Yesterday's action was amazing, I wish we saw players like that more often.
Damn, 834BTC investor profit in one day
Crazy. Pretty happy to be invested in the bankroll right now
Topic: bustabit – The original crash game - page 100. (Read 61394 times)
Damn, 834BTC investor profit in one day
Crazy. Pretty happy to be invested in the bankroll right now
Yesterday's action was amazing, I wish we saw players like that more often.
And now find myself having gone from way over worked, to way underworked. 
Fucking story of my life my friend... story of my life!
Yeah, I'm the guy who bought bustabit in the early days. Back then it was called "MoneyPot". After adding provably fair, it really started to take off and at the same time I was building a new gambling product (bankroll-as-a-service) called "vault". Since I couldn't come up with a good domain for "vault", I rebranded "moneypot" as "bustabit" and then I launched "vault" as moneypot.
Then I found myself a bit burnt out with too much work, and sold moneypot.com and then once I more or less finished the "bustabit v2" rewrite, I sold the entire project to Daniel (devans) who was the one who launched bustabit v2 (at the start of this year) and has been doing a great job running it ever since.
And now find myself having gone from way over worked, to way underworked.
Then I found myself a bit burnt out with too much work, and sold moneypot.com and then once I more or less finished the "bustabit v2" rewrite, I sold the entire project to Daniel (devans) who was the one who launched bustabit v2 (at the start of this year) and has been doing a great job running it ever since.
And now find myself having gone from way over worked, to way underworked.
Ryan, Are you the same guy that owned MoneyPot way back in the day when it had a "Bad Character" attempt to extort it pretty heavily... which resulted in the website sell the following week? (I'm just trying to match faces... I seem to vaguely remember that.)
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devans=Daniel?
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devans=Daniel?
It's based on an old version of bustabit v1
MoneyPot was "Bustabit v1" as I recall?
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Is FuzzyHobbit not y'all? The code we used from Fuzzy was REALLY bad and buggy... it took a lot of work making it even remotely "right."
It's based on an old version of bustabit v1, but it's just some random person who made his code opensource to comply with the AGPLv3. The version by kungfuant is also not "official" but it's a pretty close to the last public fork of bustabit v1. kungfuant is the guy who originally made shiba, so he's pretty trustworthy.
Originally there was an official open source bustabit (v1), but I was the one who stopped publishing publicly. At the time the site was getting spammed / DDoSd pretty heavily (funnily enough by some scam site on bitcointalk I called out, and they wanted retribution) and I was putting in lots of little-hacks to prevent the abuse (e.g. specific to the attacks they were doing). However because the repository was fully open, they were actually seeing my mitigations in real-time and working around them. I had planned on re-opening the repository once I converted the hacks into reliable code -- but I never did so.
The reason bustabit was allowed to go "closed source" but no one else is, is because bustabit fully owns all copyright to the source and just published a AGPv3 version. All contributions that bustabit integrated were required to assign copyright to bustabit. (This is known as "dual licensing"). And it's the same reason that bustabit is allowed to sell people non-AGPLv3 encumbered versions of the code.
Also FWIW, the current version of bustabit (v2) is actually a ground-up rewrite that has zero shared history (it's not even written in the same language). It was a kind of a "let's take all the lessons learnt from running a successful casino and build a kick ass product with that in mind" with huge emphasis on things like security while bustabit v1 was very much hacked-together with the primary goal of getting to market and seeing how people like it. For reference, I think bustabit v1 took ~3 months from idea phase till it was hitting production. While I think bustabit v2 took >1.5 years from the first line of code until it was ready. But Daniel is now the exclusive owner of all that stuff, so only he can decide if he wants to release it / license it or what not.
I just wanted to poke my head in here and say two things.
1. That Dean is utterly deceitful and dishonest in my opinion and experience.
2. My website, FreeBitcoins.com, is using the source code from https://github.com/FuzzyHobbit/bustabit-gameserver/blob/master/license.txt under the license http://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.html. After discussing with Deb and Dooglus (they aren't involved with FreeBitcoins, I was just blabbering with Deb and Deb was blabbering with Doog)... it seems we have to open source our stuff as well to comply with this license. We are going to open source to adhere to the agreement. If I'm missing anything, please let me know. We'll do just about anything not to be a "Dean."
I haven't even made a Bitcointalk thread yet for our little gay rocket game, but I'll make sure that we open source the site before I make a thread. (Clarification Edit: We do have a thread for investment stuff, but not like an "official thread.")
