[Boxing] Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Usyk - February 2024 in Saudi Arabia - page 5.

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According to Krassyuk, the contracts are already signed for December 23. So I guess somehow they can force Fury to fight next month or early next year. But there are already a lot of rumors from Fury's camp. A family member might take control of the team after the poor performance against Ngannou. There's also the possibility of retiring although he might once again return later after months or years of inactivity.

You are talking about his brother right? yeah, I also read that news that he will be taking over Fury's training as there are things that they needed to set things correct in this camp so that Tyson Fury will be ready.

And as much as Tyson said that they didn't underestimate Francis, it seems that way to be at least that's why the bad performance.

The fight is going to happen definitely, but I doubt that it will be this December 23 as Fury needs to heal before he can start his training for a Usyk fight. And I think Usyk will agree to that, as long as there are financial incentives for him and it will be taken out of the purse of Fury I guess.

Yeah, it's his brother. I forgot the name but are they going to kick out Sugar Hill Steward? Prior to the Ngannou fight, John Fury wanted Sugar Hill out as a coach. I don't understand since Sugar Hill did a great job on Fury so far except for this fight with Ngannou whom I believe Fury is slacking and underestimating. It might be something personal knowing how crazy and self-centered John is. Now I am starting to like seeing John Fury given a fight in order to fill his insecurities, we'll see how this 8 wins, 4 losses with only 1 KO does in the ring. Cheesy

Anyways, a new date for Usyk-Fury is expected in February. I am still doubtful unless it is official. I expect Fury to only fight March onwards unless Usyk threatens to file a case due to the failed December 23 date where he already made a camp in Spain. And for the second time, Usyk needs to stop his training camp since he cannot overtrain.

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News circulated about Usyk healing from his injuries and needing 14 weeks for his full training camp. And then Fury's camp said they will sue Usyk if he won't fight on December 23? And then before the Fury-Ngannou fight Usyk said that he would be ready by December 23 then. And now it is Fury's camp that does not want a December 23rd date? What a shame!

Krassyuk revealed that they actually set up a training camp in Spain. This is the second time that Fury refuses to fight Usyk upon knowing that the Ukrainian already started training. Fury just wanted to fight an injured and a less-prepared version of Usyk. Maybe they just sue Fury if he won't fight on December 23 because this might not really happen.

so it's not happening after all. so much for the heavyweight unification that we have been waiting for, they would have created the biggest fight in history but times just do not permit it. besides Fury just won $50M with Ngannou fight. the big man wouldn't worry about his life in decades.

when the article about Usyk being injured came out, it already meant nothing would happen and it's very well-timed that Fury wants to troll Ngannou that he has another fight after theirs.

Maybe Fury is worth $200 million now which is a lot but he might continue being greedy as his excuse to dodge Usyk. Fury just turned into a villain from being a hero real quick. Well, he deserved it, the fight with Usyk would've happened early this year.

According to Krassyuk, the contracts are already signed for December 23. So I guess somehow they can force Fury to fight next month or early next year. But there are already a lot of rumors from Fury's camp. A family member might take control of the team after the poor performance against Ngannou. There's also the possibility of retiring although he might once again return later after months or years of inactivity.

You are talking about his brother right? yeah, I also read that news that he will be taking over Fury's training as there are things that they needed to set things correct in this camp so that Tyson Fury will be ready.

And as much as Tyson said that they didn't underestimate Francis, it seems that way to be at least that's why the bad performance.

The fight is going to happen definitely, but I doubt that it will be this December 23 as Fury needs to heal before he can start his training for a Usyk fight. And I think Usyk will agree to that, as long as there are financial incentives for him and it will be taken out of the purse of Fury I guess.

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News circulated about Usyk healing from his injuries and needing 14 weeks for his full training camp. And then Fury's camp said they will sue Usyk if he won't fight on December 23? And then before the Fury-Ngannou fight Usyk said that he would be ready by December 23 then. And now it is Fury's camp that does not want a December 23rd date? What a shame!

