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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.

Quote from: Inaba on November 23, 2014, 12:25:54 PM

Well, there you go, lying again. I did not and have never created sock puppet accounts... so any statement to the contrary is, by definition, a lie. But what's to be expected from someone of your caliber? Unable to admit that they are wrong and unable to back up any assertions with facts. Unlike myself, as I said, I back up all my assertions with facts and evidence. You do neither of those things.

I have deleted no posts from this forum. Well, that's not true, I've deleted the occasional post just after posting it... but if a post has been left up for any length of time, I do not delete it and rarely edit it. If any of my posts are deleted, you'll have to talk to a moderator about that. Again, unlike you, I have nothing to hide and stand behind my posts, even if they may end up being wrong. You, on the other hand, post mostly false information and outright lies, so it's rather immaterial if you delete them or not, since the majority of them, like the one above, contain nothing but lies.

Well that's quite a statement. However, I am willing to testify in court under oath that I witnessed the account you are posting from now threaten to withhold the delivery of mining equipment. Hum, what's that FTC contact email again?

Inaba

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Well, there you go, lying again. I did not and have never created sock puppet accounts... so any statement to the contrary is, by definition, a lie. But what's to be expected from someone of your caliber? Unable to admit that they are wrong and unable to back up any assertions with facts. Unlike myself, as I said, I back up all my assertions with facts and evidence. You do neither of those things.

I have deleted no posts from this forum. Well, that's not true, I've deleted the occasional post just after posting it... but if a post has been left up for any length of time, I do not delete it and rarely edit it. If any of my posts are deleted, you'll have to talk to a moderator about that. Again, unlike you, I have nothing to hide and stand behind my posts, even if they may end up being wrong. You, on the other hand, post mostly false information and outright lies, so it's rather immaterial if you delete them or not, since the majority of them, like the one above, contain nothing but lies.

QuestionAuthority

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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.

Quote from: Inaba on November 23, 2014, 11:59:15 AM

Quote from: QuestionAuthority on November 23, 2014, 04:02:17 AM

Quote from: Inaba on November 22, 2014, 11:33:43 PM

Yeah, apparently they do, which is why I figured you'd show up.

How proud I am that this fine forum has respected "Legendary" members such as yourself to guide the new members.

I'm curious about one thing. Did you ever count the number of sock puppet accounts you made? I'm guessing they number in the hundreds. I remember watching an argument between you and Garr where more socks appeared than I could count. It was so stupid to watch. This new member suddenly appears with one post, is cognizant of the issue being discussed and interjects into the conversation like a pro. Hilarious!

Yes, I have zero sock puppets. I have two accounts, my personal account, this one and my BFL account, BFL_Josh, which I haven't logged into in a long time. I may have a third account I made years ago but I have not used or logged into it for years. Beyond that, I have no other accounts nor do I use any other accounts. Same goes for the BFL forums. Unlike you and many others, I don't need sock puppets to try to prop up my points. See, the problem with you is that your points and arguments are so thin and shaky, you need people to agree with you. My points are all backed up by facts and evidence, so they don't need sock puppets.

You might want to try it sometime.

I don't know why you won't admit it. It's not illegal to have sock puppet accounts and I know you're lying. I watched you quickly making accounts to argue with Garr. I also checked those accounts later and found that all the posts had been deleted or those accounts never posted again. It was blatantly obvious that they were controlled by you. To be fair, Garr was also making sock puppet accounts during that argument. By the way, did you delete all of your posts in that thread where you were holding delivery of Garrs order over his head to control him?

Inaba

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Quote from: QuestionAuthority on November 23, 2014, 04:02:17 AM

Quote from: Inaba on November 22, 2014, 11:33:43 PM

Yeah, apparently they do, which is why I figured you'd show up.

How proud I am that this fine forum has respected "Legendary" members such as yourself to guide the new members.

I'm curious about one thing. Did you ever count the number of sock puppet accounts you made? I'm guessing they number in the hundreds. I remember watching an argument between you and Garr where more socks appeared than I could count. It was so stupid to watch. This new member suddenly appears with one post, is cognizant of the issue being discussed and interjects into the conversation like a pro. Hilarious!

Yes, I have zero sock puppets. I have two accounts, my personal account, this one and my BFL account, BFL_Josh, which I haven't logged into in a long time. I may have a third account I made years ago but I have not used or logged into it for years. Beyond that, I have no other accounts nor do I use any other accounts. Same goes for the BFL forums. Unlike you and many others, I don't need sock puppets to try to prop up my points. See, the problem with you is that your points and arguments are so thin and shaky, you need people to agree with you. My points are all backed up by facts and evidence, so they don't need sock puppets.

You might want to try it sometime.

QuestionAuthority

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You lead and I'll watch you walk away.

Quote from: Inaba on November 22, 2014, 11:33:43 PM

Yeah, apparently they do, which is why I figured you'd show up.

