Brasileirão 2022 - Brazilian Championship Serie A - page 28.

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Quote from: alegotardo on April 24, 2022, 05:44:28 PM

I almost agree with you....

The problem with this type of classification is that often the champions of a season are already known with 5 games or more left to the end of the championship, which takes out the enthusiasm of the games.

There are people who say that even halfway through the championship is a decisive factor to know who has a chance to win and who should be relegated.
I think a mixed system of scoring between groups followed by elimination (similar to the world cup of Fifa) is more interesting.

Great observation @alegotardo... this also works for the teams that are in the last places and we already know that he will be relegated to the B series of the championship!

I believe that a change in the procedures of the Brasileirão would be valid!

I think a championship similar to the world cup is interesting... the first games are classified, and in the others, it would be a straight match, if you lose the game you will be out of the championship!

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Quote from: gagux123 on April 24, 2022, 04:37:09 PM

As the Brazilian championship is for consecutive points, I believe that there are no extremely competitive games like in a "mata-mata" tournament. (I don't know how to write this kind of competition)

At the end of the year, the games become more competitive, because, with the end of the championship, several teams need to win their games to avoid being relegated or also to be the champion or, to qualify for the Libertadores championship.

I almost agree with you....

The problem with this type of classification is that often the champions of a season are already known with 5 games or more left to the end of the championship, which takes out the enthusiasm of the games.

There are people who say that even halfway through the championship is a decisive factor to know who has a chance to win and who should be relegated.
I think a mixed system of scoring between groups followed by elimination (similar to the world cup of Fifa) is more interesting.

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As the Brazilian championship is for consecutive points, I believe that there are no extremely competitive games like in a "mata-mata" tournament. (I don't know how to write this kind of competition)

At the end of the year, the games become more competitive, because, with the end of the championship, several teams need to win their games to avoid being relegated or also to be the champion or, to qualify for the Libertadores championship.

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Quote from: joker_josue on April 19, 2022, 02:45:31 PM

But then what will be the games of the next journey?

Any game in particular that deserves to be highlighted?

And what are your predictions for this journey?

I think some of the next games for this saturday are pretty predictable.

We have São Paulo against Bragantino, Atlético-MG against Coritiba and Flamengo against Athletico-PR. São Paulo, Atlético-MG and Flamengo are likely to win.

Between Corinthians and Palmeiras it's hard to say, but the lack of good performance from Palmeiras in the previous games and the lack of an efficient attack configuration right now, puts Corinthians into a more confortable position, as their strategy is working perfectly, since the beginning of the season.

Fluminense vs. Internacional, Juventude vs. Cuiabá and Avaí vs. Goiás look balanced games.

Moreover there are Santos and Botafogo, which show inconsistent results, but are able to surprise now and then. I believe they can win against their opponents, América-MG and Atlético-GO, respectively.

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For now, only Corinthians and Atlético-MG are maintaining their unbeaten record, honestly I expected at least 5 teams in this situation at this point in the championship.
How long will they be able to maintain this invincibility?
Corinthians plays against Palmeiras and Atlético-MG faces Coritiba, both games take place tomorrow?

I believe that booth should maintain their unbeaten record, but only Corinthians continues to win 3 more points in the table.

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on April 20, 2022, 04:29:04 PM

starting in 1h: Flamengo x Palmeiras

This is going to be a great game! With two great teams, with two good Portuguese coaches.
Maybe I'll see a little bit of this game today, maybe the first part. Roll Eyes

Who do you think will win?
I see a great possibility of a tie, but this is unlikely. I would say that Palmeiras has a small advantage, because the team has been together longer. On the other hand, Palmeiras has had a lot of games in a row, and that can be less positive.

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Quote from: joker_josue on April 19, 2022, 02:45:31 PM

But then what will be the games of the next journey?

Any game in particular that deserves to be highlighted?

And what are your predictions for this journey?

good questions so I went to research

if you throw this simple phrase at google it has a widget with next games

https://www.google.com/search?q=pr%C3%B3ximos+jogos+brasileir%C3%A3o+2022

starting in 1h: Flamengo x Palmeiras
this saturday there's Palmeiras x Corinthians which is a classic.
and also on saturday Bragantino x São Paulo

if you click to expand the widget it shows results of past games as well

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But then what will be the games of the next journey?

