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January 30, 2024, 06:21:47 PM
Exactly, I think one of the thing that can also help an investor when it come to bitcoin is  being flexible knowing that you are not the one controlling the market the market is controlled by different factors so waiting for it to reach a certain dip before you invest is like saying you are the one controlling the bitcoin  movement and I can say this is really a sign of greed and fear of course it will lead  to missing out from good opportunity. 

Those who wait for the market to drop before they can buy bitcoin most of the time they always end up not being able to buy any bitcoin at all as that price which they are waiting for to happen might never be able to happen this is bitcoin market which is wide and not just a regular market which one person is the distributor of the product,

then again those who are speculating that the price is going to drop as they presume they are not greedy but those people are just too afraid to take a risk in life and I will say they are not even fit to be bitcoin investors in the first place so they should either stop their procrastination and invest or better still remove their mind from their instead of hoping on something that might never happen.
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January 30, 2024, 06:03:24 PM

I thought that I mostly already sufficiently explained what I meant, but let me see if I can give it another try.

Ultimately you are in charge of whatever you believe are your parameters for investing or to make your goals.

I think that my main negative reaction to Fuso.hp was the way he was specifically saying that a long term investor needed to have some kind of a specific timeline and maybe some other specific investment parameters at the time that he invests, and it largely sounded too strict to me, even if Fuso.hp might not be completely wrong.

Frequently it is proclaimed that we might be able to predict price or time but we cannot predict both, even though we might create various objectives in terms of timeline and we might even create certain objectives in terms of time, and maybe they might end up crossing over, but there are also circumstances in which we may need to have some flexibility too.

Let's say, that you start to invest into bitcoin, and you also have a real job, and you know that you are going to be quitting that job in 5 years and you are going to take whatever you have in terms of the job and also in terms of what bitcoin that you have at that time and you are going to start to live off of it and you have a specific location that you plan to move and you also have some planned activities and/or work and/or hobbies... and your Plan A will be followed  as long as the total is above $1 million (combination of bitcoin and fiat), but if the amount is less than $1 million but it is at least $700k, then you are going to do plan B, which still involves quitting your job, but you have a another job that you will do in order to make up the difference so that you can follow plan A once you reach $1 million.  You also might have a plan C that you would follow if the amount is less than $700k but more than $400k.

I don't see any problem with setting those kind of conditions on yourself, as long as you are being realistic about what is reachable and you have various kinds of plans for various contingencies.  I just have problems when there are suggestions that you have to have specific plans at the time that you enter into your investment because some of the plans might develop as you go.

For example, you might say that you are going to invest and every year you are going to reassess, and you are anticipating making big changes in your plans after investing year 4, 8 and 12, and you are expecting to reach  fuck you status by 20 to 30 years, but you are not exactly sure about what that is going to look like, but your plans to continue to assess every year and that you are likely to make big adjustments every 4 years could be tentative plans that end up working out or you mght make adjustments along the way based on how things are developing, so you cannot really nail down any specifcs from the start because at the very beginning you have hardly any clue about how it is going to go.

Maybe you start investing only in bitcoin at 10% of your income, but you know that would take you 10 years to get one year's salary expenses, so you have plans to increase your percentage and also to increase your income and to cut your expenses, but at the same time, you consider that you have to improve your skills and maybe even go to college in order to increase your income possibilities, and  a lot of this takes time and you cannot necessarily know how it is all going to play out right from the start even though BTC could be a part of your plan (and maybe even an anticipated central part of your plan).

From what you've said,  I've finally started to see a bit of flexibility in long term investment in bitcoin, I normally used to think that our plans would be fixed in such a way that you cannot change your original plan until a particular time has reached, let's say I plan on investing 10% of my income into DCA and let's say another 15% into building my emergency and reserves since I am still a newbie investor and lests say ,  during the phase of my initial plan I happened to get an income raise of an extra 500$ on my initial 1000$ weekly income, I Is possible that instead of increasing my original plan, I might decide to rent a house for the sake of getting comfort or privacy or I might even decide to get an extra skill to enable me invest more into bitcoin. And I also believe that DCA I'd the best strategy for lo g term investment cause it offers a very flexible way of accumulating or investing in bitcoin that you can decide to change anytime based on your goals. Like during my earlier investment time, I had tried allocating different percentage for different weekly intervals based on price fluctuations and in a way that makes me feel I'm investing with a little precision, let's say my original plan of 10% in bitcoin weekly and they happen to be a dip on my next week, normally it's okay to lump sum and still DCA but in cases when I didn't plan ahead or haven't built enough emergency and reserves to take advantage of such conditions, I just chuck down my expenses a bit and increase my allocation to maybe 20% or 30% for that weeks dip and back to my original plan if the price goes back up, its all subject to change.

