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Topic: Butterfly Labs Forced "On Hold For Refund" for all my Single SC orders - page 11. (Read 59168 times)

legendary
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Christian Antkow
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Wanted to echo the post I made in Legal here.

https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2291973

"It wouldn't feel right asking the community to donate money for my legal pursuits. I've thought about it, but it doesn't sit well with me. I need to deal with this myself.

The only way something might feel right, is if it was for a forums based advertising account, where all proceeds donated would be used as a "Butterfly Labs Truth-in-Advertising" fund, that would link to a post vetted by a core group of people to have a unified message. JohnK (if he is comfortable with that) or some other trusted source or neutral third-party could be the OP that would only update text after a consensus was reached by a core group.
"
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Xian

create a thread
contact the legal dude in Legal Forum
contact the other customer who had the same XP as you
outline what he thinks are the steps,timelines and costs for this process
setup an escrow with John K

It will be a kickstarter for BFL discover what is right & what is wrong

Announce  the address and also the results from discussions (without giving away too much Wink ) and lets get this party started

I think this will be the first of many to come !
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Willing to donate some hash power later and funds created can go into the war chest... JOHNK... nice escrow right there if he has time! I am sure there will be a whole whack of people willing and able to take on a small amount and that adds up to action I hope.
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I'd contribute. I'm tired of seeing such incompetence (at best) or pure lies (at worst) take so many people for a ride.
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Also just wanted to thanks Notm28 for the idea to do this ... Lets see if there is an appetite

thanks Notm28 ...lol


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Good news Xian. The resident bitcointalk lawyer chimed in on this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217036.40

Lets get a fighting fund to get BFL held to account Cheesy


Oh yes lawyers. Then we could get some politicians to join in the fun. I bet Obama's press secretary is dying to chime in about pre-orders.

We don't need a press secretary yet. Perhaps after the lawsuit concludes.

Techcrunch wired and heaps of others will pick this up for sure !!!!!!
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Good news Xian. The resident bitcointalk lawyer chimed in on this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217036.40

Lets get a fighting fund to get BFL held to account Cheesy


@ Xian01

It's time to tell you that you should not in any way converse with or speak to BFL (or it's reps) as it may damage your case. If approached, say absolutely nothing without legal representation.

If they haven't contacted you yet, they probably will very soon. This, if it happens, will likely be to disarm you and offer you something which may impact any cases brought against them. I think you should not correspond with anyone from BFL as a matter of your own interests at stake.

I am just putting that out there as a matter of caution and to preempt any "weasel" maneuvers they might entice you with. If they threaten you, make sure to post it here publicly so you have witnesses.

Agreed ... can we get John K or Graet to hold the funds in escrow and lets see if there is an appetite for it !!

I have 2 Btc ready to go Cheesy
legendary
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Good news Xian. The resident bitcointalk lawyer chimed in on this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217036.40

Lets get a fighting fund to get BFL held to account Cheesy


Oh yes lawyers. Then we could get some politicians to join in the fun. I bet Obama's press secretary is dying to chime in about pre-orders.

We don't need a press secretary yet. Perhaps after the lawsuit concludes.
hero member
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Good news Xian. The resident bitcointalk lawyer chimed in on this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217036.40

Lets get a fighting fund to get BFL held to account Cheesy


Oh yes lawyers. Then we could get some politicians to join in the fun. I bet Obama's press secretary is dying to chime in about pre-orders.

..lol i see your point ..i just think there has been enough talking and something should be done about these bozo's
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Good news Xian. The resident bitcointalk lawyer chimed in on this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217036.40

Lets get a fighting fund to get BFL held to account Cheesy


Oh yes lawyers. Then we could get some politicians to join in the fun. I bet Obama's press secretary is dying to chime in about pre-orders.
hero member
Activity: 574
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Good news Xian. The resident bitcointalk lawyer chimed in on this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217036.40

Lets get a fighting fund to get BFL held to account Cheesy

legendary
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Good news Xian. The resident bitcointalk lawyer chimed in on this thread:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=217036.40
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Lets say I took in 4000 orders from June 23rd, 2012.

200 Jally's
800 Little Singles
2998 Singles
2 Minirigs.

Lets say the current date is April 1st 2013. Okay? Good.

Then lets say I ship out 2 Jally's on April 1st 2013. Great.
Then lets say I ship out 35 Jally's on April 23rd 2013. Yippee!
Then lets say I ship out 100 Jally's on May 23rd 2013. Excellent.

Problem. See above, most of my queue hasn't even been executed. It took me the better part of two months to clear out 1 week of received orders [for Jallys only] from 1 year ago....SIGH.

What if I ordered a Jally a whole month after the initial orders being received....well damn...at the current clip of speed...It will take about......TOO LONG. LOL (On the order of about 2 months to execute every 1 week of received orders = 8 months)

Thats not even talking about the most popular line of products. Yikes. Unless Jody starts blogging about 1000+ orders going out each day, the order queue will never be cleared out anytime soon.

Agreed its been well documentated that if they stop taking all orders today ... even at the fantasy level of 400 a day it will be 10 months b4 they get close to todays orders
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I am sorry I missed your point

Yep. I don't expect you to understand anything.

Over under on when int03h vanishes into the setting sun: 18 days.

I'll take the under  Grin

You want to bet on that?

I don't understand because you don't make any fucking sense..  


Go put a bet on a bitcoin betting site. I don't do anything without escrow that involves people who only have posts dated from today.  Cheesy
Of course I don't make sense to you. Nothing I type will ever make sense to you.