Any game in particular that deserves to be highlighted?

And what are your predictions for this journey?

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Quote from: gagux123 on April 18, 2022, 04:47:47 PM

Quote from: joker_josue on April 18, 2022, 02:01:31 AM

I realized this weekend that the Brasileirão had already started, because while zapping on TV, I saw a channel playing a game. I don't know if I'll be able to go camping every game, because the hours of games in Portugal are not the most favorable. But maybe, as the most anticipated games are announced here, I can try to see something.

I have no idea who might win, but I have the precession that this year there will be more clubs competing for the title than last year.

wow, I understand... Well, I confess that in most soccer championships they start with a little bit expectation, but during the last games or in the last months of the championship it tends to get more competitive, because several teams fight each other not to be relegated and others fight for which will be the champion

yes! there's also these iconic games from teams with big rivalry like the classic Corinthians X São Paulo or Fla x Flu
so crazy how people in Brazil fall in love completely for a sport

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Quote from: joker_josue on April 18, 2022, 02:01:31 AM

I realized this weekend that the Brasileirão had already started, because while zapping on TV, I saw a channel playing a game. I don't know if I'll be able to go camping every game, because the hours of games in Portugal are not the most favorable. But maybe, as the most anticipated games are announced here, I can try to see something.

I have no idea who might win, but I have the precession that this year there will be more clubs competing for the title than last year.

wow, I understand... Well, I confess that in most soccer championships they start with a little bit expectation, but during the last games or in the last months of the championship it tends to get more competitive, because several teams fight each other not to be relegated and others fight for which will be the champion

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on April 18, 2022, 09:25:53 AM

you can probably find a replay of the games online, but totally agree that watching it live is way cooler and there's more emotions this way than when you already know what the results will be...

It is very rare to watch a football match without being live. By the way, I usually just watch some sport live, whether it's football or another.
That doesn't mean you can't watch for a few minutes, and if you're interested, stay longer. But it's rare.

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Quote from: joker_josue on April 18, 2022, 02:01:31 AM

Quote from: gagux123 on April 18, 2022, 01:43:13 AM

Well, as we can see, the Brasileirão has already started and we had some relevant and interesting games to watch.

Anyone else watching these games too? What did you think of this beginning of the season?
In your opinion guys... wich team will be the champion in this year!!? Any predictions?

I realized this weekend that the Brasileirão had already started, because while zapping on TV, I saw a channel playing a game. I don't know if I'll be able to go camping every game, because the hours of games in Portugal are not the most favorable. But maybe, as the most anticipated games are announced here, I can try to see something.

I have no idea who might win, but I have the precession that this year there will be more clubs competing for the title than last year.

you can probably find a replay of the games online, but totally agree that watching it live is way cooler and there's more emotions this way than when you already know what the results will be...

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Quote from: gagux123 on April 18, 2022, 01:43:13 AM

Well, as we can see, the Brasileirão has already started and we had some relevant and interesting games to watch.

Anyone else watching these games too? What did you think of this beginning of the season?
In your opinion guys... wich team will be the champion in this year!!? Any predictions?

I realized this weekend that the Brasileirão had already started, because while zapping on TV, I saw a channel playing a game. I don't know if I'll be able to go camping every game, because the hours of games in Portugal are not the most favorable. But maybe, as the most anticipated games are announced here, I can try to see something.

I have no idea who might win, but I have the precession that this year there will be more clubs competing for the title than last year.

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Well, as we can see, the Brasileirão has already started and we had some relevant and interesting games to watch.

Anyone else watching these games too? What did you think of this beginning of the season?
In your opinion guys... wich team will be the champion in this year!!? Any predictions?

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on April 09, 2022, 09:16:49 AM

yes, I went to search it because I'm not that much into sports so didn't even know about it.
And is it right to think that if there are 4 teams going down there are also 4 coming up from series B to A?

Yeap, between the series A, B, C and D of the Brazilian championship, there are always 4 teams being relegated and 4 being promoted between them.

Currently only 4 teams have never been relegated from the A series... Flamengo, Fluminense, São Paulo and Santos.