And now I feel I could play around my investment and plans in a way that since I do desire to accumulate a massive amount of bitcoin in my first 4 years, I would be able to adjust my plans and allocations maybe at a yearly interval depending on my progress in investing and any other condition I feel necessary to be meat that would give me a boost in achieving my goal faster, but I still feel If I remove all specifics with respect to time and goal I might not be able to calculate my progress in such a way that I would know if I am doing okay or if I am to improve and add other strategies.


You see, no investment is 100% guaranteed be it a trader or a hodler as all are very risky and due to some unforseen circumstances that may actually affect ones investments make some people to only be interested in trading rather than investing and you can't actually blame them at all.

Well it's true that everything carries its risk and we don't know what to expect from the market at any time, but this cannot be an excuse to gamble your asset in trading, I'm not saying is not profitable but its not worth it. What circumstances are you talking about that may affect once investment?, If you are referring to volatility, this is mostly temporary and if you are a long term holder, you would be sure that bitcoin would recover from any price fall, historically holders have been more successful than traders in bitcoin. Expecially if you are in early stages of accumulation don't let trading distract you with quick profits it offers, you might end up losing all your accumulation from fucking around.


Let the truth be told most people are just interested in short term profits because they're always afraid of the fluctuations in the price of Bitcoin in the market hence they always panic whenever they buy at a dip and instead of the price rising it still dips further but they fail to understand that every dip gives and opportunity to accumulate more and hold for long term profits.

You are really mixing things up here, short term investors are mostly interested in the volatility of bitcoin to make profits, its true that they mostly have this mentality of buying on dips and with bitcoin it might not favour them and the price ends up dipping even more and more and they might panic and sell at even a lower price or end up holding for even longer.
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January 30, 2024, 05:54:06 PM
and another thing is getting it before others because those who invest into bitcoin first are likely going to have benefits (kind of like Cantillon effect in bitcoin), which surely is not completely fair, but those who know about bitcoin and act upon accumulating earlier rather than later will likely be rewarded more than those who come to bitcoin later.

Sure, I've over heard some investors in their discussion on how they are anticipating for the dip before they buy. And it's very funny how they think their predictions will definitely come to play. The price of Bitcoin due to the concept of scarcity will experience a bulls more than the bears, so definitely the price will go up as time progresses and if they miss the opportunity of accumulating now, the dip they anticipate in buying might even be higher than this current price. Sometimes I classify those who wait for the dip before buying when they have no holding as gamblers.

Actually I don't really no were those investors get that concept that Bitcoin must get to a certain dip before they could buy, actually is a very wrong mentality because considering the potential of Bitcoin and how the price movement behave I see no reason why an investor will allow buying dip to stand as determining factor on his Bitcoin investment because if it happens that the price did not get to the exact point they wish to buy that means they will automatically end up not buying at all.

Perhaps it will be very wise for an investor to learn from the mistakes of other investors because there has been numerous of testimonies concerning how many investors lost the opportunities they had on investing on Bitcoin all in the name waiting for the right moment before they could invest and at the end they end up not getting the opportunity to buy Bitcoin and still so many other investors are still having that mentality of waiting for the dip before they could buy.

Buy on dips is not such a bad strategy, but when it is been prioritized as a determining factor for investing or buying then it's more like trying to gamble the market, and I think these set of persons are not actually long term holders, cause true long term holders are looking at accumulating more bitcoin while these short term investors are just there to make quick profits, hence why they prioritize buying at dips, but the flaw of their design is the fact that you can't really tell if the dip you bought is the last dip, what if the Market continues to dip and you end up catching a falling knife 😅. Moreover, there are times that people tend to wait for the dip for long and it doesn't come meanwhile if they have been dcaing consistently during those times they would have gotten enough in their bitcoin portfolio. Buying at the dip is good but waiting for the dip is not a good idea. The best option is while waiting for the dip, buying by dca could make you reach your target faster.

Both short term and long term hodlers buys at the dip, whichever price they feel is their dip, which is enough for them. The difference between these set of investors is that the long term investors are always engaging in the market at all point, by make use of the available methods of investments, Dcaying on a regular intervals, lump sum buy and buying the dip. Where as the short term investors are always waiting for their perfect dip price. But many of the short term holders are always confused most times as they don't even have an established level of dip they want to see in the market before they buy. Few week ago some of them were praying for price to get to $40k before they will buy, but when price went below that they didn't buy rather they went on and moved their waiting van to $35k region. Now look at where it has landed them. The long term investors are never like this, they make use of every opportunity they see in the market so they stand a better chance of getting something out.

It is not enough to wait for dip, but set a target on the level of dip you want to see in the market before buying. This is for those who are always in the waiting room. It could be a dip of 5-6% from current price. The moment this price is achieved, buy your bitcoin. Don't even be tempted to see if there will be further dip or not. This will help you not to miss out your priority of grabbing some bitcoin.
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January 30, 2024, 05:27:13 PM

Actually I don't really no were those investors get that concept that Bitcoin must get to a certain dip before they could buy, actually is a very wrong mentality because considering the potential of Bitcoin and how the price movement behave I see no reason why an investor will allow buying dip to stand as determining factor on his Bitcoin investment because if it happens that the price did not get to the exact point they wish to buy that means they will automatically end up not buying at all.

