[Boxing] Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk - February 2024 in Saudi Arabia - page 3.

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Quote from: Inwestour on December 06, 2023, 10:56:37 AM

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But Ngannou can be considered an amateur in boxing it was his first boxing match when he fought Fury and yet he put down and almost beat Fury what more for a guy who is a two-time World champion, we all thought it was a walk-in park for Fury when he fought Ngannou but Ngannou prove us wrong, I say its 50/50 for me based on both fighters last fight.

Usyk performed better than Fury in their last fight and if the fight is not moved, Fury is in big trouble, right now Fury is in the healing process of trying to get back his confidence because it is no joke being knocked down and almost beaten by a guy who just took up boxing recently.

Ngannou is not just a guy from the street, he has a lot of experience in the UFC and although I agree that this is a completely different type of martial arts, he already had a very strong base. In my opinion, Ngannou beat Fury, but for the judges to give him the victory, he must knock out Fury.

Usyk is faster than Fury, I have no doubt about that, but Usyk doesn't have so strong punch, so if Fury can land a few good punches, Usyk will have problems.

It would probably be more interesting for me to watch the revenge of Fury and Nganu than the fight between Fury and Usyk, but if Usyk manages to defeat Fury, then this revenge may never happen.

A completely trained Fury with not much fat on his body will be as fast as Usyk, he will control Usyk in the corner of the ring and he will put him on a stretcher. Tyson Fury might have only done 1 week of training for Ngannou. Much of his time might have been wasted on watching movies, eating junk food and drinking beer hehehe.

This fight against Usyk will be for the unified championship and everyone speculates that Tyson Fury will be fat again? I shake my head. Clearly the minds of many fans have certainly been tricked by Fury's fight vs. Ngannou.

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Ngannou has a heavy hand, so it's not really unimaginable for him to send Fury down. Did he win, though? Nope. Wilder sent Fury down as well. Did he win? Nope. Sometimes strong punch isn't enough.

And Usyk doesn't even have that gift. So we can discount it as a real threat. And it's a fallacy to argue that since Ngannou, an MMA fighter who crossed into boxing, knocked Fury down, a 2-time boxing champion can more easily do that. That's wrong. Usyk was a knockout artist only when he started boxing. That's a long time ago. Yes, he knocked out Dubois, but prior to that, when was the last time he won via knockout? 5 years ago?

Sometimes strong punch is not need to knock out a person. I would say that strong is not needed at all know out a guy. People gets knocked out not because the punch was strong, but because it was unexpected. Wilder is a good example. He isnt strong, he isnt a real heavyweight (guy is just 95-97kg, even Usyk is heavier), but knocks people down easily. Usyk dont necessarily needs strength to knockout, but the probability that he could do that is high because of his tactics (landing lots of punches aka punch spam machine). And is one of reasons why we havent seen him knocking people lately. Due to his tactics. From basics he was trained differently, he was trained for Olympic boxing, and there, will all that head guard, we rarely see knockouts but mostly see victories by points.

I'm afraid you got too many wrongs in this single post.

1. A strong punch "is not needed at all" to knock out a guy? So, what's needed, a tickle? LOL!

2. Boxing isn't a slap contest. Knockout punches always come unexpected. Otherwise, the boxer would have dodged it, braced himself, or put up a solid cover.

3. You talked of strong punches and, of all heavyweights, you used Deontay Wilder as an example of one who doesn't have that? Come on! Winning 42 of his 43 wins by way of knockout and Wilder doesn't have a strong punch? So, what has he got, magical powers?

4. Weight is the basis of a boxer's power? Wilder is knocking his opponents out not because of his weight but because of his punching power.

5. Wilder not a real heavyweight? Come on! In his entire professional boxing career, he's only fighting in that weight class. Even when he was an amateur boxer, he was already fighting in that division.

6. And so on. LOL!

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Quote from: coin-investor on December 05, 2023, 09:01:49 PM

But Ngannou can be considered an amateur in boxing it was his first boxing match when he fought Fury and yet he put down and almost beat Fury what more for a guy who is a two-time World champion, we all thought it was a walk-in park for Fury when he fought Ngannou but Ngannou prove us wrong, I say its 50/50 for me based on both fighters last fight.

Usyk performed better than Fury in their last fight and if the fight is not moved, Fury is in big trouble, right now Fury is in the healing process of trying to get back his confidence because it is no joke being knocked down and almost beaten by a guy who just took up boxing recently.

Ngannou is not just a guy from the street, he has a lot of experience in the UFC and although I agree that this is a completely different type of martial arts, he already had a very strong base. In my opinion, Ngannou beat Fury, but for the judges to give him the victory, he must knock out Fury.

