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December 22, 2024, 02:37:57 PM
You can disagree it's your right to agree or disagree with something. My view is that if someone hasn't bought Bitcoin yet then why buying first Bitcoin at ATH. One can wait for price to come down. There is bright chance that if someone buy Bitcoin at 100k then his investment may struck for longer duration. It's rule of market that price always comes down after a massive increase in price. 100k is best value Bitcoin has achieved so far and defiantly it will go down from here. That's why my point of view is that those who are new to Bitcoin must wait for price to come down and there is nothing wrong in waiting for next DIP.

And what price do you believe a newbie can wait for?, The $60K, No way!!. Fine, you are talking from your own view, but let's be more realistic, with the way Bitcoin is currently, does it look like the price is going to drop so drastically anytime soon?, That's simply a NO. I think we have to understand that investment opportunities don't come twice. The process of waiting and choosing not to invest what you have at that moment might result to spending the investment funds, and maybe Bitcoin moving further above the price you where contemplating on. In my few months(maybe a year now), I have missed opportunities myself while believing that I can wait on Bitcoin's price to drop before buying, which is a crazy approach to Bitcoin investment IMO.

The truth is, everyone certainly loves to buy a dip if they are opportuned to, but the importance and the benefits of DCAing can not be overshadowed either. You just have to understand that if Bitcoin happens to be at $100K, and you made a purchase of $100 worth, and then touches $70K, and you also made another purchase of $100, you will certainly make profits at the end of the day because the price will definitely grow above $100K in the future, if only you have a good investment plan on ground. Bitcoin isn't just a one day/one week investment plan. It's a long term process.
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December 22, 2024, 10:25:59 AM
This are wrong advise I disagree with you, firstly it's wrong telling people who are already in Bitcoin accumulation journey to wait till Bitcoin settle if I may ask settle for what exactly, Bitcoin having a dip didn't start today it's part of Bitcoin growth people who are already accumulating Bitcoin should continue, infact this is an opportunity for them to accumulate more Bitcoin with less price since there's a dip and not for them to wait.

You are wrong for saying if someone haven't bought any bitcoin then entering bitcoin at current price will be a bit risky, I totally disagree with you because there's no best time for someone to start accumulating Bitcoin, if you see now as a bad time to start accumulating Bitcoin then you really don't understand Bitcoin and how it works and you have no idea about Bitcoin and it's history growth.

You can disagree it's your right to agree or disagree with something. My view is that if someone hasn't bought Bitcoin yet then why buying first Bitcoin at ATH. One can wait for price to come down. There is bright chance that if someone buy Bitcoin at 100k then his investment may struck for longer duration. It's rule of market that price always comes down after a massive increase in price. 100k is best value Bitcoin has achieved so far and defiantly it will go down from here. That's why my point of view is that those who are new to Bitcoin must wait for price to come down and there is nothing wrong in waiting for next DIP.
You are sounding as if $100k is the best value that bitcoin will ever get to. And you are totally wrong with your analysis. Buying bitcoin at $100k is even cheap compared to where bitcoin will be in the nearest future. Since your investment is for the long term, you can invest even at the price you consider as peak price. The only thing you can do is that, you shouldn't be aggressive when buying at that level, when the market is at it's peak. But telling an intending investor to wait is wrong. What if he is waiting and bitcoin continues pumping, what will be his fate? Even if he has invested and price correction happens, such an investor is far better than someone who is waiting for dip before investing. The investor has gained an experience from that price correction and as he continues holding, bitcoin will definitely go back up. If he has invested and price correction happens, he can tend to invest more aggressively in order to maximise the price correction. In nutshell it's a wrong ideology to tell prospective investors to prolonged the intentions to invest in bitcoin because bitcoin is at $100k ans and above. You have forgotten that from that $100k, bitcoin it can get to $150k and $200k.
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December 22, 2024, 09:38:22 AM
This are wrong advise I disagree with you, firstly it's wrong telling people who are already in Bitcoin accumulation journey to wait till Bitcoin settle if I may ask settle for what exactly, Bitcoin having a dip didn't start today it's part of Bitcoin growth people who are already accumulating Bitcoin should continue, infact this is an opportunity for them to accumulate more Bitcoin with less price since there's a dip and not for them to wait.

You are wrong for saying if someone haven't bought any bitcoin then entering bitcoin at current price will be a bit risky, I totally disagree with you because there's no best time for someone to start accumulating Bitcoin, if you see now as a bad time to start accumulating Bitcoin then you really don't understand Bitcoin and how it works and you have no idea about Bitcoin and it's history growth.

You can disagree it's your right to agree or disagree with something. My view is that if someone hasn't bought Bitcoin yet then why buying first Bitcoin at ATH. One can wait for price to come down. There is bright chance that if someone buy Bitcoin at 100k then his investment may struck for longer duration. It's rule of market that price always comes down after a massive increase in price. 100k is best value Bitcoin has achieved so far and defiantly it will go down from here. That's why my point of view is that those who are new to Bitcoin must wait for price to come down and there is nothing wrong in waiting for next DIP.
You are right and it is their right to want to buy Bitcoin when the price drops or do the DCA method without having to care about the price of Bitcoin and what they do is continue to make purchases periodically or maybe they can take advantage of the decline to add to the purchases made periodically. And that is your money and also your right, but there is nothing wrong if other people give the best advice for your interests and also your good in the future because whatever the strategy if you do it for the long term Bitcoin will always provide good profits. And it all depends on your financial condition, if you are rich I think it's okay if you buy Bitcoin when the price drops and buy in large quantities and hold it for the long term. And if they have limited finances doing the DCA method is an ideal choice because you can buy Bitcoin according to your ability which you can do every week or month which will be big in the long term if you do it consistently and this method is the best choice that is most likely also done by big investors, and also adding profits when the price of Bitcoin drops is a good choice. And for me Bitcoin is the best investment for those who have limited income by doing DCA which will make them big people in the future, so it is a shame if we do not take advantage of this best opportunity.
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December 22, 2024, 09:32:57 AM
This are wrong advise I disagree with you, firstly it's wrong telling people who are already in Bitcoin accumulation journey to wait till Bitcoin settle if I may ask settle for what exactly, Bitcoin having a dip didn't start today it's part of Bitcoin growth people who are already accumulating Bitcoin should continue, infact this is an opportunity for them to accumulate more Bitcoin with less price since there's a dip and not for them to wait.