Thank you very much!
1. That Dean is utterly deceitful and dishonest in my opinion and experience.
2. My website, FreeBitcoins.com, is using the source code from https://github.com/FuzzyHobbit/bustabit-gameserver/blob/master/license.txt under the license http://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.html. After discussing with Deb and Dooglus (they aren't involved with FreeBitcoins, I was just blabbering with Deb and Deb was blabbering with Doog)... it seems we have to open source our stuff as well to comply with this license. We are going to open source to adhere to the agreement. If I'm missing anything, please let me know. We'll do just about anything not to be a "Dean."
I haven't even made a Bitcointalk thread yet for our little gay rocket game, but I'll make sure that we open source the site before I make a thread. (Clarification Edit: We do have a thread for investment stuff, but not like an "official thread.")
Thank you very much!
What a wonderful constructive post.
I am so happy to read your post which not only states (rightly so) that Dean and betking are scammers but also states that you would "not do a Dean".
It is posts and conducts such as these that make my belief in crypto steady when there so many scams galore all over the place.
Thank you
FuzzyHobbit went through the effort of obfuscating the commit history
Is FuzzyHobbit not y'all? The code we used from Fuzzy was REALLY bad and buggy... it took a lot of work making it even remotely "right."
I'm also a bit confused why the current BustaBit website isn't under the same license if it's all based on this OS stuff? Seems like to me if the rules of the lic applies to one, then they should apply for all? Excuse me for being a noob in regards to this, but I'm learning. <3
Yeah, that's basically it. You can find a decent human-readable overview of what the AGPLv3 entails here, with the TL;DR being that in order to use the code you need to make it and your changes available under the same license. In practice the easiest way to do it is to keep your code in a public GitHub repo or something like that and link to it on your site.
I strongly recommend using the source code hosted at https://github.com/kungfuant, though. FuzzyHobbit went through the effort of obfuscating the commit history, so it's hard to tell whether any potentially malicious changes were made to the code. The kungfuant repos are also a bit more up-to-date.
I strongly recommend using the source code hosted at https://github.com/kungfuant, though. FuzzyHobbit went through the effort of obfuscating the commit history, so it's hard to tell whether any potentially malicious changes were made to the code. The kungfuant repos are also a bit more up-to-date.
I just wanted to poke my head in here and say two things.
1. That Dean is utterly deceitful and dishonest in my opinion and experience.
2. My website, FreeBitcoins.com, is using the source code from https://github.com/FuzzyHobbit/bustabit-gameserver/blob/master/license.txt under the license http://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.html. After discussing with Deb and Dooglus (they aren't involved with FreeBitcoins, I was just blabbering with Deb and Deb was blabbering with Doog)... it seems we have to open source our stuff as well to comply with this license. We are going to open source to adhere to the agreement. If I'm missing anything, please let me know. We'll do just about anything not to be a "Dean."
I haven't even made a Bitcointalk thread yet for our little gay rocket game, but I'll make sure that we open source the site before I make a thread. (Clarification Edit: We do have a thread for investment stuff, but not like an "official thread.")
Thank you very much!
1. That Dean is utterly deceitful and dishonest in my opinion and experience.
2. My website, FreeBitcoins.com, is using the source code from https://github.com/FuzzyHobbit/bustabit-gameserver/blob/master/license.txt under the license http://www.gnu.org/licenses/agpl-3.0.html. After discussing with Deb and Dooglus (they aren't involved with FreeBitcoins, I was just blabbering with Deb and Deb was blabbering with Doog)... it seems we have to open source our stuff as well to comply with this license. We are going to open source to adhere to the agreement. If I'm missing anything, please let me know. We'll do just about anything not to be a "Dean."
I haven't even made a Bitcointalk thread yet for our little gay rocket game, but I'll make sure that we open source the site before I make a thread. (Clarification Edit: We do have a thread for investment stuff, but not like an "official thread.")
Thank you very much!
ive been battling dean for years now, the guy is trustworthy holding people's money but beyond that is a terrible businessman, irrational, thin-skinned, and cheap. what he did ripping off the crash game and not paying daniel the 2 btc is so scummy. i tried my best to expose him at the time he did his last ICO but unfortunately he was able to effectively steal all that bitcoin from uninformed investors.