Usyk is faster than Fury, I have no doubt about that, but Usyk doesn't have so strong punch, so if Fury can land a few good punches, Usyk will have problems.

It would probably be more interesting for me to watch the revenge of Fury and Nganu than the fight between Fury and Usyk, but if Usyk manages to defeat Fury, then this revenge may never happen.

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Quote from: Maslate on December 05, 2023, 10:38:31 PM

I suspect that as well, now people thought after that performance of Fury that Usyk would easily beat him as he struggle to Ngannou. I tell you all, things will be different this time around, it's a unification fight, lots are at stake here and Fury winning this making him the greatest Heavyweight champion this current time, so I think we will see Fury perform better and Usyk will struggle finding his range against a taller and smarter Fury.

Obviously, he will gonna strive more here than he did against Ngannou because this is how he will become one of the Legendary boxers in the Heavyweight Division and since the fight will happen in one of the rich countries in the Middle East, consider it a historical once again and they will gonna make huge promotions with this fight like how they did last time. Fury is lucky because this is his era and he receives lots of great offers this time and will continue to have such offers if he continues to win every fight before his retirement. But he really needs to excel in his effort here and make it a win that no one will question.

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Quote from: Jating on December 05, 2023, 07:30:32 PM

^^ Perhaps it was due to Usyk as a natural cruiserweight in my opinion that why he thought that he has that speed against those heavyweights. He shown it twice already against Anthony Joshua as he was able to slip that left hand of his many times because he is quick.

However, if he has the speed then Fury has the height and reach advantage and he knows how to use it. So maybe Usyk can throw some and hit Fury but what if Tyson timing everything and put a good counter and caught Usyk several times in this fight. It could be a factor later in the rounds, championship rounds that can make the difference in this fight if it goes 12 rounds.

Yes, Usyk is just a blown-up cruiserweight. If not for his superb skills and high IQ he could not hang with these heavyweights since he is giving up 10 to 40 pounds of weight.

If Tyson Fury enters the ring with the same weight as his Ngannou fight, he will be around 60 pounds heavier than Usyk. But I guess Fury will be dropping down weight to make him a little lighter since he is facing a speedy technical fighter. I expect Fury to be around 260 and I won't be surprised if he drops as low as 255.

I think Fury will be the aggressor and he won't wait to counter Usyk. Usyk will be too fast so Fury needs to put some pressure. Both fighters can counter each other, Fury with his timing while Usyk with his speed.

The referee will play a very important role here. If the referee allows constant clinches and dirty inside fighting then Usyk will have serious problems dealing with the huge weight disadvantage.

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Quote from: Darker45 on December 05, 2023, 10:32:42 PM

Ngannou has a heavy hand, so it's not really unimaginable for him to send Fury down. Did he win, though? Nope. Wilder sent Fury down as well. Did he win? Nope. Sometimes strong punch isn't enough.

And Usyk doesn't even have that gift. So we can discount it as a real threat. And it's a fallacy to argue that since Ngannou, an MMA fighter who crossed into boxing, knocked Fury down, a 2-time boxing champion can more easily do that. That's wrong. Usyk was a knockout artist only when he started boxing. That's a long time ago. Yes, he knocked out Dubois, but prior to that, when was the last time he won via knockout? 5 years ago?

Sometimes strong punch is not need to knock out a person. I would say that strong is not needed at all know out a guy. People gets knocked out not because the punch was strong, but because it was unexpected. Wilder is a good example. He isnt strong, he isnt a real heavyweight (guy is just 95-97kg, even Usyk is heavier), but knocks people down easily. Usyk dont necessarily needs strength to knockout, but the probability that he could do that is high because of his tactics (landing lots of punches aka punch spam machine). And is one of reasons why we havent seen him knocking people lately. Due to his tactics. From basics he was trained differently, he was trained for Olympic boxing, and there, will all that head guard, we rarely see knockouts but mostly see victories by points.

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@Maslate. However, what many fans might have not known is Tyson Fury did not train very hard for Ngannou which implies that Fury might have underestimated him. We can be quite certain that Fury will not be underestimating Usyk. There is also a championship at risk. This will be a different fight, a more important fight for Tyson Fury and his legacy.

Tyson Fury odds on 1.61 is very good, I reckon.

Yes, and that's what boxing fans speculate, he really underestimate Francis Ngannou that time, and just trying to justify that he almost lost to the guy and say that Francis is a hard fight for him as compare to Usyk. But we all know that is not the case, Usyk has movement and a champion, so how can Fury says that he will be an easy opponent for him? He is just trying to downplay Usyk and then stroke his ego that he can beat him. And I do agree that backers of Fury will have a field day with that kind of odds although the fight is still very far and there could be swings in the odds.