You are wrong for saying if someone haven't bought any bitcoin then entering bitcoin at current price will be a bit risky, I totally disagree with you because there's no best time for someone to start accumulating Bitcoin, if you see now as a bad time to start accumulating Bitcoin then you really don't understand Bitcoin and how it works and you have no idea about Bitcoin and it's history growth.
You can disagree it's your right to agree or disagree with something. My view is that if someone hasn't bought Bitcoin yet then why buying first Bitcoin at ATH. One can wait for price to come down. There is bright chance that if someone buy Bitcoin at 100k then his investment may struck for longer duration. It's rule of market that price always comes down after a massive increase in price. 100k is best value Bitcoin has achieved so far and defiantly it will go down from here. That's why my point of view is that those who are new to Bitcoin must wait for price to come down and there is nothing wrong in waiting for next DIP.

You are wrong MuffinMaster.

Waiting is not an investment strategy because it ONLY prepares for down, and does not prepare for up.

How can you prepare for up if you don't have any coins?

By definition a newbies does not have any coins, so if he is waiting, he is ONLY preparing for down, which may or may not happen.  That is not investing.  That is gambling.

Even a low coiner should probably not be waiting, since by definition a low coiner would be someone who has assessed himself to not have enough BTC, so again, if he has assessed himself to not have enough coin, then he is in a similar position as the no coiner in terms of getting additional coins, and should be buying in order to prepare for up rather than waiting for down that might not happen.  Of course, a person with coins has more options depending on the number of coins that he has, so a person with more coins may well be in a more logically consistent position to employ some waiting as compared with a person who may have had assessed that his coin stash is way too small, and that person may with an assessment of a way too small coin stash is likely going to be better off to just keep stacking and not paying attention to the BTC price, perhaps for a cycle or two.

Another problem with waiting as an investment strategy is that it puts an investor into a wrong state of mind.  In essence, an investor into bitcoin should be buying on a very regular basis, perhaps weekly, so that he is consistently stacking BTC for perhaps a whole cycle or a whole cycle and a half, and then he can reassess at that point, in regards to his 4-10 year or longer investment.

Of course, if an investor is able to front load his investment, then at that point he might supplement his investment by buying on dips.  

It can take a long time to build wealth and to give investors more options, so if someone had been investing on a weekly basis for more than 4 years, the earlier purchases are going to be older than the later purchases, so that is another risk of spreading out investments, yet most people do not have lump sum investments available, and the most practical thing tends to be to build a bitcoin investment over time, even if a person is going to front load his investment, he still might take several months, or even a year to establish his stake in a front-loading kind of way.

I am not opposed to the idea of making weekly buys, and trying to time those weekly buys for dips during the week, even though in the end it might not make a really BIG difference, and surely there may well need to be a commitment to buy a certain amount of BTC (spend a certain amount of fiat to buy BTC), even when there can be attempts to buy the dips within the week too.
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December 22, 2024, 09:09:36 AM
This are wrong advise I disagree with you, firstly it's wrong telling people who are already in Bitcoin accumulation journey to wait till Bitcoin settle if I may ask settle for what exactly, Bitcoin having a dip didn't start today it's part of Bitcoin growth people who are already accumulating Bitcoin should continue, infact this is an opportunity for them to accumulate more Bitcoin with less price since there's a dip and not for them to wait.

You are wrong for saying if someone haven't bought any bitcoin then entering bitcoin at current price will be a bit risky, I totally disagree with you because there's no best time for someone to start accumulating Bitcoin, if you see now as a bad time to start accumulating Bitcoin then you really don't understand Bitcoin and how it works and you have no idea about Bitcoin and it's history growth.

You can disagree it's your right to agree or disagree with something. My view is that if someone hasn't bought Bitcoin yet then why buying first Bitcoin at ATH. One can wait for price to come down. There is bright chance that if someone buy Bitcoin at 100k then his investment may struck for longer duration. It's rule of market that price always comes down after a massive increase in price. 100k is best value Bitcoin has achieved so far and defiantly it will go down from here. That's why my point of view is that those who are new to Bitcoin must wait for price to come down and there is nothing wrong in waiting for next DIP.

Your information will definitely confuse new investors, so it is best for us to talk about how to invest in the long term and collect Bitcoin DCA method. If new investors invest based on this information, there is a possibility of selling the investment, so you can never confuse new investors with such information.
Here we are discussing buying deep and buying Bitcoin in the regular DCA method and how to hold Bitcoin for a long time. Your such low discussion is crushing our movement.
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December 22, 2024, 06:32:45 AM
This are wrong advise I disagree with you, firstly it's wrong telling people who are already in Bitcoin accumulation journey to wait till Bitcoin settle if I may ask settle for what exactly, Bitcoin having a dip didn't start today it's part of Bitcoin growth people who are already accumulating Bitcoin should continue, infact this is an opportunity for them to accumulate more Bitcoin with less price since there's a dip and not for them to wait.

You are wrong for saying if someone haven't bought any bitcoin then entering bitcoin at current price will be a bit risky, I totally disagree with you because there's no best time for someone to start accumulating Bitcoin, if you see now as a bad time to start accumulating Bitcoin then you really don't understand Bitcoin and how it works and you have no idea about Bitcoin and it's history growth.

You can disagree it's your right to agree or disagree with something. My view is that if someone hasn't bought Bitcoin yet then why buying first Bitcoin at ATH. One can wait for price to come down. There is bright chance that if someone buy Bitcoin at 100k then his investment may struck for longer duration. It's rule of market that price always comes down after a massive increase in price. 100k is best value Bitcoin has achieved so far and defiantly it will go down from here. That's why my point of view is that those who are new to Bitcoin must wait for price to come down and there is nothing wrong in waiting for next DIP.
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December 22, 2024, 05:17:07 AM
Buy the Dip to me is only an anthem for Newbies who are still buried in fear and indecisions.
Buy the dip is not only an Anthem for the newbies but for all investors who need to accumulate more or mitigate the opportunity of any slighted dip.  Even the aspect of fear and indecision is also applicable to both old and newbies bitcoiners or investors.  The Anthem is a reminder to all, both the faithful bitcoin Hodlers and the FOMOer and other categories of people like traders who may still have doubt about bitcoin.  Because surely as we speak about bitcoin important and it's future,  many people still have doubt and sell at a sligthest dip instead of buying more. So I will say the word buy the dip has no specific direction but a reminder to all to buy and Hodl since we are still at bitcoin early stage.  Of course most people will still be swimming in the pool of there decision of selling at any sligh dip but it's up-to them. But the fact remains that those who are dedicated and focused, has a price at the end of the tunnel, since the road to success is not for everybody.


