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Topic: Butterfly Labs Forced "On Hold For Refund" for all my Single SC orders - page 10. (Read 59178 times)

legendary
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LEALANA Bitcoin Grim Reaper

I don't consider myself to be a paranoid person, but I've little doubt that there are pro BFL sockpuppet/shills plying their trade on the bitcointalk stage.

why? Becouse BFL has proved what a reputable company they are? so surely they wouldn't?
i think the opposite infact, BFL OBVIOUSLY doesn't have a PR team, so what else would be there tactic to entice customers and shut negative perceptions hhmmm well they COULD use SOCKPUPPETS as appose to a PR team to root BFL on bitcointalk.org and other related site which has a high concentration of potential customers..... this way its cheaper than hiring a PR team, so BFL can have more customers money to spunk on their salaries/bonuses for a job that could be done better by my pet dog......its a no brainer..... proof? they don't have a PR team what else do they use, and just see INTO3 comments, thats just josh all over,its easy to spot josh's word vomit



^ Sockpuppet?
legendary
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I don't consider myself to be a paranoid person, but I've little doubt that there are pro BFL sockpuppet/shills plying their trade on the bitcointalk stage.

why? Becouse BFL has proved what a reputable company they are? so surely they wouldn't?
i think the opposite infact, BFL OBVIOUSLY doesn't have a PR team, so what else would be there tactic to entice customers and shut negative perceptions hhmmm well they COULD use SOCKPUPPETS as appose to a PR team to root BFL on bitcointalk.org and other related site which has a high concentration of potential customers..... this way its cheaper than hiring a PR team, so BFL can have more customers money to spunk on their salaries/bonuses for a job that could be done better by my pet dog......its a no brainer..... proof? they don't have a PR team what else do they use, and just see INTO3 comments, thats just josh all over,its easy to spot josh's word vomit

Furthermore who else would passionately back BFL

its either
1 - one of the few customers who purchased a BFL jalapeno and it has arrived
2- Someone who didnt purchase or purchased a BFL and hasnt arrived
3- BFL team aka josh

soo lets analyse this
1- one of the few customers who purchased a BFl jalapeno would have been annoyed they had to wait along time therefore i Doubt they would back BFL passionately like INTOHo3
2- someone who didn't purchase a BFL or purchased the BFL and it hasn't arrived - these guys are pissed off they havn't recieved a BFL product therefore wont back BFL, someone who didn't purchase a BFL (whether it be for whatever reason) are the most rational observers and if they read BFL history  they most certainly would not be passionately backing BFL.
3- that leaves BFL team - who are trying to save there ass
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The ONE thing BFL has done well through all their endless shell games is to keep the money coming in while nothing but bs goes out...even this will eventually come to an end. I dunno if this is the beginning of the end or no, but I think their behavior is becoming increasingly outrageous. This seems indicative of a collapsing house of cards.

I don't consider myself to be a paranoid person, but I've little doubt that there are pro BFL sockpuppet/shills plying their trade on the bitcointalk stage.
legendary
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Christian Antkow
Intoh aka josh is using a sock puppet as he knows that the moment one law suit is issued against BFL and won, the gates or narnia will be torn down and BFL will be having to spend probably ALL their money on lawyers as everyones going to jump on board as frankly this BFL BULLSHIT is getting old. who knows perhaps fraudulent activity will end up being discovered by these DOUCHEBAGS, does this company even get audited Huh?  to prove to the customers where their money has gone. HOW DO WE KNOW THAT BFL LABS ARNT GIVING THEMSELVES 6 FIGURE SALARIES WITH THE CUSTOMERS MONEY?
JOSH I KNOW YOUR READING THIS AND YOUR MONKEY IQ WHICH IS PORTRAYED BY YOUR RESPONSES TO CUSTOMERS IS NOT SMARTER THAN THE PUBLIC, SO CUT YOUR HORSE S**T! ****HOLE

 This what I am having trouble wrapping my head around.

 - Be an asshole towards people/customers on Bitcoin talk
 - Have your customers call you out on being an asshole
 - Punitively cancel your customers' preorders because they talked back to you
 - Former customer is sure to be silenced, slink away into the night, never to be heard from again
 - Continue to taunt their former customer that they seemingly have no legal recourse
 
 It never should have reached the point where I became as irate as I did. EVER.