The manner in which Dean Nolan the scammer lied in the betking ICO whitepaper to get mostly newbies and gullible investors to part with their crypto was not good. Still he was getting backed up by several members that was until of he was beginning to exposed by several of us.
Dean Nolan the scammer should have paid the 2 BTC licence fee. Now whatever was left of his reputation is in tatters. Many of us tried to warn investors about him but probably none of us thought Dean Nolan was going to scam fellow colleagues from the gaming/gambling community.
It seems like the dilution fee is 2% now instead of 1%. I think it's a good idea considering the bankroll is already big enough for the max profit that players usually target.
I'm quite surprised.
There was a time I had a certain amount of respect towards Dean but we're way past those times. I have no idea what reason Dean even has to be dishonest about anything like this. Especially if it all boils down to just 2 BTC.
This is absolutely ridiculous of you to drag me into this. I neither said nor implied any such thing. I would normally be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest maybe you misunderstood me, but we only spoke about it after you launched with pirated software.
But I do encourage you to share anything I said that might have given you a different impression. Just make sure you include enough context, like how you first started off with "we didn't just copy it but used reference" before then later admitting you were using a minified verbatim copy of bustabit (even including some pointless bustabit debug lines) both on the client and server, and asked about known problems or exploits in the specific version you're running. So there goes the "accidental infringement" defence. Ooops.
But reviewing our conversation, my advice was to follow the terms of the AGPLv3 version (releasing modified source code) and save you paying the small licensing fee. So please don't act like you were led astray (and not to mention: I'm not a lawyer or have any rights to the source code you're using) so my opinion is rather irrelevant anyway.
That's obviously nonsense. Let's not pretend you reimplemented the entire thing in a couple days. It's exactly the same and has literally exactly the same rendering quirks and bugs that it did before. I can see you made a few obvious changes (stripped the debug lines, changed
In my opinion you're being far too reasonable regarding this if this all is true. Simply paying the 2 BTC shouldn't cut it, lol.
There was a time I had a certain amount of respect towards Dean but we're way past those times. I have no idea what reason Dean even has to be dishonest about anything like this. Especially if it all boils down to just 2 BTC.
You know we were under the opinion, wrongly, that we were able to use that code after discussing it with RHavar.
This is absolutely ridiculous of you to drag me into this. I neither said nor implied any such thing. I would normally be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest maybe you misunderstood me, but we only spoke about it after you launched with pirated software.
But I do encourage you to share anything I said that might have given you a different impression. Just make sure you include enough context, like how you first started off with "we didn't just copy it but used reference" before then later admitting you were using a minified verbatim copy of bustabit (even including some pointless bustabit debug lines) both on the client and server, and asked about known problems or exploits in the specific version you're running. So there goes the "accidental infringement" defence. Ooops.
But reviewing our conversation, my advice was to follow the terms of the AGPLv3 version (releasing modified source code) and save you paying the small licensing fee. So please don't act like you were led astray (and not to mention: I'm not a lawyer or have any rights to the source code you're using) so my opinion is rather irrelevant anyway.
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There is not any Bustabit code in the relaunched version and we even use different libraries for graphing.
That's obviously nonsense. Let's not pretend you reimplemented the entire thing in a couple days. It's exactly the same and has literally exactly the same rendering quirks and bugs that it did before. I can see you made a few obvious changes (stripped the debug lines, changed
In my opinion you're being far too reasonable regarding this if this all is true. Simply paying the 2 BTC shouldn't cut it, lol.
That scammer Dean Nolan from betking has been exposed yet again.
All his other lies and scams were swept under the carpet by positive posts but now it is impossible for the scammer Dean Nolan to save his "reputation" or his trashy betking website.
He has avoided paying just 2 BTC for blatantly stolen software yet he claimed he gave away 25 Bitcoin to charities in December 2017 from 1st December to 25th December at 1 BTC a day as a gesture of kindness (and of-course paying for news and press releases advertising and promoting the non-existent endeavour) but never "proved" which charities he allegedly donated to yet milked all the attention.
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That image is just one of many alt-accounts Dean Nolan uses for betking because of the negative Trust the scammer keeps using new alt-names from time to time
ive been battling dean for years now, the guy is trustworthy holding people's money but beyond that is a terrible businessman, irrational, thin-skinned, and cheap. what he did ripping off the crash game and not paying daniel the 2 btc is so scummy. i tried my best to expose him at the time he did his last ICO but unfortunately he was able to effectively steal all that bitcoin from uninformed investors.