How proud I am that this fine forum has respected "Legendary" members such as yourself to guide the new members.

I'm curious about one thing. Did you ever count the number of sock puppet accounts you made? I'm guessing they number in the hundreds. I remember watching an argument between you and Garr where more socks appeared than I could count. It was so stupid to watch. This new member suddenly appears with one post, is cognizant of the issue being discussed and interjects into the conversation like a pro. Hilarious!

Inaba

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Yeah, apparently they do, which is why I figured you'd show up.

eoakland

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Quote from: Inaba on November 11, 2014, 02:08:06 AM

Quote from: ElGrandJefe on November 10, 2014, 05:50:57 PM

Who's the liar, Josh? You or the monumental assholes on the Internet?

That would clearly be you.

Quote from: Puppet on November 10, 2014, 06:22:02 PM

Now who's "inaccurate" ? Its not the FTC that seized your funds, nor is it the FTC that limited operations. it was a federal court. Can you not tell the difference?

Which was... wait for it... instigated by the FTC. Do you think Federal courts just randomly hand things out without prompting by some party? Do you think the Federal court is overseeing operations? What a moron...

Josh, it's hard to believe that you are still posting on the forum. I guess crooks really do return back to the scene of the crime.

darkmule

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Quote from: MooC Tals on November 21, 2014, 12:21:49 PM

This one is great, where Josh's attorney advises him not to answer the question. I can't imagine why Wink

A bit of silly buggers there, actually. Generally almost anything is fair game in a deposition. If the plaintiffs felt like it, they could probably get a motion to compel testimony (and the other side gets slapped with the attorney fees for such a motion if you win it). I guess they didn't feel like the hassle, but there's some reason they didn't want that question answered.

supbits

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http://ia802308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.166.1.pdf

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During the course of this investigation, I found multiple instances wherein Butterfly Labs attested to the profitability of their mining machines. True and correct copies of such statements are attached here as Atts. C – F.

One of the attached threads includes a post from username “Inaba,” which is a username utilized by Josh Zerlan, VP Product Development for Butterfly Labs. Mr. Zerlan identified himself as the individual behind username “Inaba” on a separate thread posted on bitcointalk.org on September 11, 2012. Mr. Zerlan further explains that his other username is “BFL_Josh” when posting on the forum threads. A true and correct copy of this post is available upon request.

lmao. there's even more in the document.

mindrust

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Wow, i am surprised to be honest.

Being the sector leader and coming with this scam??

Disrespectful, unbelieveble. Shame on you butterfly.

L3G1T

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Woooow that's unbelievable to be honest.

eoakland

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Inaba/Josh is a dirtbag

MooC Tals

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Quote from: Xian01 on November 11, 2014, 02:22:32 AM

I thought Butterfly Labs owned Eclipse Mining Consortium (EMC).

What's this "difference" argument ?

http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.42.19.pdf
http://ia902308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.42.20.pdf

MS. MITHAL: This is the deposition of Josh Zerlan in the matter of FTC versus Butterfly Labs, Inc., Case No. 4-CV-815 WBCW, pending in the Western District of Missouri

This one is great, where Josh's attorney advises him not to answer the question. I can't imagine why Wink

... On Eclipse Mining Consortium Ownership

MY AVATAR SAY'S IT ALL. The biggest scummy scamming bags of shit I have come across. Fucken lying sacks a dog shit.

They burn equipment you pay for on a pool that competes with existing equipment and hold that paid for product till it basically has no more relevance as a bitcoin miner.

As a thank you they even make you pay for shipping.

Anyone who buys from BigFuckenLiars is an absolute moron. << This statement will never be taken back

ibminer

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Goonies never say die.

Quote from: Inaba on November 10, 2014, 05:01:39 PM

You got THAT one wrong? You get EVERY ONE wrong, come on... at least be a little accurate.

As for it being FACT that I'm a liar, I suggest you look up the definition of FACT. You apparently are unable to understand what a FACT is, just like you are unable to understand the difference between BFL and EMC.

As far as your Jalapeno goes, I suggest you contact the FTC and ask them. If you are considering it stolen, then the FTC is the one you should be seeking compensation from.

Quote from: Inaba on November 11, 2014, 02:08:06 AM

Quote from: ElGrandJefe on November 10, 2014, 05:50:57 PM

Who's the liar, Josh? You or the monumental assholes on the Internet?

That would clearly be you.

Quote from: Puppet on November 10, 2014, 06:22:02 PM

Now who's "inaccurate" ? Its not the FTC that seized your funds, nor is it the FTC that limited operations. it was a federal court. Can you not tell the difference?

Which was... wait for it... instigated by the FTC. Do you think Federal courts just randomly hand things out without prompting by some party? Do you think the Federal court is overseeing operations? What a moron...

