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Quote from: Inedible on November 11, 2014, 03:07:37 AM

Quote from: ElGrandJefe on November 11, 2014, 03:03:47 AM

You're still convinced that you're right and everyone else as wrong, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Which is justified in your opinion, since in your mind, you're smarter and better than everyone else in the entire world. I'll be you even have business cards (printed at BFL expense, natch) that say "Joshua R. Zerlan - SUPER GENIUS".

What else would you expect him to say now? If he makes any admission of guilt, it's prison time.
Even if he realises he's done wrong now, he has a vested interest in maintaining his previous thinking.
I've gone from disliking him to feeling sorry for him. I can't imagine what it takes to turn a person into the person he is now. He's also either terrified of what's going to happen to him or he's sociopathic - either way, this is someone's son. They must feel disappointed that this is what he's become.

Here is a test I would love to see Josh take and honestly answer.

http://www.truthaboutdeception.com/surveys/2-compulsive-lying.html

Considering what we've learned of him over the last 10 years (see: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-ksd-2_03-cv-02287/content-detail.html) I'm a little bit curious about Josh Zerlan's childhood and formative years.

Further reading:
http://blog.chron.com/loveandrelationships/2013/01/liars-who-believe-their-lies-are-pathological/
http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2009/05/narcissism-pathological-lying-and.html
http://www.daviddrury.com/2013/01/30/10-ways-lies-grow-stage-6-they-tell-it-to-themselves/
http://www.today.com/health/believe-it-why-partial-truth-feels-worse-total-lie-2D12001361
http://ia802308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.docket.html

EDIT: Bonus reading: http://www.truthaboutdeception.com/lying-and-deception/confronting-a-partner/compulsive-lying/confront-cl.html

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Quote from: Inedible on November 11, 2014, 03:07:37 AM

What else would you expect him to say now? If he makes any admission of guilt, it's prison time.

If prison time is in the cards, judges are usually more sympathetic when the perps show remorse.

Quote from: Inedible on November 11, 2014, 03:07:37 AM

Even if he realises he's done wrong now, he has a vested interest in maintaining his previous thinking.

He has a vested interest in looking like an insanely compulsive liar? If you say so.

Quote from: Inedible on November 11, 2014, 03:07:37 AM

I've gone from disliking him to feeling sorry for him.

That's called Stockholm Syndrome. It's treatable if you work on it.

Quote from: Inedible on November 11, 2014, 03:07:37 AM

I can't imagine what it takes to turn a person into the person he is now. He's also either terrified of what's going to happen to him or he's sociopathic - either way, this is someone's son. They must feel disappointed that this is what he's become.

I'm sure Josh is still telling them that everything's hunky-dory. But I don't really care either way.

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Quote from: ElGrandJefe on November 11, 2014, 03:03:47 AM

You're still convinced that you're right and everyone else as wrong, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Which is justified in your opinion, since in your mind, you're smarter and better than everyone else in the entire world. I'll be you even have business cards (printed at BFL expense, natch) that say "Joshua R. Zerlan - SUPER GENIUS".

What else would you expect him to say now? If he makes any admission of guilt, it's prison time.

Even if he realises he's done wrong now, he has a vested interest in maintaining his previous thinking.

I've gone from disliking him to feeling sorry for him. I can't imagine what it takes to turn a person into the person he is now. He's also either terrified of what's going to happen to him or he's sociopathic - either way, this is someone's son. They must feel disappointed that this is what he's become.

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Quote from: Inaba on November 11, 2014, 02:08:06 AM

Quote from: ElGrandJefe on November 10, 2014, 05:50:57 PM

Who's the liar, Josh? You or the monumental assholes on the Internet?

That would clearly be you.

BZZT - wrong answer. I wouldn't expect anything else of you at this point, of course. You're still convinced that you're right and everyone else as wrong, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Which is justified in your opinion, since in your mind, you're smarter and better than everyone else in the entire world. I'll bet you even have business cards (printed at BFL expense, natch) that say "Joshua R. Zerlan - SUPER GENIUS".

Your condition is clearly pathological. You can't move your lips or touch a keyboard without a lie coming out. You spending all that time in the BFL echo chamber with the other grifters, sociopaths, and criminals only amplified your worst megalomaniac tendencies.

As others have said, you really should get help before it's too late. But I suspect it already is.