Krassyuk revealed that they actually set up a training camp in Spain. This is the second time that Fury refuses to fight Usyk upon knowing that the Ukrainian already started training. Fury just wanted to fight an injured and a less-prepared version of Usyk. Maybe they just sue Fury if he won't fight on December 23 because this might not really happen.

so it's not happening after all. so much for the heavyweight unification that we have been waiting for, they would have created the biggest fight in history but times just do not permit it. besides Fury just won $50M with Ngannou fight. the big man wouldn't worry about his life in decades.

when the article about Usyk being injured came out, it already meant nothing would happen and it's very well-timed that Fury wants to troll Ngannou that he has another fight after theirs.

Maybe Fury is worth $200 million now which is a lot but he might continue being greedy as his excuse to dodge Usyk. Fury just turned into a villain from being a hero real quick. Well, he deserved it, the fight with Usyk would've happened early this year.

According to Krassyuk, the contracts are already signed for December 23. So I guess somehow they can force Fury to fight next month or early next year. But there are already a lot of rumors from Fury's camp. A family member might take control of the team after the poor performance against Ngannou. There's also the possibility of retiring although he might once again return later after months or years of inactivity.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on October 30, 2023, 12:23:01 PM

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/10/frank-warren-says-tyson-fury-needs-to-rest-until-2024-oleksandr-usyk-rematch-will-happen/

Fury’s promotor said that after a less than impressive performance by The Gypsy King, this fight is unlikely to happen in 2023. It’s far more likely that we will have to wait until 2024. It just builds the suspense I guess, this is the fight everybody wants to see, to unify the heavyweight division.

Fury has known ahead of time that Usyk would be his next opponent and that the fight would be in December. He should have prepared accordingly. Due to his lack of discipline he showed up out of shape and took unnecessary damage from Ngannou that will leave him unable to train normally for a few weeks. It will be a shame if the fight with Usyk is delayed but I also want to see both guys at their very best so the loser will have no excuses and there will be no doubt as to who is the best heavyweight in the world.

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This will be a fight for the ages and I am really looking forward to it. Lets hope it can still happen end December but both fighters (especially Fury) need to be in top shape. If that is the case, I think Fury will win the fight. He can accept big punches and can also deliver them, which makes him so dangerous.

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Fury going to the Usyk fight with what happened will dampen a little bit of his confidence, he needs to train really hard because of his performance and Usyk's performance in their last fights, Usyk performed far better than Usyk Although he gets knockdown he manages to stop Dubois.
But the fight should happen they should settle once and for all who is the undisputed champion of this era.

I just can't imagine if the fight pushed through if Fury lost his fight the fight could have been canceled, many believed that Ngannou won the fight, or it could have been a draw, but we know the boxing organization will protect their interest, the fight against Usyk must push for the boxing community's interests.

For Fury to be able to battle Usyk whenever the match is scheduled, Fury needs to put more effort into strengthening his body stamina. He should be aware that Usyk would hurt him more than he could comprehend if he were to utilize the identical strength and boxing techniques that he used to defeat Ngannou.

Usyk was present during Fury's battle with Ngannou. He watched as Fury's flaws came to light during the battle. He'll think he can defeat Fury via knockout.

For that not to happen, Fury should begin making every effort to prepare for his upcoming battle against "Usyk," (the beast of the boxing ring), as soon as possible (possibly in December).

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Quote from: notblox1 on October 31, 2023, 04:38:20 PM

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Fury’s promotor said that after a less than impressive performance by The Gypsy King, this fight is unlikely to happen in 2023. It’s far more likely that we will have to wait until 2024. It just builds the suspense I guess, this is the fight everybody wants to see, to unify the heavyweight division.

I think that main reason for delay is Tyson Fury busted head, deep cut on his forehead, and he probably have few more injuries.
Ngannou was much better and I think he surprised everyone that night, Fury was not really taking him seriously.
Oleksandr Usyk was in the arena that night and I watched his short statements, he was shocked when Ngannou knocked down Fury.
I think the odds will now be much different for Fury vs Usyk fight.

