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September 18, 2024, 05:10:40 AM
If you don't have good knowledge about investment or if you don't have skill in this matter but you can't be very successful in investing

Bitcoin investment is not like other investment that you need to have a good knowledge on before you can start investing because you will be wasting the time that you are suppose use to be accumulating bitcoin and building your bitcoin portfolio. A new investor who wants to start his bitcoin investment only needs to know about the basic knowledge of bitcoin and after that he is to figure out how much from his discretionary income that he will use to buy bitcoin without stressing himself so that he can keep his regular DCA ongoing for 4-10 years and above.

The new investor can be investing and learning more about bitcoin at the same time whike he keeps on growing and building his bitcoin investment. If you want to have good knowledge it is when you are investing that you are learning more because there are some aspect of bitcoin that you can only learn through experience and not theory. Like hodli in a long-term because that messes up with your emotions and you will learn how to control your emotions only when you are investing and have bitcoin in your possession.

Discipline and consistent mindset to be your bitcoin investment ongoing is through practice.

I learned about investment, I should do regular market observation for a few days before investing.  

There is no need for a new investor to observe the market for somedays or weeks before getting started because he might miss out the opportunity in the market for delaying to buy bitcoin right away. What if during the time that you are observing the market the price of bitcoin keeps increasing, and you think that is how the price will keep increasing and you bought. You have missed out buying at a cheaper price immediately. What if after you bought and the price started dipping, and went below your expectations.

There is no need for all of time because it is impossible for anyone to know the exact direction with bitcoin price will move to and observing the market cannot give you any idea of the price movement of bitcoin and that's why you should start buying bitcoin immediately you have the money since you are on a long term ride and you know that bitcoin is volatile so the price shouldn't be your concern but your concern should be to keep your bitcoin accumulation journey ongoing persistently overtime and learn whatever you want to learn because bitcoin investment is all about buying which does not take up to 20 minutes.
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September 18, 2024, 04:25:33 AM
Buying the dip is not only for the traders, those that made preparations for it can buy the dip if the plan is there especially with a reserve fund, but as for me am not much carried away with buying the dip so that I will not get in to any troubles of not sticking to my plans so as no to use the money that is meant for another thing for investment my plan is to focus on dcaing, and am good with it.
Just buy whenever you want to. It's true that buying the DIP isn't only for the traders but it is for everyone, literally all of us.
And if you're not that much carried away by buying the DIP, then it only means that you're not pressured at all.
This should be what investing is, we're free to do it whenever we want and no pressures at all because you know how long the market will stand for.
We should invest in such a way that we never feel pressured to invest. This cannot be done when we want to stay away from investing when it feels pressured to us. Before investing we can plan long term but there is no problem if we invest consistently with less amount of money. If we keep depositing money little by little, then the amount of money will be much more at one time, similarly if we continue to invest little by little then the amount of investment will be much more at one time. Basically our objective is to invest and maintain investment continuity as well as hold investment for long term. It is difficult for many but the simpler we take it the easier it is for us to do it. Since investment is our personal matter, no one outside will interfere with the amount of money we have invested here, so we can make long-term investment plans if we want.
Essentially we can set aside floating cash and bitcoin deposits from discretionary income to make long-term bitcoin investment decisions and we should always focus on our strengths. Some investors make impulsive investment decisions but they need to strategize themselves by following a sustainable holding pattern on their long-term basis. Although low-income investors need to burn more time to get a decent portfolio, if they have patience and accumulate bitcoins at regular intervals, it is a Time can be greatly improved even if it requires more than two cycles. Build a backup fund to save yourself from unwanted stress while running Bitcoin deposits and keep cash floating around to make every decision smooth in meeting your family's daily needs. As you accumulate a holding over time your financial strength will continue to grow as well as peace of mind.

When it comes to investing in Bitcoin, it is very important to maintain regular investment consistency. Investing small portions regularly over long term eventually turns into a big asset, besides increasing our investment portfolio in long-term holdings due to Bitcoin's high potential, it gives us a lot of profit.

But this requires long-term planning, and financial stability is essential because we have to maintain it regularly. A certain amount should be kept invested in DCA on a regular weekly or monthly basis. In this way, it will become a habit of ours to invest regularly, as a result, the investment pressure will be reduced and you will be able to continue investing for a long time, and continue holding.
The first and foremost way to be consistent in investing in Bitcoin is to have a specific investment plan and set reserve funds. Whenever investors have enough funds to invest, they will be able to continue their investments smoothly without any hindrance. If we are financially stable in terms of investment then we can buy Bitcoin whenever we want in any amount. If are talking about stress free investment then you need financial stability first because when we see bitcoin price going down in the market we get doubt and stress in our mind. So to get rid of this stress or uncertainty we need extra money so that when the market goes down we can use that money to buy bitcoins for stress free investment.
You should have made your point more clear to the novice investors who may not have a lot of money in hand when it comes to investing in Bitcoin but they want to get Bitcoin and tend to hold it for the long term. I think investors should continue to deposit a portion of their discretionary income weekly or monthly in case they may not have enough money and should create a backup fund to protect the investment in case of future long term DCA. It is important to keep yourself stress free while depositing bitcoins regularly and tend to focus on alternative income in real life while also combining the necessary ingredients to deposit bitcoins for the long term. If an investor expects higher profits from Bitcoin in the short term, he should change his expectations and try to hold long term holdings.
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September 18, 2024, 04:18:21 AM