By definition if a dip simply refers to a decrease or fall in price of an asset how does buy the dip even become an anthem for newbies who are still buried in fear and indecisive?
I think I am not in position to answer that question, you should rather ask @Tonimez because he was the one that suggested the anthem for newbies which I replied with his slang. But that is not my problem and of course I don't see anything wrong in using the word 'anthem for buying the dip' because surely whatever is being repeated often can be categorized as anthem and of which we talk about buy the dip everyday here in this thread so there is no big deal. I don't even have problem with that,  but where i find it problematic is when he said "Buy the Dip to me is only an anthem for Newbies who are still buried in fear and indecisions."


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December 22, 2024, 05:01:05 AM
With the holidays being here I don’t think people have a lot of dry powder to throw at the market right now. A shame because I don’t think we’ve seen the high yet for this cycle. It does seem like a possibility that this could be the last chance you will get to buy Bitcoin below $100,000 for possibly several years.
But $100K has been a worth high value to boost about especially for those who has earlier invested and has been holding up to this price of $100K 😁.

I duly agree with you that buying at $100K might be a welcomed opportunity for accumulators and beginners because with the anticipation of Bitcoin future market, there will be those to regret why they never bought at $100K but was hoping for a dip because they could buy.

So with the fear and excitement of what is coming ahead, the FOMO therein should not be about selling off but to hold so that we don't missed out the future trends.
Otherwise, $100K could be that Dip to buy and as the plebs got no choice than to buy and hodl
Buying Bitcoin at the current price may seem to many like, "This is too expensive, it would be better if it was a little lower", but the current price is never much higher compared to the possible future price.
Yes, you are absolutely right that starting to buy right now can be a welcome opportunity for beginners, because Bitcoin is currently priced at $97K, which is a good price compared to its potential future value, the current price is an ideal price to start investing.
So those who believe in the future outlook of Bitcoin, they should start investing without delay, because its opportunity can go away at any time. So, instead of depending on time and waiting for DIP, keep investing continuously, and keep increasing Bitcoin stash. The future of Bitcoin is very bright.

Too expensive! They should till Bitcoin gets to $500k then, we're still at the very early stages of Bitcoin therefore anyone considering the price currently is not a very serious person and would miss out on the good opportunity this early stages of Bitcoin has to offer,  I used to worry much about people like these and advise them when we cross path but lately I care less about their decisions cause sometimes it always lead to a big argument and I got better stuffs to do than involving in unnecessary arguments, moreover everyone has their choices to make but those that knows the right thing or are willing to learn to do things the right way rather would take corrections immediately they figure out they're wrong, just that some people claim to know it all when it comes to Bitcoin investment and they end up regretting. Yeah, Bitcoin still has a brighter future and since we're still in the early stages, the best approach is to buy at any entry regardless of the price, then implement the DCA method for better accumulation overtime, this waiting game strategy has caused lots of regrets due to opportunities missed well more people would learn with time anyways.
What is even the Dip price on Bitcoin if I may ask? To me, the market is always Dip because as we could buy at any value whether high or low, the promising outcome of holding for a long time is that whatever price you bought would be seem a Dip when the market began possessing its increase as part of its valuable potentials.

So therefore, setting up a long run goal to hodl is the best practice if we must beat that fearful high price to be bought otherwise, waiting for consolidating marketing price that would suit your emotions may end up a dream never come through because that dipper expectations before you can buy may not come and then you will be left out behind.
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December 22, 2024, 04:31:30 AM
Buy the Dip to me is only an anthem for Newbies who are still buried in fear and indecisions.
Buy the dip is not only an Anthem for the newbies but for all investors who need to accumulate more or mitigate the opportunity of any slighted dip.  Even the aspect of fear and indecision is also applicable to both old and newbies bitcoiners or investors.  The Anthem is a reminder to all, both the faithful bitcoin Hodlers and the FOMOer and other categories of people like traders who may still have doubt about bitcoin.  Because surely as we speak about bitcoin important and it's future,  many people still have doubt and sell at a sligthest dip instead of buying more. So I will say the word buy the dip has no specific direction but a reminder to all to buy and Hodl since we are still at bitcoin early stage.  Of course most people will still be swimming in the pool of there decision of selling at any sligh dip but it's up-to them. But the fact remains that those who are dedicated and focused, has a price at the end of the tunnel, since the road to success is not for everybody.


By definition if a dip simply refers to a decrease or fall in price of an asset how does buy the dip even become an anthem for newbies who are still buried in fear and indecisive? Any one who is still skeptical about an asset will not attempt to buying it on seeing the price in dip, anyone who is still very indecisive with fear about Bitcoin will never invest and even if they do there investment decisions will be made based on emotions of negativity which is very wrong, buy the dip is not an anthem for newbies who are still buried in fear and indecisive neither is it an anthem for any investors but rather it creates an an avenue of buying Bitcoin in lesser price when compared to buying from previous high which is simply an added advantage, buy all the time should be an anthem for all investor. Perhaps a newbie investor shouldn't even be making investment decisions based on the market conditions.