 This is clearly not a normal business-transaction scenario. Certainly not like one I have ever committed myself to.

 To support and applaud these sort of business ethics in America seems foreign to me.

 
 
legendary
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People are just too trusting and don't bother with research. This blind spot can result in very interesting mayoral races:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/toronto/globe-investigation-the-ford-familys-history-with-drug-dealing/article12153014/

Apparently, it can also result in BFL.
legendary
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d) got no fucking claim to damages based on the fact that there is no contract

As far as I'm aware, this is actually a pretty valid point.

Seriously, if you have no clue what the law is, shut your damn mouth.  BFL offered a product for a certain price.  Legally, that part was not an offer, though it looks like one.  However, the customer then offered to buy the product for that amount.  That part is an "offer."  BFL accepted that offer by taking their money (and stating "all sales are final" just underscores that).  That's "acceptance."

"Offer" and "acceptance" are what makes a contract.  That's also how it works under the UCC, which is pretty much binding unless you're in Louisiana.

Needless to say, "you're a dick" is not a defense to breach of contract, except in Josh Zerlan bullshido fantasyland.
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Is int03h another retard Inaba's troll accounts?

Asking magic 8 ball.....

SHAKE SHAKE SHAKE.....

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At this point in time it is too little too late for BFL.

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d) got no fucking claim to damages based on the fact that there is no contract  e) NO ACTUAL DAMAGES


Uhm, you mean, because they refunded him?

You don't need to sign a piece of paper to be in a contract...
legendary
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Is int03h another retard Inaba's troll accounts?
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d) got no fucking claim to damages based on the fact that there is no contract

As far as I'm aware, this is actually a pretty valid point.

How about you let the lawyers bring that up in court... and the judge decide? I don't think given the long Q that most people are going to receive a product and their only recourse is cancellation or likely legal action. Given the numbers I suspect they could work pool legal resources and get something back? At this point what other options are there? This will start degrading rapidly given what is happening.
legendary
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d) got no fucking claim to damages based on the fact that there is no contract

As far as I'm aware, this is actually a pretty valid point.
legendary
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Bitcoin: An Idea Worth Spending
If it took them 11 months to accumulate their current order queue. Then, for them to catch up and clear it out they would need to satisfy orders at a faster clip than they received them.

If they received on average 200 orders for every day for 11 months. Then they must ship out 201 orders for every day for the next 11 months.

Question: Do you currently see this happening?

So that is why they put their reflow ovens at the entrance oppose to where it should be near shipping/delivery/assembly, not separated by offices. So that when the hourly tour bus drives by, their biggest fans (pun?) can see for themselves that something's happening. What that something will be, nobody knows, but it'll be something, for it's always something at Camp BFL.

I just realized that's it was a four day weekend due to the holiday. I wonder who were paid overtime to watch over Luke's rig, or did they turn it off for 3-4 days.

"Perdoname, Señor! Luke machine es alto."
legendary
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K9's Taint .. I am coming for you next you homo ..

Thanks for keeping the thread open while we ran Xian's predicament past an actual lawyer. It turns out that most of us were initially wrong. It is a clear case of breach of contract on BFL's part. Xian will be pursuing it on his own. BFL is on the hook for providing either the actual goods they promised, or the current market value for the goods.

If you hadn't been so crazy, the whole situation might have just faded away. Thanks again for keeping us focused on the problem!  Grin

you replied to me you fucking dick head .. are you high ? and then did again ?

Ok.  SO in terms of Xian's "Predicament" .. he is SOL .. TOTALLY SOL .. you want to know why ?

Check with the lawyers .. because hes a) A DICK b) A DICK c) A DICK d) got no fucking claim to damages based on the fact that there is no contract  e) NO ACTUAL DAMAGES

Eat it .. smoke it .. stick it in your ass.


Guy below me is obviously a monster FAG!!

You should have just let the thread die instead of running your mouth. Your pride got you in trouble again. Froth at the mouth much?  Roll Eyes

Quoted so Bicknellski could enjoy too. I am heartless, I admit it. Wink
legendary
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Christian Antkow
 Ditto, Josh.