I think deep buying is not a long-term investment strategy, it is a form of short-term market manipulation, although it can be profitable if executed correctly, but it is very important to distinguish between short-term strategic action and well-thought. -Out investment plan.
Actually long term investors can also utilise the dip buying strategy. But what is important is for them to back it up by continuous buying in the form of DCA either weekly or monthly while waiting for their maturity date. It will be more beneficial to the investor that he is making use of both DCA and dip strategies rather than just sticking to buying the dip alone

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Deep buying can be profitable but it also has risks, you diversify your portfolio and you allocate the ability to lose it.
By portfolio diversification are you suggesting that the investor should invest in landed properties? Or shit coins? Well for me the best advice I will give is that if an investor gotten enough Bitcoin in his portfolio and is confident that the Bitcoin he has accumulated over the years will be enough for him and his future generations then he can diversify by storing up cash reserves. I won't encourage such an investor to go and invest in any shit coins in the name of diversification. It is better to have Bitcoin and enough cash reserves than investing in any thing that will cause you troubles and sleepless nights. After all Bitcoin has been the most performing asset over the last decade. I rather keep my investment in Bitcoin where I will have rest of mind than investing in several stuffs I don't really understand.
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September 18, 2024, 03:40:13 AM

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..... Buying more units of Bitcoin during DIP periods is definitely not a mistake, no?

It is a mistake if the BTC price does not end up dipping,


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I'm not asking you whether Bitcoin will DIP or not. I'm asking if it's a mistake to look buy Bitcoin during DIP periods. Because it's obviously not a mistake to take advantage of opportunities for discounts and buy more units of Bitcoin for the same amount of investment.

But I agree to the fact that the current market is mainly for DCA. The Golden Opportunity to buy the DIP for the current cycle was when Bitcoin went below the 200-Weekly SMA. We were encouraging everyone who read this topic to take the opportunity and buy.
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September 18, 2024, 02:19:30 AM
When it comes to investing in Bitcoin, it is very important to maintain regular investment consistency. Investing small portions regularly over long term eventually turns into a big asset, besides increasing our investment portfolio in long-term holdings due to Bitcoin's high potential, it gives us a lot of profit.

But this requires long-term planning, and financial stability is essential because we have to maintain it regularly. A certain amount should be kept invested in DCA on a regular weekly or monthly basis. In this way, it will become a habit of ours to invest regularly, as a result, the investment pressure will be reduced and you will be able to continue investing for a long time, and continue holding.
The first and foremost way to be consistent in investing in Bitcoin is to have a specific investment plan and set reserve funds. Whenever investors have enough funds to invest, they will be able to continue their investments smoothly without any hindrance. If we are financially stable in terms of investment then we can buy Bitcoin whenever we want in any amount. If are talking about stress free investment then you need financial stability first because when we see bitcoin price going down in the market we get doubt and stress in our mind. So to get rid of this stress or uncertainty we need extra money so that when the market goes down we can use that money to buy bitcoins for stress free investment.
Yes of course, having a reserve fund is very important for investment consistency.

What are the uses of having reserve fund?

Firstly Having an emergency fund allows us to continue investing risk-free, Because we can handle any emergency situation with that cash stashed fund.

Secondly when the market goes down too much. At that moment we should buy as much as possible. so we can temporarily invest the emergency money in bitcoins so that we can buy more at low prices while buying bitcoins (Not every time, it only when the price of Bitcoin will dumping a lot.) and then put the emergency money back again as soon as possible.

That means we can use that emergency fund both for investing when the price of Bitcoin is low and also for emergencies.

As a result we were able to buy a good amount of bitcoins when the price of bitcoins was low and Later, by re-depositing that emergency money, you can continue to DCA again on a regular basis. As a result, our profit margins will also be higher, and we can safely continue holding DCA for a longer period without risk.
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September 18, 2024, 12:08:25 AM
When it comes to investing in Bitcoin, it is very important to maintain regular investment consistency. Investing small portions regularly over long term eventually turns into a big asset, besides increasing our investment portfolio in long-term holdings due to Bitcoin's high potential, it gives us a lot of profit.

But this requires long-term planning, and financial stability is essential because we have to maintain it regularly. A certain amount should be kept invested in DCA on a regular weekly or monthly basis. In this way, it will become a habit of ours to invest regularly, as a result, the investment pressure will be reduced and you will be able to continue investing for a long time, and continue holding.
The first and foremost way to be consistent in investing in Bitcoin is to have a specific investment plan and set reserve funds. Whenever investors have enough funds to invest, they will be able to continue their investments smoothly without any hindrance. If we are financially stable in terms of investment then we can buy Bitcoin whenever we want in any amount. If are talking about stress free investment then you need financial stability first because when we see bitcoin price going down in the market we get doubt and stress in our mind. So to get rid of this stress or uncertainty we need extra money so that when the market goes down we can use that money to buy bitcoins for stress free investment.
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September 17, 2024, 11:40:48 PM
Actually it is difficult for us to decide the right time to invest in Bitcoin, but we have to read and research a lot about it. Many people think about Bitcoin or navigate that it might crash to the bottom of the ocean never to rise again. But a review of Bitcoin's various histories reveals that since its inception, Bitcoin prices have acted like a cycle in the world of cryptocurrencies, which is currently a tumultuous chapter. Choose the right time and start buying and increase the stock in long term and worry less about short term price.