I think investment on Bitcoin should be based on trust and believe on the potential of the coin, Bitcoin over time has shown great potential and that's what newbies willing to investment on it should capitalise on, as a newbie you don't go into such investment with emotions or double minded about the future outcome cause at some point with such mindset the newbie could get frightened by a dip and take profits when their investment is not due, Bitcoin having a long-term investment plan is meant for those who understands and believes in the potential of the coin giving them profits in future for Instance, Saylor keeps buying regardless of being uncertain about the future because he's seen the outcome of the coins growth in different circles and believes that it would do better in future and that's why he's more into buying the asset than selling, it's that believe that would help him maintain discipline and achieve his long-term goal, such person wouldn't entertain emotions and take profits anytime soon, that's what newbies, not only newbies but every investor should emulate. However It has been stated countless times that people who only wait for the dip before they buy would end up missing out on lots of accumulation opportunities and that's just it, Newbies shouldn't be waiting for a dip before buying Bitcoin.
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December 22, 2024, 03:14:46 AM
Buy the Dip to me is only an anthem for Newbies who are still buried in fear and indecisions.
Buy the dip is not only an Anthem for the newbies but for all investors who need to accumulate more or mitigate the opportunity of any slighted dip.  Even the aspect of fear and indecision is also applicable to both old and newbies bitcoiners or investors.  The Anthem is a reminder to all, both the faithful bitcoin Hodlers and the FOMOer and other categories of people like traders who may still have doubt about bitcoin.  Because surely as we speak about bitcoin important and it's future,  many people still have doubt and sell at a sligthest dip instead of buying more. So I will say the word buy the dip has no specific direction but a reminder to all to buy and Hodl since we are still at bitcoin early stage.  Of course most people will still be swimming in the pool of there decision of selling at any sligh dip but it's up-to them. But the fact remains that those who are dedicated and focused, has a price at the end of the tunnel, since the road to success is not for everybody.


By definition if a dip simply refers to a decrease or fall in price of an asset how does buy the dip even become an anthem for newbies who are still buried in fear and indecisive? Any one who is still skeptical about an asset will not attempt to buying it on seeing the price in dip, anyone who is still very indecisive with fear about Bitcoin will never invest and even if they do there investment decisions will be made based on emotions of negativity which is very wrong, buy the dip is not an anthem for newbies who are still buried in fear and indecisive neither is it an anthem for any investors but rather it creates an an avenue of buying Bitcoin in lesser price when compared to buying from previous high which is simply an added advantage, buy all the time should be an anthem for all investor. Perhaps a newbie investor shouldn't even be making investment decisions based on the market conditions.
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December 22, 2024, 02:34:01 AM
I think you don't comprehend the point at SuperBitMan is trying to make, he is not totally saying that it's not good to wait for a DIP, but he is talking about starters or rather beginners who wants to start investing in bitcoin. Just like the price of bitcoin is now, there are some folks who might want to start investing in bitcoin but may consider the price of bitcoin as high and will want to wait for the price to DIP before they can start accumulating so those are the people that SuperBitMan is talking about and not those who already owns a large amount of bitcoins in the custody and may have been satisfied with the amount they are hodling and ONLY looking for an opportunity to still acquire more when the price DIPs.
         In all, whether a beginner or someone who already owns investments in bitcoin, so far as they still find the need to buy more bitcoins, waiting for a DIP may not be necessary and besides with the use of the DCA strategy, they can still meet an opportunity to buy at a DIP price within the intervals of their accumulation stage.


Bitcoin is for the long term investment not for short term. There are people who get excited whenever something goes up whether its stock market or any other trading market. They invest with the mindset that since the market is going up, we can invest our money and take profit in short term. Today Bitcoin is at it's peak and same people think that it's right time to invest in Bitcoin since it's going up and will profit in short duration.

I  largely agree with most of what you said here like Bitcoin investment is for long term and I also agree to the fact that most people only invest when the  price is going up believing that they can sell for minimal gains along the line, but what I totally disagree with here is the words I made bold in your statement, which  you said that Bitcoin is at it peak.
Bro sincerely speaking, Bitcoin is nowhere near it peak price, because we are still in it early days, I believe that with the kind of potential Bitcoin has, it can go as high as a million dollar in the future, so 100k that it is now is nowhere near the potential price of Bitcoin in like 10 to 20 years time from now.
So in my own opinion, now is still the best time to buy Bitcoin regardless of it current price because it can still do like 10x to 20x of it current price in the nearest future.
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December 22, 2024, 12:55:16 AM
I think you don't comprehend the point at SuperBitMan is trying to make, he is not totally saying that it's not good to wait for a DIP, but he is talking about starters or rather beginners who wants to start investing in bitcoin. Just like the price of bitcoin is now, there are some folks who might want to start investing in bitcoin but may consider the price of bitcoin as high and will want to wait for the price to DIP before they can start accumulating so those are the people that SuperBitMan is talking about and not those who already owns a large amount of bitcoins in the custody and may have been satisfied with the amount they are hodling and ONLY looking for an opportunity to still acquire more when the price DIPs.
         In all, whether a beginner or someone who already owns investments in bitcoin, so far as they still find the need to buy more bitcoins, waiting for a DIP may not be necessary and besides with the use of the DCA strategy, they can still meet an opportunity to buy at a DIP price within the intervals of their accumulation stage.


Bitcoin is for the long term investment not for short term. There are people who get excited whenever something goes up whether its stock market or any other trading market. They invest with the mindset that since the market is going up, we can invest our money and take profit in short term. Today Bitcoin is at it's peak and same people think that it's right time to invest in Bitcoin since it's going up and will profit in short duration.
Bitcoin is at 100k right now and those who want to invest in Bitcoin can follow DCA strategy to start there journey. Lump Sum is also effective in long term (Please check  https://dcacryptocalculator.com/ to compare results of DCA with Lump Sum).
Bitcoin is not about buying the DIP and sell when it's high. You must have a strategy that guides you how to accumulate Bitcoins in the long run. Bitcoin price may goes up or down but in the long run it's the most profitable investment.
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December 22, 2024, 12:52:47 AM
Buy the Dip to me is only an anthem for Newbies who are still buried in fear and indecisions.
Buy the dip is not only an Anthem for the newbies but for all investors who need to accumulate more or mitigate the opportunity of any slighted dip.  Even the aspect of fear and indecision is also applicable to both old and newbies bitcoiners or investors.  The Anthem is a reminder to all, both the faithful bitcoin Hodlers and the FOMOer and other categories of people like traders who may still have doubt about bitcoin.  Because surely as we speak about bitcoin important and it's future,  many people still have doubt and sell at a sligthest dip instead of buying more. So I will say the word buy the dip has no specific direction but a reminder to all to buy and Hodl since we are still at bitcoin early stage.  Of course most people will still be swimming in the pool of there decision of selling at any sligh dip but it's up-to them. But the fact remains that those who are dedicated and focused, has a price at the end of the tunnel, since the road to success is not for everybody.

