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January 31, 2024, 08:17:10 AM
although the term HODLing tend to suggest that you have to hold it for a little while, investing in bitcoin isn't all that a long term investment  as you suggest because the volatile nature of Bitcoin depict that you could have a reasonable returns even after a few month of investment unlike other asset like land that after buying, you have to wait for as long as five yeas upward before the value of the land will appreciate. We've seen the price of bitcoin rise to $42k this January and then dropped back to around $39k this same January so buying it now and after a week or two the price goes back to the $42k, if you sell it at that price, you've made your profit within the shortest possible time.
There's a great difference between a good investment and a great one, when you get your little gains in a short period of   investing with bitcoin(I call it a gamble), you can say you had a good investment because you got gains at least, but having a great investment comes with investing for a longer period and that's the psychology and gospel behind bitcoin investment. Check the statistics and observe that those who really made a fortune from bitcoin investments are those that invested for a long term, they surely had a great investment.

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I guess what you are trying to say is that investing earlier will give you a better advantage over those waiting for the price of bitcoin to drop to as low as $37k before investing as anytime from now, the market will experience a bull that will make people without a single holding to regret their inactions and indecisive nature. This is actually true because this is actually the beat time to invest because you are certain that you wouldn't experience any loss from buying at this current price.
I greatly fault those waiting for bitcoin to continue dipping. Why the wait?, you can get strategic with your accumulation so you don't lose out completely while you wait. You can go ahead with acquiring gradually with DCA while you wait for the dip you're expecting. If that dip comes by, you can buy with lump sum. If not, at least you're still acquiring bitcoin. Its a win win situation.

You're not certain of anything with bitcoin, you're only in anticipation, being certain is having absolute trust in something with zero possibility of failure. With bitcoin, we're only anticipating that the bull run once again will increase the value of bitcoin and bless investors with profits.
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January 31, 2024, 08:12:10 AM
Knowing that investing in bitcoin is a long time investment, you should plan better and keep aside the money for investment as this will help you avoid anything that will alter your reasoning because as an investor you must be psychologically  stable.
although the term HODLing tend to suggest that you have to hold it for a little while, investing in bitcoin isn't all that a long term investment  as you suggest because the volatile nature of Bitcoin depict that you could have a reasonable returns even after a few month of investment unlike other asset like land that after buying, you have to wait for as long as five yeas upward before the value of the land will appreciate. We've seen the price of bitcoin rise to $42k this January and then dropped back to around $39k this same January so buying it now and after a week or two the price goes back to the $42k, if you sell it at that price, you've made your profit within the shortest possible time.
It seems you don't really understand much about the concept of holding because you would not have said that holding tend to do with short time investment however when we talk about holding we are actually referring to long time investment by buying Bitcoin and holding it for long, and secondly no matter how volatile Bitcoin may be but is never a guarantee that you could have a reasonable returns from your investment during the short time you are referring to, although is obvious that profits is always the major goal of every investors at the end but with lack of investment planning could make someone losing instead of making profits at the end. So perhaps if your strategy is dependent on the volatility to make profits within a short time I would advise you to re strategize and focus on holding instead.



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January 31, 2024, 07:10:24 AM
Also, timing the bitcoin market earlier will give you an edge over the market as the higher chance of profitable investment will be there instead of investing late.
 
It is difficult to time the market and that is a waste of time, especially a new investor that is a low coiner, because nobody can predict the price movement of bitcoin. It is better to get started the moment you have the money to invest and keep on growing your invest by buying regular either weekly or monthly, and all necessary funds are in place that will not make you think of selling your bitcoin.
Actually there's nothing wrong at buying whenever you have the money available but I think what he/she meant by timing the market is just by buying at each dip that occurs, take for instance a week+ ago bitcoin price moved up to $47,000+ and after a while dropped to $39,000 then later took a leap to around $43/42,000+ right now (as at the time am writing this). For a investor that is timing the market he/she will know that $39k is a right time to buy because the price will surely move up again for him to make profit and for sure it did moved from $39k to $43k, so isn't it a right timer for any investor? We know the market is unpredictable but there are moves that we will critically observe and we won't need a fortuneteller to tell us what could happen next, only experience will tell.
Buying whenever you have money is one way to take advantage of owning Bitcoin. And no one knows when the right time to buy is. We can only be sure to buy when the Bitcoin price is at a low price. And whatever the low price is, it will depend on our analysis.

But we already have a DCA strategy for buying Bitcoin that does not depend on the Bitcoin price. We have to follow the time to buy, for example, once a week, once every two weeks, or once a month to buy Bitcoin. We just follow the plan while allocating a certain amount of money to invest in Bitcoin.