I think deep buying is not a long-term investment strategy, it is a form of short-term market manipulation, although it can be profitable if executed correctly, but it is very important to distinguish between short-term strategic action and well-thought. -Out investment plan. Deep buying can be profitable but it also has risks, you diversify your portfolio and you allocate the ability to lose it.

As the price field can be said to be skyrocketing as time goes by, take a closer look to see where the price is now. I therefore buy within my means and those who do not yet buy will only criticize and regret.
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September 17, 2024, 11:07:24 PM
Buying the dip is not only for the traders, those that made preparations for it can buy the dip if the plan is there especially with a reserve fund, but as for me am not much carried away with buying the dip so that I will not get in to any troubles of not sticking to my plans so as no to use the money that is meant for another thing for investment my plan is to focus on dcaing, and am good with it.
Just buy whenever you want to. It's true that buying the DIP isn't only for the traders but it is for everyone, literally all of us.
And if you're not that much carried away by buying the DIP, then it only means that you're not pressured at all.
This should be what investing is, we're free to do it whenever we want and no pressures at all because you know how long the market will stand for.
We should invest in such a way that we never feel pressured to invest. This cannot be done when we want to stay away from investing when it feels pressured to us. Before investing we can plan long term but there is no problem if we invest consistently with less amount of money. If we keep depositing money little by little, then the amount of money will be much more at one time, similarly if we continue to invest little by little then the amount of investment will be much more at one time. Basically our objective is to invest and maintain investment continuity as well as hold investment for long term. It is difficult for many but the simpler we take it the easier it is for us to do it. Since investment is our personal matter, no one outside will interfere with the amount of money we have invested here, so we can make long-term investment plans if we want.
When it comes to investing in Bitcoin, it is very important to maintain regular investment consistency. Investing small portions regularly over long term eventually turns into a big asset, besides increasing our investment portfolio in long-term holdings due to Bitcoin's high potential, it gives us a lot of profit.

But this requires long-term planning, and financial stability is essential because we have to maintain it regularly. A certain amount should be kept invested in DCA on a regular weekly or monthly basis. In this way, it will become a habit of ours to invest regularly, as a result, the investment pressure will be reduced and you will be able to continue investing for a long time, and continue holding.

So a new investor must make a proper long term investment plan before investing. And by continuing to invest in Bitcoin and continue to hold for a long time by running DCA, an investor will definitely benefit in the long term.
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September 17, 2024, 09:41:46 PM
Buying the dip is not only for the traders, those that made preparations for it can buy the dip if the plan is there especially with a reserve fund, but as for me am not much carried away with buying the dip so that I will not get in to any troubles of not sticking to my plans so as no to use the money that is meant for another thing for investment my plan is to focus on dcaing, and am good with it.
Just buy whenever you want to. It's true that buying the DIP isn't only for the traders but it is for everyone, literally all of us.
And if you're not that much carried away by buying the DIP, then it only means that you're not pressured at all.
This should be what investing is, we're free to do it whenever we want and no pressures at all because you know how long the market will stand for.
We should invest in such a way that we never feel pressured to invest. This cannot be done when we want to stay away from investing when it feels pressured to us. Before investing we can plan long term but there is no problem if we invest consistently with less amount of money. If we keep depositing money little by little, then the amount of money will be much more at one time, similarly if we continue to invest little by little then the amount of investment will be much more at one time. Basically our objective is to invest and maintain investment continuity as well as hold investment for long term. It is difficult for many but the simpler we take it the easier it is for us to do it. Since investment is our personal matter, no one outside will interfere with the amount of money we have invested here, so we can make long-term investment plans if we want.
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September 17, 2024, 09:02:55 PM
apart from the fact that he quoted the wrong person, it seems that he has misunderstood the meaning of Thinking about the Bitcoin price as used in the context of the quote he is referring to.

The person he's quoting is suggesting that it's best to be concerned about the price that one is buying his Bitcoin as it's a way of buying at a cheaper rate which is same as timing the market before eventually buying. He on the other hand is looking at it from the angle of doing proper planning and ensuring that we're investing with the right amount. Those are two different things and As we continue in our discussion, it's best we try to understand the angle the next person is coming from and come into the discussion with a balanced understanding so our point don't go off as one that doesn't relate well with the line of thought we've established here.
From investment experience, it is very important to set goals and plan properly before investing. You have money you can invest anytime but if you don't have good knowledge about investment or if you don't have skill in this matter but you can't be very successful in investing. No matter which workplace we go to, I am not allowed to do that work, but I have to take training for that work first.  
After training, when the organization or certain organization feels that they can do this work by me, they allow us to do that work. Who should we take investment so seriously? I learned about investment, I should do regular market observation for a few days before investing.  