This is why an investor should first kill fear and indecisions before he can make a fortune in bitcoin.
Surely killing fear and indecision is an important factor to succeed but doesn't end there,  you should also be determined and focused to constantly invest in bitcoin from your discretion with what you can afford to lose for a longer period of time from at least 5-10 years and or 20years above before you can think of to succeed because one thing is making a decision and standing by it practically because most folks has said it often but yet not being able to stand by it.

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December 21, 2024, 11:48:32 PM

Buying Bitcoin at the current price may seem to many like, "This is too expensive, it would be better if it was a little lower", but the current price is never much higher compared to the possible future price.
Yes, you are absolutely right that starting to buy right now can be a welcome opportunity for beginners, because Bitcoin is currently priced at $97K, which is a good price compared to its potential future value, the current price is an ideal price to start investing.
So those who believe in the future outlook of Bitcoin, they should start investing without delay, because its opportunity can go away at any time. So, instead of depending on time and waiting for DIP, keep investing continuously, and keep increasing Bitcoin stash. The future of Bitcoin is very bright.

Those who will invest in Bitcoin certainly know that the future of Bitcoin is bright, but we have to start, so we have to move forward with this effort, how a new investor will invest at the beginning. In the case of Bitcoin investment, newbies will panic when they see the price change, but there is no reason to panic, if you invest in Bitcoin using the DCA method, the investment will definitely be long-term and only if it is long-term will there be an opportunity to hold Bitcoin in the future.

So we will invest some of the money we earn in Bitcoin, and the risk is much lower in this, newbies can invest in Bitcoin at any time. However, generally buying dips is another strategy for investing in Bitcoin, where we must meet the money demand for each dip purchase, so we must create a path for our investment.

Buying the Dip is good. But the question is for how long will you wait for the Dip that will be pleasing to you?? Bitcoin is not controlled by your individual wish or desire to buy at 20k.
Bitcoin is a moving train and every day is open to investors. Bitcoin is currently at 98k which is a perfect time to buy and Hodl. Another problem people have is fear. Many do assume the price will fall after they have invested, but the aim shouldn't be short termed. HODL for long in other to reap from the long term benefits of bitcoin. Newbies are prone to fear and this is not out of place.

Waiting for a dip to happen before one can start accumulating Bitcoin is a waste of time, people who are always interested in waiting for dip before they can accumulate are usually traders, someone who wants to hold Bitcoin for 10 years and above won't see any reason waiting for dip because they know the price of Bitcoin now won't be the same in the next 10 years to come.
Dip should be something we benefit along the line of our accumulation journey you don't wait for it, just keep moving and you will meet it along the road.
We all know a dip will surely happen in Bitcoin investment but you won't wait for it start your accumulation journey and when ever it comes you make good use of it, all you need to do is prepare for it while accumulating not waiting for it to happen before accumulating.



I don't agree with you on this because i have learnt that there are those who might have gotten to somewhere close to their fuck you or maintenance status that may decide to only be buying whenever there is a dip and that doesn't make them a trader,  I agree with you on your other words, even though buying at dip offers buying more Bitcoin at a lesser price when compared to buying when the price was high, any one that still have a long way to go in their Bitcoin accumulation journey shouldn't wait for it as not to miss good buying opportunities.

I think you don't comprehend the point at SuperBitMan is trying to make, he is not totally saying that it's not good to wait for a DIP, but he is talking about starters or rather beginners who wants to start investing in bitcoin. Just like the price of bitcoin is now, there are some folks who might want to start investing in bitcoin but may consider the price of bitcoin as high and will want to wait for the price to DIP before they can start accumulating so those are the people that SuperBitMan is talking about and not those who already owns a large amount of bitcoins in the custody and may have been satisfied with the amount they are hodling and ONLY looking for an opportunity to still acquire more when the price DIPs.
         In all, whether a beginner or someone who already owns investments in bitcoin, so far as they still find the need to buy more bitcoins, waiting for a DIP may not be necessary and besides with the use of the DCA strategy, they can still meet an opportunity to buy at a DIP price within the intervals of their accumulation stage.
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Yes, I understand of course there is a basis for thinking that continues to be thought of when the market situation changes suddenly. But is there anything else that should be done at a time like that, for example like you where your accumulation has reached a point of satisfaction and is there a stronger thought that supports the idea of ​​continuing to buy when dips come.

With your long experience and good management, of course you have succeeded in reaping quite a large profit in the bitcoin investment that you have made.

However, I am not very good at calculating percentages but with your initial accumulation in 2013 of course you have achieved a lot of percentages if calculated at the current price.

How is your mindset where you can manage as well as possible when you decide to sell when you need it.
To be honest, we are still in a fairly early accumulation because we have not reached 5 years of routine investment, I plan to follow your steps in the future, when satisfaction is achieved we will do the calculation to achieve the percentage of profit in the time we spend investing in bitcoin. For example, in the 6th year we will calculate the amount of profit, but in such conditions, hopefully our steps will continue to accumulate until reaching the 10-year mark.

Surely you could have a running tally of how much you are spending to buy bitcoin and then you can also see how many bitcoin you have, so that would give you your average cost per BTC, and perhaps on a running basis you can see how much you had at various points, even summarizing each month in regards to where you are at. 

If you are fairly sure that you don't quite have enough BTC, then, hopefully you bitcoin stash continues to grow every month.

Of course you can also monitor your current standard of living, and you can monitor whether at some point the bitcoin that you accumulated might start to be valued several years worth of your income/expenses, and yeah, it takes longer to achieve if you do not have very much discretionary income and/or if you are unable to put in very much value each week or month.

So if you are ONLY able to put it 10% of your income per year, it is going to take you 10 years to reach 1 year of your income invested into bitcoin, and surely, the value of those holdings could also be increased if the BTC price goes up at some later date after you had been able to accumulate more BTC at earlier dates (if that is possible?).

One of my own personal advantages was that by the time I had gotten into bitcoin, I had already been investing into non-bitcoin /  traditional assets for more than 20 years, so I had already invested more than  a few years of my then income into various investments (including whatever price appreciation that had happened in the investments too.  So in that case I was able to be more aggressive than a newbie, but i still felt that I was constrained in moving some of the value from my traditional investments into bitcoin, and so in that sense it took me about a year to get my bitcoin allocation to be 10% of my various other quasi-liquid investments that I had at that time... so then when I spent another year continuing to invest into bitcoin and I got to 13.5%-ish, I was feeling over-invested into bitcoin (based on my then ideas, even though these days, if I were a newbie to bitcoin, I would not consider myself to be over-invested into bitcoin until I were to reach more than 25% invested into bitcoin, so these days I have considered that bitcoin has become a more safe investment and also there may be justifications to have higher allocations than previously justified at the time that I got into bitcoin).

