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Topic: Butterfly Labs Forced "On Hold For Refund" for all my Single SC orders - page 8. (Read 59168 times)

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Folks, Relax!

Don't feed the trolls. They are just trying to turn the thread page (56) so fewer people read what has recently transpired. If you really want to get the trolls goat. Delete your old original post and repost it after they are done with "the page turning techniques".

Doing so defeats their general purpose for being present and spamming.

Hey puerto - see you're still here - hows the asic?
sr. member
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can anyone sum up the last 55 pages for me?

hero member
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For a 42 year old man - your posts are very strange... and you know he has no case

[EDIT] k9 - you were so kind in the early days - what happened to you? I can understand YipYip's comments but yours?

As usual, your analysis of the situation is incorrect. You can read an actual lawyer's analysis here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2290818
Xian's case is fairly cut and dry.

Your revisitation of my posts lacks context. In the early days of these forums, the there were far fewer sock puppets and the tone was more collegial. Now, everybody and his brother has discovered Bitcoin thanks to the media and we have boatloads of nitwits for whom math and logic are foreign concepts. Scammers abound and their tactics are shallow, shameful, and (for the most part) predictable.

You know what I could not be bothered reading your 'actual lawyers anal sis' as I doubt it will be worth my while.

Xian's case is very much clean cut and dry... (insert obvious slander reasons here).

My re-visitation to your early posts was to make the point that you started off as a nice guy, then worrying to see that you may have become the bitter and twisted person you are now.

Hope that isn't the case...
legendary
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Folks, Relax!

Don't feed the trolls. They are just trying to turn the thread page (56) so fewer people read what has recently transpired. If you really want to get the trolls goat. Delete your old original post and repost it after they are done with "the page turning techniques".

Doing so defeats their general purpose for being present and spamming.
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000

For a 42 year old man - your posts are very strange... and you know he has no case

[EDIT] k9 - you were so kind in the early days - what happened to you? I can understand YipYip's comments but yours?

As usual, your analysis of the situation is incorrect. You can read an actual lawyer's analysis here:
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/m.2290818
Xian's case is fairly cut and dry.

Your revisitation of my posts lacks context. In the early days of these forums, the there were far fewer sock puppets and the tone was more collegial. Now, everybody and his brother has discovered Bitcoin thanks to the media and we have boatloads of nitwits for whom math and logic are foreign concepts. Scammers abound and their tactics are shallow, shameful, and (for the most part) predictable.

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Here's my profiling of - k9quaint - I wondered how old he was - here is my analysis (age in brackets)

Why does it matter who old is the speaker? I do not believe that it affects the validity of the facts or arguments put forward by them.

I thought it would be a good exercise in psychological profiling - you're next Smiley

First guess without even reading your posts is 21 - am I right?

[EDIT] you are not allowed to go and quickly remove your old posts as this is 'destruction of evidence'

I stand by my post history 100%. You are off by a factor of 2 on my age.  I am flattered you would spend so much time on me. I am a software engineer. My specialty is network security.
Either I am young at heart, or you are bad at profiling. I think I could live with either outcome.  Grin

Well, that surprises me - so you are 42 - there's no way you can see that in your posts - either you are immature or you just haven't learned much...

I think I could live with either outcome.  Grin

Edit: oh, and I am married. You could play for the Mets with that batting average.  Roll Eyes

[EDIT] now I know you are lying...


And now I know you can't abide being wrong.

Time for me to retire - I have said my piece. I do hope xian learns something from this (and refrains from telling people to FO - that might help).

Never too late to make good on that promise.

I would but I am constantly reminded with 'recent replies' to my posts and I can't turn them off. Then I read yours and YipYip's posts and felt obliged to point out that you both are lacking...

[EDIT] Quaecumque.

Well, I can't complain too loudly. Had you not pointed out Xian's loss so many times, he might not have found out he had a case.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/miners-consumer-protections-ucc-and-pre-orders-217036

For a 42 year old man - your posts are very strange... and you know he has no case


... what i load of rubbish ..."he has no case" ... i beg to differ


Personally I wanted to thank u for pointing all of this out and now causing Xian to move forward against Big Fucking Lies

I think on rough estimate there was at least 20-30 btc ready to put money into this action against BFL ( i have 2 btc i would love to donate to teh cause)

But no he does not want our money and will do it himself... notice something strange hear ... i think they are called morals and principles something that BFL are totally deficient in

Enough talking it is the time for the slow wheels to start turning and action is the word for the day...