After regular observation of the market one should try to invest with some amount of money but it is a very small amount of money this is practical application.  
If the investor feels that he can invest properly and can accept all the temporary loss or risk then he can step to the next step of investment later he can start the main investment.

You are actually correct I mean that's what most people practice or do nowadays but then again, what if there expectations is or are been cut short I mean after loaning to buy Bitcoin hoping to see a bullish movement or market but unfortunate becomes the case what will happen to them. Most people will never learn in this life that's for sure and doing this simply means one don't know how Bitcoin works and i also see it as an unwise act the fact that Bitcoin is one of the best asset so far, with good potential doesn't me we should go about it in the wrong way. I believe there's always a best way to go about everything and for Bitcoin I think the best way to go about it is to invest and hold for long term no matter the amount you are using to...
Buying bitcoins on credit has never seemed acceptable to me as employing bitcoins. So far I have always told the people I have advised on investing that there is no problem in investing but be careful not to let it become a problem for you. Set aside an amount of money that if you don't have, it won't affect your life too badly. No matter how close you take the loan, since money is involved, you can definitely face a lot of problems in paying back this money in the future. It may also happen that after you invest your investment is at a temporary loss at that time you are pressured for money but you are forced to sell your investment and then repay the loan. So everything should be planned well in advance, if you start investing 6 months or a year late then no one will stop you but if a due date of loan repayment is delayed then the person who gave you the loan will not talk to you.
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September 17, 2024, 05:41:19 PM
smart investors will only make Bitcoin their main investment, and when they need money, they will use the Bitcoin they have as collateral in a lending platform, they are very smart because they realize that there are only 21 million Bitcoins and the amount cannot be increased or decreased.
No, no, no! Anyone using his bitcoin investment as a collateral is no worth regarding as smart because it makes no sense using your bitcoin to take loan on fiat. This is why we are advised to while planning on investing for a long time we also have a reliable income source if possible a stream's of income in order to avoid finding yourself in a messy situation where you would have to make such unwise decision because it's like telling an investor to stake his bitcoin for an altcoin.
How the discussion moved from buying bitcoin for long term holding to loan is what baffles me. The discussion have completely shifted to a new ground that is more or less a distraction. Why would someone doing DCA, for instance, consider taking a loan? The mere though of it simply means that the investor does not really have the cashflow needed to sustain a bitcoin investment for long term so investing in bitcoin may not be the best decision for him but to fix the cashflow. To succeed in bitcoin investment, there should be plans for emergency fund which will serves to keep the investment going when there is some development that requires money which was not seen or planned for in beginning. Without emergency funds, the investment is continuously exposed to risk. Taking a long is never in any of the process of healthy bitcoin investment.
The truth is any person that's taking loan to invest in Bitcoin shows that the person is not in for the long term. The person is basically in for the short term profit and is looking for every little opportunity to make little money by trading off the Bitcoin holding. Because the moment there is a little bullish tend and he see little profit, he/she will sell off the Bitcoin holding to repay the loan. Such people shouldn't be seen or considered as an investor. Because the approach adopted in the first place is not that of an investor but that of traders, because only traders will have that kind of mentality. And these set of people will never listen to what other people will tell them. That's why I don't give a fuck about them when they run into trouble eventually.

You are actually correct I mean that's what most people practice or do nowadays but then again, what if there expectations is or are been cut short I mean after loaning to buy Bitcoin hoping to see a bullish movement or market but unfortunate becomes the case what will happen to them. Most people will never learn in this life that's for sure and doing this simply means one don't know how Bitcoin works and i also see it as an unwise act the fact that Bitcoin is one of the best asset so far, with good potential doesn't me we should go about it in the wrong way. I believe there's always a best way to go about everything and for Bitcoin I think the best way to go about it is to invest and hold for long term no matter the amount you are using to...
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September 17, 2024, 01:39:44 PM

I don't believe that trading in Bitcoin will be more profitable than investing and hodling for a long time and it wrong to say that investors who's aim and objective is to accumulate Bitcoin and HODL for long gets less profit.

As an investor your major concern shouldn't centralize on profit making at the moment but how you can be able to accumulate more Bitcoin for long.
I don't hesitate to laugh uncontrollably at the foolishness of anybody that makes that statement. It's just trying to prove that simple interest is better than compound interest over a longer period of time.  It's very funny that people are so narrow minded to reality.

Besides the financial benefits of investing in Bitcoin, it gives us some good living benefits like the freedom to focus on other careers of choice and make money for yourself without having to be responsible for your investments profitability, removal of emotional stress of having portfolio reduction or total funds loss when you enter a bad trade and  having to go through the long process of learning trading and losing a fortune to it.

Generally, investing in Bitcoin is much easier than trading and more profitable too. Historic data celebrates people who have made fortunes from investing in Bitcoin and rarely have I seen someone celebrated for amasing a large fortune from trading.

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September 17, 2024, 01:00:49 PM
It is not always right to follow other people's advice, of course because you have to do your own research with a good strategic approach.
Yes Individuals are always encouraged to do their own research when necessary or when you feel that someone advice could be misleading. But there are some certain cases that even with your own researches, you will still not get it the right and at that point you will need to listen to someone that's more knowledgeable than you. when you're doing the wrong thing and someone that's more knowledgeable talked to you about doing things with the right approach that will be more efficient and productive, would you still remain in your ignorance and do things your way? You can only neglect people's advice, when proven beyond reasonable doubts that they are telling you to do the wrong thing. That's the more reason why places like this exist so we can improve our knowledge and approach of doing things which ordinarily we don't know.

