opportunity, i guess he secured his boxing career which he will have another boxing fight in the future.

though he lost, he gained the respect. they are saving the face of boxing though so a fan i think will understand they let fury win. otherwise the boxing gyms will start adding MMA training.

That was a close fight; either fighter could have won, so we can really hear different sentiments from the people, especially since Ngannou scored a knockdown. However, it's very evident how Fury controlled the later rounds. I mean, Ngannou wasn't as aggressive anymore, and Fury was just racking up points with his jabs. That was the difference-maker in why Fury was able to rally in the score despite the knockdown. It's very rare to see a fighter get knocked down and still win the fight, but it's exceptional for Fury.

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although won my bet fury by decision, i think ngannou won the fght seeing how devastating that KO was. if t was MMA fury would have been in his worse KO of his life. even on youtube comments they were saying francis was robbed.

francis rally proved he is worthy of the opportunity, i guess he secured his boxing career which he will have another boxing fight in the future.

though he lost, he gained the respect. they are saving the face of boxing though so a fan i think will understand they let fury win. otherwise the boxing gyms will start adding MMA training.

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Quote from: robelneo on October 28, 2023, 06:38:56 PM

Francis Ngannou reached a milestone in this fight even though he lost by a split decision, many are surprised by Ngannou's performance he is much better than some of the veteran boxers Fury has fought in the past.
Ngannou can have a good boxing career if he chooses he has good ring generalship and he knows how to time his fight, Ngannou will have a lot of great success for any combat sport that he wants to get.
Scoring a knockdown and coming in very close against a lenial World Heavyweight champion is a huge achievement for him and he should be proud of it, I thought Ngannou won the fight when the first scorecard was announced and he was leading on it.

I don't know which one is more impressive, Francis scoring a knock down and almost winning the fight, or putting up a show for us and maybe believed that he won this fight if not for the judges screwing it up again or not really giving this one to him. At least a draw would have been better instead of giving it to Fury who didn't do anything after that knockdown in round three. Mike Tyson too will be proud of what Francis shows in this fight and almost pull one of the biggest upset.

Quote from: robelneo on October 28, 2023, 06:38:56 PM

Usyk will have a better view now on how to fight and beat Fury, if Ngannou almost beat Fury when it was his first boxing match what more can he do when is a a more veteran boxer in the ring.

It exposed Fury for sure, we all know that Usyk has also a great boxing IQ and seeing this fight first hand, he could have already building his strategy already and seeing himself on how he can beat Tyson Fury. Anyhow, the stage is set for Fury and Usyk, unification fight.

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Francis Ngannou reached a milestone in this fight even though he lost by a split decision, many are surprised by Ngannou's performance he is much better than some of the veteran boxers Fury has fought in the past.
Ngannou can have a good boxing career if he chooses he has good ring generalship and he knows how to time his fight, Ngannou will have a lot of great success for any combat sport that he wants to get.
Scoring a knockdown and coming in very close against a lenial World Heavyweight champion is a huge achievement for him and he should be proud of it, I thought Ngannou won the fight when the first scorecard was announced and he was leading on it.

I was impressed by Ngannou. His skill level and stamina are above that of somebody like Deontay Wilder. I would also probably rank him above Anthony Joshua and Andy Ruiz currently. He is also massive in size and pure muscle. Originally, I thought Fury would be able to use his size to dominate but as it turns out promoters have been lying about his height and he is only slightly taller than Ngannou.

Everyone was really impressed as what Ngannou shows us in his fight against Tyson Fury. Everyone thought that he will not last against the best HW of this generation. However, not only this he last 10 full 12 rounds, but he was able to knock him down in the 3rd round. If that is Joshua, I don't know if he was able to get back up without being damage mentally just like in the Ruiz fight.

Quote from: FinneysTrueVision on October 28, 2023, 07:04:19 PM

Ngannou should forget about MMA and focus on boxing instead. That's where the money is at and he is certainly capable of becoming champion. From what we saw tonight, I wouldn't count him out against Fury in a rematch or against Usyk. The division just got a lot more interesting and I am excited to see who can become the ultimate king amongst these fighters.