It is not easy to try to imagine ourselves at a different time, even though many of the cash management rules still apply, and usually there would be more stress in the beginning years, yet as the value of your BTC holdings go up (in the event that it goes up, since it is not guaranteed) and as each of us should be learning how to better manage our cashflows in accordance with our personal circumstances, then surely we should be getting more and more to places of more comfort in terms of having more options and having more funds, even if we still might find ourselves continuing to need to accumulate bitcoin in order to keep building our BTC stash, whether we are able to get it built up to the value of several years of our income or not.
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December 21, 2024, 09:27:48 PM

Buying Bitcoin at the current price may seem to many like, "This is too expensive, it would be better if it was a little lower", but the current price is never much higher compared to the possible future price.
Yes, you are absolutely right that starting to buy right now can be a welcome opportunity for beginners, because Bitcoin is currently priced at $97K, which is a good price compared to its potential future value, the current price is an ideal price to start investing.
So those who believe in the future outlook of Bitcoin, they should start investing without delay, because its opportunity can go away at any time. So, instead of depending on time and waiting for DIP, keep investing continuously, and keep increasing Bitcoin stash. The future of Bitcoin is very bright.

Those who will invest in Bitcoin certainly know that the future of Bitcoin is bright, but we have to start, so we have to move forward with this effort, how a new investor will invest at the beginning. In the case of Bitcoin investment, newbies will panic when they see the price change, but there is no reason to panic, if you invest in Bitcoin using the DCA method, the investment will definitely be long-term and only if it is long-term will there be an opportunity to hold Bitcoin in the future.

So we will invest some of the money we earn in Bitcoin, and the risk is much lower in this, newbies can invest in Bitcoin at any time. However, generally buying dips is another strategy for investing in Bitcoin, where we must meet the money demand for each dip purchase, so we must create a path for our investment.

Buying the Dip is good. But the question is for how long will you wait for the Dip that will be pleasing to you?? Bitcoin is not controlled by your individual wish or desire to buy at 20k.
Bitcoin is a moving train and every day is open to investors. Bitcoin is currently at 98k which is a perfect time to buy and Hodl. Another problem people have is fear. Many do assume the price will fall after they have invested, but the aim shouldn't be short termed. HODL for long in other to reap from the long term benefits of bitcoin. Newbies are prone to fear and this is not out of place.

Waiting for a dip to happen before one can start accumulating Bitcoin is a waste of time, people who are always interested in waiting for dip before they can accumulate are usually traders, someone who wants to hold Bitcoin for 10 years and above won't see any reason waiting for dip because they know the price of Bitcoin now won't be the same in the next 10 years to come.
Dip should be something we benefit along the line of our accumulation journey you don't wait for it, just keep moving and you will meet it along the road.
We all know a dip will surely happen in Bitcoin investment but you won't wait for it start your accumulation journey and when ever it comes you make good use of it, all you need to do is prepare for it while accumulating not waiting for it to happen before accumulating.



Anyone who is waiting for the Dip without having a considerable amount of Bitcoin in his or her portfolio is not a serious investor I mean it's more like someone who doesn't have enough water in his or her reservoir and refuse to fetch water from the tap when it is rushing with the hope that it will rain which is under probability that it may rain or it may not rain and just imagine it doesn't rain what will it become of the person off course regret and murmuring and to me this is lack of knowledge and understanding because a wise person or someone who understands where he or she is going will never do such, I believe everyone knows what is good to do and what is wrong to do but even as this..., some people still need information because information Is power.
Buy the Dip to me is only an anthem for Newbies who are still buried in fear and indecisions. The keep waiting foe bitcoin to fall so that they can invest. They get happier and see more reasons to keep waiting for deep at every slight fluctuations by bitcoin.
This is why an investor should first kill fear and indecisions before he can make a fortune in bitcoin. Newbies find it difficult to HODL. They sell at every slight increase in price but forget that bitcoin is a generational wealth that needs time to grow.
It is not because of fear and indecision that makes newbies to start their bitcoin investment with buying the dip strategy; they just fail to understand that starting their bitcoin investment with buying the dip strategy is not the best strategy they should adopt at their early stage of bitcoin investment, and this may be because they are new to bitcoin and they can't figure out the right strategy that will help them to consistently accumulate bitcoin without waiting for any entry point. Since we have been around bitcoin for a long time and have more knowledge in bitcoin than newbies and know the best strategy that suits newbies, it is our duty to tell any newbie that starts his or her bitcoin investment with a wrong strategy to adopt the DCA strategy in accumulating bitcoin, which will allow him or her to consistently accumulate bitcoin anytime his or her money is readily available since he or she is a low coiner.
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December 21, 2024, 05:46:59 PM
Of course, any of us can feel some stress both when the BTC price goes up a lot and also when it crashes back down. I attempted to put a system in place in order that I would sell small amounts on the way up and then buy back in increments as the BTC prices falls back down, yet I did not start that plan until I felt that I had reached a state of overaccumulation.

The amounts that are sold on the way up are relatively small... tending to get smaller and smaller with the passage of time, yet back in 2017, I was selling a bit less than 10% every time the BTC price doubled (yet in smaller increments on the way up), and so the value of the BTC holdings become much higher when the BTC price is going up rather than going down, but the sold amounts on the way up provide some comfort when the BTC price goes down, and in 2018 that was about 85% at the maximum down point.  So there can be some stress and regrets, yet we still have to figure out what is a good system overall.. and there were a lot of guys who were stressing in 2018, yet still some of them still were not at a point that they had accumulated enough BTC so they needed to keep accumulating.... even if they had gotten in around the same time as me or maybe some of them were newer than me into bitcoin, so it can be stressful to go through those kinds of periods.

We had a similar period in 2022, even though the amount of UP was not the same as 2017, the amount of down got to very similar levels of despair, especially since the 2022 correction ended up going way below the 200-WMA, which had not happened in prior correction cycles.  Really 2022 we had nearly 16 months of the BTC spot price being around or below the 200-WMA, with the max low point of the BTC spot price getting to right around 36% below the 200-WMA.