And even though the market is unpredictable, we can still use DCA to buy Bitcoin regularly. That will help us to have lots of Bitcoins. That is enough for new investors to start investing in Bitcoin. Their job is just to increase the number of Bitcoins, and they do not need to monitor the price too often.
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January 31, 2024, 07:09:59 AM
Knowing that investing in bitcoin is a long time investment, you should plan better and keep aside the money for investment as this will help you avoid anything that will alter your reasoning because as an investor you must be psychologically  stable.
although the term HODLing tend to suggest that you have to hold it for a little while, investing in bitcoin isn't all that a long term investment  as you suggest because the volatile nature of Bitcoin depict that you could have a reasonable returns even after a few month of investment unlike other asset like land that after buying, you have to wait for as long as five yeas upward before the value of the land will appreciate. We've seen the price of bitcoin rise to $42k this January and then dropped back to around $39k this same January so buying it now and after a week or two the price goes back to the $42k, if you sell it at that price, you've made your profit within the shortest possible time.
If you are are buying bitcoin and selling within few months then you are not a hodler. What you are doing is simply bitcoin scalping for few dollars. Bitcoin investment is for the long term if you must see a reasonable profitability. What happens next if you experience loss in the few months you are talking about will you still sell the bitcoin at loss? You are just looking at the positive side of bitcoin investment without considering the other possibility that price could also dip and it could take time to come up even to the price you bought it. Know it today that bitcoin investment in for the long term.

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This is actually true because this is actually the beat time to invest because you are certain that you wouldn't experience any loss from buying at this current price.
In as much as I agree with you that this is the best time to invest in bitcoin. I won't agree to your statement that you are certain that one wouldn't experience any loss at this current price. Few weeks ago we saw bitcoin price above $48k and many never thought we will see $39k again, but bitcoin surprised them and traded below $40k and those who bought at $48k are still in loss. So in bitcoin investment we expect anything at all time. The market is not always one way.

On a general view, this might not be the best time but a good time to invest in bitcoin. I agreed with you in your other expression, in as much as an investor may decide to buy bitcoin at this current price, it is not possible to predict the future with certainty. Considering volatility and price fluctuations of bitcoin which can significantly take place within a short period, your DCA strategy is there to mitigate your risk tolerance by making your bitcoin purchase of weekly or monthly with an allocated % of about 5 to 10 based on your income flow with your emergency funds set aside for your unforseen circumstances enabling you to remain focused in your bitcoin accumulation journey.
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January 31, 2024, 06:35:54 AM
Actually there's nothing wrong at buying whenever you have the money available but I think what he/she meant by timing the market is just by buying at each dip that occurs, take for instance a week+ ago bitcoin price moved up to $47,000+ and after a while dropped to $39,000 then later took a leap to around $43/42,000+ right now (as at the time am writing this). For a investor that is timing the market he/she will know that $39k is a right time to buy because the price will surely move up again for him to make profit and for sure it did moved from $39k to $43k, so isn't it a right timer for any investor? We know the market is unpredictable but there are moves that we will critically observe and we won't need a fortuneteller to tell us what could happen next, only experience will tell.

You’re suggestion is not wrong because that’s really an efficient way to accumulate but not all people have a good patience on waiting and the luxury to frequently check the price like me due to the nature of my work.

I usually purchased whenever I’m feeling that price is decreased a little bit while I have spare money that I can use to purchased Bitcoin. Not always I have free money since I have other things to do with my money especially if I’m currently not using it because I can always wait for my salary to get another money that I can dedicate for whatever stuff that I failed to buy before. That’s why I always purchased whenever I feel like I don’t have anything to do with my spare money aside from buying Bitcoin instead of wasting my time waiting for the perfect dump while we all know that Bitcoin price will surely grow astronomically in the future. I’m investing and not trading so I don’t care about minor price difference of my buy if the end goal is still the same.
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January 31, 2024, 06:12:51 AM
Also, timing the bitcoin market earlier will give you an edge over the market as the higher chance of profitable investment will be there instead of investing late.
 
It is difficult to time the market and that is a waste of time, especially a new investor that is a low coiner, because nobody can predict the price movement of bitcoin. It is better to get started the moment you have the money to invest and keep on growing your invest by buying regular either weekly or monthly, and all necessary funds are in place that will not make you think of selling your bitcoin.
Actually there's nothing wrong at buying whenever you have the money available but I think what he/she meant by timing the market is just by buying at each dip that occurs, take for instance a week+ ago bitcoin price moved up to $47,000+ and after a while dropped to $39,000 then later took a leap to around $43/42,000+ right now (as at the time am writing this). For a investor that is timing the market he/she will know that $39k is a right time to buy because the price will surely move up again for him to make profit and for sure it did moved from $39k to $43k, so isn't it a right timer for any investor? We know the market is unpredictable but there are moves that we will critically observe and we won't need a fortuneteller to tell us what could happen next, only experience will tell.

Buy whenever you are comfortable since what's important is you are fine with positions you are taking and have enough money to handle some situations that possible to occur in the market.

What you need to consider is your next plan when you successfully accumulate your bitcoins since it will matter to you if you go for short term like waiting for few months and event then dump or either save it for future because you want to have some bitcoin save either for retirement or other good things that you want to use for.

Any price is good and it matter know on your strategy so people need to figure out their goals since once they have fix aim for sure they can do a lot of things with their acquired bitcoin.
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January 31, 2024, 04:52:20 AM
Also, timing the bitcoin market earlier will give you an edge over the market as the higher chance of profitable investment will be there instead of investing late.
 