 Newton's Third Law is most certainly problematic, huh ?

Xian ... let me go on record as saying you are one of the worst people I have ever met - virtually or otherwise .  If you want to go after BFL .. do it. If you want to hate BFL .. do it. But this duplicitous non-committal approach is what got you here. Enjoy. IF you guys sponsor this horseshit -  I will lose all the respect for you that I don't have.
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Ignored the guy above me... glad I did.
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create a thread


Wanted to echo the post I made in Legal here.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2291973

"It wouldn't feel right asking the community to donate money for my legal pursuits. I've thought about it, but it doesn't sit well with me. I need to deal with this myself.

The only way something might feel right, is if it was for a forums based advertising account, where all proceeds donated would be used as a "Butterfly Labs Truth-in-Advertising" fund, that would link to a post vetted by a core group of people to have a unified message. JohnK (if he is comfortable with that) or some other trusted source or neutral third-party could be the OP that would only update text after a consensus was reached by a core group.
"

Xian ... let me go on record as saying you are one of the worst people I have ever met - virtually or otherwise .  If you want to go after BFL .. do it. If you want to hate BFL .. do it. But this duplicitous non-committal approach is what got you here. Enjoy. IF you guys sponsor this horseshit -  I will lose all the respect for you that I don't have.



legendary
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K9's Taint .. I am coming for you next you homo ..

Thanks for keeping the thread open while we ran Xian's predicament past an actual lawyer. It turns out that most of us were initially wrong. It is a clear case of breach of contract on BFL's part. Xian will be pursuing it on his own. BFL is on the hook for providing either the actual goods they promised, or the current market value for the goods.

If you hadn't been so crazy, the whole situation might have just faded away. Thanks again for keeping us focused on the problem!  Grin
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create a thread


Wanted to echo the post I made in Legal here.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2291973

"It wouldn't feel right asking the community to donate money for my legal pursuits. I've thought about it, but it doesn't sit well with me. I need to deal with this myself.

The only way something might feel right, is if it was for a forums based advertising account, where all proceeds donated would be used as a "Butterfly Labs Truth-in-Advertising" fund, that would link to a post vetted by a core group of people to have a unified message. JohnK (if he is comfortable with that) or some other trusted source or neutral third-party could be the OP that would only update text after a consensus was reached by a core group.
"

Problem is BFL and the Google ad site and others that promotion outside these forums is probably keeping them afloat. Not sure you are going to have major effect just here, but I am willing to support any cause that brings some TRUTH to light.
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I am sorry I missed your point

Yep. I don't expect you to understand anything.

Over under on when int03h vanishes into the setting sun: 18 days.

I'll take the under  Grin

You want to bet on that?

I don't understand because you don't make any fucking sense..  


Go put a bet on a bitcoin betting site. I don't do anything without escrow that involves people who only have posts dated from today.  Cheesy
Of course I don't make sense to you. Nothing I type will ever make sense to you.

Let us first discuss the terms since I am not really clear on what it is you were implying.. (NOTE IT IS YOU THAT IS SAYING IT .. NOT ME )
But I see there is a bet here somewhere .. please articulate it as best you can.. I am happy to put up 10BTC..



This reposted for YipYap since his ADD seems to be fucking with his short term memory . It is not self appointed it was a direct challenge.

Oh the irony. Int30h posted 12 times after asking me to explain what I meant by the bet.

And yet you avoid actually making the bet. Add one to your abacus labeled int03h's posts.


u have nothing to say child so I have added you to my ignore list ...u join a select few of ppl who are so retarded and broken that I am not going to even bother

yourself & limitless

I hope u find peace somewhere in your life because this is not it ..good bye

Someone tell this fucking idiot he lost the bet.  it was only 0.01 BTC but he still didn't figure it out.  I would share the details .. but it doesnt matter since I have achieved my mission and proved my point ABUNDANTLY.

http://i.imgur.com/QeY7Nzc.jpg for someone that doesn't care he seems to to care ALOT!

K9's Taint .. I am coming for you next you homo ..
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