I'm quite surprised.
There was a time I had a certain amount of respect towards Dean but we're way past those times. I have no idea what reason Dean even has to be dishonest about anything like this. Especially if it all boils down to just 2 BTC.
This is absolutely ridiculous of you to drag me into this. I neither said nor implied any such thing. I would normally be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest maybe you misunderstood me, but we only spoke about it after you launched with pirated software.
But I do encourage you to share anything I said that might have given you a different impression. Just make sure you include enough context, like how you first started off with "we didn't just copy it but used reference" before then later admitting you were using a minified verbatim copy of bustabit (even including some pointless bustabit debug lines) both on the client and server, and asked about known problems or exploits in the specific version you're running. So there goes the "accidental infringement" defence. Ooops.
But reviewing our conversation, my advice was to follow the terms of the AGPLv3 version (releasing modified source code) and save you paying the small licensing fee. So please don't act like you were led astray (and not to mention: I'm not a lawyer or have any rights to the source code you're using) so my opinion is rather irrelevant anyway.
That's obviously nonsense. Let's not pretend you reimplemented the entire thing in a couple days. It's exactly the same and has literally exactly the same rendering quirks and bugs that it did before. I can see you made a few obvious changes (stripped the debug lines, changed
In my opinion you're being far too reasonable regarding this if this all is true. Simply paying the 2 BTC shouldn't cut it, lol.
There was a time I had a certain amount of respect towards Dean but we're way past those times. I have no idea what reason Dean even has to be dishonest about anything like this. Especially if it all boils down to just 2 BTC.
You know we were under the opinion, wrongly, that we were able to use that code after discussing it with RHavar.
This is absolutely ridiculous of you to drag me into this. I neither said nor implied any such thing. I would normally be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest maybe you misunderstood me, but we only spoke about it after you launched with pirated software.
But I do encourage you to share anything I said that might have given you a different impression. Just make sure you include enough context, like how you first started off with "we didn't just copy it but used reference" before then later admitting you were using a minified verbatim copy of bustabit (even including some pointless bustabit debug lines) both on the client and server, and asked about known problems or exploits in the specific version you're running. So there goes the "accidental infringement" defence. Ooops.
But reviewing our conversation, my advice was to follow the terms of the AGPLv3 version (releasing modified source code) and save you paying the small licensing fee. So please don't act like you were led astray (and not to mention: I'm not a lawyer or have any rights to the source code you're using) so my opinion is rather irrelevant anyway.
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There is not any Bustabit code in the relaunched version and we even use different libraries for graphing.
That's obviously nonsense. Let's not pretend you reimplemented the entire thing in a couple days. It's exactly the same and has literally exactly the same rendering quirks and bugs that it did before. I can see you made a few obvious changes (stripped the debug lines, changed
In my opinion you're being far too reasonable regarding this if this all is true. Simply paying the 2 BTC shouldn't cut it, lol.
I know Daniel said he's too busy to care, but I don't think what you're doing is fair. I intend on leaving negative trust, and petitioning the Crypto Gambling Foundation to revoke your membership, unless you can do the right thing and pay what is owed (and ideally provide a proof-of-solvency to show you are in the position to complete the terms of the buy-back program that your ICO tokens require).
RHavar is one of the most reasonable people I've met in this entire community. He's been very helpful on a variety of issues and has always offered assistance without expecting anything in return which is why I consider him a friend. I'm not sure why there was such an attempt to effectively cheat one of the most respected operations in this scene out of 2BTC. And then instead of just apologizing and making it right, there have just been denials and cover-ups. I haven't seen an honest apology, I have to stick up for RHavar here given what I've seen the past week on this forum and privately.
There was no attempt to cheat anyone.
I'm not getting caught up in all the forum drama just so trolls have extra content to post in their threads.
Everyone here has already taken all my posts out of context and they will just ignore anything I say anyway.
I've messaged Ryan on Skype. I'm rather confused by the whole thing to be honest.
I won't be posting in this thread after this. Ryan and Daniel know how to contact me off this forum.