Among the teams that most felt the heartbreak of being relegated from Serie A are:América-MG, Coritiba, Goiás, Sport and Vitória with 6 relegations each.

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Quote from: joker_josue on April 08, 2022, 06:16:49 PM

Quote from: Lucasgabd on April 08, 2022, 04:34:50 PM

but following this idea, do you think it's easier for series A teams remain on top and never fall for series B?

in a fast google search I just read that last time 4 teams fell from series A to B (not sure if its like that all the time)
from 128 teams in total this is only 3.125%

But this is also normal! There are few places to get off.

Normally there are only 2 or 3 places to drop down from a division (at least in the European championships it is like that). There are usually about 4 or 5 clubs, which you have forecasts to go down, but only two go down, so there's always a good chance you won't go down. Therefore, a club that rises, as long as it can guarantee to stay in these places, will make it to get another season in the top division.

yes, I went to search it because I'm not that much into sports so didn't even know about it.
And is it right to think that if there are 4 teams going down there are also 4 coming up from series B to A?

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Quote from: Lucasgabd on April 08, 2022, 04:34:50 PM

but following this idea, do you think it's easier for series A teams remain on top and never fall for series B?

in a fast google search I just read that last time 4 teams fell from series A to B (not sure if its like that all the time)
from 128 teams in total this is only 3.125%

But this is also normal! There are few places to get off.

Normally there are only 2 or 3 places to drop down from a division (at least in the European championships it is like that). There are usually about 4 or 5 clubs, which you have forecasts to go down, but only two go down, so there's always a good chance you won't go down. Therefore, a club that rises, as long as it can guarantee to stay in these places, will make it to get another season in the top division.

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Quote from: gagux123 on April 04, 2022, 12:54:46 AM

Quote from: joker_josue on April 02, 2022, 02:02:48 AM

But that won't solve the small club's problem - lack of money.
It is true that being in "Serie A" will bring more money, but it will also have more expenses, as in longer trips.
This in turn would lower the competitive levels of "series A", which could further solidify the big clubs.

I had a colleague, who played for the amateur club, in the lower division. When we talked about what their goal was for the season, he replied that it was second. I asked why. The answer was that if they get first, they will go up in division and that will increase expenses that would cost the club more money, which would no longer be viable.

I also agree with what @alegotardo said, this is relative!!

When a team from series C or series B can move up in category/level, consequently they will get several sponsors and financial help for the team.
But to maintain this consistency in a series A, for example, the team needs to stand out, evolve and especially have a good board of director to help the team

on point!
it can turn into a positive feedback loop

but following this idea, do you think it's easier for series A teams remain on top and never fall for series B?

in a fast google search I just read that last time 4 teams fell from series A to B (not sure if its like that all the time)
from 128 teams in total this is only 3.125%

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Quote from: joker_josue on April 02, 2022, 02:02:48 AM

But that won't solve the small club's problem - lack of money.
It is true that being in "Serie A" will bring more money, but it will also have more expenses, as in longer trips.
This in turn would lower the competitive levels of "series A", which could further solidify the big clubs.

I had a colleague, who played for the amateur club, in the lower division. When we talked about what their goal was for the season, he replied that it was second. I asked why. The answer was that if they get first, they will go up in division and that will increase expenses that would cost the club more money, which would no longer be viable.

I also agree with what @alegotardo said, this is relative!!

When a team from series C or series B can move up in category/level, consequently they will get several sponsors and financial help for the team.
But to maintain this consistency in a series A, for example, the team needs to stand out, evolve and especially have a good board of director to help the team

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Quote from: joker_josue on April 02, 2022, 02:02:48 AM

I had a colleague, who played for the amateur club, in the lower division. When we talked about what their goal was for the season, he replied that it was second. I asked why. The answer was that if they get first, they will go up in division and that will increase expenses that would cost the club more money, which would no longer be viable.

I think it depends....
A Serie A club is more prominent in the media and consequently gets more support from sponsors.

Of course, this demands a strong and organized board, so if a team that is poorly prepared for the mainly category football of a country has the technical ability to get there, it will surely quickly drop to the second division again.

Not only good technical preparation survives good teams, organization is and the preparation of the board is also fundamental.

In Brazil, it's this lack of competence that has already made many good teams in the first division fall, despite having excellent players.

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