It is difficult to time the market and that is a waste of time, especially a new investor that is a low coiner, because nobody can predict the price movement of bitcoin. It is better to get started the moment you have the money to invest and keep on growing your invest by buying regular either weekly or monthly, and all necessary funds are in place that will not make you think of selling your bitcoin.
Actually there's nothing wrong at buying whenever you have the money available but I think what he/she meant by timing the market is just by buying at each dip that occurs, take for instance a week+ ago bitcoin price moved up to $47,000+ and after a while dropped to $39,000 then later took a leap to around $43/42,000+ right now (as at the time am writing this). For a investor that is timing the market he/she will know that $39k is a right time to buy because the price will surely move up again for him to make profit and for sure it did moved from $39k to $43k, so isn't it a right timer for any investor? We know the market is unpredictable but there are moves that we will critically observe and we won't need a fortuneteller to tell us what could happen next, only experience will tell.
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January 31, 2024, 03:39:39 AM
Knowing that investing in bitcoin is a long time investment, you should plan better and keep aside the money for investment as this will help you avoid anything that will alter your reasoning because as an investor you must be psychologically  stable.
although the term HODLing tend to suggest that you have to hold it for a little while, investing in bitcoin isn't all that a long term investment  as you suggest because the volatile nature of Bitcoin depict that you could have a reasonable returns even after a few month of investment unlike other asset like land that after buying, you have to wait for as long as five yeas upward before the value of the land will appreciate. We've seen the price of bitcoin rise to $42k this January and then dropped back to around $39k this same January so buying it now and after a week or two the price goes back to the $42k, if you sell it at that price, you've made your profit within the shortest possible time.
You are wrong and you are misunderstand what HODL! means. What you just stated is a short term,and traders are known to be the ones involved in such practice. Hodlers don't sell within one month, they keep hodling their investment for a very long time like 4-10yrs and above. Some hodlers use their bitcoin as a lifetime investment. What you said is a bad way to handle your bitcoin, because if you are after little profit from bitcoin price fluctuation, you will never have any bitcoin investment in future. The best thing as a newbie is for you to have the mindset and plan of a long term investment, to limit the same risk attached to the volatile nature of bitcoin, and you can also have enough time to grow your invest, so that in the long run, you can have a good profit from your bitcoin portfolio because as the time passes on, bitcoin price is always going up, which is your reward for still holding.

Imagine that because you bought bitcoin price at 39k, and bitcoin price moved up to 42k, and you sold your bitcoin. The next thing that you see is that bitcoin price keep on going up, and when it moved down, it never moved down below $43k, it means that you can't buy back the same unit of bitcoin when you sold. OR when you bought at $39k, and bitcoin price didn't move up but instead it went down below $39k stayed there for let's say one to two months. It means that you will panic and sell, and run at loss because you are only after bitcoin price to move up within a very short term which tend not to happen during your own speculated time.

You will only give yourself more pressure and stress because you will be restless since that is what you plan to do with your bitcoin. Traders or short term investors can never make the kind of profit that they will get if they trade for ten years compare to a hodler that you was able to increase and accumulate his bitcoin regularly through DCA method weekly or monthly. As someone who wants to start investing in bitcoin, only think of accumulating and not selling, so that you can so that you can increase your bitcoin portfolio size, because bitcoin is worth holding than selling for little profit.

Also, timing the bitcoin market earlier will give you an edge over the market as the higher chance of profitable investment will be there instead of investing late.
 
It is difficult to time the market and that is a waste of time, especially a new investor that is a low coiner, because nobody can predict the price movement of bitcoin. It is better to get started the moment you have the money to invest and keep on growing your invest by buying regular either weekly or monthly, and all necessary funds are in place that will not make you think of selling your bitcoin.

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January 31, 2024, 03:32:41 AM
You see, no investment is 100% guaranteed be it a trader or a hodler as all are very risky and due to some unforseen circumstances that may actually affect ones investments make some people to only be interested in trading rather than investing and you can't actually blame them at all. If not that Bitcoin has a higher level of volatility do you think it would have gotten this far?

Volatility is inevitable in any kind of a growing and BIG new asset class, and for something as disruptive and all encompassing like bitcoin, it is even more likely to have had been and continue to be volatile into the future... In other words, the volatility did not cause or contribute to bitcoin being successful, even though volatility does happen to be a by-product of bitcoin whether bitcoin is going to continue to be successful or not.

Yeah I agree with you sir so long as Bitcoin is concerned or any asset there is bound to be volatility because is a normal market movement and it involves buying and selling so there must be some ups and downs but however it's quite surprising that must people or rather investors sees the volatility as the determining factor of Bitcoin strength without knowing volatility has nothing to do with the growths  of Bitcoin because if volatility was to be the determining factor of Bitcoin being successful perhaps the price would have gone to zero considering the amount of Bitcoin that's being sold a day, so perhaps just like you said volatility is a normal thing on every assets that has a very good potentials and there is no way it can be averted.