Looks like the promotional video was for real, Fury was just trying to gain weight through eating while Ngannou was training hard to surprise the world. Well, he indeed surprise the world as we weren't expecting he'll win, but it's "Almost", that put Ngannou being a champ like while Fury downgraded to being a rookie like.

Most likely it was the case here, and to think that Fury is talking about his future fight with Usyk in Saudi, it make us think that he is overlooking Francis Ngannou. And while they make and try to promote it very hard, even his dad has somethings to say about Mike Tyson supposedly.

But at the end of the day, he did get the W, barely and the judges favor here because it's either they don't want to derail the fight with him and Usyk (supposedly December but was push to February because Fury need more rest to heal from the damage he has taken from the Ngannou fight.)

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@Maslate. However, what many fans might have not known is Tyson Fury did not train very hard for Ngannou which implies that Fury might have underestimated him. We can be quite certain that Fury will not be underestimating Usyk. There is also a championship at risk. This will be a different fight, a more important fight for Tyson Fury and his legacy.

Tyson Fury odds on 1.61 is very good, I reckon.

Yes, and that's what boxing fans speculate, he really underestimate Francis Ngannou that time, and just trying to justify that he almost lost to the guy and say that Francis is a hard fight for him as compare to Usyk. But we all know that is not the case, Usyk has movement and a champion, so how can Fury says that he will be an easy opponent for him? He is just trying to downplay Usyk and then stroke his ego that he can beat him. And I do agree that backers of Fury will have a field day with that kind of odds although the fight is still very far and there could be swings in the odds.

Looks like the promotional video was for real, Fury was just trying to gain weight through eating while Ngannou was training hard to surprise the world. Well, he indeed surprise the world as we weren't expecting he'll win, but it's "Almost", that put Ngannou being a champ like while Fury downgraded to being a rookie like.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on December 05, 2023, 11:38:48 PM

@Maslate. However, what many fans might have not known is Tyson Fury did not train very hard for Ngannou which implies that Fury might have underestimated him. We can be quite certain that Fury will not be underestimating Usyk. There is also a championship at risk. This will be a different fight, a more important fight for Tyson Fury and his legacy.

Tyson Fury odds on 1.61 is very good, I reckon.

Yes, and that's what boxing fans speculate, he really underestimate Francis Ngannou that time, and just trying to justify that he almost lost to the guy and say that Francis is a hard fight for him as compare to Usyk. But we all know that is not the case, Usyk has movement and a champion, so how can Fury says that he will be an easy opponent for him? He is just trying to downplay Usyk and then stroke his ego that he can beat him. And I do agree that backers of Fury will have a field day with that kind of odds although the fight is still very far and there could be swings in the odds.

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Quote from: bbc.reporter on December 05, 2023, 11:38:48 PM

Tyson Fury odds on 1.61 is very good, I reckon.

That's actually a good odds, X that close fight with Francis and fans would easily take that.

I like that some have doubts on Fury as the odds have improve for him, I doubt, if Fury were able to KO Francis, he'll be like 1.30 ML against Usyk even if it's a unification fight.

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@Maslate. However, what many fans might have not known is Tyson Fury did not train very hard for Ngannou which implies that Fury might have underestimated him. We can be quite certain that Fury will not be underestimating Usyk. There is also a championship at risk. This will be a different fight, a more important fight for Tyson Fury and his legacy.

Tyson Fury odds on 1.61 is very good, I reckon.

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Quote from: Darker45 on December 05, 2023, 10:32:42 PM

I guess Fury didn't really take Ngannou too seriously. He was an MMA fighter and the history of those who crossed borders was more funny than entertaining. But he won that fight nevertheless. So he's not really facing Usyk with a lot of psychological or emotional baggage. If at all, he'd be more prepared now that his previous fight showed him danger because of being too lax.

I suspect that as well, now people thought after that performance of Fury that Usyk would easily beat him as he struggle to Ngannou. I tell you all, things will be different this time around, it's a unification fight, lots are at stake here and Fury winning this making him the greatest Heavyweight champion this current time, so I think we will see Fury perform better and Usyk will struggle finding his range against a taller and smarter Fury.

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But Ngannou can be considered an amateur in boxing it was his first boxing match when he fought Fury and yet he put down and almost beat Fury what more for a guy who is a two-time World champion, we all thought it was a walk-in park for Fury when he fought Ngannou but Ngannou prove us wrong, I say its 50/50 for me based on both fighters last fight.