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Quote from: Inaba on November 11, 2014, 02:08:06 AM

Quote from: Puppet on November 10, 2014, 06:22:02 PM

Now who's "inaccurate" ? Its not the FTC that seized your funds, nor is it the FTC that limited operations. it was a federal court. Can you not tell the difference?

Which was... wait for it... instigated by the FTC. Do you think Federal courts just randomly hand things out without prompting by some party? Do you think the Federal court is overseeing operations? What a moron...

IT doesnt matter who instigated it (and the FTC isnt exactly alone in filing suits). You are bound by court rulings, the funds held by a court appointed trustee. A court wouldnt decide that without proper reason. Or do you think the judge is a moron?

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Quote from: Inaba on November 11, 2014, 02:08:06 AM

Quote from: ElGrandJefe on November 10, 2014, 05:50:57 PM

Who's the liar, Josh? You or the monumental assholes on the Internet?

That would clearly be you.

Quote from: Puppet on November 10, 2014, 06:22:02 PM

Now who's "inaccurate" ? Its not the FTC that seized your funds, nor is it the FTC that limited operations. it was a federal court. Can you not tell the difference?

Which was... wait for it... instigated by the FTC. Do you think Federal courts just randomly hand things out without prompting by some party? Do you think the Federal court is overseeing operations? What a moron...

That party was the hundreds (thousands?) of customers you pissed off.

http://ia802308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.docket.html

You brought this on yourself. You still refuse to acknowledge that, and are playing the victim card very well.

Xian01

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I thought Butterfly Labs owned Eclipse Mining Consortium (EMC).

What's this "difference" argument ?

http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.42.19.pdf
http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.42.20.pdf

MS. MITHAL: This is the deposition of Josh Zerlan in the matter of FTC versus Butterfly Labs, Inc., Case No. 4-CV-815 WBCW, pending in the Western District of Missouri

This one is great, where Josh's attorney advises him not to answer the question. I can't imagine why Wink

... On Eclipse Mining Consortium Ownership

Inaba

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Quote from: ElGrandJefe on November 10, 2014, 05:50:57 PM

Who's the liar, Josh? You or the monumental assholes on the Internet?

That would clearly be you.

Quote from: Puppet on November 10, 2014, 06:22:02 PM

Now who's "inaccurate" ? Its not the FTC that seized your funds, nor is it the FTC that limited operations. it was a federal court. Can you not tell the difference?

Which was... wait for it... instigated by the FTC. Do you think Federal courts just randomly hand things out without prompting by some party? Do you think the Federal court is overseeing operations? What a moron...

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He's too busy measuring his future cell. Inibia, you should go with more earth tone colors and maybe some modernist art. Then Bubba and you can have some romantic times snuggling. Going to be a long decade or so.

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Quote from: Inaba on November 10, 2014, 05:01:39 PM

You got THAT one wrong? You get EVERY ONE wrong, come on... at least be a little accurate.

How rich is that, coming from you.

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As far as your Jalapeno goes, I suggest you contact the FTC and ask them. If you are considering it stolen, then the FTC is the one you should be seeking compensation from.

Now who's "inaccurate" ? Its not the FTC that seized your funds, nor is it the FTC that limited operations. it was a federal court. Can you not tell the difference?

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That's it, point your finger and blame the FTC again, like a good sonny's boy.

Tell us again how this whole thing is a particularly persistent rumor, Josh. Of all the lies you've told, I think that's my favorite. Because it proves that you just can't keep yourself from lying, even when the truth comes in the form of a bunch of federal agents swooping in and shutting your crooked company down.

Tell it one more time, like you did on September 20th, when you already knew the truth, as you testified to the judge under oath - on September 25th - that Sonny told you about the raid on Friday (the 19th).

The damage had already been done, the truth was out there, but all you could do was lie, lie, lie. Like you did with the BitForce development timeline. Like you did with the Monarch development timeline. Like you did when you said BFL didn't mine on customer equipment.

Who's the liar, Josh? You or the monumental assholes on the Internet?

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Quote from: Inaba on November 10, 2014, 04:31:34 PM

You should take your own advice. Not only are you bad at math, but apparently you are completely unable to distinguish between BFL and EMC.

Make sure you check your own FACTS before you try to post and make yourself look like a complete idiot. Although you've proven you're very good at that with just about every post your make.