Inasmuch as investment in concerned, every investor is actually interested in a coin that it's future is certain that's why a lot of the investors are involved in Bitcoin. Moreover, you need to understand that despite the popularity of Bitcoin, it's still very much young looking at when it was invented till now so it's gonna take few more years before it's authenticity can be visible for all to see though it takes patience for an investor to make profitable and long lasting investments.

The truth is that no matter how long it takes the authenticity of Bitcoin will always be questioned by some persons because I believe when Bitcoin came to an existence there are people who were still skeptical and question the authenticity of Bitcoin however considering from those days till now and seeing how well and improve Bitcoin has become everybody would have not question the authenticity of Bitcoin, so perhaps if after seeing or witnessing how far Bitcoin has gone now and still doubt the authenticity that means even if it takes 50 years there would still be people who will question the authenticity, so perhaps I don't think there is a possibility for everyone to believe on the authenticity of Bitcoin because if that was possible it would have been done long ago because Bitcoin has shown and prove how authentic it is on this number of years.
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January 31, 2024, 03:11:37 AM
Maybe some people still don't understand some of the pressures that have been said previously for this reason, so there are still people who immediately rush to invest in Bitcoin with only minimal capital and their own intentions and determination without considering emergency funds for themselves in life. Because logically, emergency funds are needed to be able to maintain the Bitcoin that we have previously purchased so that the amount of Bitcoin that has been saved will not be disturbed by bad things in real life.

So this needs to be well understood by everyone who wants to store Bitcoin more comfortably by implementing purchases in several stages or by implementing DCA as has been done by many people at this time. In my opinion, Buy the Dip, and Hodl can be done by everyone by making stages or by DCA as long as everyone has prepared emergency funds so as not to disrupt the previously determined Bitcoin purchase plan within a certain time.

Though it has been discussed here severally that emergency funds should the number plan of an investor so that his Bitcoin portfolio will not be tampered from time to time, but I want you to understand that if an investor is waiting for huge of emergency fund he won't be able to invest in Bitcoin.
I think the remedy to this is that, the investor should set his plans with the available fund, keep the emergency fund aside and do the needful with the remaining fund because, there suitable strategy for everyone here, that's why it has been said that invest with the amount within your reach and as your income keep increase, you accumulate more.
An existing or incoming investor that experienced the dip period should buy but am against waiting for the dip itself because it might t favor you as you calculated.
Your statement is very correct because if an individual want everything to be so perfect before they invest, they will most likely not invest. In economics,  we were thought that human needs are insatiable. This means the more you try to satisfy your needs the more new things comes up. Besides, technology and innovation is improving a lot of things so every now and then new and better things comes up. This is the reason some people change their phone as soon as new model is launched like in the case of iPhone.

To be able to invest in Bitcoin, we must know where to draw the line between what is most important and what is not. There should be some level of discipline we must imbibe for the greater good. For instance, if I already have a phone that is fine and can do main thing I need a phone for, no need of changing it to a higher version that can also do the same thing when I can simply use the money and buy Bitcoin. Such a phone is not a basic need,  so it can wait and that craving will just be one of the sacrifices I have to pay to be able to invest in Bitcoin and secure my future.

So it is important to identify the basic needs, set some funds aside for them, keep some for emergency and then one can start investing in Bitcoin. Other things can be varied and must not be done so one can actually build for the future.
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January 31, 2024, 03:08:24 AM
Waiting for the dip is definitely challenging because no one knows when the price may rise or fall in the market. Those who wait for the dip may miss the dip because of the bullishness. For example, the dip we had a few months ago is no longer possible. No one will get the opportunity to buy bitcoins at $16,000. I've heard some people say they waited for $10,000 after they hit $16,000, but that dream never came true. Of course we would say that dips are good, but if you don't collect bitcoins hoping for more dip, you will regret it later.
You're right buddy. Waiting for a decline when buying bitcoin is not a good thing to do, especially when bitcoin is about to enter a Halving and Bullish market. However, the context of decline that I mean here is definitely a big decline. Because if we talk about small declines that occur in Bitcoin, they will certainly always happen frequently. Therefore buying bitcoin now would be better and don't think too much or wait for the price to fall. The reason is, the current bitcoin cycle is approaching its peak price. So it is true, if you wait for a deep decline in the bitcoin cycle this time it will most likely not be achieved. Unless you wait for the decline until the Bull market is over. If you look at the habits that occur in the bitcoin market price, usually when the halving and bullish markets are over, the bitcoin price always experiences a fairly deep correction. So most likely waiting until this phase is the best opportunity to get a lower bitcoin price. But even so, it is very likely that the correction that occurs after the Bitcoin bull market will definitely be different (will be higher). So if you hope that the correction that occurs after the bullish market that occurs in this phase is the same as the previous bullish market correction, then this is definitely unlikely.

So in conclusion, there is an opportunity waiting to buy bitcoin at a cheaper price after the Bull market ends.