Surely one of the best, if not the best, of teachers is experience, so each of us should be taking the advice of others with a grain of salt, and not presuming them to be able to determine what is best for us, yet at the same time, sometimes many of us can become stubborn and end up doing something that ends up screwing up, and sometimes we will repeat similar screw-ups before we finally learn our lesson, and so surely a forum like this allows us to explore our ideas, and figure out the extent to which other forum members address our issues, yet so many times, I find that most of the more difficult problems (and dilemmas), I have to figure out my own balancing of the trade-offs.... and surely sometimes other members are helping me indirectly when they might explain some of their thinking process or how they went about resolving one of their dilemmas..

Let's say that a member suggests that you should figure out your cashflow and expenses for the next 6 months and attempt to figure out your discretionary income for each pay period, and then when you are starting out to start to invest with less than 50% of your discretionary income in case you make some mistakes, yet you believe that the recommendation is too conservative so not ONLY do you not project out your cash flow, you also ballparkedly estimate an investment rate of around 80% of your discretionary income, and maybe that sloppiness ends up working out, yet it could blow up in your face in a major way in which you end up having to sell some of your bitcoin or take some other emergency measures, or it might just blow up in a smaller way in which you have to move funds around and sweat a bit for around a month or so to make sure that your income is higher than your expenses for the period until your next paycheck.  Sometimes the learnings sink in much more when a guy goes through some scenarios in which he is able to recognize mistakes that he actually made and reasons that he might want to avoid making those kinds of mistakes in the future.

So sometimes we can say to another member:  "you dummy!!!  Why didn't you listen to other members", and surely sometimes the member is ONLY able to absorb so much of the information about what to do or how to do it without plugging the information into their own practices, and they might not even be able to see the exact fit of the information until they had gone through some kind of a similar situation in order to figure out why certain practices can end up saving them but increasing the odds of profiting in financial and psychological ways... including that sometimes the result of profits (or being in a better position) are not apparent for quite a long time later, maybe even years and years later... so in that sense, sometimes the first several years in bitcoin, there might be a lot of work that needs to be done to both build strong cashflow management practices and to also build up a bitcoin portfolio holdings (that might not always be in profits), but then years and years down the road there can be recognition that the earliest times of preparation ended up paying off quite significantly in order to establish good systems, put them into practice and maybe even sometimes being able to see how some of the earlier purchases ended up with really high appreciation rates and added to the overall stack of BTC...

....such as I remember sometimes being a bit worried that some of my earliest bitcoin purchases in 2015 were not really going to add up to much, yet at around that time, I had put a system into practice so that if I had any kind of extra cashflow that came to me, whether $20, $50 or $100, then I would divide that amount in half in order to buy bitcoin with half of it right away (or within a day), and then put the other half into my cashflow reserves, which likely was going to be needed for various extra expenses within that month or the next month.  So at that time, bitcoin prices were mostly in the mid-$200s, so if I ended up buying $25 worth of bitcoin, that would mean that I got right around 0.1BTC, which seemed so small, but still a continued stacking process through that whole year in which my cashflow was fairly tight based on some then business related issues that I was having, and it did not help matters financially or psychologically that BTC prices were down, too... not until much later, there was a realization that the low BTC prices were just a temporary (even though seeming long term) phenomena.

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..... Buying more units of Bitcoin during DIP periods is definitely not a mistake, no?

It is a mistake if the BTC price does not end up dipping, and they had been holding too much cash waiting for such a dip that did not end up happening.

Sure there are guys who wished that they had more to buy during dips, yet a balance still needs to be struck in regards to continuing to stack bitcoin and not getting too caught up upon the price, especially for newbies who likely are still in their earlier of stages of stacking bitcoin and still need to build up their BTC stack to prepare for up. 

Repeatedly, I describe that an overwhelming majority of the world (including folks who already own some bitcoin) are overly prepared for down and insufficiently prepared for UP, so each person needs to assess his level of preparedness for up in order to assure that he is sufficiently prepared for UP, and he ONLY has himself to blame if he is sitting on too much cash and overly preparing for downs that may not end up happening.

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It's not as though it's totally out of place to look at Bitcoin price, and if we're able to, we can buy at a DIP price which will be to our advantage. The only issue is when you allow it deter you from buying as at when you ought to buy all because you want to be at a small profit.

Frequently newbies get overly obsessed about the extent to which they are in profits or not, especially in their first years of investing, which frequently causes them to do dumb things like overly waiting for dips that might not happen and sometimes selling too much too soon because they become too worried about either locking in profits or trying to buy back more at cheaper prices that might not end up happening within the timeline that they expect such cheaper prices to happen.