Perhaps it will be very wise for an investor to learn from the mistakes of other investors because there has been numerous of testimonies concerning how many investors lost the opportunities they had on investing on Bitcoin all in the name waiting for the right moment before they could invest and at the end they end up not getting the opportunity to buy Bitcoin and still so many other investors are still having that mentality of waiting for the dip before they could buy.


Exactly, I think one of the thing that can also help an investor when it come to bitcoin is  being flexible knowing that you are not the one controlling the market the market is controlled by different factors so waiting for it to reach a certain dip before you invest is like saying you are the one controlling the bitcoin  movement and I can say this is really a sign of greed and fear of course it will lead  to missing out from good opportunity.
 
Knowing that investing in bitcoin is a long time investment, you should plan better and keep aside the money for investment as this will help you avoid anything that will alter your reasoning because as an investor you must be psychologically  stable.
Also, timing the bitcoin market earlier will give you an edge over the market as the higher chance of profitable investment will be there instead of investing late.
 
nice!!! Actually like this mostly when you mentioned the two most common emotions in investing. Those of you that are always found of wanting to buy when it's dip though buying at such time may make your investment to be more effective and profitable. But how sure are you that you won't end up missing out big time. There's a reason why DCA strategies was introduced. If you want to make it an habit of always waiting for market to dip first before diving in. You should just get ready of missing out.

But when you are DCAing you can keep accumulating bitcoin even when it's price decreases or increases. Using such methods or strategies endures that the chances of you missing out is low and whenever the coin under a nice surge your funds would also undergo that nice surge too. One fun thing of DCA most time you don't have to have a fixed amount. You can buy any quantities irrespective to the funds you have that moment
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January 30, 2024, 05:02:31 PM

Actually I don't really no were those investors get that concept that Bitcoin must get to a certain dip before they could buy, actually is a very wrong mentality because considering the potential of Bitcoin and how the price movement behave I see no reason why an investor will allow buying dip to stand as determining factor on his Bitcoin investment because if it happens that the price did not get to the exact point they wish to buy that means they will automatically end up not buying at all.

Perhaps it will be very wise for an investor to learn from the mistakes of other investors because there has been numerous of testimonies concerning how many investors lost the opportunities they had on investing on Bitcoin all in the name waiting for the right moment before they could invest and at the end they end up not getting the opportunity to buy Bitcoin and still so many other investors are still having that mentality of waiting for the dip before they could buy.


Exactly, I think one of the thing that can also help an investor when it come to bitcoin is  being flexible knowing that you are not the one controlling the market the market is controlled by different factors so waiting for it to reach a certain dip before you invest is like saying you are the one controlling the bitcoin  movement and I can say this is really a sign of greed and fear of course it will lead  to missing out from good opportunity.
 
Knowing that investing in bitcoin is a long time investment, you should plan better and keep aside the money for investment as this will help you avoid anything that will alter your reasoning because as an investor you must be psychologically  stable.
Also, timing the bitcoin market earlier will give you an edge over the market as the higher chance of profitable investment will be there instead of investing late.
 
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January 30, 2024, 04:08:47 PM
If there is no different funding then Bitcoin will be held off for a long period of time.

If there is no emergency funds available there is no way you can hold your bitcoin for a long time. That's it has been emphasized several times that for you to hold bitcoin for long as an investor make room for emergency funds.

An emergency savings is not what we should use to play when we really want to hold our Bitcoin investment over a long period of time. A lot of people always have plans to hold their Bitcoin for a very long period of time, but because of emergency savings they lacks side is what makes them sell their Bitcoin or sell part of their period when the problem arises. So for a smooth Bitcoin investment, we should always know that emergency savings are always necessary, and we should alao be trying to continue saving for emergencies that may arise in the future and as we continue accumulating more Bitcoin.
 
@Justbillywitt, You are 100 percent correct.
@Humblevirus, Emergency saving is something everyone ought to consider landscape aside in every setting not only in the Bitcoin investment area, and if you want to do it right there should also be room for funds whose purpose is for learning and skill improvement to be ahead in the space that will operate.
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January 30, 2024, 04:07:05 PM
It is looking like a lot of people are mixing things up as regards what a dip is thereby making it complicated. It is not supposed to be that way. During the period of ETF approval, Bitcoin rose sharply to over $49k before the retracement started and price declined to around $39k, a $10k drop in price. This is a good example of a dip but it does not have to go that low before anyone buying the dips should start taking advantage of the discounted price. Under this scenario, an aggressive investor who have already set aside funds for buying the dips would have started buying already when price dropped to $42k and lower. You must not get the bottom where the price will turn and start going up as that is irrelevant, you are only focused on buying at discounted prices.