Many investors don't want to understand DCA. But if they do DCA then on the one hand they can increase their holding without financial pressure and on the other hand the change in the price of Bitcoin is not affected.
Every bitcoin investor must have their own strategy and method for investing their money in bitcoin. So it's natural that not all bitcoin investors do DCA. Although actually a good solution to have the most controlled bitcoin is to use the DCA strategy. But the point is that all bitcoin investors have different points of view, friend. But believe me, when they get bored of monitoring the bitcoin market price, they will definitely switch to the DCA strategy.
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January 31, 2024, 03:06:18 AM
Knowing that investing in bitcoin is a long time investment, you should plan better and keep aside the money for investment as this will help you avoid anything that will alter your reasoning because as an investor you must be psychologically  stable.
although the term HODLing tend to suggest that you have to hold it for a little while, investing in bitcoin isn't all that a long term investment  as you suggest because the volatile nature of Bitcoin depict that you could have a reasonable returns even after a few month of investment unlike other asset like land that after buying, you have to wait for as long as five yeas upward before the value of the land will appreciate. We've seen the price of bitcoin rise to $42k this January and then dropped back to around $39k this same January so buying it now and after a week or two the price goes back to the $42k, if you sell it at that price, you've made your profit within the shortest possible time.
You sound mixed up with your expression of HODL as regarding to the concept of the thread, the topic is based upon a presumption of Long term holding or investment plan of about 4 to 10years or longer which will create a better opportunity of experiencing compounding of your invested amount. This is what is being prioritize in the thread and not some buying and selling within the shortest possible time for profit maximization.
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January 31, 2024, 01:41:45 AM
If there is no different funding then Bitcoin will be held off for a long period of time.

If there is no emergency funds available there is no way you can hold your bitcoin for a long time. That's it has been emphasized several times that for you to hold bitcoin for long as an investor make room for emergency funds.

Maybe some people still don't understand some of the pressures that have been said previously for this reason, so there are still people who immediately rush to invest in Bitcoin with only minimal capital and their own intentions and determination without considering emergency funds for themselves in life. Because logically, emergency funds are needed to be able to maintain the Bitcoin that we have previously purchased so that the amount of Bitcoin that has been saved will not be disturbed by bad things in real life.

So this needs to be well understood by everyone who wants to store Bitcoin more comfortably by implementing purchases in several stages or by implementing DCA as has been done by many people at this time. In my opinion, Buy the Dip, and Hodl can be done by everyone by making stages or by DCA as long as everyone has prepared emergency funds so as not to disrupt the previously determined Bitcoin purchase plan within a certain time.

Though it has been discussed here severally that emergency funds should the number plan of an investor so that his Bitcoin portfolio will not be tampered from time to time, but I want you to understand that if an investor is waiting for huge of emergency fund he won't be able to invest in Bitcoin.
I think the remedy to this is that, the investor should set his plans with the available fund, keep the emergency fund aside and do the needful with the remaining fund because, there suitable strategy for everyone here, that's why it has been said that invest with the amount within your reach and as your income keep increase, you accumulate more.
An existing or incoming investor that experienced the dip period should buy but am against waiting for the dip itself because it might t favor you as you calculated.
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January 31, 2024, 01:29:30 AM
Knowing that investing in bitcoin is a long time investment, you should plan better and keep aside the money for investment as this will help you avoid anything that will alter your reasoning because as an investor you must be psychologically  stable.
although the term HODLing tend to suggest that you have to hold it for a little while, investing in bitcoin isn't all that a long term investment  as you suggest because the volatile nature of Bitcoin depict that you could have a reasonable returns even after a few month of investment unlike other asset like land that after buying, you have to wait for as long as five yeas upward before the value of the land will appreciate. We've seen the price of bitcoin rise to $42k this January and then dropped back to around $39k this same January so buying it now and after a week or two the price goes back to the $42k, if you sell it at that price, you've made your profit within the shortest possible time.
If you are are buying bitcoin and selling within few months then you are not a hodler. What you are doing is simply bitcoin scalping for few dollars. Bitcoin investment is for the long term if you must see a reasonable profitability. What happens next if you experience loss in the few months you are talking about will you still sell the bitcoin at loss? You are just looking at the positive side of bitcoin investment without considering the other possibility that price could also dip and it could take time to come up even to the price you bought it. Know it today that bitcoin investment in for the long term.

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This is actually true because this is actually the beat time to invest because you are certain that you wouldn't experience any loss from buying at this current price.
In as much as I agree with you that this is the best time to invest in bitcoin. I won't agree to your statement that you are certain that one wouldn't experience any loss at this current price. Few weeks ago we saw bitcoin price above $48k and many never thought we will see $39k again, but bitcoin surprised them and traded below $40k and those who bought at $48k are still in loss. So in bitcoin investment we expect anything at all time. The market is not always one way.
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January 31, 2024, 01:22:40 AM
and another thing is getting it before others because those who invest into bitcoin first are likely going to have benefits (kind of like Cantillon effect in bitcoin), which surely is not completely fair, but those who know about bitcoin and act upon accumulating earlier rather than later will likely be rewarded more than those who come to bitcoin later.

Sure, I've over heard some investors in their discussion on how they are anticipating for the dip before they buy. And it's very funny how they think their predictions will definitely come to play. The price of Bitcoin due to the concept of scarcity will experience a bulls more than the bears, so definitely the price will go up as time progresses and if they miss the opportunity of accumulating now, the dip they anticipate in buying might even be higher than this current price. Sometimes I classify those who wait for the dip before buying when they have no holding as gamblers.