Okay, I got that one wrong. My mistake.
Pretty hard to tell the difference between what crap you're spouting about what nowadays... though it could technically be argued that it's still BFL though as they own EMC.

Oh what I posted was a fact. It was stated by BFL employees and is listed by the FAQ, which does contradict what you stated whilst under testimony. You might want to reign in your ego just a wee bit and maybe be just a wee bit humble. We've know for a FACT that you're a liar, especially as you've now stated categorically contrary information.... "Oh we're mining on test-in-a-box"/"We mine on EMC" and "Oh we convert all BTC immediately to USD"/25,000+ bitcoin in BFL wallets.

Oh and about the maths.... looks like my maths was pretty accurate after all. How do you like them apples?

Everytime I start to feel bad for the principals of BFL, you just come on in and open your mouth. Then I often think "What a bunch of twats. Deserve everything they get...". The Greeks called it hubris, and you suffer from it greatly...

Whilst I've got your attention, any idea when I'm actually going to get my RMA'd Jalapeno back? Or shall I just chalk that one up to theft?

You got THAT one wrong? You get EVERY ONE wrong, come on... at least be a little accurate.

As for it being FACT that I'm a liar, I suggest you look up the definition of FACT. You apparently are unable to understand what a FACT is, just like you are unable to understand the difference between BFL and EMC.

As far as your Jalapeno goes, I suggest you contact the FTC and ask them. If you are considering it stolen, then the FTC is the one you should be seeking compensation from.

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Quote from: Inaba on November 02, 2014, 12:59:31 AM

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on November 02, 2014, 12:53:34 AM

Quote from: Inaba on November 01, 2014, 11:19:20 PM

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on November 01, 2014, 10:14:40 PM

Quote from: Inaba on November 01, 2014, 12:40:01 PM

You're going to have a long wait...

That's not very funny. You can do better than that. Oh, I turned you in to the SEC too for the pool and exchanging bitcoins into cash to pay for the cost of the mining equipment you sold. That made you an exchange you dumbass and they agreed. ROFL

Huh good thing that never happened then. I wonder if there is any penalty for lying to the Sec. Guess you will find out. He sure to let me know.

Sorry sweetheart but I copied the threads where you admitted that you couldn't refund people bitcoins when the price went up because you exchanged them to dollars. You're fucked. LOL

Lie much?

Quote from: BFL_StevenM

Currency exchanges can be confusing:

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Quote Originally Posted by New_curency_exchange_user
Hello people,

My order number was number XXXX, and I asked for a refund. I only got XX BTC and not the XXX BTC I paid.

We get this kind of comment a lot, and here's the answer.

Butterfly Labs conducts all customer transactions in U.S. Dollars. For the convenience of customers, payment processors are used, namely PayPal and BitPay. The primary function of the payment processors is automatic conversion of other currencies to and from U.S. Dollars using the exchange rates that exist at the time of the transaction. A further function of BitPay enables display of the bitcoin (BTC) currency equivalent of the U.S. Dollar amount which applies to a specific order. We display this BTC value to customers during checkout, but only when BTC is selected by the customer. BitPay guarantees the quoted exchange value for fifteen minutes, as a courtesy and a hedge against short-term fluctuations of the exchange rate.

Taken from here. Make sure you check your own FAQ's before you call people liars.

You should take your own advice. Not only are you bad at math, but apparently you are completely unable to distinguish between BFL and EMC.

Make sure you check your own FACTS before you try to post and make yourself look like a complete idiot. Although you've proven you're very good at that with just about every post your make.

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Quote from: Searing on November 07, 2014, 09:48:16 PM

Quote from: charleshoskinson on November 07, 2014, 08:11:39 PM

Josh, if you get sent to a colorado prison, then I'll visit you within two weeks. Cool

hell rent a 'tour bus' and charge.....you'd prob get a lot of us to pony up for that trip (I can see it now about 9 tour buses...chugging down
the highway all chanting as they go down the road "any time now" and soon TM BFL....etc man what a bunch of happy drunks that would be....

(i get all misty eyed just thinking about such a 'road trip')

You would think there would be a chance for those impacted (scammed by BFL) would get to have a day in court before sentencing to make statements?

That be a good thing to get organized for.