If I were to jump into warped Josh world for a second, then why would we not be taking this one step further and say you are blaming your own customers, whom are likely the ones who complained to the FTC in the first place, aren't they the true instigators? Shouldn't they be seeking compensation from themselves? Shocked

And didn't you recently tell someone to lookup the definition of a FACT? Shocked

Seek help Josh Kiss

1echo

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scams hunter!

whos suprised? not me!

BitcoinINV

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Hey Josh remember me? You called me a Mental Giant for ousting your unethical business practices to my attorney general

When the civil suit goes through would you like to be rehired as a maid when I own BFL, always looking for a smart mouth janitor.

Xian01

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Christian Antkow

Quote from: Endlessa on November 15, 2014, 10:09:21 AM

It was like BFL/Josh was GlaDOS from portal, constantly shouting insults at customers as they navigate some physics defying maze that has no true purpose, except to pass the time while we all wait for the cake to be ready.

Again, in retrospect, I apologize for losing my cool like I did. Please believe me when I say it really took a lot of bullshit to get me that riled up.

While I'm not proud of it, I do take some small measure of comfort knowing that my rage was justified, given how things turned out, and the evidence that has come to light since then.

http://ia802308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.docket.html

darkmule

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Quote from: Puppet on November 11, 2014, 03:03:35 AM

IT doesnt matter who instigated it (and the FTC isnt exactly alone in filing suits). You are bound by court rulings, the funds held by a court appointed trustee. A court wouldnt decide that without proper reason. Or do you think the judge is a moron?

Like many sociopaths, he thinks he is the smartest person in the room and everyone else is a moron. So of course he thinks that. People like this can be pimp-slapped by reality again and again without ever learning a thing.

Endlessa

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After having sat here and watched this whole "Event" for the last 2 years-ish and finally having gotten out of it right before FTC shuttered them, I've felt like I was part of some strange social experiment and was held hostage to it. Stuck between customers like Xian exploding from stress and rage, BFL's *cough* customer support, and Josh hitting the hornet's nest with a sledge hammer. It was just short of needing therapy. Now that I'm out, my life is much happier and I only check btc to see where the price is, what the news is, and making sure my automated buy in is working as I intended. It was like BFL/Josh was Gladus from portal, constantly shouting insults at customers as they navigate some physics defying maze that has no true purpose, except to pass the time while we all wait for the cake to be ready. Every now and then, I has sad about opportunities lost/stolen, so I head to youtube and listen to this song:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y6ljFaKRTrI

The parallels make me laugh, in a dark humor sad way, so I just laugh a little, shed a small tear and move on. I hope it helps somebody else digest this horrible meal we've all been served.

opieum2

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LMAO, if they are dishonest with us, do you REALLY REALLY think they will be honest with themselves? Socipaths are deluded individuals with delusions of grandeur. THink about it. Buying a home with bitcoin, all with money made with hardware that was already bought by us. You can't expect them to be honest with themselves least of all. It would imply they are capable of feeling guilty. Something a sociopath CANNOT do.

bcp19 aka Bruce Peterson, took one of those tests and came up a 4 on it. Which is total BS considering his actions. All it states is he lies to himself as much as he lies to all of us. And clearly the BFL crew is on here trying to clear their name but hitting roadblocks every time something called facts actually hits them in the face.

Quote from: Xian01 on November 11, 2014, 06:50:30 AM

Quote from: Inedible on November 11, 2014, 03:07:37 AM

Quote from: ElGrandJefe on November 11, 2014, 03:03:47 AM

You're still convinced that you're right and everyone else as wrong, despite the overwhelming evidence to the contrary. Which is justified in your opinion, since in your mind, you're smarter and better than everyone else in the entire world. I'll be you even have business cards (printed at BFL expense, natch) that say "Joshua R. Zerlan - SUPER GENIUS".

What else would you expect him to say now? If he makes any admission of guilt, it's prison time.
Even if he realises he's done wrong now, he has a vested interest in maintaining his previous thinking.
I've gone from disliking him to feeling sorry for him. I can't imagine what it takes to turn a person into the person he is now. He's also either terrified of what's going to happen to him or he's sociopathic - either way, this is someone's son. They must feel disappointed that this is what he's become.

Here is a test I would love to see Josh take and honestly answer.

http://www.truthaboutdeception.com/surveys/2-compulsive-lying.html

Considering what we've learned of him over the last 10 years (see: http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/USCOURTS-ksd-2_03-cv-02287/content-detail.html) I'm a little bit curious about Josh Zerlan's childhood and formative years.

Further reading:
http://blog.chron.com/loveandrelationships/2013/01/liars-who-believe-their-lies-are-pathological/
http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2009/05/narcissism-pathological-lying-and.html
http://www.daviddrury.com/2013/01/30/10-ways-lies-grow-stage-6-they-tell-it-to-themselves/
http://www.today.com/health/believe-it-why-partial-truth-feels-worse-total-lie-2D12001361
http://ia802308.us.archive.org/32/items/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531/gov.uscourts.mowd.117531.docket.html

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