Actually I don't really no were those investors get that concept that Bitcoin must get to a certain dip before they could buy, actually is a very wrong mentality because considering the potential of Bitcoin and how the price movement behave I see no reason why an investor will allow buying dip to stand as determining factor on his Bitcoin investment because if it happens that the price did not get to the exact point they wish to buy that means they will automatically end up not buying at all.

Perhaps it will be very wise for an investor to learn from the mistakes of other investors because there has been numerous of testimonies concerning how many investors lost the opportunities they had on investing on Bitcoin all in the name waiting for the right moment before they could invest and at the end they end up not getting the opportunity to buy Bitcoin and still so many other investors are still having that mentality of waiting for the dip before they could buy.

Buying at the dip is good but waiting for the dip is not a good idea. The best option is while waiting for the dip, buying by dca could make you reach your target faster.
Waiting for the dip is definitely challenging because no one knows when the price may rise or fall in the market. Those who wait for the dip may miss the dip because of the bullishness. For example, the dip we had a few months ago is no longer possible. No one will get the opportunity to buy bitcoins at $16,000. I've heard some people say they waited for $10,000 after they hit $16,000, but that dream never came true. Of course we would say that dips are good, but if you don't collect bitcoins hoping for more dip, you will regret it later.

Many investors don't want to understand DCA. But if they do DCA then on the one hand they can increase their holding without financial pressure and on the other hand the change in the price of Bitcoin is not affected.

To me an investor that said he is waiting for the price bitcoin to dip does not understand bitcoin concept, do you wait for something is very difficult ascertain when the price will dip or increase, I think the answer is no, when an investor is ready to invest, he should not see the price at any time as obstacle, he should see it as an opportunity to invest, early last year the price of bitcoin was not encouraging but keep happening until it rose to a sufficient amount, it dropped and continue, so I want to ask this investors, if the market keep doing this kind movement how you come to the conclusion to invest, I think procrastination should not be the mindset of an investor so that he or she won't miss out.
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January 31, 2024, 12:55:52 AM
Knowing that investing in bitcoin is a long time investment, you should plan better and keep aside the money for investment as this will help you avoid anything that will alter your reasoning because as an investor you must be psychologically  stable.
although the term HODLing tend to suggest that you have to hold it for a little while, investing in bitcoin isn't all that a long term investment  as you suggest because the volatile nature of Bitcoin depict that you could have a reasonable returns even after a few month of investment unlike other asset like land that after buying, you have to wait for as long as five yeas upward before the value of the land will appreciate. We've seen the price of bitcoin rise to $42k this January and then dropped back to around $39k this same January so buying it now and after a week or two the price goes back to the $42k, if you sell it at that price, you've made your profit within the shortest possible time.

Also, timing the bitcoin market earlier will give you an edge over the market as the higher chance of profitable investment will be there instead of investing late.
 
i guess what you are trying to say is that investing earlier will give you a better advantage over those waiting for the price of bitcoin to drop to as low as $37k before investing as anytime from now, the market will experience a bull that will make people without a single holding to regret their inactions and indecisive nature. This is actually true because this is actually the beat time to invest because you are certain that you wouldn't experience any loss from buying at this current price.
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January 30, 2024, 11:26:38 PM
People with misunderstanding, these are different things altogether, the difference is like indulging in an activity that does not guarantee a 100% assurance of making money through it, though I see people that trade as though they are into it to make fast money, to me there is no short cut in bitcoin investment profit, most times when you think that you want to outsmart the market, you will end up being outshined by what ever tricks you use, bitcoin investment is meant for people with the spirit of perseverance and patience that's why hodling was introduced, why bitcoin has not collapse is because of the holding system, the premature sellers were bridged with this process, the future and continues existence of bitcoin depends on the hodlers that's why hodling will never go into extinction, people with long term holding mindset always smile whenever the time is ripped.
You see, no investment is 100% guaranteed be it a trader or a hodler as all are very risky and due to some unforseen circumstances that may actually affect ones investments make some people to only be interested in trading rather than investing and you can't actually blame them at all. If not that Bitcoin has a higher level of volatility do you think it would have gotten this far?

Volatility is inevitable in any kind of a growing and BIG new asset class, and for something as disruptive and all encompassing like bitcoin, it is even more likely to have had been and continue to be volatile into the future... In other words, the volatility did not cause or contribute to bitcoin being successful, even though volatility does happen to be a by-product of bitcoin whether bitcoin is going to continue to be successful or not.

Inasmuch as investment in concerned, every investor is actually interested in a coin that it's future is certain that's why a lot of the investors are involved in Bitcoin. Moreover, you need to understand that despite the popularity of Bitcoin, it's still very much young looking at when it was invented till now so it's gonna take few more years before it's authenticity can be visible for all to see though it takes patience for an investor to make profitable and long lasting investments.