Once again thanks for hopefully opening the flood gates to taking these asshats down !!! Cool

Dear oh dear, oh dear, oh dear - check out your language *dude*. I  'wanna tank u f orl yr posts - theyv bin grate to reed'
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Here's my profiling of - k9quaint - I wondered how old he was - here is my analysis (age in brackets)

Why does it matter who old is the speaker? I do not believe that it affects the validity of the facts or arguments put forward by them.

I thought it would be a good exercise in psychological profiling - you're next Smiley

First guess without even reading your posts is 21 - am I right?

[EDIT] you are not allowed to go and quickly remove your old posts as this is 'destruction of evidence'

I stand by my post history 100%. You are off by a factor of 2 on my age.  I am flattered you would spend so much time on me. I am a software engineer. My specialty is network security.
Either I am young at heart, or you are bad at profiling. I think I could live with either outcome.  Grin

Well, that surprises me - so you are 42 - there's no way you can see that in your posts - either you are immature or you just haven't learned much...

I think I could live with either outcome.  Grin

Edit: oh, and I am married. You could play for the Mets with that batting average.  Roll Eyes

[EDIT] now I know you are lying...


And now I know you can't abide being wrong.

Time for me to retire - I have said my piece. I do hope xian learns something from this (and refrains from telling people to FO - that might help).

Never too late to make good on that promise.

I would but I am constantly reminded with 'recent replies' to my posts and I can't turn them off. Then I read yours and YipYip's posts and felt obliged to point out that you both are lacking...

[EDIT] Quaecumque.

Well, I can't complain too loudly. Had you not pointed out Xian's loss so many times, he might not have found out he had a case.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/miners-consumer-protections-ucc-and-pre-orders-217036

For a 42 year old man - your posts are very strange... and you know he has no case


... what A load of rubbish ..."he has no case" ... i beg to differ


Personally I wanted to thank u for pointing all of this out and now causing Xian to move forward against Big Fucking Lies

I think on rough estimate there was at least 20-30 btc ready to put money into this action against BFL ( i have 2 btc i would love to donate to teh cause)

But no he does not want our money and will do it himself... notice something strange hear ... i think they are called morals and principles something that BFL are totally deficient in

Enough talking it is the time for the slow wheels to start turning and action is the word for the day...

Once again thanks for hopefully opening the flood gates to taking these asshats down !!! Cool
hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
Here's my profiling of - k9quaint - I wondered how old he was - here is my analysis (age in brackets)

Why does it matter who old is the speaker? I do not believe that it affects the validity of the facts or arguments put forward by them.

I thought it would be a good exercise in psychological profiling - you're next Smiley

First guess without even reading your posts is 21 - am I right?

[EDIT] you are not allowed to go and quickly remove your old posts as this is 'destruction of evidence'

..yawn

16 YipYip

..i loled .. i wish dude Cheesy

tell us then...
hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
Here's my profiling of - k9quaint - I wondered how old he was - here is my analysis (age in brackets)

Why does it matter who old is the speaker? I do not believe that it affects the validity of the facts or arguments put forward by them.

I thought it would be a good exercise in psychological profiling - you're next Smiley

First guess without even reading your posts is 21 - am I right?

[EDIT] you are not allowed to go and quickly remove your old posts as this is 'destruction of evidence'

..yawn

16 YipYip

..i loled .. i wish dude Cheesy
hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
Here's my profiling of - k9quaint - I wondered how old he was - here is my analysis (age in brackets)

Why does it matter who old is the speaker? I do not believe that it affects the validity of the facts or arguments put forward by them.

I thought it would be a good exercise in psychological profiling - you're next Smiley

First guess without even reading your posts is 21 - am I right?

[EDIT] you are not allowed to go and quickly remove your old posts as this is 'destruction of evidence'

I stand by my post history 100%. You are off by a factor of 2 on my age.  I am flattered you would spend so much time on me. I am a software engineer. My specialty is network security.
Either I am young at heart, or you are bad at profiling. I think I could live with either outcome.  Grin

Well, that surprises me - so you are 42 - there's no way you can see that in your posts - either you are immature or you just haven't learned much...

I think I could live with either outcome.  Grin

Edit: oh, and I am married. You could play for the Mets with that batting average.  Roll Eyes

[EDIT] now I know you are lying...


And now I know you can't abide being wrong.

Time for me to retire - I have said my piece. I do hope xian learns something from this (and refrains from telling people to FO - that might help).

