Topic: bustabit – The original crash game - page 101. (Read 61394 times)

Even though he scammed me as affiliate, I am not disappointed at all because there were already some warning signs before like in February the affiliate tracking for all affiliates did not work. Then later, referred players were removed from my affiliate list.


Funny, I had no idea that pocketrocketcasino affiliates were already scammed.

To better warn the gambling community about this scam artist, I created this article that can be easily found when putting "betking + scam" into google:

BetKing scam

This is absolutely ridiculous of you to drag me into this.  I neither said nor implied any such thing. I would normally be willing to give you the benefit of the doubt and suggest maybe you misunderstood me, but we only spoke about it after you launched with pirated software.

But I do encourage you to share anything I said that might have given you a different impression. Just make sure you include enough context, like how you first started off with "we didn't just copy it but used reference" before then later admitting you were using a minified verbatim copy of bustabit (even including some pointless bustabit debug lines) both on the client and server, and asked about known problems or exploits in the specific version you're running. So there goes the "accidental infringement" defence. Ooops.

But reviewing our conversation, my advice was to follow the terms of the AGPLv3 version (releasing modified source code) and save you paying the small licensing fee. So please don't act like you were led astray (and not to mention: I'm not a lawyer or have any rights to the source code you're using) so my opinion is rather irrelevant anyway.


That's obviously nonsense. Let's not pretend you reimplemented the entire thing in a couple days. It's exactly the same and has literally exactly the same rendering quirks and bugs that it did before. I can see you made a few obvious changes (stripped the debug lines, changed to

It's like you got a copy of a Harry Potter book, and find-and-replaced most of the characters and places names. Pretending it's your work is insulting.

And I'm going to be honest, I personally don't really care about copyright infringement (I pretty much pirate every movie I watch), but I do very much value honesty -- and find this whole situation extremely concerning.

And on that note, I'm not sure what's a bigger red-flag: That you raised millions of dollars with an ICO to supposedly help pay development, and then would rip Dan off for a rather insignificant once-off 2 bitcoin licensing fee. Or that you'd rather tarnish your brand and reputation over said fee.

I know Daniel said he's too busy to care, but I don't think what you're doing is fair. I intend on leaving negative trust, and petitioning the Crypto Gambling Foundation to revoke your membership, unless you can do the right thing and pay what is owed (and ideally provide a proof-of-solvency to show you are in the position to complete the terms of the buy-back program that your ICO tokens require).

Why would you say that? I would definitely expect Dean Nolan and betking to act in this very precise way !

-- Dean Nolan and betking accused me of taking money from Stake.com just because I said they had a great looking UI and great reputation. I uploaded the screenshot of his PM to the Stake thread and then Dean Nolan tried to talk his way out it by saying to the Stake team he meant something else  

-- Dean Nolan and betking have been accused of scamming so many people in the pocketrocketcasino affiliate scam and then continuing his affiliate scam with betking.

-- This is the same Dean Nolan and betking that ate in to the "profits" of the betking website using 30 million tokens that were dormant, therefore ICO and token investors got much less with their 70 million.

-- This is the same Dean Nolan and betking that said a new website was going to be paid from the ICO funds but he re-launched the same website he shutdown in 2016.

-- This is the same Dean Nolan and betking that said new games would be coded and were going to be paid from the ICO funds to be added to the new betking website but all he did was add plugin affiliates from livetables.io
Oh I forgot, he re-added the roulette game that he took down before the ICO and he showed it as a "new" game.

-- This is same Dean Nolan that claimed he gave away 25 Bitcoin to charities in December 2017 from 1st December to 25th December at 1 BTC a day as a gesture of kindness (and of-course paying for news and press releases advertising and promoting the non-existent endeavour) but never "proved" which charities he allegedly donated to.

The Dean Nolan and betking scam list goes on...

He could pay for all that nonsense to be promoted and a for a lie to be perpetuated but he could not pay just 2 BTC licence fee to use the Crash game? About the code being modified, yes it was minimally altered yet it is essentially the same code/game but a key thing to remember is that Dean Nolan could not code a single simple line to save his life. He gets his edits, updates and mods from hired help that he has no choice but to allow FTP and DB access to thus opening himself up for all sorts of issues in the very near future. Karma I hope.

If you all in the gambling and gaming community believe Dean Nolan and betking are a part of the "group" keeping each other protected and being polite to each other, you are wrong. Dean Nolan is a jealous little pathetic fool who wishes he was monopolising the crypto gaming/gambling world, he showed himself to be a disgusting imbecile in the PM he posted to me when attacking the Stake team so I uploaded it and shared it in the Stake thread.




So going by that post, the fact that Dean Nolan and betking did not want to pay 2 BTC licence fee for the software he is using is supposed to be the OPs fault?