I think he is not going back to MMA anymore, him and Dana had a lot of difference now. He should focus on his boxing and fight the likes of Joshua or Wilder or even second tier boxer from England to test his skills and obviously improved. And maybe after a couple more fights and he had that experience, he can go back and ask for a Tyson Fury rematch.

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Quote from: robelneo on October 28, 2023, 06:38:56 PM

Francis Ngannou reached a milestone in this fight even though he lost by a split decision, many are surprised by Ngannou's performance he is much better than some of the veteran boxers Fury has fought in the past.
Ngannou can have a good boxing career if he chooses he has good ring generalship and he knows how to time his fight, Ngannou will have a lot of great success for any combat sport that he wants to get.
Scoring a knockdown and coming in very close against a lenial World Heavyweight champion is a huge achievement for him and he should be proud of it, I thought Ngannou won the fight when the first scorecard was announced and he was leading on it.

I was impressed by Ngannou. His skill level and stamina are above that of somebody like Deontay Wilder. I would also probably rank him above Anthony Joshua and Andy Ruiz currently. He is also massive in size and pure muscle. Originally, I thought Fury would be able to use his size to dominate but as it turns out promoters have been lying about his height and he is only slightly taller than Ngannou.

Ngannou should forget about MMA and focus on boxing instead. That's where the money is at and he is certainly capable of becoming champion. From what we saw tonight, I wouldn't count him out against Fury in a rematch or against Usyk. The division just got a lot more interesting and I am excited to see who can become the ultimate king amongst these fighters.

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Francis Ngannou reached a milestone in this fight even though he lost by a split decision, many are surprised by Ngannou's performance he is much better than some of the veteran boxers Fury has fought in the past.
Ngannou can have a good boxing career if he chooses he has good ring generalship and he knows how to time his fight, Ngannou will have a lot of great success for any combat sport that he wants to get.
Scoring a knockdown and coming in very close against a lenial World Heavyweight champion is a huge achievement for him and he should be proud of it, I thought Ngannou won the fight when the first scorecard was announced and he was leading on it.

Usyk will have a better view now on how to fight and beat Fury, if Ngannou almost beat Fury when it was his first boxing match what more can he do when is a a more veteran boxer in the ring.

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Quote from: electronicash on October 25, 2023, 10:35:17 PM

no one would really believe Ngannou to win this while the odds obviously favor Fury 1.05 vs Ngannou 8.20. bookmaker already decides who wins the fight. [........]

Yes, that odds was set by boomakers which is very high for Ngannou , and to think Ngannou would have a x8.20 odds, that's too attractive but who would dare to bet on that? This is an interesting fight but this isn't the right thread for such discussion, lets bring that discussion to Tyson Fury vs Francis Ngannou Boxing October 28 ...

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no one would really believe Ngannou to win this while the odds obviously favor Fury 1.05 vs Ngannou 8.20. bookmaker already decides who wins the fight. by any chance, there will be an upset, it's gonna close to being rug-pulled by Ngannou. the MMA community will really be laughing hard while Dana gonna have a heart attack.

if there is anything to decide which side you gonna pick while you think this is just an exhibition, it would be a draw which is Draw 26.00.
but some indicators that crazy boxing fans saw is that they made the fight last 10 rounds and bigger ring size as well. what could that mean as they could play a tag game inside? Grin

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Francis will be like a sparring session for Fury, sort of a training but Fury should be worrying whether he could really fight after just 2-4 months.

https://www.boxingscene.com/usyk-on-injuries-ahead-fury-showdown-i-t-say-everything-ok-everythings-under-control--178633

Usyk having an injury for which he needed 14 weeks to train is like a fight between Usyk and Fury written on the flowing waters. And him talking about injuries with no exact date or location yet. Something tells me it won't happen.

Maybe the Big Belly vs Ngannou fight is scripted? However, even without a script, it is still hard to imagine a 37-year-old who has been inactive for nearly 2 years beating a boxing champion in his debut. So Tyson Fury should be fine. My guess earlier is the fight with Usyk should happen before Christmas and New Year's or the fight will be moved to early March onwards.