I apply the DCA method  but I sometimes also buy the dip when I have surplus funds after setting aside my emergency funds and that of my basic needs with my DCA running smoothly unaffected. So buying the dip should not be complicated as many people make it seem because it is a nice way of accumulating Bitcoin in addition to the DCA method.
planning purchases that they often put off will make them hesitate to press the buy button. Yes, in an effort to dispel doubts, of course they are better off implementing the DCA strategy as most of us have done. Yes, for example they were waiting for the price of $39k and a few days ago Bitcoin experienced a correction to $39k but they were still hesitant to buy and of course they missed a moment to buy on dips. For this reason, don't hesitate in every decision to buy because the price will not be at the same point and will definitely change in a matter of minutes.

After all, we are buying bitcoin for the long term so why is there any hesitation in continuing to buy. Yes, if they had known about bitcoin earlier, I think they would also have been hesitant to buy because the nature of doubt is very difficult to eliminate in their minds if they have no certainty in their every action. So if we are not good at reading charts, it is better to just buy regularly, whether every week or every month, because to find the cheapest price, of course, buy regularly.
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January 30, 2024, 02:59:05 PM
Waiting for the dip is definitely challenging because no one knows when the price may rise or fall in the market. Those who wait for the dip may miss the dip because of the bullishness. For example, the dip we had a few months ago is no longer possible. No one will get the opportunity to buy bitcoins at $16,000. I've heard some people say they waited for $10,000 after they hit $16,000, but that dream never came true. Of course we would say that dips are good, but if you don't collect bitcoins hoping for more dip, you will regret it later.

Many investors don't want to understand DCA. But if they do DCA then on the one hand they can increase their holding without financial pressure and on the other hand the change in the price of Bitcoin is not affected.
It is looking like a lot of people are mixing things up as regards what a dip is thereby making it complicated. It is not supposed to be that way. During the period of ETF approval, Bitcoin rose sharply to over $49k before the retracement started and price declined to around $39k, a $10k drop in price. This is a good example of a dip but it does not have to go that low before anyone buying the dips should start taking advantage of the discounted price. Under this scenario, an aggressive investor who have already set aside funds for buying the dips would have started buying already when price dropped to $42k and lower. You must not get the bottom where the price will turn and start going up as that is irrelevant, you are only focused on buying at discounted prices.

I apply the DCA method  but I sometimes also buy the dip when I have surplus funds after setting aside my emergency funds and that of my basic needs with my DCA running smoothly unaffected. So buying the dip should not be complicated as many people make it seem because it is a nice way of accumulating Bitcoin in addition to the DCA method.
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January 30, 2024, 02:35:37 PM
The way a child is given birth to and the parents will take care of that child for many years spending and providing for him to make sure that he grows up and become an adult who can take care of himself and also take care of the parents when they are old, is the same way we need to invest in bitcoin and grow it through DCA gradually as a newbie so that a time will come when your bitcoin portfolio size has is big. Your money that you invested into bitcoin will start working for you by generating more profit as the price of bitcoin is increasing with timeline, and your bitcoin investment will start be your pride and it will take care of your expenses and whatever you need money for in your old age.

Your illustration is quite alright but I want to ask you from your illustration what if at the point of the parents taking care of the child in other for them to grow up and take their own responsibility then peradventure the parents losses such a child while they are trying to grow up is it a gain or a lost to the parents? See everything we are doing in life is just risk as no one knows exactly what the future holds or how it might turn out to be so also is our investments as we invest not actually because we are certain that we will make profits but because of our optimism towards positivity so anything is expected to happen to ones investment be it on the short run or the long run.
Majority of parents train their children till adulthood and even see their grand children, only few that are unlucky due to uncertainty that lose their children before they become adults. Majority of traders run at loss but only few make profit.

When the source of funds have been established, then the money should generally be divided into three parts which are for basic needs, for emergency needs and then the part for investment. Each of this should be carefully calculated to be able to get them right from the beginning and when that is done, the journey of Bitcoin investment will become smooth and effortless without the panic and anxiety that many investors exhibit.
I think for a newbie getting these calculations right might be a difficult thing cause speaking from experience the best way for anyone to learn these strategies is to start doing them as soon as possible then on the process of doing so you would better start to the reasons for setting up each of them.

It is easy to calculate it as long as you know your total cash inflow for the month, and from that, you can calculate out your monthly needs, keep your emergency funds just like stated by @Odohu based on your own scenario, so that you can know the exact funds that you will use to invest through DCA weekly, or monthly that wouldn't stress your as a newbie. When you fail to have these figured out and properly planned for since you are going on a long term drive, you are putting yourself at big risk and you will fail in your plans because you don't even know your left from your right. Don't play with keeping your emergency funds and basic needs funds sorted out before investing, it is very important.
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January 30, 2024, 12:26:14 PM
and another thing is getting it before others because those who invest into bitcoin first are likely going to have benefits (kind of like Cantillon effect in bitcoin), which surely is not completely fair, but those who know about bitcoin and act upon accumulating earlier rather than later will likely be rewarded more than those who come to bitcoin later.