There are more injuries than what we are seeing and of course, a wounded pride I don't think Fury can take the December 23 fight and will fight to have it in January but Usyk of course will insist because Fury is more vulnerable if he fights him in this December because the wounds is not yet totally healed.

It was Fury's camp fault they underestimated Ngannou's capability in the ring, they all thought that it was going to be an easy fight now they have to find a way for the fight not to push through this December and they are hoping that Usk agreed for a January or February date.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on October 30, 2023, 12:23:01 PM

Fury’s promotor said that after a less than impressive performance by The Gypsy King, this fight is unlikely to happen in 2023. It’s far more likely that we will have to wait until 2024. It just builds the suspense I guess, this is the fight everybody wants to see, to unify the heavyweight division.

I think that main reason for delay is Tyson Fury busted head, deep cut on his forehead, and he probably have few more injuries.
Ngannou was much better and I think he surprised everyone that night, Fury was not really taking him seriously.
Oleksandr Usyk was in the arena that night and I watched his short statements, he was shocked when Ngannou knocked down Fury.
I think the odds will now be much different for Fury vs Usyk fight.

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Quote from: inthelongrun on October 31, 2023, 10:30:30 AM

News circulated about Usyk healing from his injuries and needing 14 weeks for his full training camp. And then Fury's camp said they will sue Usyk if he won't fight on December 23? And then before the Fury-Ngannou fight Usyk said that he would be ready by December 23 then. And now it is Fury's camp that does not want a December 23rd date? What a shame!

Krassyuk revealed that they actually set up a training camp in Spain. This is the second time that Fury refuses to fight Usyk upon knowing that the Ukrainian already started training. Fury just wanted to fight an injured and a less-prepared version of Usyk. Maybe they just sue Fury if he won't fight on December 23 because this might not really happen.

so it's not happening after all. so much for the heavyweight unification that we have been waiting for, they would have created the biggest fight in history but times just do not permit it. besides Fury just won $50M with Ngannou fight. the big man wouldn't worry about his life in decades.

when the article about Usyk being injured came out, it already meant nothing would happen and it's very well-timed that Fury wants to troll Ngannou that he has another fight after theirs.

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News circulated about Usyk healing from his injuries and needing 14 weeks for his full training camp. And then Fury's camp said they will sue Usyk if he won't fight on December 23? And then before the Fury-Ngannou fight Usyk said that he would be ready by December 23 then. And now it is Fury's camp that does not want a December 23rd date? What a shame!

Krassyuk revealed that they actually set up a training camp in Spain. This is the second time that Fury refuses to fight Usyk upon knowing that the Ukrainian already started training. Fury just wanted to fight an injured and a less-prepared version of Usyk. Maybe they just sue Fury if he won't fight on December 23 because this might not really happen.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on October 31, 2023, 04:31:43 AM

Fury completely underestimated his last opponent. He thought that it would be a piece of cake for professional boxer to beat MMA fighter in a boxing fight. Now, all of a sudden 2 months is not enough to recover and prepare for a fight against one of the best boxer. What a surprise. Fury has already spoiled his legacy with that split win against non boxer. Some experts say that this is the start of an end of his career. Imho, Usyk will be maximum motivated to win their fight and he will add a first loss in Fury's record.

It's obviously will put a lot of weight on Fury's career, I mean he should be winning against Francis in a easy manner. But Ngannou proved to be a good MMA/Boxer and he give Fury all he can handle and even scoring that big knock down that no one expected of him to do against the best Heavyweight boxers we have right now. It could be that Fury might be on the downside already because of this performance.

Hence, Usyk might see this weakness already and will try to exploit Fury in the mental games that they are playing. So it's better for Fury to just take a rest and fight Usyk early next year. I don't think he will recover enough till December.