Dean Nolan you are a disgusting little imbecile. When you get exposed you say "I am rather confused" or "I never meant that" or "I didn't understand" or "There was no attempt to cheat anyone"
When I exposed your allegation against the Stake team you squirmed out of it by telling them "I did not mean that, I meant something else" even though you clearly made allegations against them. Aengus from the Stake team congratulated you when you opening your betking website even after the shameful scam ICO. They were generous to offering kind words even though you were in competition for the same space but you are a jealous little fool who pretends to be all "nicey-nice" but you wish ill on all your competitors: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.45199982
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You cannot get out of this one Dean Nolan you disgusting scammer. Even if you apologise and even if you pay the overdue 2 BTC the fact is more people are now aware that you are a scammer and now know that you are getting worse and worse.
No more of anybody giving you the benefit of any doubt ever again.
You scam "colleagues" from the gaming/gambling community including those who have made positive posts about you in the past.
You scam gullible investors in the ICO by not following the whitepaper promises.
How much more lower can you go? Shame on you pathetic person, the Crash game is still on your betking website.
It is a well known fact in the forum that betking and Dean Nolan are known as scam and scammer.
I know Daniel said he's too busy to care, but I don't think what you're doing is fair. I intend on leaving negative trust, and petitioning the Crypto Gambling Foundation to revoke your membership, unless you can do the right thing and pay what is owed (and ideally provide a proof-of-solvency to show you are in the position to complete the terms of the buy-back program that your ICO tokens require).
RHavar is one of the most reasonable people I've met in this entire community. He's been very helpful on a variety of issues and has always offered assistance without expecting anything in return which is why I consider him a friend. I'm not sure why there was such an attempt to effectively cheat one of the most respected operations in this scene out of 2BTC. And then instead of just apologizing and making it right, there have just been denials and cover-ups. I haven't seen an honest apology, I have to stick up for RHavar here given what I've seen the past week on this forum and privately.
There was no attempt to cheat anyone.
I'm not getting caught up in all the forum drama just so trolls have extra content to post in their threads.
Everyone here has already taken all my posts out of context and they will just ignore anything I say anyway.
I've messaged Ryan on Skype. I'm rather confused by the whole thing to be honest.
I won't be posting in this thread after this. Ryan and Daniel know how to contact me off this forum.
I know Daniel said he's too busy to care, but I don't think what you're doing is fair. I intend on leaving negative trust, and petitioning the Crypto Gambling Foundation to revoke your membership, unless you can do the right thing and pay what is owed (and ideally provide a proof-of-solvency to show you are in the position to complete the terms of the buy-back program that your ICO tokens require).
RHavar is one of the most reasonable people I've met in this entire community. He's been very helpful on a variety of issues and has always offered assistance without expecting anything in return which is why I consider him a friend. I'm not sure why there was such an attempt to effectively cheat one of the most respected operations in this scene out of 2BTC. And then instead of just apologizing and making it right, there have just been denials and cover-ups. I haven't seen an honest apology, I have to stick up for RHavar here given what I've seen the past week on this forum and privately.
You know we were under the opinion, wrongly, that we were able to use that code after discussing it with RHavar.
This is absolutely ridiculous of you to drag me into this. I neither said nor implied any such thing. I would normally be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest maybe you misunderstood me, but we only spoke about it after you launched with pirated software.
But I do encourage you to share anything I said that might have given you a different impression. Just make sure you include enough context, like how you first started off with "we didn't just copy it but used reference" before then later admitting you were using a minified verbatim copy of bustabit (even including some pointless bustabit debug lines) both on the client and server, and asked about known problems or exploits in the specific version you're running. So there goes the "accidental infringement" defence. Ooops.
But reviewing our conversation, my advice was to follow the terms of the AGPLv3 version (releasing modified source code) and save you paying the small licensing fee. So please don't act like you were led astray (and not to mention: I'm not a lawyer or have any rights to the source code you're using) so my opinion is rather irrelevant anyway.
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There is not any Bustabit code in the relaunched version and we even use different libraries for graphing.
That's obviously nonsense. Let's not pretend you reimplemented the entire thing in a couple days. It's exactly the same and has literally exactly the same rendering quirks and bugs that it did before. I can see you made a few obvious changes (stripped the debug lines, changed
I am sad and disappointed to read what Dean Nolan has been doing with regards to the Crash game but I am not surprised at all because it is true to form for him behave like this.
May I suggest that even if Dean Nolan and betking does finally pay the outstanding 2 BTC for stealing the software and if he does apologise to you for carrying out yet another scam in a along line of his scams, it would still open up questions about his business morals and ethics. On that basis should betking and Dean Nolan remain a member of the CGF?
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