Sure, I've over heard some investors in their discussion on how they are anticipating for the dip before they buy. And it's very funny how they think their predictions will definitely come to play. The price of Bitcoin due to the concept of scarcity will experience a bulls more than the bears, so definitely the price will go up as time progresses and if they miss the opportunity of accumulating now, the dip they anticipate in buying might even be higher than this current price. Sometimes I classify those who wait for the dip before buying when they have no holding as gamblers.

Actually I don't really no were those investors get that concept that Bitcoin must get to a certain dip before they could buy, actually is a very wrong mentality because considering the potential of Bitcoin and how the price movement behave I see no reason why an investor will allow buying dip to stand as determining factor on his Bitcoin investment because if it happens that the price did not get to the exact point they wish to buy that means they will automatically end up not buying at all.

Perhaps it will be very wise for an investor to learn from the mistakes of other investors because there has been numerous of testimonies concerning how many investors lost the opportunities they had on investing on Bitcoin all in the name waiting for the right moment before they could invest and at the end they end up not getting the opportunity to buy Bitcoin and still so many other investors are still having that mentality of waiting for the dip before they could buy.

Buying at the dip is good but waiting for the dip is not a good idea. The best option is while waiting for the dip, buying by dca could make you reach your target faster.
Waiting for the dip is definitely challenging because no one knows when the price may rise or fall in the market. Those who wait for the dip may miss the dip because of the bullishness. For example, the dip we had a few months ago is no longer possible. No one will get the opportunity to buy bitcoins at $16,000. I've heard some people say they waited for $10,000 after they hit $16,000, but that dream never came true. Of course we would say that dips are good, but if you don't collect bitcoins hoping for more dip, you will regret it later.

Many investors don't want to understand DCA. But if they do DCA then on the one hand they can increase their holding without financial pressure and on the other hand the change in the price of Bitcoin is not affected.
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January 30, 2024, 10:40:48 AM

Trading Bitcoin to me doesn't seem like gamble though it's risky but sometimes if you follow the right signals and watch the activities of coins in market cap. closely them you can actually make some profits from it just that the profit wouldn't be that much and people who trade Bitcoins are are only interested in the short term profit rather than being patient and enjoy a long term gain but however, every investor is entitled to how they actually want their investments to go so sometimes they do make profits from trading bitcoins.

Trading is totally unpredictable and there is a risk of you losing your money, cause what you are actually doing is predicting the next move of the Market and bitcoin has proven to be unpredictable, yes you might be lucky and yes their is a place for study and analysis, but what this enables you to so is to make better decisions and does not eliminates the fact that the Market remains unpredictable.

Okay let me say it this way, I do have a brother that gambles on soccer league and I've watched him make some analysis before predicting, he goes and checks for the past performance of the football teams and use that performance to make his predictions, sometimes it would go as planned and some times not, fo a fact that he analysied through past performance and checked a few prediction sites doesn't remove the fact that the outcome remains uncertain and is a gamble same with trading, although I don't want to talk down on trading and call it gambling but the rules are thesame, and its not reasonable for someone to be fucking around  with an asset like bitcoin, cause it has real value, you can gambling with your money ( fait) but not bitcoin, how many persons would place a bet with their homes or valued real estate, bro same as bitcoin here. I guess we all have to start seeing bitcoin as a valued asset. And that way we won't be having funny ideas playing with bitcoin.


Every system of investment is risky and it is important not to invest or trade with emotions as one need to be focused regardless of what the outcome of your investments may turn out to be. Trading Bitcoin isn't that bad if actually one can follow some basic trading ethics and principles then you can actually makes some cool profits from it though buying and holdling is still the best option because you're in control of your bitcoin and for now the main purpose of inventing Bitcoin is to acquire it in our individual portfolio and hold it till it attains it's highest ATH then you can decide what to do with it.
Your making it sound so easy, I don't think so, you might get your analysis right but at same time the market could go against you. And about controlling your emotions, how can I put my emotions at rest when something as valuable as bitcoin is on the line. Trading Bitcoin isn't just risky its unwise especially as a newbie investor just starting to accumulate bitcoin, from what I've been reading on this thread, of you must trade your holdings, use a very little percentage, but that should be after when you have accumulated a lot of bitcoin.
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January 30, 2024, 09:50:48 AM
and another thing is getting it before others because those who invest into bitcoin first are likely going to have benefits (kind of like Cantillon effect in bitcoin), which surely is not completely fair, but those who know about bitcoin and act upon accumulating earlier rather than later will likely be rewarded more than those who come to bitcoin later.

Sure, I've over heard some investors in their discussion on how they are anticipating for the dip before they buy. And it's very funny how they think their predictions will definitely come to play. The price of Bitcoin due to the concept of scarcity will experience a bulls more than the bears, so definitely the price will go up as time progresses and if they miss the opportunity of accumulating now, the dip they anticipate in buying might even be higher than this current price. Sometimes I classify those who wait for the dip before buying when they have no holding as gamblers.