Never too late to make good on that promise.

I would but I am constantly reminded with 'recent replies' to my posts and I can't turn them off. Then I read yours and YipYip's posts and felt obliged to point out that you both are lacking...

[EDIT] Quaecumque.

Well, I can't complain too loudly. Had you not pointed out Xian's loss so many times, he might not have found out he had a case.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/miners-consumer-protections-ucc-and-pre-orders-217036

For a 42 year old man - your posts are very strange... and you know he has no case

[EDIT] k9 - you were so kind in the early days - what happened to you? I can understand YipYip's comments but yours?
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000
Here's my profiling of - k9quaint - I wondered how old he was - here is my analysis (age in brackets)

Why does it matter who old is the speaker? I do not believe that it affects the validity of the facts or arguments put forward by them.

I thought it would be a good exercise in psychological profiling - you're next Smiley

First guess without even reading your posts is 21 - am I right?

[EDIT] you are not allowed to go and quickly remove your old posts as this is 'destruction of evidence'

I stand by my post history 100%. You are off by a factor of 2 on my age.  I am flattered you would spend so much time on me. I am a software engineer. My specialty is network security.
Either I am young at heart, or you are bad at profiling. I think I could live with either outcome.  Grin

Well, that surprises me - so you are 42 - there's no way you can see that in your posts - either you are immature or you just haven't learned much...

I think I could live with either outcome.  Grin

Edit: oh, and I am married. You could play for the Mets with that batting average.  Roll Eyes

[EDIT] now I know you are lying...


And now I know you can't abide being wrong.

Time for me to retire - I have said my piece. I do hope xian learns something from this (and refrains from telling people to FO - that might help).

Never too late to make good on that promise.

I would but I am constantly reminded with 'recent replies' to my posts and I can't turn them off. Then I read yours and YipYip's posts and felt obliged to point out that you both are lacking...

[EDIT] Quaecumque.

Well, I can't complain too loudly. Had you not pointed out Xian's loss so many times, he might not have found out he had a case.
https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/miners-consumer-protections-ucc-and-pre-orders-217036
hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
Here's my profiling of - k9quaint - I wondered how old he was - here is my analysis (age in brackets)

Why does it matter who old is the speaker? I do not believe that it affects the validity of the facts or arguments put forward by them.

I thought it would be a good exercise in psychological profiling - you're next Smiley

First guess without even reading your posts is 21 - am I right?

[EDIT] you are not allowed to go and quickly remove your old posts as this is 'destruction of evidence'

I stand by my post history 100%. You are off by a factor of 2 on my age.  I am flattered you would spend so much time on me. I am a software engineer. My specialty is network security.
Either I am young at heart, or you are bad at profiling. I think I could live with either outcome.  Grin

Well, that surprises me - so you are 42 - there's no way you can see that in your posts - either you are immature or you just haven't learned much...

I think I could live with either outcome.  Grin

Edit: oh, and I am married. You could play for the Mets with that batting average.  Roll Eyes

[EDIT] now I know you are lying...


And now I know you can't abide being wrong.

Time for me to retire - I have said my piece. I do hope xian learns something from this (and refrains from telling people to FO - that might help).

Never too late to make good on that promise.

I would but I am constantly reminded with 'recent replies' to my posts and I can't turn them off. Then I read yours and YipYip's posts and felt obliged to point out that you both are lacking...

[EDIT] Quaecumque.
hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
Here's my profiling of - k9quaint - I wondered how old he was - here is my analysis (age in brackets)

Why does it matter who old is the speaker? I do not believe that it affects the validity of the facts or arguments put forward by them.

I thought it would be a good exercise in psychological profiling - you're next Smiley

First guess without even reading your posts is 21 - am I right?

[EDIT] you are not allowed to go and quickly remove your old posts as this is 'destruction of evidence'

..yawn

16 YipYip
legendary
Activity: 1190
Merit: 1000
Here's my profiling of - k9quaint - I wondered how old he was - here is my analysis (age in brackets)

Why does it matter who old is the speaker? I do not believe that it affects the validity of the facts or arguments put forward by them.

I thought it would be a good exercise in psychological profiling - you're next Smiley

First guess without even reading your posts is 21 - am I right?