How do you know how long it is going to take for bitcoin's authenticity will be visible for all to see?  We might not get authenticity in bitcoin for another 50-100 years.  And what does authenticity mean exactly?  There have been certain bitcoin supporters who have already been considering bitcoin to be authentic in the last 10-15 years, and sure there is even variation in terms of how long it might take someone to become convinced about bitcoin, and even if bitcoin might be a one way street for a lot of people who learn about it, there are going to be a lot of folks who do not learn hardly anything about anything, but they merely do what everyone else is doing... so there are some people who consider bitcoin authentic because that is what everyone else is doing, or if they want to buy eggs at the corner stand rather than at the store, the farmer only takes bitcoin, so they have to figure out a way to get bitcoin because they prefer the farmers eggs rather than the store's eggs.

Let the truth be told most people are just interested in short term profits because they're always afraid of the fluctuations in the price of Bitcoin in the market hence they always panic whenever they buy at a dip and instead of the price rising it still dips further but they fail to understand that every dip gives and opportunity to accumulate more and hold for long term profits.

You are correct that we probably don't really know how much of a dip there is going to be at any given time, but still I wonder how many people actually are involved in this process of buying bitcoin, probably less than 1% of the world's population, even though there are some parts of the world in which there are higher percentages of the population who both know about bitcoin and are involved in buying it regularly.

I latter found out he has been following some self acclaimed successful Bitcoin traders on social media. I have actually seen a lot of them and the make trading appear to be a shortcut to wealth and will never tell you the real truth about it.
A lot of trading gurus end up on the wrong side of trades too, so they are all geniuses, until they end up fucking up, and there are quite a few examples of those guys..
This is why I dislike trading because even when you you are a genius in trading doesn't mean that you will not run at loss, so why will I want to learn something that even when I am an expert, I am not guarantee to make profit all the time. A little mistake and you run at a big loss.

Yep, you might have a large number of trades in which you made good money, but then one bad trade or failure to close it properly could end up wiping all of the profits from the previous trades, and sometimes it can be quite difficult to recover, and you would have been better off to employ a more straight forward approach, especially with an asset like bitcoin.  Other assets might be a different story.. because one of the things that happens in bitcoin from time to time is that it does a stair-step up, and maybe that stair step is doubling or tripling or even 5-10x, and then sure it might come back down, but it might not come back down to even close to the amount that you were out of your bitcoin position when you should have been in your bitcoin position. 

And, sometimes, it can be quite difficult to know when those upward stair stepping periods are going to be that you should be in bitcoin because they might end up coming very quickly and without any notice.. you do not notice them until they have already happened or that they are so far into the process of happening that it becomes difficult to know if or when to jump in.. when you should have had already been in, in the first place, rather than fucking around by trying to trade and pick up small amounts of value and failing/refusing to appreciate the value of the asset that you are either betting against or failing/refusing to hold. largely for those unexpected periods in which the price does an upward stair step.... .. We can point to so many of those points on the bitcoin charts, but we likely did not know that they were coming until later down the road and sometimes not even until a year or two later when we are looking at the charts and we figure out that the BTC price is not going back down to those earlier levels.   

The way a child is given birth to and the parents will take care of that child for many years spending and providing for him to make sure that he grows up and become an adult who can take care of himself and also take care of the parents when they are old, is the same way we need to invest in bitcoin and grow it through DCA gradually as a newbie so that a time will come when your bitcoin portfolio size has is big. Your money that you invested into bitcoin will start working for you by generating more profit as the price of bitcoin is increasing with timeline, and your bitcoin investment will start be your pride and it will take care of your expenses and whatever you need money for in your old age.
Your illustration is quite alright but I want to ask you from your illustration what if at the point of the parents taking care of the child in other for them to grow up and take their own responsibility then peradventure the parents losses such a child while they are trying to grow up is it a gain or a lost to the parents? See everything we are doing in life is just risk as no one knows exactly what the future holds or how it might turn out to be so also is our investments as we invest not actually because we are certain that we will make profits but because of our optimism towards positivity so anything is expected to happen to ones investment be it on the short run or the long run.

I doubt that many of us should be investing into bitcoin or anything else with a state of mind that anything can happen, because the fact of the matter is that there are more probable and less probable events and there are better and worse investments, and sometimes, we might invest into a variety of possible outcomes, but it is also quite likely that if something has 1% or less chances of happening, we should be careful that we do not invest more than 1% of our efforts, money and energy into such possibility, but we also should not treat it as zero% either.. so we have to figure out some proportionality in our actions.   

Another thing I doubt that anyone should be investing based on positive feelings, either.  There are needs to be tempered in your investment, and to have enough flexibility to reassess ways that you may be wrong or might have been wrong in the past, and sometimes adjustments might need to be made based on new information. .and positive feelings might not make any difference if you ended up investing into something based on hype rather than substance.

Remember if you don't buy the dip you can't sell the top.

That is a stupid expression... or maybe just a bad way of adising and/or giving guidance to anyone.
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January 30, 2024, 10:52:44 PM
and another thing is getting it before others because those who invest into bitcoin first are likely going to have benefits (kind of like Cantillon effect in bitcoin), which surely is not completely fair, but those who know about bitcoin and act upon accumulating earlier rather than later will likely be rewarded more than those who come to bitcoin later.