Let us first discuss the terms since I am not really clear on what it is you were implying.. (NOTE IT IS YOU THAT IS SAYING IT .. NOT ME )
But I see there is a bet here somewhere .. please articulate it as best you can.. I am happy to put up 10BTC..



This reposted for YipYap since his ADD seems to be fucking with his short term memory . It is not self appointed it was a direct challenge.

Oh the irony. Int30h posted 12 times after asking me to explain what I meant by the bet.

And yet you avoid actually making the bet. Add one to your abacus labeled int03h's posts.


u have nothing to say child so I have added you to my ignore list ...u join a select few of ppl who are so retarded and broken that I am not going to even bother

yourself & limitless

I hope u find peace somewhere in your life because this is not it ..good bye
legendary
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Can we please stop feeding the trolls, please.

You are going to have to be more specific. Everyone who posts anything anywhere about BFL has been accused of being a troll.

He meant you dude.

My point exactly. The pro-BFL folks label "troll" everyone who disagrees with them or provides evidence that disproves one of their statements.
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l0tt0.com
what i can't believe is that in america, people can win the biggest lawsuits and gain a hell of alot of money from it for almost anything and it happens ALL the time, yet not one person has decided to take BFL *the assholes* to court for their illegal business practices, i mean if people arn't taking them to court becouse they were actually nice guys who are having trouble on timing that would be understandable, but everything that comes from josh's mouth and other at BFL (whether it be nothing at all ) proves that these guys are DOUCHEBAGS who dont care about its customers and worst of all screws them over, like what happened to xian,
xian should have his bitcoins refunded not his cash, and should not have the contract unilaterally ended for being angry at BFL when its BFL fault,
I really hope someone makes a stand to BFL and prove to the whole bitcoin community and BFL that they don't have the power.
Power is in with the consumers, not the company in most cases
BFL has done nothing to prove it deserves power over the consumers apart from ranting about its asics which has hardly been sent after a year, yet they think they can get away with disgruntling its customers month after month, week after week day after day, gaining interest rate on the bitcoin, ITS REDICULOUS!

I really hope to someone or a group of people take BFL to court for their atrocious business ethics

Atrocious business ethics are not actionable. Breach of contract (or as some suggested: fraud) are actionable.
legendary
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what i can't believe is that in america, people can win the biggest lawsuits and gain a hell of alot of money from it for almost anything and it happens ALL the time, yet not one person has decided to take BFL *the assholes* to court for their illegal business practices, i mean if people arn't taking them to court becouse they were actually nice guys who are having trouble on timing that would be understandable, but everything that comes from josh's mouth and other at BFL (whether it be nothing at all ) proves that these guys are DOUCHEBAGS who dont care about its customers and worst of all screws them over, like what happened to xian,
xian should have his bitcoins refunded not his cash, and should not have the contract unilaterally ended for being angry at BFL when its BFL fault,
I really hope someone makes a stand to BFL and prove to the whole bitcoin community and BFL that they don't have the power.
Power is in with the consumers, not the company in most cases
BFL has done nothing to prove it deserves power over the consumers apart from ranting about its asics which has hardly been sent after a year, yet they think they can get away with disgruntling its customers month after month, week after week day after day, gaining interest rate on the bitcoin, ITS REDICULOUS!

I really hope to someone or a group of people take BFL to court for their atrocious business ethics
legendary
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I am sorry I missed your point

Yep. I don't expect you to understand anything.

Over under on when int03h vanishes into the setting sun: 18 days.

I'll take the under  Grin

You want to bet on that?

I don't understand because you don't make any fucking sense..  


Go put a bet on a bitcoin betting site. I don't do anything without escrow that involves people who only have posts dated from today.  Cheesy
Of course I don't make sense to you. Nothing I type will ever make sense to you.

Let us first discuss the terms since I am not really clear on what it is you were implying.. (NOTE IT IS YOU THAT IS SAYING IT .. NOT ME )
But I see there is a bet here somewhere .. please articulate it as best you can.. I am happy to put up 10BTC..



This reposted for YipYap since his ADD seems to be fucking with his short term memory . It is not self appointed it was a direct challenge.

Oh the irony. Int30h posted 12 times after asking me to explain what I meant by the bet.

And yet you avoid actually making the bet. Add one to your abacus labeled int03h's posts.


Oh look, you still don't understand.  Grin Grin
I am not surprised.


Counter increased by 1.

Let me know when you man up. My position is clear.
It is your responsibility to find someone with an IQ over 60 to explain the terms to you.
Hint: the terms are in bold and you have spent half your post history claiming they do not exist.  Grin

Then again, sockpuppets have hands for brains don't they.

So .. your terms are : 
If I am here for 18 days or more then you will pay me 10BTC?
I will add to that .. that I am not a sock puppet and I will prove it to you on day 18.

Clarify if any of these terms are unacceptable.





DO NOT USE MY NAME IN VAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  Cheesy
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Can we please stop feeding the trolls, please.

You are going to have to be more specific. Everyone who posts anything anywhere about BFL has been accused of being a troll.

He meant you dude.

legendary
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If anyones curious, BFL also canceled my order after sending a demand letter asking for answers. Frankly if a company is only willing to respond to people who complain by canceling their orders after holding their money for a year then they can't be considered to honest or reputable. I'm glad they gave me a refund and I hope they continue to fail. I urge anyone with a recent or not so recent order to get a refund. Their actions are unconscionable and anyone placing an order today won't see anything for a VERY long time.

It's the latest BFL scam. Cancelling orders that were sold at $149 so that they can sell them to another customer at $249.
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