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Quote from: MichaelBliss on November 05, 2014, 09:50:08 AM

Quote from: Inaba on November 02, 2014, 12:59:31 AM

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on November 02, 2014, 12:53:34 AM

Quote from: Inaba on November 01, 2014, 11:19:20 PM

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on November 01, 2014, 10:14:40 PM

Quote from: Inaba on November 01, 2014, 12:40:01 PM

You're going to have a long wait...

That's not very funny. You can do better than that. Oh, I turned you in to the SEC too for the pool and exchanging bitcoins into cash to pay for the cost of the mining equipment you sold. That made you an exchange you dumbass and they agreed. ROFL

Huh good thing that never happened then. I wonder if there is any penalty for lying to the Sec. Guess you will find out. He sure to let me know.

Sorry sweetheart but I copied the threads where you admitted that you couldn't refund people bitcoins when the price went up because you exchanged them to dollars. You're fucked. LOL

Lie much?

I've been following this off and on for a few years, and am really starting to feel sorry for you. I say this without any malice - you are clearly very sick and in need of psychiatric help. I'm not sure what quality of help you will get in prison, so I urge you to seek professional help now, while you can choose for yourself, before you are locked up and only have the prison psychiatrist to help you. With a lot of work, I think there is a chance for you to be restored as functioning member of society. But you do need help - that's obvious for all to see.

Psychopathy, along with borderline personality disorder and malignant narcissism, is an incurable personality disorder.

Does this sound like Josh Zerlan? Yes, yes it does.

Psychopaths are Losers who view themselves as Leaders. As we’ve seen, unless there’s a specific advantage for him, a psychopath never admits to being wrong, to doing wrong, to having wronged anyone.

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Quote from: charleshoskinson on November 07, 2014, 08:11:39 PM

Josh, if you get sent to a colorado prison, then I'll visit you within two weeks. Cool

List of BURN centers for you Josh.

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Quote from: Searing on November 07, 2014, 09:48:16 PM

Quote from: charleshoskinson on November 07, 2014, 08:11:39 PM

Josh, if you get sent to a colorado prison, then I'll visit you within two weeks. Cool

hell rent a 'tour bus' and charge.....you'd prob get a lot of us to pony up for that trip (I can see it now about 9 tour buses...chugging down
the highway all chanting as they go down the road "any time now" and soon TM BFL....etc man what a bunch of happy drunks that would be....

(i get all misty eyed just thinking about such a 'road trip')

I'll take two tickets. I've wasted money on much less entertaining vacations.

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Quote from: charleshoskinson on November 07, 2014, 08:11:39 PM

Josh, if you get sent to a colorado prison, then I'll visit you within two weeks. Cool

hell rent a 'tour bus' and charge.....you'd prob get a lot of us to pony up for that trip (I can see it now about 9 tour buses...chugging down
the highway all chanting as they go down the road "any time now" and soon TM BFL....etc man what a bunch of happy drunks that would be....

(i get all misty eyed just thinking about such a 'road trip')

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Josh, if you get sent to a colorado prison, then I'll visit you within two weeks. Cool

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Quote from: Inaba on November 02, 2014, 12:59:31 AM

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on November 02, 2014, 12:53:34 AM

Quote from: Inaba on November 01, 2014, 11:19:20 PM

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on November 01, 2014, 10:14:40 PM

Quote from: Inaba on November 01, 2014, 12:40:01 PM

You're going to have a long wait...

That's not very funny. You can do better than that. Oh, I turned you in to the SEC too for the pool and exchanging bitcoins into cash to pay for the cost of the mining equipment you sold. That made you an exchange you dumbass and they agreed. ROFL

Huh good thing that never happened then. I wonder if there is any penalty for lying to the Sec. Guess you will find out. He sure to let me know.

Sorry sweetheart but I copied the threads where you admitted that you couldn't refund people bitcoins when the price went up because you exchanged them to dollars. You're fucked. LOL

Lie much?

I've been following this off and on for a few years, and am really starting to feel sorry for you. I say this without any malice - you are clearly very sick and in need of psychiatric help. I'm not sure what quality of help you will get in prison, so I urge you to seek professional help now, while you can choose for yourself, before you are locked up and only have the prison psychiatrist to help you. With a lot of work, I think there is a chance for you to be restored as functioning member of society. But you do need help - that's obvious for all to see.

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