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Fury completely underestimated his last opponent. He thought that it would be a piece of cake for professional boxer to beat MMA fighter in a boxing fight. Now, all of a sudden 2 months is not enough to recover and prepare for a fight against one of the best boxer. What a surprise. Fury has already spoiled his legacy with that split win against non boxer. Some experts say that this is the start of an end of his career. Imho, Usyk will be maximum motivated to win their fight and he will add a first loss in Fury's record.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on October 30, 2023, 12:23:01 PM

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/10/frank-warren-says-tyson-fury-needs-to-rest-until-2024-oleksandr-usyk-rematch-will-happen/

Fury’s promotor said that after a less than impressive performance by The Gypsy King, this fight is unlikely to happen in 2023. It’s far more likely that we will have to wait until 2024. It just builds the suspense I guess, this is the fight everybody wants to see, to unify the heavyweight division.

I think this is a good scenario for those who want Fury to be the unified heavyweight champion as the odds won't be that one-sided anymore because of that lackluster performance by the Gypsy King.

"Styles makes fight" so we can't be sure if Usyk will be cruising for a win against Fury, the latter's fight with Francis might be a trap for Usyk so he must prepare and bring his A game as this is the biggest fight of his career.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on October 30, 2023, 12:23:01 PM

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/10/frank-warren-says-tyson-fury-needs-to-rest-until-2024-oleksandr-usyk-rematch-will-happen/

Fury’s promotor said that after a less than impressive performance by The Gypsy King, this fight is unlikely to happen in 2023. It’s far more likely that we will have to wait until 2024. It just builds the suspense I guess, this is the fight everybody wants to see, to unify the heavyweight division.

Aside from that this is one of the biggest fight of the history so they need to pump up its advertisement and marketing two months of preparation for the event is too short both for the business and sports aspect of the deal. It is really wise to move the date to later date since Fury needs recuperation after his fight against Francis Ngannou, 2 months is too short for recovery and training and may affect Tyson Fury's performance.

There should be no excuse in this fight so there no need to rush things out for Fury. Let him recovers and prepare well for this fight in case Usyk win, there will be no excuse for Fury. Cheesy

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on October 30, 2023, 12:23:01 PM

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/10/frank-warren-says-tyson-fury-needs-to-rest-until-2024-oleksandr-usyk-rematch-will-happen/

Fury’s promotor said that after a less than impressive performance by The Gypsy King, this fight is unlikely to happen in 2023. It’s far more likely that we will have to wait until 2024. It just builds the suspense I guess, this is the fight everybody wants to see, to unify the heavyweight division.

It is better so that Fury does not make the excuse of saying he is just finishing a fight with Francis Ngannou, like he gave the excuse of being ring-rusty in that fight. Also knowing how important that fight is, it is good that they give both boxers enough time to prepare for the fight.

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Quote from: LFC_Bitcoin on October 30, 2023, 12:23:01 PM

https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/10/frank-warren-says-tyson-fury-needs-to-rest-until-2024-oleksandr-usyk-rematch-will-happen/

Fury’s promotor said that after a less than impressive performance by The Gypsy King, this fight is unlikely to happen in 2023. It’s far more likely that we will have to wait until 2024. It just builds the suspense I guess, this is the fight everybody wants to see, to unify the heavyweight division.

It's a wise decision, considering that this is currently the biggest fight of his career. There's no need to rush, especially when you take into account that Usyk is still in the process of healing from his injury, so he may not be at 100% yet. Postponing the fight until next year would likely benefit both fighters. Moreover, we've already witnessed an exciting bout between Fury and Ngannou recently, so people should savor the entertainment it provided before eagerly anticipating the next showdown.

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https://www.boxingnews24.com/2023/10/frank-warren-says-tyson-fury-needs-to-rest-until-2024-oleksandr-usyk-rematch-will-happen/

Fury’s promotor said that after a less than impressive performance by The Gypsy King, this fight is unlikely to happen in 2023. It’s far more likely that we will have to wait until 2024. It just builds the suspense I guess, this is the fight everybody wants to see, to unify the heavyweight division.

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Fury going to the Usyk fight with what happened will dampen a little bit of his confidence, he needs to train really hard because of his performance and Usyk's performance in their last fights, Usyk performed far better than Usyk Although he gets knockdown he manages to stop Dubois.
But the fight should happen they should settle once and for all who is the undisputed champion of this era.