[EDIT] you are not allowed to go and quickly remove your old posts as this is 'destruction of evidence'

I stand by my post history 100%. You are off by a factor of 2 on my age.  I am flattered you would spend so much time on me. I am a software engineer. My specialty is network security.
Either I am young at heart, or you are bad at profiling. I think I could live with either outcome.  Grin

Well, that surprises me - so you are 42 - there's no way you can see that in your posts - either you are immature or you just haven't learned much...

I think I could live with either outcome.  Grin

Edit: oh, and I am married. You could play for the Mets with that batting average.  Roll Eyes

[EDIT] now I know you are lying...


And now I know you can't abide being wrong.

Time for me to retire - I have said my piece. I do hope xian learns something from this (and refrains from telling people to FO - that might help).

Never too late to make good on that promise.
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d) got no fucking claim to damages based on the fact that there is no contract

As far as I'm aware, this is actually a pretty valid point.

Seriously, if you have no clue what the law is, shut your damn mouth.  BFL offered a product for a certain price.  Legally, that part was not an offer, though it looks like one.  However, the customer then offered to buy the product for that amount.  That part is an "offer."  BFL accepted that offer by taking their money (and stating "all sales are final" just underscores that).  That's "acceptance."

"Offer" and "acceptance" are what makes a contract.  That's also how it works under the UCC, which is pretty much binding unless you're in Louisiana.

Needless to say, "you're a dick" is not a defense to breach of contract, except in Josh Zerlan bullshido fantasyland.

Why are your panties so bunched up?  I'm not a lawyer, and I highly doubt you are either. Beaking about understanding the law and who should and shouldn't speak about it is a little hypocritical on your part, no?

Everything in a commercial world is a contract...either formal or implied...

Duty of Care
A Hand Shake
As soon as you exchange funds a contract is in place

People who go around yelling "there is no contract" must be children who watch toooo much tv as anybody knows there is one in the world of grown ups.... Cool

legendary
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d) got no fucking claim to damages based on the fact that there is no contract

As far as I'm aware, this is actually a pretty valid point.

Seriously, if you have no clue what the law is, shut your damn mouth.  BFL offered a product for a certain price.  Legally, that part was not an offer, though it looks like one.  However, the customer then offered to buy the product for that amount.  That part is an "offer."  BFL accepted that offer by taking their money (and stating "all sales are final" just underscores that).  That's "acceptance."

"Offer" and "acceptance" are what makes a contract.  That's also how it works under the UCC, which is pretty much binding unless you're in Louisiana.

Needless to say, "you're a dick" is not a defense to breach of contract, except in Josh Zerlan bullshido fantasyland.

Why are your panties so bunched up?  I'm not a lawyer, and I highly doubt you are either. Beaking about understanding the law and who should and shouldn't speak about it is a little hypocritical on your part, no?
hero member
Activity: 574
Merit: 500
Here's my profiling of - k9quaint - I wondered how old he was - here is my analysis (age in brackets)

Why does it matter who old is the speaker? I do not believe that it affects the validity of the facts or arguments put forward by them.

I thought it would be a good exercise in psychological profiling - you're next Smiley

First guess without even reading your posts is 21 - am I right?

[EDIT] you are not allowed to go and quickly remove your old posts as this is 'destruction of evidence'

..yawn
hero member
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Merit: 500
Next year I will be wishing I had bought more ASIC. Everyone will be.

Except people who bought into ASIC scams, which currently make up about 25% of the threads in this forum. Those people will be wishing they had bought less.

Just because BFL has an ASIC does not mean they can provide ASICs to everyone who ordered. There are still many ways for things to go bad:

What if the chips produced have issues? Poor design can result in binning issues that render a large amount of chips unusable.
What if they burned up all the cash? Lots of startups and fledgling businesses put too much into salaries and infrastructure and run out of funds before the product is ready.

I worry that there are still too many what-ifs while they have such a huge backlog of unshipped orders. Venture capital companies would probably avoid them due to their president having a felony fraud conviction. Banks probably would not advance them factor credit for the same reason.

7 months late is a lot time to have a production line sitting around idle.

What if, what if, what if...
You sound more paranoid than Alex Jones.
What if the price of bitcoin falls to a dollar tomorrow. What if I get hit by a bus.
Investing is risky. I mine as a hedge for holding BTC. I make money mining, and I make money holding. It works. Like I said. I have FPGA units, and I am happy with them. Other than delays (which I fully expected, due to Moore's Law) I am pretty happy with BFL.