The expected date is December 23. If Usyk has an injury he rather demand a later date or he will regret losing to Fury with an injury. Just like when his friend Loma lost a close fight to Teofimo Lopez and was only operated after the fight.

There's also a statement from Fury's camp that Usyk can file a case if he won't fight on December 23. It seems like the contract is signed but without a date and Big Belly is the one to decide it. I won't be surprised though if he tries to exploit Usyk again like giving a short notice to shorten the regular training camp.

I can't remember, but I read the Usyk is somewhat injured right now, so there is a big possibility that the Usyk vs Fury might push for next year. But still, Usyk said that he is willing to fight so for sure this fight is going to push through.

And yes, I don't see Francis putting up a massive upset on Tyson here. It's good that we see promotions in this fight. But it will take Francis to be lucky to hit Tyson and knock him out for good. That is the only way he can win this fight, with a knockout. But Tyson Fury is also a defensive boxer so I doubt that Francis can land his signature power punch just like he did in UFC.

It's just crazy how they want to get each other's skin that Fury goes so far in announcing his fight with Usyk while his fight with Francis hasn't happened yet. No one has done that in the history of boxing.
But this could be the reason why Usyk is not up to what Fury is playing.

The Fury vs Usyk fight could have happened last Dec 2022 but Fury was ducking Usyk and instead fighting the ones he knows are no match to him such as Chisora.

Indeed, perhaps Fury's camp really knows that this is just a tune-up for him and the big fish is Usyk. Maybe they don't want to go to Usyk directly though and have him wait as we all know that there is also this element of pysche war going on between this two top HW fighters.

Usyk has his fight already, won (although it could be argued that it was controversial). Now it's time for Fury to win against Francis.

And once he win, obviously, it will be December or early next year for Usyk vs Fury.

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Francis will be like a sparring session for Fury, sort of a training but Fury should be worrying whether he could really fight after just 2-4 months.

https://www.boxingscene.com/usyk-on-injuries-ahead-fury-showdown-i-t-say-everything-ok-everythings-under-control--178633

Usyk having an injury for which he needed 14 weeks to train is like a fight between Usyk and Fury written on the flowing waters. And him talking about injuries with no exact date or location yet. Something tells me it won't happen.

Maybe the Big Belly vs Ngannou fight is scripted? However, even without a script, it is still hard to imagine a 37-year-old who has been inactive for nearly 2 years beating a boxing champion in his debut. So Tyson Fury should be fine. My guess earlier is the fight with Usyk should happen before Christmas and New Year's or the fight will be moved to early March onwards.

The expected date is December 23. If Usyk has an injury he rather demand a later date or he will regret losing to Fury with an injury. Just like when his friend Loma lost a close fight to Teofimo Lopez and was only operated after the fight.

There's also a statement from Fury's camp that Usyk can file a case if he won't fight on December 23. It seems like the contract is signed but without a date and Big Belly is the one to decide it. I won't be surprised though if he tries to exploit Usyk again like giving a short notice to shorten the regular training camp.

I can't remember, but I read the Usyk is somewhat injured right now, so there is a big possibility that the Usyk vs Fury might push for next year. But still, Usyk said that he is willing to fight so for sure this fight is going to push through.

And yes, I don't see Francis putting up a massive upset on Tyson here. It's good that we see promotions in this fight. But it will take Francis to be lucky to hit Tyson and knock him out for good. That is the only way he can win this fight, with a knockout. But Tyson Fury is also a defensive boxer so I doubt that Francis can land his signature power punch just like he did in UFC.

It's just crazy how they want to get each other's skin that Fury goes so far in announcing his fight with Usyk while his fight with Francis hasn't happened yet. No one has done that in the history of boxing.
But this could be the reason why Usyk is not up to what Fury is playing.