I just can't imagine if the fight pushed through if Fury lost his fight the fight could have been canceled, many believed that Ngannou won the fight, or it could have been a draw, but we know the boxing organization will protect their interest, the fight against Usyk must push for the boxing community's interests.

And that's why Frank Warren suddenly is non committal on the December 26 date with Usyk. The reason according to them is that Fury will have to heal first, he had a swelling on his eye and his temple is cut by Francis power.

So now there is a sudden shift of for the Fury's camp, and it seems that they are not that confident to face Usyk. So I wouldn't be surprised if the fight is going to be pushed early next year and not December as they wanted to be because of Fury's performance against Ngannou.

In fairness to Tyson Fury, Usyk said that perhaps Tyson really underestimate Ngannou in their fight. And we really don't know if he put up in works and training for his fight as we can see, he doesn't seems to be as fit as his previous fight, with that big belly of him.

And it also cost him the fight, so I'm not surprised that they will have to change their tune for now, and let Fury physically heal from the beatings he got from Francis and then be ready for Usyk maybe June-February.

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Quote from: coin-investor on October 29, 2023, 08:29:43 AM

Fury going to the Usyk fight with what happened will dampen a little bit of his confidence, he needs to train really hard because of his performance and Usyk's performance in their last fights, Usyk performed far better than Usyk Although he gets knockdown he manages to stop Dubois.
But the fight should happen they should settle once and for all who is the undisputed champion of this era.

I just can't imagine if the fight pushed through if Fury lost his fight the fight could have been canceled, many believed that Ngannou won the fight, or it could have been a draw, but we know the boxing organization will protect their interest, the fight against Usyk must push for the boxing community's interests.

And that's why Frank Warren suddenly is non committal on the December 26 date with Usyk. The reason according to them is that Fury will have to heal first, he had a swelling on his eye and his temple is cut by Francis power.

So now there is a sudden shift of for the Fury's camp, and it seems that they are not that confident to face Usyk. So I wouldn't be surprised if the fight is going to be pushed early next year and not December as they wanted to be because of Fury's performance against Ngannou.

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Quote from: cabron on October 29, 2023, 10:38:32 AM

Quote from: coin-investor on October 29, 2023, 08:29:43 AM

Fury going to the Usyk fight with what happened will dampen a little bit of his confidence, he needs to train really hard because of his performance and Usyk's performance in their last fights, Usyk performed far better than Usyk Although he gets knockdown he manages to stop Dubois.
But the fight should happen they should settle once and for all who is the undisputed champion of this era.

I just can't imagine if the fight pushed through if Fury lost his fight the fight could have been canceled, many believed that Ngannou won the fight, or it could have been a draw, but we know the boxing organization will protect their interest, the fight against Usyk must push for the boxing community's interests.

This fight seems done deal. This could have been one of the reasons the organization decided to pick Fury as the winner. If it was Francis, Usyk vs Fury might not push through.

The unification of their belts is still set to happen, with Fury's fight against Francis being a non-title bout. However, this match will undoubtedly have a significant impact on Fury's confidence as he prepares to face Usyk, whereas Usyk's confidence is likely to grow. If Francis were to win, it wouldn't bode well for the boxing narrative, which is why many speculate that Fury was the preferred winner. I've heard numerous speculations to that effect, with some suggesting that Francis was unfairly judged, but, in the end, the outcome is what it is.

Quote from: cabron on October 29, 2023, 10:38:32 AM

There could be a delay since Fury has a cut on his forehead. Early next year probably and it will be huge money again for Fury regardless of the outcome.

Can't imagine the frustration of the people who bet for Ngannou to win, they must have been expecting a big win until the decision came. Ngannou 8.20 won would be a treat.

In the later rounds of the fight, Francis's odds dropped to +100. Was this a sign that he'll win? Yes, it was, because right from the beginning, Francis had already instilled hope in his supporters. Despite occasionally being struck by Fury's counters and jabs, he managed to hang in there.

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