Actually I don't really no were those investors get that concept that Bitcoin must get to a certain dip before they could buy, actually is a very wrong mentality because considering the potential of Bitcoin and how the price movement behave I see no reason why an investor will allow buying dip to stand as determining factor on his Bitcoin investment because if it happens that the price did not get to the exact point they wish to buy that means they will automatically end up not buying at all.

Perhaps it will be very wise for an investor to learn from the mistakes of other investors because there has been numerous of testimonies concerning how many investors lost the opportunities they had on investing on Bitcoin all in the name waiting for the right moment before they could invest and at the end they end up not getting the opportunity to buy Bitcoin and still so many other investors are still having that mentality of waiting for the dip before they could buy.

Buy on dips is not such a bad strategy, but when it is been prioritized as a determining factor for investing or buying then it's more like trying to gamble the market, and I think these set of persons are not actually long term holders, cause true long term holders are looking at accumulating more bitcoin while these short term investors are just there to make quick profits, hence why they prioritize buying at dips, but the flaw of their design is the fact that you can't really tell if the dip you bought is the last dip, what if the Market continues to dip and you end up catching a falling knife 😅. Moreover, there are times that people tend to wait for the dip for long and it doesn't come meanwhile if they have been dcaing consistently during those times they would have gotten enough in their bitcoin portfolio. Buying at the dip is good but waiting for the dip is not a good idea. The best option is while waiting for the dip, buying by dca could make you reach your target faster.
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January 30, 2024, 08:39:49 AM
If there is no different funding then Bitcoin will be held off for a long period of time.

If there is no emergency funds available there is no way you can hold your bitcoin for a long time. That's it has been emphasized several times that for you to hold bitcoin for long as an investor make room for emergency funds.

An emergency savings is not what we should use to play when we really want to hold our Bitcoin investment over a long period of time. A lot of people always have plans to hold their Bitcoin for a very long period of time, but because of emergency savings they lacks side is what makes them sell their Bitcoin or sell part of their period when the problem arises. So for a smooth Bitcoin investment, we should always know that emergency savings are always necessary, and we should alao be trying to continue saving for emergencies that may arise in the future and as we continue accumulating more Bitcoin.
 
 


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January 30, 2024, 08:36:34 AM
If there is no different funding then Bitcoin will be held off for a long period of time.

If there is no emergency funds available there is no way you can hold your bitcoin for a long time. That's it has been emphasized several times that for you to hold bitcoin for long as an investor make room for emergency funds.
 



Exactly since you could touch your balances which supposed to be used for holding if you don't have enough emergency funds to use for certain things needed in future. That's why its been discussed that 3 months is already enough and some other say 6 months is fine so that they will be in good shape and nothing will disturb them towards their long term hodl plans. 

If they just say that they are here for hodl but they don't do any long term preparation for sure they would fail especially if these people will encounter a huge upset and the market will suddenly experience a bear market condition since provably they would dump their coins to save their asses. For this scenario emergency funds is really needed so that they will not think about touching anything then can afford or able to forget the funds they saved.
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January 30, 2024, 06:51:06 AM
The way a child is given birth to and the parents will take care of that child for many years spending and providing for him to make sure that he grows up and become an adult who can take care of himself and also take care of the parents when they are old, is the same way we need to invest in bitcoin and grow it through DCA gradually as a newbie so that a time will come when your bitcoin portfolio size has is big. Your money that you invested into bitcoin will start working for you by generating more profit as the price of bitcoin is increasing with timeline, and your bitcoin investment will start be your pride and it will take care of your expenses and whatever you need money for in your old age.
This is absolutely correct, I really like the illustration you have given as it paint a clear picture of why we must prioritize investing now that we have the opportunity because it is what we save now that can save us tomorrow. The DCA method is really a golden opportunity for us since it comes with it the discipline and rest of mind that should follow every worthy investment. Those who appreciate the power of starting small will be able to picture the future through the DCA method.

Every system of investment is risky and it is important not to invest or trade with emotions as one need to be focused regardless of what the outcome of your investments may turn out to be. Trading Bitcoin isn't that bad if actually one can follow some basic trading ethics and principles then you can actually makes some cool profits from it though buying and holdling is still the best option because you're in control of your bitcoin and for now the main purpose of inventing Bitcoin is to acquire it in our individual portfolio and hold it till it attains it's highest ATH then you can decide what to do with it.
Will I say that you are short minded because you sound more like a trader than someone who have the intention to hodli for long. What is the point of Selling all your bitcoin portfolio in ATH, what will you do with the money that can yield you a better profit than bitcoin in the next four years, after you sold it. You want to start all over again, and miss the benefits of the compounding profit that your bitcoin will generate for you. You should also put into consideration that the price of bitcoin increases with timeline, so if you were able to accumulate 0.3 btc and sell it during the Bull run at ATH. It will be very hard for you to buy back 0.3 btc with the same amount that you bought it then.