Sure, I've over heard some investors in their discussion on how they are anticipating for the dip before they buy. And it's very funny how they think their predictions will definitely come to play. The price of Bitcoin due to the concept of scarcity will experience a bulls more than the bears, so definitely the price will go up as time progresses and if they miss the opportunity of accumulating now, the dip they anticipate in buying might even be higher than this current price. Sometimes I classify those who wait for the dip before buying when they have no holding as gamblers.

Actually I don't really no were those investors get that concept that Bitcoin must get to a certain dip before they could buy, actually is a very wrong mentality because considering the potential of Bitcoin and how the price movement behave I see no reason why an investor will allow buying dip to stand as determining factor on his Bitcoin investment because if it happens that the price did not get to the exact point they wish to buy that means they will automatically end up not buying at all.

Perhaps it will be very wise for an investor to learn from the mistakes of other investors because there has been numerous of testimonies concerning how many investors lost the opportunities they had on investing on Bitcoin all in the name waiting for the right moment before they could invest and at the end they end up not getting the opportunity to buy Bitcoin and still so many other investors are still having that mentality of waiting for the dip before they could buy.
Most investors who wait to buy bitcoin dip are doing so to make sure they buy bitcoin at a low rate since they want to accumulate their bitcoin at once with a lump sum buy. In the process, they might miss out on bitcoin because the price they were expecting it to dip to didn't happen again. When you find yourself in this situation, instead of waiting for a particular price before you buy with a lump sum, just divide the funds for the lump sum buy into two equal parts and use one part to start accumulating bitcoin with the DCA strategy, and keep the second part what you will use to lump sum on bitcoin when bitcoin dips to the price you were expecting.
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January 30, 2024, 07:59:46 PM
Exactly since you could touch your balances which supposed to be used for holding if you don't have enough emergency funds to use for certain things needed in future. That's why its been discussed that 3 months is already enough and some other say 6 months is fine so that they will be in good shape and nothing will disturb them towards their long term hodl plans. 

If they just say that they are here for hodl but they don't do any long term preparation for sure they would fail especially if these people will encounter a huge upset and the market will suddenly experience a bear market condition since provably they would dump their coins to save their asses. For this scenario emergency funds is really needed so that they will not think about touching anything then can afford or able to forget the funds they saved.
At least 3 months of emergency funds are enough, there are also 6 months then this is better at least you are safe when there is an urgent need because with 6 months of funds of course there is still a remainder you will also not worry if you have 6 months as a reserve fund. The point is that the greater the funds in reserve you will feel safe and not disturb the investment that is being built.

Yes, someone with unpreparedness, the investment will be a little disturbed, especially if you don't think about emergency funds, you will definitely rely on existing funds, including investment funds that will be sold in the middle of the road due to other unexpected spending needs.

Actually, it's not about the market going down due to bearish that will be sold, because of their unpreparedness with emergency funds, what hurts more is where they don't have an emergency fund while the only existing assets are in BTC at that time the price is bearish, so he loses twice because he sells at a low price, and then he builds an investment in vain.
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January 30, 2024, 06:49:44 PM
If there is no different funding then Bitcoin will be held off for a long period of time.

If there is no emergency funds available there is no way you can hold your bitcoin for a long time. That's it has been emphasized several times that for you to hold bitcoin for long as an investor make room for emergency funds.

An emergency savings is not what we should use to play when we really want to hold our Bitcoin investment over a long period of time. A lot of people always have plans to hold their Bitcoin for a very long period of time, but because of emergency savings they lacks side is what makes them sell their Bitcoin or sell part of their period when the problem arises. So for a smooth Bitcoin investment, we should always know that emergency savings are always necessary, and we should alao be trying to continue saving for emergencies that may arise in the future and as we continue accumulating more Bitcoin.
 


Yes indeed saving for emergency cannot be neglected as an investor especially if you do not want to sell your assets out of emergency events, this could be anything it could be an unforseen accident, sudden expense of anything that could tempt you to touch or tamper with ur bitcoin holdings. And this is something that we must avoid as bitcoin holders.

If someone is afraid of the dip, how will you see profitability in bitcoin. If you have been in the crypto for long, you will understand that dip is one of the most interesting time in the market. Dip gives you the opportunity to gather more and position yourself. Yes I know everyone loves to see the green candles, than the red candles, the beauty of the market as an investor is when you see the dip as an opportunity instead of seeing the fear that others are seeing. Remember if you don't buy the dip you can't sell the top. Those who are scared of the dip are newbies. Without dip there won't be much profitability in bitcoin investment.
IMO, bitcoin dip would only favour those that take advantage of it, and whilst people fail to take advantage of bitcoin dip is cause they fear that would lose money, if the down trend Continues but they dont also think in terms of long term holdings where you don't have to bother about price fluctuations in the market but see each cycle as an opportunity to gather more bitcoin for yourself and even gain greater rewards, bitcoin price has been progressive historically and whist we cannot predict the future bases on past performance we long term holders have a greater hope of making profits than traders or shot term investors.
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