Usyk performed better than Fury in their last fight and if the fight is not moved, Fury is in big trouble, right now Fury is in the healing process of trying to get back his confidence because it is no joke being knocked down and almost beaten by a guy who just took up boxing recently.

Ngannou has a heavy hand, so it's not really unimaginable for him to send Fury down. Did he win, though? Nope. Wilder sent Fury down as well. Did he win? Nope. Sometimes strong punch isn't enough.

And Usyk doesn't even have that gift. So we can discount it as a real threat. And it's a fallacy to argue that since Ngannou, an MMA fighter who crossed into boxing, knocked Fury down, a 2-time boxing champion can more easily do that. That's wrong. Usyk was a knockout artist only when he started boxing. That's a long time ago. Yes, he knocked out Dubois, but prior to that, when was the last time he won via knockout? 5 years ago?

I guess Fury didn't really take Ngannou too seriously. He was an MMA fighter and the history of those who crossed borders was more funny than entertaining. But he won that fight nevertheless. So he's not really facing Usyk with a lot of psychological or emotional baggage. If at all, he'd be more prepared now that his previous fight showed him danger because of being too lax.

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Quote from: Darker45 on December 05, 2023, 08:02:38 PM

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Former Heavyweight Champion, Deontay Wilder recently shared his thoughts on this fight -

https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/news/boxing/tyson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-deontay-wilder-makes-fight-prediction/a85k15wb80rp1odd2jhlbkkp7

“It's a 50-50 fight, anything can happen. People look at Fury's size as a major advantage but that doesn't necessarily mean nothing because Usyk can stay low to the ground and because Fury's so tall it's going to be difficult to reach down”

“If Usyk can get in and out real fast, I feel speed could be a major factor. For me it's 50-50 and I'm glad it's finally happening so we get all the belts in one place”

Wilder is saying it's a 50:50 fight and yet seems to provide reasons why Usyk could be at an advantage here. He couldn't seem to just set it straight, that the man who humiliated him not once, not twice, but thrice would probably defeat Usyk and that's a huge blow to his wish to become an undisputed champion himself.

How could Usyk staying low to the ground be an advantage for him? If Tyson was able to put his weight on a 6'7" opponent, would it be a lot easier for him to do that to a 6'3" fighter?

But Ngannou can be considered an amateur in boxing it was his first boxing match when he fought Fury and yet he put down and almost beat Fury what more for a guy who is a two-time World champion, we all thought it was a walk-in park for Fury when he fought Ngannou but Ngannou prove us wrong, I say its 50/50 for me based on both fighters last fight.

Usyk performed better than Fury in their last fight and if the fight is not moved, Fury is in big trouble, right now Fury is in the healing process of trying to get back his confidence because it is no joke being knocked down and almost beaten by a guy who just took up boxing recently.

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Former Heavyweight Champion, Deontay Wilder recently shared his thoughts on this fight -

https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/news/boxing/tyson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-deontay-wilder-makes-fight-prediction/a85k15wb80rp1odd2jhlbkkp7

“It's a 50-50 fight, anything can happen. People look at Fury's size as a major advantage but that doesn't necessarily mean nothing because Usyk can stay low to the ground and because Fury's so tall it's going to be difficult to reach down”

“If Usyk can get in and out real fast, I feel speed could be a major factor. For me it's 50-50 and I'm glad it's finally happening so we get all the belts in one place”

Wilder is saying it's a 50:50 fight and yet seems to provide reasons why Usyk could be at an advantage here. He couldn't seem to just set it straight, that the man who humiliated him not once, not twice, but thrice would probably defeat Usyk and that's a huge blow to his wish to become an undisputed champion himself.

How could Usyk staying low to the ground be an advantage for him? If Tyson was able to put his weight on a 6'7" opponent, would it be a lot easier for him to do that to a 6'3" fighter?

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^^ Perhaps it was due to Usyk as a natural cruiserweight in my opinion that why he thought that he has that speed against those heavyweights. He shown it twice already against Anthony Joshua as he was able to slip that left hand of his many times because he is quick.

However, if he has the speed then Fury has the height and reach advantage and he knows how to use it. So maybe Usyk can throw some and hit Fury but what if Tyson timing everything and put a good counter and caught Usyk several times in this fight. It could be a factor later in the rounds, championship rounds that can make the difference in this fight if it goes 12 rounds.