The Fury vs Usyk fight could have happened last Dec 2022 but Fury was ducking Usyk and instead fighting the ones he knows are no match to him such as Chisora.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on October 25, 2023, 08:28:44 AM

Maybe the best question here is what round Fury obliterates Ngannou. And by the way, Usyk is the king, 4 belts to 1 and he owns the Ring belt. Cheesy

When it comes to the number of belts, Usyk has more of them, but when it comes to the quality of opponents beaten, I believe Fury has the edge. However, it might vary depending on how fans perceive it. What's important is that they'll fight, and then we'll truly know who the real king is.

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If Usyk is injured then he should not allow a December 23 date. It's really crazy to see big fights when someone is already injured before the bell rings. It's like last weekend when Volk and Usman were late substitutes where they lost. No matter how they say there were no excuses, any hardcore fans cannot rule out in their minds that they were not at their best during those fights. So hopefully Usyk can set aside his machismo because it's not cool. And for sure Big Belly would love to fight someone injured and with less training time.

That would be a disservice to the fans and bettors if Usyk were to fight with an injury and not disclose it. He should make sure he's at 100% before taking on Fury, especially since it's the biggest fight of his career. Even though he may have more belts, the bookmakers see Fury as having a better chance of winning.

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And yes, I don't see Francis putting up a massive upset on Tyson here. It's good that we see promotions in this fight. But it will take Francis to be lucky to hit Tyson and knock him out for good. That is the only way he can win this fight, with a knockout. But Tyson Fury is also a defensive boxer so I doubt that Francis can land his signature power punch just like he did in UFC.

I don't rule out an upset, upset can happen to any boxer even the greatest boxers suffered an upset, I'm comfortable that Fury will win because he has a huge advantage in terms of power and ring generalship but if he relaxes and takes Ngannou for granted he can be hit by a phantom punch or a lucky punch.
Only 5 days to go and the excitement is going I'm sure the weigh-in and the fight will be a big hit.

Still Fury for me. There's a lot of hype around Francis now, but we know who the real deal is. This is boxing, and Fury is the king here. If Fury gets challenged in this fight, it could serve as a good tune-up match for him before the unification fight against Oleksandr Usyk.

It would also be advantageous for Usyk if the fight happens next year, giving him time to heal from any injuries, so that if he were to lose, he wouldn't have any excuses to fall back on.

Maybe the best question here is what round Fury obliterates Ngannou. And by the way, Usyk is the king, 4 belts to 1 and he owns the Ring belt. Cheesy

If Usyk is injured then he should not allow a December 23 date. It's really crazy to see big fights when someone is already injured before the bell rings. It's like last weekend when Volk and Usman were late substitutes where they lost. No matter how they say there were no excuses, any hardcore fans cannot rule out in their minds that they were not at their best during those fights. So hopefully Usyk can set aside his machismo because it's not cool. And for sure Big Belly would love to fight someone injured and with less training time.

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And yes, I don't see Francis putting up a massive upset on Tyson here. It's good that we see promotions in this fight. But it will take Francis to be lucky to hit Tyson and knock him out for good. That is the only way he can win this fight, with a knockout. But Tyson Fury is also a defensive boxer so I doubt that Francis can land his signature power punch just like he did in UFC.

I don't rule out an upset, upset can happen to any boxer even the greatest boxers suffered an upset, I'm comfortable that Fury will win because he has a huge advantage in terms of power and ring generalship but if he relaxes and takes Ngannou for granted he can be hit by a phantom punch or a lucky punch.
Only 5 days to go and the excitement is going I'm sure the weigh-in and the fight will be a big hit.

Still Fury for me. There's a lot of hype around Francis now, but we know who the real deal is. This is boxing, and Fury is the king here. If Fury gets challenged in this fight, it could serve as a good tune-up match for him before the unification fight against Oleksandr Usyk.

It would also be advantageous for Usyk if the fight happens next year, giving him time to heal from any injuries, so that if he were to lose, he wouldn't have any excuses to fall back on.

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Quote from: Kemarit on October 25, 2023, 05:57:52 AM

I can't remember, but I read the Usyk is somewhat injured right now, so there is a big possibility that the Usyk vs Fury might push for next year. But still, Usyk said that he is willing to fight so for sure this fight is going to push through.