I think that for me personally, I have gotten better at dealing with the volatility, but it still is not easy, but it helps to mostly be in profits by many multiples, so even if we might consider that I had times in which my average cost per BTC was around $500 (and perhaps even below) $500 per BTC, I would like to error correct that my cost per BTC may well be between $750 and $1k per BTC, and so I frequently like to round to $1k per BTC in order to help to consider the level of profits within easier to calculate boundaries... so maybe we say that my profits in 2017 and afterwards went from being in the negative to being 20x in profits, yet the correction back down put me in the 3.5x to 10x territory for many parts of 2017 and all the way until 2020...

So then the 2021 run brought my holdings up to 69x profits, but then dropped back down to 16x profits at the lowest point, and so even though there can be stress in either direction, the cushion between cost per BTC and abilities to cash out get greater, so if a person is managing their BTC holdings well, even if BTC continues to be volatile, there might not be big differences in terms of cashing out at 50x-ish or even cashing out at 108x, especially since the cash out amounts might ONLY be a fraction over the overall holdings.   

So a guy could decide to cash out a certain quantity of BTC that might have cost him $100 worth of BTC, and if he cashes out at 55x, then he will get $5,550 for that $100 investment, or maybe if he were cashing out today he would get $9,700 for that same $100 cost.  Sure it makes a difference, but it might not be a great difference in terms of the Bitcoin continuing to give value and options, and no real compelling need to cash out large portions, just cash out amounts that are reasonably needed and when there might not be other sources of cash to spend first.

There can be questions about "I need to spend more," and some of that problem comes from having gone through a lot of the periods of just letting bitcoin's compounding value play out and not cashing out too much too soon, so that later down the road more options might end up coming available.  Such options are not guaranteed, but they seem to be worth taking chances to put value into bitcoin since bitcoin's investment thesis does not seem to be getting any weaker, even if its upside potential might not be as great as it was 10 years ago.
Yes, I understand of course there is a basis for thinking that continues to be thought of when the market situation changes suddenly. But is there anything else that should be done at a time like that, for example like you where your accumulation has reached a point of satisfaction and is there a stronger thought that supports the idea of ​​continuing to buy when dips come.

With your long experience and good management, of course you have succeeded in reaping quite a large profit in the bitcoin investment that you have made.

However, I am not very good at calculating percentages but with your initial accumulation in 2013 of course you have achieved a lot of percentages if calculated at the current price.

How is your mindset where you can manage as well as possible when you decide to sell when you need it.
To be honest, we are still in a fairly early accumulation because we have not reached 5 years of routine investment, I plan to follow your steps in the future, when satisfaction is achieved we will do the calculation to achieve the percentage of profit in the time we spend investing in bitcoin. For example, in the 6th year we will calculate the amount of profit, but in such conditions, hopefully our steps will continue to accumulate until reaching the 10-year mark.
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December 21, 2024, 04:49:40 PM

Buying Bitcoin at the current price may seem to many like, "This is too expensive, it would be better if it was a little lower", but the current price is never much higher compared to the possible future price.
Yes, you are absolutely right that starting to buy right now can be a welcome opportunity for beginners, because Bitcoin is currently priced at $97K, which is a good price compared to its potential future value, the current price is an ideal price to start investing.
So those who believe in the future outlook of Bitcoin, they should start investing without delay, because its opportunity can go away at any time. So, instead of depending on time and waiting for DIP, keep investing continuously, and keep increasing Bitcoin stash. The future of Bitcoin is very bright.

Those who will invest in Bitcoin certainly know that the future of Bitcoin is bright, but we have to start, so we have to move forward with this effort, how a new investor will invest at the beginning. In the case of Bitcoin investment, newbies will panic when they see the price change, but there is no reason to panic, if you invest in Bitcoin using the DCA method, the investment will definitely be long-term and only if it is long-term will there be an opportunity to hold Bitcoin in the future.

So we will invest some of the money we earn in Bitcoin, and the risk is much lower in this, newbies can invest in Bitcoin at any time. However, generally buying dips is another strategy for investing in Bitcoin, where we must meet the money demand for each dip purchase, so we must create a path for our investment.

Buying the Dip is good. But the question is for how long will you wait for the Dip that will be pleasing to you?? Bitcoin is not controlled by your individual wish or desire to buy at 20k.
Bitcoin is a moving train and every day is open to investors. Bitcoin is currently at 98k which is a perfect time to buy and Hodl. Another problem people have is fear. Many do assume the price will fall after they have invested, but the aim shouldn't be short termed. HODL for long in other to reap from the long term benefits of bitcoin. Newbies are prone to fear and this is not out of place.

Waiting for a dip to happen before one can start accumulating Bitcoin is a waste of time, people who are always interested in waiting for dip before they can accumulate are usually traders, someone who wants to hold Bitcoin for 10 years and above won't see any reason waiting for dip because they know the price of Bitcoin now won't be the same in the next 10 years to come.
Dip should be something we benefit along the line of our accumulation journey you don't wait for it, just keep moving and you will meet it along the road.
We all know a dip will surely happen in Bitcoin investment but you won't wait for it start your accumulation journey and when ever it comes you make good use of it, all you need to do is prepare for it while accumulating not waiting for it to happen before accumulating.



I don't agree with you on this because i have learnt that there are those who might have gotten to somewhere close to their fuck you or maintenance status that may decide to only be buying whenever there is a dip and that doesn't make them a trader,  I agree with you on your other words, even though buying at dip offers buying more Bitcoin at a lesser price when compared to buying when the price was high, any one that still have a long way to go in their Bitcoin accumulation journey shouldn't wait for it as not to miss good buying opportunities.
You are actually right not all that buy during when bitcoin price is low are traders there are forks who might have been accumulating Bitcoin for a longer time probably 10 years back who might have gotten to their bitcoin accumulation journey might decide to be buying during when the market is dip in other to still stack more Bitcoin at a lower price but buying during only market dip shouldn't be done by new investors because the still have a longer way to go while they can accumulate with the DCA strategy weekly or monthly regardless of the price while the dip should be an opportunity to accumulate more Bitcoin.