And following on from that, Dean Nolan and betking hired a coder to minimally move the code around just to claim it was wholly re-written?

betking and Dean Nolan are called scam and scammer, so many people in this forum say it.

You modified the code to support multiple currencies and you reformatted a few field names from snake_case to camelCase. Perhaps you even rewrote the graph rendering. But it's obvious to anyone that cares to look that BetKing is using bustabit's code. For instance, let's have a look at how the server communicates with the client. On the left is BetKing and on the right a casino using bustabit's v1 software (with permission).

Compare the state that's provided on connection:




Or when a game is starting:




And what the server sends when the game ends:




There are other "similarities" but I believe I've made my point. In any case, I'm over it. I'm just disappointed that you and BetKing would act this way.

There is not any Bustabit code in the relaunched version and we even use different libraries for graphing.

You know we were under the opinion, wrongly, that we were able to use that code after discussing it with RHavar.
Then we spoke and I asked if we could work something out which is why it was up so long. You didn't ask it to be taken down on day 1, it was about 7 days later you asked after we decided we were going to rewrite it anyway.

Thank you devans, I appreciate the post.

I had some pieces of the jigsaw but not all of them so was reading between the lines. Your post sheds a lot of light on the curiosity I had.

With regards to Bustabit and Bustadice, I wish you success in your projects. Both seem to have a good reputation so I hope you do well with regards to your efforts.

Thank you

BetKing launched its crash game using bustabit's source code without complying with its open source license or having purchased a paid license from bustabit. That's why I added betking.io to the list of sites pirating bustabit's software. After about ten days Dean finally took the game offline, so I removed it from the list again. Now it looks like he's relaunched the game still using slightly obfuscated bustabit code, but I'm not sure pursuing it is worth all the potential drama.



I acquired bustabit in January of this year from Ryan, its previous owner.

I am not too familiar with the background to this website and the game but it seems from your post that bustabit was originally owned by somebody else then was purchased by the OP.

Please can somebody confirm

Regarding the allegation made that Dean Nolan from betking owed 2 BTC for outstanding licence fees: https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.47317090

betking was listed here in the scammer list: https://www.bustabit.com/license.txt as "Sites that are violating the terms of bustabit's open source license and should not be considered trustworthy"

A couple of days after the allegation was made in the thread, betking was removed from the scammer list.

You mentioned you have no dispute with Dean Nolan or betking but were you or Bustabit or Bustadice in dispute before that post was made, say last week, last month or ever?

Did Dean Nolan or betking recently make a payment to get betking removed from the licence.txt page?

When and why was betking added to the list in the first place and why was it removed from that list a couple of days ago?

Thank you

Fantastic the site was just down for a moment and its now back up. The improvements you have done are not commonly complained in both the chat as well as in the ANN thread, but they are still nice additions to your gambling site nonetheless. Keep it up devans as you have improved the game and its services even if these areas are not yet causing a problem to majority of the community.

And we're back online!

Apart from a few minor changes, today's update brings three notable improvements:

• Improved transaction fee estimation: bustabit's fee estimation is now quicker to react to changes in the Bitcoin fee market and better at choosing an appropriate fee. As a result, instant withdrawals are more likely to be confirmed within the two block target.
• Cancellation of queued withdrawals: Queued withdrawals that haven't been processed yet can now be cancelled from the withdrawal history. The withdrawal amount will be returned to your account's balance immediately.
• Deep linking to profit chart pages: Previously the only way to get to a specific part of a player's profit chart was to navigate there from the first or last page. Now any page can be linked to directly.

bustabit is offline for scheduled maintenance. The downtime should last less than an hour and I'll post an update in this thread once it's complete.

Is this scam accusation cleared?

While they have not purchased a license, they have permission to use bustabit's v1 source code without making their own code available to their users under the same terms as usually required by the AGPLv3.

Don't they have the license though? I'm pretty sure they still own the license because they only switch their site from ( ethcrash.io ) to ( ethercrash.io )
albeit it's almost the same people there as owners except Nekoz.

They do not have licence even if they have it does not mean anything for your security

Hi, I'm wondering if ethercrash.io has the license from bustabit. I don't see them on https://www.bustabit.com/license.txt

Thank you

Well, nearly every bustabit clone actually uses our old v1 software. That includes the bonus, so unless they make the effort to remove it their casinos will include the bonus, too.

So that bonus did not do any effect on your new version, I thought that many of them complaining about it and in the end most of them are just bot want to get good profit. Because a lot of new crash game seems to implement back the bonus on their version, so I thought you guys have something to do with the bonus too. Thanks for clarifying it

bustabit is back online!  

The most important change in today's patch is increasing the dilution fee to 2% and decreasing the maximum leverage to 3:1. It also contains numerous minor bug fixes and improvements.


Your script stopped placing bets when the server went offline and unless you wait for your client to reconnect on its own you'll have to restart it.