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Former Heavyweight Champion, Deontay Wilder recently shared his thoughts on this fight -

https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/news/boxing/tyson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-deontay-wilder-makes-fight-prediction/a85k15wb80rp1odd2jhlbkkp7

“It's a 50-50 fight, anything can happen. People look at Fury's size as a major advantage but that doesn't necessarily mean nothing because Usyk can stay low to the ground and because Fury's so tall it's going to be difficult to reach down”

Of course, it's 50-50 fight, anything can happen, but the odds maker think otherwise, current odds, ML Fury at 1.61, Usyk 2.22. And it's obvious that Fury will take that into consideration when training, he will look for sparring partner that is similar height with Usyk so he can gauge the distance.

Coming from Wilder (lose twice to Fury), I don't take the statement seriously as it could have some biasness, you know he had fought Fury and he was chooled many times. I'd stick with the bookmakers evaluation here, and that is based on the betting odds as it's fairer.

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“If Usyk can get in and out real fast, I feel speed could be a major factor. For me it's 50-50 and I'm glad it's finally happening so we get all the belts in one place”

I think the speed factor goes to Usyk, but Fury as well has some good movement, so it's not like a stationary target for Usyk here. He will really needs to really fast to caught Tyson flush. Yes, definitely we will see a undisputed champion in the HW division, it's hard to do it in this division and so if ever Wilder will get his chance to fight the winner, then it will be for all the belts, so it really favors him.

They are heavyweights, so the speed difference might just be a slim factor to consider, however, if we look at the height difference, I think it's a major advantage on whoever is taller and considering it was Fury who had that edge, I'm sure Fury will be able to use it wisely and win the fight.

Fury wouldn't be complacent this fight as he came from a fight he probably didn't expect would be end in a close contest.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on December 05, 2023, 04:08:23 PM

Former Heavyweight Champion, Deontay Wilder recently shared his thoughts on this fight -

https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/news/boxing/tyson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-deontay-wilder-makes-fight-prediction/a85k15wb80rp1odd2jhlbkkp7

“It's a 50-50 fight, anything can happen. People look at Fury's size as a major advantage but that doesn't necessarily mean nothing because Usyk can stay low to the ground and because Fury's so tall it's going to be difficult to reach down”

Of course, it's 50-50 fight, anything can happen, but the odds maker think otherwise, current odds, ML Fury at 1.61, Usyk 2.22. And it's obvious that Fury will take that into consideration when training, he will look for sparring partner that is similar height with Usyk so he can gauge the distance.

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“If Usyk can get in and out real fast, I feel speed could be a major factor. For me it's 50-50 and I'm glad it's finally happening so we get all the belts in one place”

I think the speed factor goes to Usyk, but Fury as well has some good movement, so it's not like a stationary target for Usyk here. He will really needs to really fast to caught Tyson flush. Yes, definitely we will see a undisputed champion in the HW division, it's hard to do it in this division and so if ever Wilder will get his chance to fight the winner, then it will be for all the belts, so it really favors him.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on December 05, 2023, 04:08:23 PM

Former Heavyweight Champion, Deontay Wilder recently shared his thoughts on this fight -

https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/news/boxing/tyson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-deontay-wilder-makes-fight-prediction/a85k15wb80rp1odd2jhlbkkp7

“It's a 50-50 fight, anything can happen. People look at Fury's size as a major advantage but that doesn't necessarily mean nothing because Usyk can stay low to the ground and because Fury's so tall it's going to be difficult to reach down”

“If Usyk can get in and out real fast, I feel speed could be a major factor. For me it's 50-50 and I'm glad it's finally happening so we get all the belts in one place”

I think we can understand where Wilder is coming from, I mean he wanted to fight Usyk before Tyson Fury can get his hands on Oleksandr, and so we can say that he is rooting for him. Also, we all know that Fury took out his soul already, so he is rooting for someone to beat Tyson as well.

Fury could really maximized his size his and take it as his major advantage just like what he did against Wilder. Putting all the weight behind him when they are in a clinch and let Usyk feel that and it could take a toll on him later in the fight.

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Former Heavyweight Champion, Deontay Wilder recently shared his thoughts on this fight -

https://www.dazn.com/en-GB/news/boxing/tyson-fury-vs-oleksandr-usyk-deontay-wilder-makes-fight-prediction/a85k15wb80rp1odd2jhlbkkp7

“It's a 50-50 fight, anything can happen. People look at Fury's size as a major advantage but that doesn't necessarily mean nothing because Usyk can stay low to the ground and because Fury's so tall it's going to be difficult to reach down”

“If Usyk can get in and out real fast, I feel speed could be a major factor. For me it's 50-50 and I'm glad it's finally happening so we get all the belts in one place”

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