First of all:
Name:   chalidore
Account created: May 18, 2013, 11:05:58 PM

I what if'ed things that have already gone wrong.
Their chips had issues, they have had to go back twice (by their own admission) and redo them. The chips are still under performing.
They admitted that they have had a production line idle for 7 months.

There are things you can anticipate going wrong like bad design, overly optimistic planning, aggressive performance goals. Worrying about things like that is not being paranoid, it is called doing your homework.
You said what if BFL runs out of money. How does a company that makes money-making machines (the leading company in the industry) run out of money? Seriously, what are the odds of that happening?
Just because my account is new, does not mean I am new to Bitcoin.
Check Deepbit. I am the owner of ROBOT-ARMY. I have mined over 2500 bitcoins on Deepbit and over 200 on Slush. I have been putting off making an account on this forum because I don't feel like spending a lot of my time educating a bunch of stupid trolls. I had originally planned to use this forum to get rid of my GPU mining gear and buy ASIC/FPGA. It was never my intention to waste my time arguing with trolls. So much for that.

oooo big bitcoin baller chiladore.... noones cares how many you have mined, neither do we care about robot army or whatever crap you just said,
your answer back was really unintelligent , the point which K9quaint is making is that you can't dismiss 'what ifs'.
sure you could get hit by a bus tomorrow however if you use the green man lights as appose to walking across during moving traffic, you will have less of a chance of getting hit by a bus, its called RISK ASSESSMENT AND RISK LEVERAGING. which is vital for survival in anything.
Now BFL IS PLAGUED AND RIDDLED WITH RISKS ON A PRODUCT THATS HARDLY BEEN SHIPPED. on a risk scale out of ten i would give BFL a '9'
so yes you can buy BFL products, you can also go on satoshi dice and gamble 2500 bitcoins at a 100/1 odds
why arn't you doing that Chilladore, for the same reason people shouldn't buy BFL products
UNNESECCARY RISK
chiladore - troll
Your grammar is awful, and the all caps thing is so last century.
The amount of Bitcoin I have mined is totally relevant, as this is a mining forum. Anyone can go to Deepbit and see what I have mined.
I use the Bitcoin I have mined to buy new gear. I hit ROI on my gear almost a year ago, so I am risking nothing.
Some people like to wait for the light to turn green, even if there are no cars around. I have noticed when I am downtown large groups of people will stand on a corner waiting for a light to change, even though there are no cars coming. I usually jay walk in these situations, and when I do, several people that were standing there waiting follow me. Some people are afraid to go against a red light without someone else stepping off the curb first, and some refuse to walk until after the light turns green, but the anarchist that stepped off the curb first knows the satisfaction of leadership, and will also get to work/lunch before the followers do.
I don't work downtown anymore anyway. I quit my stupid job and became a full-time Bitcoin miner.
Call me a troll if you want. At least I didn't troll so hard that I lost my place in line for my ASIC. That would be the most epic troll fail ever.

tag team sock puppets.... i finally have to resort ignoring int03h and now another one shows up !!

lets see how smug and happy u r when they

1) Avalons 400,000 chips come online in August
2) go under taking your cash (probably around the same time) ...lol

You need to get your units in the next 4 weeks or u are screwed....

Full time and using BFL as your business plan .... thats impressive...i can see that u r a risk taker

....base jumping
....bull riding
....boxing with bears

Good luck with that

hero member
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The ONE thing BFL has done well through all their endless shell games is to keep the money coming in while nothing but bs goes out...even this will eventually come to an end. I dunno if this is the beginning of the end or no, but I think their behavior is becoming increasingly outrageous. This seems indicative of a collapsing house of cards.

I don't consider myself to be a paranoid person, but I've little doubt that there are pro BFL sockpuppet/shills plying their trade on the bitcointalk stage.

Just wait for it. BFL is pretty silent these days.

Not much produced but talk if any at all.

Let's assume they have a working line of hardware at their now newly advertised specs.

Do any of us really believe they have enough money to satisfy all outstanding pre-orders in the queue of 11 months?

Hell no.

BFL does not want to talk about this because if they do then any attempt to sucker in more pre-order money is in vain. They are praying right now that enough suckers order their vaporware and are willing to wait....1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11+ months for their order.

The writing is on the wall and soon BFL and Josh's face will be on wanted posters if they do not run like wussies.

This is called trading while insolvent and is against the LAW in any country  ...this little i do know
sr. member
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If you are comparing the risks of satoshi dice to the risk of buying ASIC, you have no business on this sub-forum. Congratulations bitwhiz, you get my first ignore.
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