Topic: BTC-e hacked ?? - page 57. (Read 199718 times)

Why hasn't this dude been kicked out of here yet?

He continues to talk about (using) regulated exchanges but he still stays here and enjoys the freedom of posting at what could be (loosely) considered as the "hornet nest" of non-regulation. In some other "regulated" place he would be quickly banned and kicked out if he kept on saying something as defiant to the local policy or "ideology". Regarding regulators closing down unregulated exchanges, if the regulators do toward others whatever they might think appropriate, they should fully expect the same policy of lawlessness being used against them eventually. In practice, that would most certainly mean the emergence of solutions (like decentralized exchanges) against which their tactics would be utterly useless and futile

you are just a childish libertarian...and nothing more. what can I say? stop drinking too much , stop smoking weed daily and stop making 69 with your boyfriend(at least a while). your brain is affected

just ignore the statist fuck and move on

You still haven't acknowledged what happened with BTC-e was NOT an unregulated exchange scamming it's users, yet you're trying to make it seem that way to push your "all exchanges should be regulated" propaganda. Comes off incredibly insincere. But it's obvious you have an agenda and will do anything to draw attention away from the fact the only one doing any stealing are self-declared "regulators" who are nothing but a mafia wanting a cut. And you support this!

Not expecting an honest response here but I gotta call it like it is.

I guess, you are a cypherpunk, right? I respect your choice.  

IMO, a person who have hard-earned money, won't play it with an anonymous exchanger just because their API is better than a regulated one.

Also, a person who have "hard-earned money", won't trade at all.  Yes, there are naive(sheep) people who used BTC-e but they have no excuse if they lost big amounts. It's simple to make a due diligence these days. If you are ignorant, you pay. It's plain simple

You don't have to be a "bootlicker" to see straight(the things as they are). We live in a world where there are rules, laws, etc. You have the freedom to chose if you want to live in this society or to retreat in the forest, living like a saint  It's a choice.

If you choose you to be a financial "trader", then you have to comply with the society laws(financial laws in this case).  Yes, the laws are far to be perfect but they protect you from time to time. The future belongs to the regulated exchanger. you like it or not, that's it.  

Don't forget that few exchangers invested a lot of time and money(see Bitstamp and Coinbase) to in good standing. are they stupid? NO !  they started like BTC-e, without any license, etc  but they realized that they won't have any future without this financial license.

it's obvious that you know almost nothing about finance, laws and that's why I will stop here, cypherpunk.

Perhaps the US intention is to frighten people away from using crypto.
Of course it could be just corruption. eg. when the two DEA agents stole coins from the Silk Road seizure.
https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2016/08/stealing-bitcoins-with-badges-how-silk-roads-dirty-cops-got-caught/

Maybe some other US agents are looking to try the same caper.

In the Star Wars analogy, I agree. If only it were so simple! The fact of the matter is, by targeting the owners with criminal charges, the US authorities have made it much more likely that the owners will disappear with no attempt at relaunching or refunding customers. Any effort they make to repay customers puts them at greater risk. That makes our odds pretty bad.

I think your analysis is logical 

It's not unlike the Imperial Storm Troopers in Star Wars inflicting their tyranny on others.
The Cyberpunks are the Rebels.
BTC-e is a Rebel base.

Seems like a chicken-and-egg problem. The US government creates the law and is largely free to enforce it as they please across the world. So in that sense, yes: any exchange that serves US customers without holding MSB licenses and complying with AML law can cause customer funds to be lost. The morality of this is a whole different issue.


There are two opposing camps that are diverging further and further apart. The cypherpunks who want to create a decentralized world have no interest in complying with government thugs. Others, like our friend above, are bootlickers, and enjoy seeing law enforcement rob people of their hard-earned money.

Your logic is terrible and should probably just leave. Funds were not lost due to "unregulated" BTC-e, they were lost BECAUSE of regulators.

In no way is what happened to BTC-e an argument FOR regulation and anyone with a genuine opinion (not agenda-driven fud) knows that.

yes, keep using shit(unregulated) exchangers and the history will repeat. you will lose the funds. 

What you are describing is the US sliding into Tyranny, look at the Stasi style law enforcement ignoring international boundaries, and you can see the 1930's all over again. "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it".

this is exactly what the poster above meant by "schadenfreude." you spend your time and energy repeating ad nauseam that everyone here is stupid and deserving of their misfortunes. and you admit that this brings a smile to your face.

maybe those who lose money to exchange takedowns and exit scams do deserve their misfortunes. but what good does it bring you---or anyone else---to waste away your life taking pleasure from this? why not go do something productive with your life? that's what traders on btc-e were doing, and now these traders need to rebuild. can't you find something better to do?

Official statement? That is your hope right now?
The official statement that claims ...

25 июля 11:00 в дaтa-цeнтp, в кoтopoм былo paзмeщeнo нaшe cepвepнoe oбopyдoвaниe пpишли coтpyдники ФБP и изъяли вce oбopyдoвaниe, нa cepвepax нaxoдилиcь бaзы дaнныx и кoшeльки нaшeгo cepвиca.

1.   Mы cмoгли пoлyчить дocтyп к нaшим бaзaм дaнныx и кoшeлькaм, нa дaнный мoмeнт мы пpoвoдим oцeнкy дaнныx и бaлaнcoв пo кoинaм, этa инфopмaция бyдeт oбнapoдoвaнa дo кoнцa cлeдyющeй нeдeли.

No, I don't trust a word of people who contradict themselves in barely 10 lines of text.

What do you mean, no proof, no reason, nothing? So you mean the official statements of btce, which we trusted for 6 years, mean nothing? Are you fucking serious?

You understand that we are over this stage already? They did not go silent, you noticed that, right? So, the idea of "btce is stealing the same way like the FBI, then go silent and hide" can be dismissed already.

What is going to happen at the end of the month?

People who enjoy laughing at the loses are indeed bad but giving hope with no proof no reason nothing is just as bad in my opinion.
So, what will happen, what have they and how have they proven they are not pieces of ... let's say junk as I would have used another word.

for now

the empire is faltering, we are entering a period fraught with danger...and opportunity

You don't expect btc-e to go back, it is too much damage. No one exchanges is not come back after situations like this.
good things is they say that have database with wallets and accounts, i hope they will get back coins to customers.

I don't quite understand your point

Do you mean to say that we won't be able to send these coins to an exchange (say, to Bitfinex) since they will be sort of tainted? It might make some sense in respect to "regulated" exchanges like Poloniex, though that would mean that the FBI will be giving them the lists of black-listed wallets the coins from which should get confiscated at the earliest opportunity. But what about other exchanges which themselves might be in the crosshair of the FBI? What about mixing these coins via independent and reliable mixers?