Ongoing BTC accumulation is likely a much better practice that also puts the BTC accumulator into a much better and more consistent mindset too.. yeah, it might not always be short term profitable to remain focused on ongoing BTC accumulation, yet I doubt there are very many traders who are going to be able to show better BTC portfolio as compared with the buyer accumulator, especially once we might get into  longer timeframes such as 1-2 whole cycles... and yeah traders frequently think that they are so smart in the shorter time frames, yet selling too much BTC too soon has a pretty fucking large costs as compared with the HODLer who did not sell, even though such traders are likely still showing dollar profits.. but they tend to be way smaller than the longer term BTC HODLer.. and we have so many of those examples in BTC's history.. even a recent example of so many traders selling large chunks (if not all) of their BTC in the lower to mid $30ks in the October/November 2023 timeline and maybe they bought back in, yet I have my doubts about their outperforming the buyers/accumulators/hodlers.

There is nothing wrong with thinking about prices because basically the market has different cycles. Prices fluctuate all the time and investors need to know when is the best time to do so. You can't completely ignore the price when your financial strength is only $10 to $100, meaning the lower you buy, the more bitcoin you have. It is not always right to follow other people's advice, of course because you have to do your own research with a good strategic approach.
We have to think about the price that's why when we invest in anything we must first think about how much capital he wants to invest and we have to invest carefully. Many times it is seen that we invest in a hurry without thinking about the capital, due to which we suffer a lot in investment, so before investing, we must think about how many dollars we want to invest and how much capital we will get through this investment. We have to confirm that. When we invest, we invest to earn a substantial amount of profit from the investment, so we have to invest in such a way that we get a substantial amount of financial gain from the investment, and the success of our investment makes others interested in investing as well. Due to our big decision many times we suffer a lot in investment so due to our right decision we must check the market and invest with a long term plan.

Surely investors need to consider position size when they get started, and whether they invest with lump sum or DCA, they may still need to monitor position size, yet at the same time, they can still figure out their position size, and not become overly concerned about the extent to which their investment is profitable, especially in the first whole cycle, and also they might get distracted or deterred from investing in something like bitcoin if they are overly concerned about whether they are profits or not, especially if they come to bitcoin and they already know that it is likely to be extremely volatile in either direction in the short term, which could cause their investment to not be in profits during much of the earliest years, and surely if they are not comfortable with the level of volatility, the level of uncertainty or their desires to make sure that they are in profits in shorter timelines, then either they should adjust their position size until they are comfortable or perhaps get out of the investment (or don't even get into bitcoin) if they cannot figure out a position size level that allows them to NOT be overly obsessed with their BTC investment being in profits in relatively short timelines such as in less than a whole cycle.
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September 17, 2024, 10:36:12 AM
There is nothing wrong with thinking about prices because basically the market has different cycles. Prices fluctuate all the time and investors need to know when is the best time to do so. You can't completely ignore the price when your financial strength is only $10 to $100, meaning the lower you buy, the more bitcoin you have. It is not always right to follow other people's advice, of course because you have to do your own research with a good strategic approach.
We have to think about the price that's why when we invest in anything we must first think about how much capital he wants to invest and we have to invest carefully. Many times it is seen that we invest in a hurry without thinking about the capital, due to which we suffer a lot in investment, so before investing, we must think about how many dollars we want to invest and how much capital we will get through this investment. We have to confirm that. When we invest, we invest to earn a substantial amount of profit from the investment, so we have to invest in such a way that we get a substantial amount of financial gain from the investment, and the success of our investment makes others interested in investing as well. Due to our big decision many times we suffer a lot in investment so due to our right decision we must check the market and invest with a long term plan.


I just want to bring to your notice that you have mis quote another user, please you can check very well to avoid further mistakes in subsequent times.
apart from the fact that he quoted the wrong person, it seems that he has misunderstood the meaning of Thinking about the Bitcoin price as used in the context of the quote he is referring to.

The person he's quoting is suggesting that it's best to be concerned about the price that one is buying his Bitcoin as it's a way of buying at a cheaper rate which is same as timing the market before eventually buying. He on the other hand is looking at it from the angle of doing proper planning and ensuring that we're investing with the right amount. Those are two different things and As we continue in our discussion, it's best we try to understand the angle the next person is coming from and come into the discussion with a balanced understanding so our point don't go off as one that doesn't relate well with the line of thought we've established here.
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September 17, 2024, 10:22:56 AM
There is nothing wrong with thinking about prices because basically the market has different cycles. Prices fluctuate all the time and investors need to know when is the best time to do so. You can't completely ignore the price when your financial strength is only $10 to $100, meaning the lower you buy, the more bitcoin you have. It is not always right to follow other people's advice, of course because you have to do your own research with a good strategic approach.
We have to think about the price that's why when we invest in anything we must first think about how much capital he wants to invest and we have to invest carefully. Many times it is seen that we invest in a hurry without thinking about the capital, due to which we suffer a lot in investment, so before investing, we must think about how many dollars we want to invest and how much capital we will get through this investment. We have to confirm that. When we invest, we invest to earn a substantial amount of profit from the investment, so we have to invest in such a way that we get a substantial amount of financial gain from the investment, and the success of our investment makes others interested in investing as well. Due to our big decision many times we suffer a lot in investment so due to our right decision we must check the market and invest with a long term plan.


I just want to bring to your notice that you have mis quote another user, please you can check very well to avoid further mistakes in subsequent times.