Yes, he admitted that he suffered an injury from his last fight against Dubois but it's an old injury that needs to be healed, old boxers have these injuries it's not a big injury but it keeps coming back after every fight, I think he's been fighting with this injury, he did not elaborate further, its actually a good strategy for Fury not to take him seriously, its a mind game strategy employ by every boxers when there's a big fight coming and a Fury fight is the big fight of his career.

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And yes, I don't see Francis putting up a massive upset on Tyson here. It's good that we see promotions in this fight. But it will take Francis to be lucky to hit Tyson and knock him out for good. That is the only way he can win this fight, with a knockout. But Tyson Fury is also a defensive boxer so I doubt that Francis can land his signature power punch just like he did in UFC.

I don't rule out an upset, upset can happen to any boxer even the greatest boxers suffered an upset, I'm comfortable that Fury will win because he has a huge advantage in terms of power and ring generalship but if he relaxes and takes Ngannou for granted he can be hit by a phantom punch or a lucky punch.
Only 5 days to go and the excitement is going I'm sure the weigh-in and the fight will be a big hit.

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Francis will be like a sparring session for Fury, sort of a training but Fury should be worrying whether he could really fight after just 2-4 months.

https://www.boxingscene.com/usyk-on-injuries-ahead-fury-showdown-i-t-say-everything-ok-everythings-under-control--178633

Usyk having an injury for which he needed 14 weeks to train is like a fight between Usyk and Fury written on the flowing waters. And him talking about injuries with no exact date or location yet. Something tells me it won't happen.

Maybe the Big Belly vs Ngannou fight is scripted? However, even without a script, it is still hard to imagine a 37-year-old who has been inactive for nearly 2 years beating a boxing champion in his debut. So Tyson Fury should be fine. My guess earlier is the fight with Usyk should happen before Christmas and New Year's or the fight will be moved to early March onwards.

The expected date is December 23. If Usyk has an injury he rather demand a later date or he will regret losing to Fury with an injury. Just like when his friend Loma lost a close fight to Teofimo Lopez and was only operated after the fight.

There's also a statement from Fury's camp that Usyk can file a case if he won't fight on December 23. It seems like the contract is signed but without a date and Big Belly is the one to decide it. I won't be surprised though if he tries to exploit Usyk again like giving a short notice to shorten the regular training camp.

I can't remember, but I read the Usyk is somewhat injured right now, so there is a big possibility that the Usyk vs Fury might push for next year. But still, Usyk said that he is willing to fight so for sure this fight is going to push through.

And yes, I don't see Francis putting up a massive upset on Tyson here. It's good that we see promotions in this fight. But it will take Francis to be lucky to hit Tyson and knock him out for good. That is the only way he can win this fight, with a knockout. But Tyson Fury is also a defensive boxer so I doubt that Francis can land his signature power punch just like he did in UFC.

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Quote from: bittraffic on October 24, 2023, 10:57:52 AM

Francis will be like a sparring session for Fury, sort of a training but Fury should be worrying whether he could really fight after just 2-4 months.

https://www.boxingscene.com/usyk-on-injuries-ahead-fury-showdown-i-t-say-everything-ok-everythings-under-control--178633

Usyk having an injury for which he needed 14 weeks to train is like a fight between Usyk and Fury written on the flowing waters. And him talking about injuries with no exact date or location yet. Something tells me it won't happen.

Maybe the Big Belly vs Ngannou fight is scripted? However, even without a script, it is still hard to imagine a 37-year-old who has been inactive for nearly 2 years beating a boxing champion in his debut. So Tyson Fury should be fine. My guess earlier is the fight with Usyk should happen before Christmas and New Year's or the fight will be moved to early March onwards.

The expected date is December 23. If Usyk has an injury he rather demand a later date or he will regret losing to Fury with an injury. Just like when his friend Loma lost a close fight to Teofimo Lopez and was only operated after the fight.

There's also a statement from Fury's camp that Usyk can file a case if he won't fight on December 23. It seems like the contract is signed but without a date and Big Belly is the one to decide it. I won't be surprised though if he tries to exploit Usyk again like giving a short notice to shorten the regular training camp.

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