Though currently now I don't see bitcoin price as what is high this is still the best time to accumulate Bitcoin so that there won't any form of regret when bitcoin price finally hit $500k and more.
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December 21, 2024, 04:20:35 PM

Buying Bitcoin at the current price may seem to many like, "This is too expensive, it would be better if it was a little lower", but the current price is never much higher compared to the possible future price.
Yes, you are absolutely right that starting to buy right now can be a welcome opportunity for beginners, because Bitcoin is currently priced at $97K, which is a good price compared to its potential future value, the current price is an ideal price to start investing.
So those who believe in the future outlook of Bitcoin, they should start investing without delay, because its opportunity can go away at any time. So, instead of depending on time and waiting for DIP, keep investing continuously, and keep increasing Bitcoin stash. The future of Bitcoin is very bright.

Those who will invest in Bitcoin certainly know that the future of Bitcoin is bright, but we have to start, so we have to move forward with this effort, how a new investor will invest at the beginning. In the case of Bitcoin investment, newbies will panic when they see the price change, but there is no reason to panic, if you invest in Bitcoin using the DCA method, the investment will definitely be long-term and only if it is long-term will there be an opportunity to hold Bitcoin in the future.

So we will invest some of the money we earn in Bitcoin, and the risk is much lower in this, newbies can invest in Bitcoin at any time. However, generally buying dips is another strategy for investing in Bitcoin, where we must meet the money demand for each dip purchase, so we must create a path for our investment.

Buying the Dip is good. But the question is for how long will you wait for the Dip that will be pleasing to you?? Bitcoin is not controlled by your individual wish or desire to buy at 20k.
Bitcoin is a moving train and every day is open to investors. Bitcoin is currently at 98k which is a perfect time to buy and Hodl. Another problem people have is fear. Many do assume the price will fall after they have invested, but the aim shouldn't be short termed. HODL for long in other to reap from the long term benefits of bitcoin. Newbies are prone to fear and this is not out of place.

Waiting for a dip to happen before one can start accumulating Bitcoin is a waste of time, people who are always interested in waiting for dip before they can accumulate are usually traders, someone who wants to hold Bitcoin for 10 years and above won't see any reason waiting for dip because they know the price of Bitcoin now won't be the same in the next 10 years to come.
Dip should be something we benefit along the line of our accumulation journey you don't wait for it, just keep moving and you will meet it along the road.
We all know a dip will surely happen in Bitcoin investment but you won't wait for it start your accumulation journey and when ever it comes you make good use of it, all you need to do is prepare for it while accumulating not waiting for it to happen before accumulating.



Anyone who is waiting for the Dip without having a considerable amount of Bitcoin in his or her portfolio is not a serious investor I mean it's more like someone who doesn't have enough water in his or her reservoir and refuse to fetch water from the tap when it is rushing with the hope that it will rain which is under probability that it may rain or it may not rain and just imagine it doesn't rain what will it become of the person off course regret and murmuring and to me this is lack of knowledge and understanding because a wise person or someone who understands where he or she is going will never do such, I believe everyone knows what is good to do and what is wrong to do but even as this..., some people still need information because information Is power.
Buy the Dip to me is only an anthem for Newbies who are still buried in fear and indecisions. The keep waiting foe bitcoin to fall so that they can invest. They get happier and see more reasons to keep waiting for deep at every slight fluctuations by bitcoin.
This is why an investor should first kill fear and indecisions before he can make a fortune in bitcoin. Newbies find it difficult to HODL. They sell at every slight increase in price but forget that bitcoin is a generational wealth that needs time to grow.
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December 21, 2024, 03:51:37 PM

Buying Bitcoin at the current price may seem to many like, "This is too expensive, it would be better if it was a little lower", but the current price is never much higher compared to the possible future price.
Yes, you are absolutely right that starting to buy right now can be a welcome opportunity for beginners, because Bitcoin is currently priced at $97K, which is a good price compared to its potential future value, the current price is an ideal price to start investing.
So those who believe in the future outlook of Bitcoin, they should start investing without delay, because its opportunity can go away at any time. So, instead of depending on time and waiting for DIP, keep investing continuously, and keep increasing Bitcoin stash. The future of Bitcoin is very bright.

Those who will invest in Bitcoin certainly know that the future of Bitcoin is bright, but we have to start, so we have to move forward with this effort, how a new investor will invest at the beginning. In the case of Bitcoin investment, newbies will panic when they see the price change, but there is no reason to panic, if you invest in Bitcoin using the DCA method, the investment will definitely be long-term and only if it is long-term will there be an opportunity to hold Bitcoin in the future.

So we will invest some of the money we earn in Bitcoin, and the risk is much lower in this, newbies can invest in Bitcoin at any time. However, generally buying dips is another strategy for investing in Bitcoin, where we must meet the money demand for each dip purchase, so we must create a path for our investment.

Buying the Dip is good. But the question is for how long will you wait for the Dip that will be pleasing to you?? Bitcoin is not controlled by your individual wish or desire to buy at 20k.
Bitcoin is a moving train and every day is open to investors. Bitcoin is currently at 98k which is a perfect time to buy and Hodl. Another problem people have is fear. Many do assume the price will fall after they have invested, but the aim shouldn't be short termed. HODL for long in other to reap from the long term benefits of bitcoin. Newbies are prone to fear and this is not out of place.

Waiting for a dip to happen before one can start accumulating Bitcoin is a waste of time, people who are always interested in waiting for dip before they can accumulate are usually traders, someone who wants to hold Bitcoin for 10 years and above won't see any reason waiting for dip because they know the price of Bitcoin now won't be the same in the next 10 years to come.
Dip should be something we benefit along the line of our accumulation journey you don't wait for it, just keep moving and you will meet it along the road.
We all know a dip will surely happen in Bitcoin investment but you won't wait for it start your accumulation journey and when ever it comes you make good use of it, all you need to do is prepare for it while accumulating not waiting for it to happen before accumulating.



Anyone who is waiting for the Dip without having a considerable amount of Bitcoin in his or her portfolio is not a serious investor I mean it's more like someone who doesn't have enough water in his or her reservoir and refuse to fetch water from the tap when it is rushing with the hope that it will rain which is under probability that it may rain or it may not rain and just imagine it doesn't rain what will it become of the person off course regret and murmuring and to me this is lack of knowledge and understanding because a wise person or someone who understands where he or she is going will never do such, I believe everyone knows what is good to do and what is wrong to do but even as this..., some people still need information because information Is power.
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