Secondly, Bitcoin investment shouldn't be seen as a burden where you can be considering much about capital, invest only with an amount that you can be comfortable with conveniently without seeing it as a stress, that is one of the reasons why the DCA strategy dominates our discussion because it allows investors to gradually grow or increase their Bitcoin size as little as possibly they can be over period of time.
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September 17, 2024, 09:15:14 AM
There is nothing wrong with thinking about prices because basically the market has different cycles. Prices fluctuate all the time and investors need to know when is the best time to do so. You can't completely ignore the price when your financial strength is only $10 to $100, meaning the lower you buy, the more bitcoin you have. It is not always right to follow other people's advice, of course because you have to do your own research with a good strategic approach.
We have to think about the price that's why when we invest in anything we must first think about how much capital he wants to invest and we have to invest carefully. Many times it is seen that we invest in a hurry without thinking about the capital, due to which we suffer a lot in investment, so before investing, we must think about how many dollars we want to invest and how much capital we will get through this investment. We have to confirm that. When we invest, we invest to earn a substantial amount of profit from the investment, so we have to invest in such a way that we get a substantial amount of financial gain from the investment, and the success of our investment makes others interested in investing as well. Due to our big decision many times we suffer a lot in investment so due to our right decision we must check the market and invest with a long term plan.
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September 17, 2024, 09:09:35 AM
Switching to trading practice is certainly a pretty bad idea for those who have reached the middle of the bitcoin accumulation journey. Confidence must be there to prevent that mistake especially the confidence to continue accumulating bitcoin with DCA practice without having to cash it out.
A good idea is to continue accumulating like a routine that has been passed every week.

A good criterion to strengthen us to continue to hold is certainly not to open the exchange at all times. Because often monitoring price movements will change our minds.

Trading is not a good choice for any type of people. Especially for a long-term investor, entering the trade is not advisable at all. Trades are high risk and people are lured here most of the time, considering these factors I think trades are enough to destroy an investor's investment. The trade will not only destroy the investment but also expose you to huge losses. I personally do not support trade and I am very afraid of trade. Because here I feel more likely to lose than gain. Although risk is reduced by gaining knowledge about the trade, trading is still riskier than investing. More profit can be gained from trading but the risk of losing here is more. Long-term investing is just the opposite. Although the amount of profit is less, the chance of losing is very less. So I think an investor should not enter the trade at all. A trader can opt out of trades and enter into investments, but he must enter into investments with the intention of going long-term. When a trader becomes an investor, it becomes easier for him to invest, because a trader's risk-taking capacity is high and the resulting market dump will not panic him. He will enjoy this period by learning the methods of investment.
I don't believe that trading in Bitcoin will be more profitable than investing and hodling for a long time and it wrong to say that investors who's aim and objective is to accumulate Bitcoin and HODL for long gets less profit.

As an investor your major concern shouldn't centralize on profit making at the moment but how you can be able to accumulate more Bitcoin for long.

People that trade in Bitcoin believes or think they get more profit compare to investor who accumulate Bitcoin and hodl but to me what they get is pinnut compare to what HODLers received, and making more profit in Bitcoin investment depends on how much amount of Bitcoin an investor was able to accumulate and hodl for a longer period of time. Bitcoin investment is not a get rich quick scheme.
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September 17, 2024, 08:12:46 AM
There is nothing wrong with thinking about prices because basically the market has different cycles. Prices fluctuate all the time and investors need to know when is the best time to do so. You can't completely ignore the price when your financial strength is only $10 to $100, meaning the lower you buy, the more bitcoin you have. It is not always right to follow other people's advice, of course because you have to do your own research with a good strategic approach.

with a financial strength that can only work with $10 to $100 at Everytime you're to buy Bitcoin, thinking about the price or monitoring the price for the best spot that's most convenience before buying wouldn't help you buy at a seemingly best price. You might be lucky that for some instance, you might buy at a lower price but even at that, because of how small the amount you're using per buy his, it will only give you a slight difference in the price you've bought Bitcoin but in terms of looking for what point you will buy enough Bitcoin, it will take a very longer time

This is what I mean, if we assume that you had $100 you've decided that you're going to use in buying Bitcoin but then, at the time the money is available Bitcoin went up to $66k. Because you feel that Bitcoin can still dip further to $46k, you might get tempted to keep waiting till Bitcoin goes down to somewhere close to that. While you're still waiting, you might end up staying for a very long period of time because we know that we can't be too sure if Bitcoin will DIP further in the next moment or go up the more. Chances are that in the process of waiting, you might not be up touching a portion of the money if care isn't tajen. On the other hand, If you ignored the price and just buy at the time you have the money, you've saved yourself from unnecessary monitoring of the price and can now focuse on getting more money you can use in your next buy.

It's not as though it's totally out of place to look at Bitcoin price, and if we're able to, we can buy at a DIP price which will be to our advantage. The only issue is when you allow it deter you from buying as at when you ought to buy all because you want to be at a small profit.
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September 17, 2024, 08:02:06 AM
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Personally, I believe that you should do what's best for your own personality and where you are most comfortable. Some people like to buy the DIP to take advantage of discounts during bear markets or during large crashes, some like DCA. There are also some people who like both. It's about YOU and your personality.
Yeah but who gives any ratt's asses about you and your personality if you don't have any BTC, then you should not be fucking around using waiting as your investing strategy,

But you may have missed the point, ser. Because those people who would be more comfortable in buying the DIP would have already bought the DIP.
How would you presume that I missed whatever point you were attempting to make without much clarity in regards to what kind of person you are talking about, and your further attempts at clarifying are also not very helpful because they are vague and they still seem to emphasize vague and even seemingly dumb strategies that involve waiting for the dip.