I'm not a trader but I've seen some investors that have been into trading Bitcoin and they are good regardless of the fact that they make few profits from it and moreover, how can an investor sell off all his coin when he knows that he can't buy it lesser than the amount he sold it so if any investor decides to sell off all his coin then he doesn't really know what investment is all about.
I don't think we are discussing how good trading is or not. If we begin to discuss trading now we may derail from the topic of discussion. You can already see many comments about people losing money to trading, that should tell you that trading is not for everyone unlike investing in Bitcoin for longterm hold which can be done by anyone if the simple principle like DCA is followed religiously.

Why will anyone go into trading that can wipe out your entire money leaving you in regret instead of focusing on accumulating Bitcoin gradually until you build something magnificent in the future. One thing I know about humans is that some people do not learn from the mistakes of others.






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January 30, 2024, 06:12:42 AM


When the source of funds have been established, then the money should generally be divided into three parts which are for basic needs, for emergency needs and then the part for investment. Each of this should be carefully calculated to be able to get them right from the beginning and when that is done, the journey of Bitcoin investment will become smooth and effortless without the panic and anxiety that many investors exhibit.
I think for a newbie getting these calculations right might be a difficult thing cause speaking from experience the best way for anyone to learn these strategies is to start doing them as soon as possible then on the process of doing so you would better start to the reasons for setting up each of them. Yes and it's also very important that we establish our income in such a way that we are very comfortable with investing in bitcoin and also so that we can take advantage of every Market condition that comes our way. And for a newbie I also think think as important as getting our income, emergency funds and reserves in place its also good we try not to fuck around with our holdings with risky practices like selling to get more bitcoin, cause the market can go against your favour and you would end up buying higher than you sold and also risky practices like trading, it's totally unwise to be rucking around your bitcoin especially in your early stage of accumulating bitcoin, our focus should be on regular and consistent DCA buying until maybe 2 years or 4 years before we decide to maybe go a little aggressive or start trying to be smart about our investment, maybe applying strategic selling to aquire more bitcoin but this should be done with only a minimal amount of our holdings like 10% if possible.
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January 30, 2024, 06:07:08 AM
If there is no different funding then Bitcoin will be held off for a long period of time.

If there is no emergency funds available there is no way you can hold your bitcoin for a long time. That's it has been emphasized several times that for you to hold bitcoin for long as an investor make room for emergency funds.

Maybe some people still don't understand some of the pressures that have been said previously for this reason, so there are still people who immediately rush to invest in Bitcoin with only minimal capital and their own intentions and determination without considering emergency funds for themselves in life. Because logically, emergency funds are needed to be able to maintain the Bitcoin that we have previously purchased so that the amount of Bitcoin that has been saved will not be disturbed by bad things in real life.

So this needs to be well understood by everyone who wants to store Bitcoin more comfortably by implementing purchases in several stages or by implementing DCA as has been done by many people at this time. In my opinion, Buy the Dip, and Hodl can be done by everyone by making stages or by DCA as long as everyone has prepared emergency funds so as not to disrupt the previously determined Bitcoin purchase plan within a certain time.
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January 30, 2024, 06:02:04 AM
People with misunderstanding, these are different things altogether, the difference is like indulging in an activity that does not guarantee a 100% assurance of making money through it, though I see people that trade as though they are into it to make fast money, to me there is no short cut in bitcoin investment profit, most times when you think that you want to outsmart the market, you will end up being outshined by what ever tricks you use, bitcoin investment is meant for people with the spirit of perseverance and patience that's why hodling was introduced, why bitcoin has not collapse is because of the holding system, the premature sellers were bridged with this process, the future and continues existence of bitcoin depends on the hodlers that's why hodling will never go into extinction, people with long term holding mindset always smile whenever the time is ripped.

You see, no investment is 100% guaranteed be it a trader or a hodler as all are very risky and due to some unforseen circumstances that may actually affect ones investments make some people to only be interested in trading rather than investing and you can't actually blame them at all. If not that Bitcoin has a higher level of volatility do you think it would have gotten this far? Inasmuch as investment in concerned, every investor is actually interested in a coin that it's future is certain that's why a lot of the investors are involved in Bitcoin. Moreover, you need to understand that despite the popularity of Bitcoin, it's still very much young looking at when it was invented till now so it's gonna take few more years before it's authenticity can be visible for all to see though it takes patience for an investor to make profitable and long lasting investments.

Let the truth be told most people are just interested in short term profits because they're always afraid of the fluctuations in the price of Bitcoin in the market hence they always panic whenever they buy at a dip and instead of the price rising it still dips further but they fail to understand that every dip gives and opportunity to accumulate more and hold for long term profits.
If someone is afraid of the dip, how will you see profitability in bitcoin. If you have been in the crypto for long, you will understand that dip is one of the most interesting time in the market. Dip gives you the opportunity to gather more and position yourself. Yes I know everyone loves to see the green candles, than the red candles, the beauty of the market as an investor is when you see the dip as an opportunity instead of seeing the fear that others are seeing. Remember if you don't buy the dip you can't sell the top. Those who are scared of the dip are newbies. Without dip there won't be much profitability in bitcoin investment.
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January 30, 2024, 05:49:11 AM
and another thing is getting it before others because those who invest into bitcoin first are likely going to have benefits (kind of like Cantillon effect in bitcoin), which surely is not completely fair, but those who know about bitcoin and act upon accumulating earlier rather than later will likely be rewarded more than those who come to bitcoin later.

Sure, I've over heard some investors in their discussion on how they are anticipating for the dip before they buy. And it's very funny how they think their predictions will definitely come to play. The price of Bitcoin due to the concept of scarcity will experience a bulls more than the bears, so definitely the price will go up as time progresses and if they miss the opportunity of accumulating now, the dip they anticipate in buying might even be higher than this current price. Sometimes I classify those who wait for the dip before buying when they have no holding as gamblers.

Actually I don't really no were those investors get that concept that Bitcoin must get to a certain dip before they could buy, actually is a very wrong mentality because considering the potential of Bitcoin and how the price movement behave I see no reason why an investor will allow buying dip to stand as determining factor on his Bitcoin investment because if it happens that the price did not get to the exact point they wish to buy that means they will automatically end up not buying at all.

Perhaps it will be very wise for an investor to learn from the mistakes of other investors because there has been numerous of testimonies concerning how many investors lost the opportunities they had on investing on Bitcoin all in the name waiting for the right moment before they could invest and at the end they end up not getting the opportunity to buy Bitcoin and still so many other investors are still having that mentality of waiting for the dip before they could buy.

The fact is that Peoples tends to misunderstand Bitcoin and it movement because of personal gain, ok, are the calculating or predicting the base on the are the people controls the market or what, this is deceit on their own side, you don't wait for a market that's is not controlled by you to dip to your satisfaction before you can buy because such market will keep disappointing and at the end you may discontinue your plan of buying, why not take the advantage as it is to continue accumulating, procrastination and indication is a problem to most potential Bitcoin investors, the keep reading speculations and waiting for what the call the right which may never come, why not make toll the way now and keeping doing the needful, this is the reason why I don't like going to the internet to read Bitcoin dip news or speculation because it is very discouraging.
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January 30, 2024, 05:36:10 AM
Your first paragraph is especially a good framing Wind_FURY. 

In that regard, bitcoin provides us with a lot of various kinds of empowerment that is not merely about getting rich - even though getting rich seems to have had historically been an additional benefit that people have been receiving by building their BTC stash and mostly HODLing their BTC stash through many years.

Some people only come for the get-rich part of bitcoin and they are focused on the getting rich part and not even giving any shits about the empowering part, and surely some of these people will evolve in their thinking and understanding of bitcoin, but some of them will never get over the mere monetary focus, which I suppose in several senses if still valid, even though it is incomplete and somewhat superficial way of thinking about and understanding bitcoin... ..

even though as long as we keep building and holding our BTC, we can have very good chances of being able to end up doing both, too.. whether our original intentions had been exclusively on one or another, it still seems that both will continue to play out in the coming years.. and there are some who even say that it is inevitably based on math, even though many of us realize that it is not inevitable, yet bitcoin is a pretty amazingly designed system.. that is likely to persist and even to go up in value, which surely makes it more beneficial to any individuals to be sure to employ consistent, persistent, ongoing and perhaps even aggressive (without over doing it) accumulation strategies.


I'm guilty of that. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I started my journey through "trading" shitcoins thinking I would get rich, lost some of my savings, then I made the decision to put almost 100% of my savings until 2019 into Bitcoin. It was greed that attracted me here, but as I researched and learned more and more about "my investment", it stopped entirely being just an "investment", but it also became a back up/fall back in case the entire financial system fails/in case I need censorship-resistant transactions if we end in a world of CBDCs

We should stay for the ethos.
Well I guess we have similar story to tell. I started from investing in ICOs of shitcoins like PumaPay that collected over $8 million and gave investors shitcoins that died without value. Because of that I made the post that It is only Bitcoin and nothing else. So, be it trading or ICO and whatever, I have learnt my lesson the hard way and have taken the decision already and so far, I feel much better and relaxed.

I know some people argue that Bitcoin does not give huge profits like X10 or X100 over a shot period of time. This is true and I like it that way because it is only someone filled with greed that will expect to make profits of X10 to X100 with a very short time. Those who are fixed on following the part will always live to tell their gory stories amidst uncontrollable tears. There is a popular adage that says that "when rain beats you twice, you will know the real meaning of cold". So I will not allow myself to make the same mistake twice. No matter how lucrative they make trading or investing in ICOs seem, it is and will never be for me.

Building a Bitcoin portfolio may be slow with its challenges such as being disciplined to follow the plans, but what is certain is that you are sure that you are biulding on a solid foundation and not on quicksand.
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