There are a lot of ways that people can start out in bitcoin and surely their particulars circumstances will make differences, including if they had already been buying BTC, whether they bought bitcoin on the dip or they bought bitcoin at some other time.

I think part of the justification for not to be changing the name of the thread is that you cannot get "buying the dip" out of your head as if it were subliminally a preferred way of establishing a stake in bitcoin, and surely I have no problem with buying dips or incorporating buying the dip into some of the BTC accumulation strategies, especially if buying dips does not end up involving way more waiting for dips (which is not a great strategy) rather than actually buying BTC on a regular basis (which is likely a better strategy for most people).. so surely part of the dilemma that anyone has is to figure out the extent to which he is going to be content if the BTC price ends up going up rather than going down, and if the BTC price ends up going up, has he come to a comfortable point in his BTC stacking journey that he is not regretting for not having had bought more at the lower prices, and so if someone is sitting around and allowing fiat to stack up because he is waiting for a dip, then he likely is not employing good BTC accumulation practices, financially or psychologically... even if you want to suggest vague notions that people can do whatever  they want, and most people when left to do whatever they want, end up not doing anything.. .which ends up damaging them in the end, even if they were doing what they wanted to do.  So investment in bitcoin is likely more of an active an proactive kind of behavior rather than a waiting around strategy, even if you seem to continue to enjoy to promote your buying on the dip waiting strategy.

No one made a "justification" on whether an individual should buy the DIP, or DCA, or both. Or whether an investment strategy is better than another investment strategy. Simply, merely choose the path that makes YOU comfortable in your investments.

Would that be a mistake?

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Yes.  Your ongoing mistake is you continue to fail/refuse to be specific.  You are almost always describing some fantasy in which it might be nice to maintain some dry powder for buying BTC dips, since you are claiming that kind of a waiting for dips strategy to be more advantageous for guys who are poor, blah blah blah.  


There's a place and advantage for both Buy the DIP, and DCA. It depends on the person's personality and in which strategy he/she is most comfortable. It might be utilizing both for some individuals. Plus there's also the current situation of where the market is in. Because the bear market is over, and the Golden Opportunity of buying the DIP under the 200-Weekly SMA is gone, people will now need to DCA in regular intervals.

BUT if they want to mix in some Buy the DIP during market mini-crashes under some price-point, then why not? Buying more units of Bitcoin during DIP periods is definitely not a mistake, no?
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September 17, 2024, 07:53:14 AM
smart investors will only make Bitcoin their main investment, and when they need money, they will use the Bitcoin they have as collateral in a lending platform, they are very smart because they realize that there are only 21 million Bitcoins and the amount cannot be increased or decreased.
No, no, no! Anyone using his bitcoin investment as a collateral is no worth regarding as smart because it makes no sense using your bitcoin to take loan on fiat. This is why we are advised to while planning on investing for a long time we also have a reliable income source if possible a stream's of income in order to avoid finding yourself in a messy situation where you would have to make such unwise decision because it's like telling an investor to stake his bitcoin for an altcoin.
How the discussion moved from buying bitcoin for long term holding to loan is what baffles me. The discussion have completely shifted to a new ground that is more or less a distraction. Why would someone doing DCA, for instance, consider taking a loan? The mere though of it simply means that the investor does not really have the cashflow needed to sustain a bitcoin investment for long term so investing in bitcoin may not be the best decision for him but to fix the cashflow. To succeed in bitcoin investment, there should be plans for emergency fund which will serves to keep the investment going when there is some development that requires money which was not seen or planned for in beginning. Without emergency funds, the investment is continuously exposed to risk. Taking a long is never in any of the process of healthy bitcoin investment.
The truth is any person that's taking loan to invest in Bitcoin shows that the person is not in for the long term. The person is basically in for the short term profit and is looking for every little opportunity to make little money by trading off the Bitcoin holding. Because the moment there is a little bullish tend and he see little profit, he/she will sell off the Bitcoin holding to repay the loan. Such people shouldn't be seen or considered as an investor.
Hahaha...so you are telling me that if I analysed the market and decided to outsmart it by investing in just a month (or even less) after carefully anticipating what would happen, I am not an investor? You are joking, I guess the ugly teachings here and other similar threads are now confusing many of you.

First, you should know that investment could be short, medium or long-term, it's part of the long-term investment plan that you HODL. Mind you, HODLing is optional, it's by choice and it doesn't make you any better investor. What makes you a better investor is what you earn from your investment and the consistency of the earnings.

While you are busy downgrading the person who invested his money and liquidated it in a short space of time and continues to repeat the process when the opportunity presents itself, they would have made multiples of what you who are HODLing make in a year. But what I don't like is collecting loans to invest, we should invest only the amount we can afford to lose, not the one that will mount pressure on us.
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