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legendary
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November 09, 2022, 07:20:05 PM
when the price went down a lot and they waited for it to go down more and when it started going up again they waited for it to go down again but the price just kept going up and never saw those numbers again.

There are times when a downturn takes a long time to recover, and I don't think it's a smart move to put your funds into highly speculative assets if you're short on cash and you can't take the risk. But in the case of bitcoin, buying a dip is, most of the time, a smart move given bitcoin's ability to bounce back no matter how steep the drop.

But again, one must still properly allocate funds for investments and other personal matters so as not to get caught in a difficult situation if the downturn continues and falls further.

In order to make a good profit from bitcoin, it is a must to move with the market rather than just focus on targeted growth.
It is too risky to buy dip and HODL the cryptocurrency now a days because its price will be increase and decrease very hardly. Many investors get from profit but on another hand many investors loss their money at this marketing condition.

I will agree with you that it is difficult to figure out where the bottom is when the BTC price is falling so rapidly, but that does not mean that it is "risky to buy the dip" and/or to "HODL" as you are proclaiming.

If you have little to no clue regarding what you are investing into, and you view assets merely in regards to their current (short term) dollar price, then maybe in those kinds of circumstances it may well be "risky" to buy BTC dips and/or HODL BTC.

Long term investors in bitcoin have done quite well with DCA, buy the dip and HODL strategies as their primary strategies, especially the longer that they have been in bitcoin, and there does not really seem to be any evidence that bitcoin is worse of a "long term" investment now as it had been historically, even though for sure there are some short-to-medium term set back in terms of the BTC price - which may well end up being opportunities, and of course, we might not really know until some time down the road regarding how BIG of an opportunity we have in front of us (to buy bitcoin) now.. since for sure there are no guarantees in bitcoin as an investment.. even though there are several of us who likely consider bitcoin's investment thesis to be way stronger now as compared to when it was priced way lower than it currently is priced.

So do your own research and figure out your own particulars in order to figure out how you are going to strategize and/or employ any of your bitcoin investment plans and/or if you believe that bitcoin should be part of your investment portfolio (and if so, how much and how should you go about accumulating it, if you believe that bitcoin should be part of your investment portfolio).

What are you doing right now, Uzairjutt275?  Do you have any bitcoin?  Did you sell recently?  If so, do you have a plan to buy back at some point?  If you do not have any bitcoin, do you have any plan to get any? and if so what would be the circumstances in which you plan to buy, and how?  Would you DCA? Buy on dips? Lump sum invest?  or you have some other lame-ass trading strategy in which you believe that you can figure out the BTC price in advance of it happening?
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November 09, 2022, 11:46:35 AM
when the price went down a lot and they waited for it to go down more and when it started going up again they waited for it to go down again but the price just kept going up and never saw those numbers again.

There are times when a downturn takes a long time to recover, and I don't think it's a smart move to put your funds into highly speculative assets if you're short on cash and you can't take the risk. But in the case of bitcoin, buying a dip is, most of the time, a smart move given bitcoin's ability to bounce back no matter how steep the drop.

But again, one must still properly allocate funds for investments and other personal matters so as not to get caught in a difficult situation if the downturn continues and falls further.

In order to make a good profit from bitcoin, it is a must to move with the market rather than just focus on targeted growth.

It is too risky to buy dip and HODL the cryptocurrency now a days because its price will be increase and decrease very hardly. Many investors get from profit but on another hand many investors loss their money at this marketing condition.
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November 08, 2022, 07:18:35 AM
when the price went down a lot and they waited for it to go down more and when it started going up again they waited for it to go down again but the price just kept going up and never saw those numbers again.

There are times when a downturn takes a long time to recover, and I don't think it's a smart move to put your funds into highly speculative assets if you're short on cash and you can't take the risk. But in the case of bitcoin, buying a dip is, most of the time, a smart move given bitcoin's ability to bounce back no matter how steep the drop.

But again, one must still properly allocate funds for investments and other personal matters so as not to get caught in a difficult situation if the downturn continues and falls further.

In order to make a good profit from bitcoin, it is a must to move with the market rather than just focus on targeted growth.
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November 05, 2022, 06:36:14 AM
Did anyone Buy the DIP, and HODL?

 Cool

I'm probably biased, but I truly believe that Bitcoin has, won the war, and has become the only true Store of Value in the world of cryptocurrencies. It's also probably why I'm more understanding, and less condemning towards altcoin holders/traders. They may outperform Bitcoin in some parts of the bull cycle, but when the surge is over, they come back to the most secure/safest cryptocurrency to HODL.
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October 30, 2022, 02:05:48 PM
What's funny to me though is that at least half of those who've posted in this thread agreeing with buy/hold, I found annoying, or disagreed with (in the reasoning to buy/hold). Least frank and proud actually have something meaningful to say in disagreeing Wink
If you refer to all the conversational posts in this thread of course the dominant answer is buy and hold. they don't care about the benefits but hold on while you're still alive. I feel pessimistic about this meaning. Some big investments do take time and have risks / benefits that are obtained in the period of investment made. the rest of the meaning of hold is when a loss comes then hold is an option and if a profit comes then a big opportunity is to sell and buy again.
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October 29, 2022, 03:12:29 PM
Are you trying to shut me up by saying nice things?  
No, because if I wanted you to truly shut up, I would just click the ignore button, like what I do to all of the disinforming trolls/gaslighting charlatans. But EXCEPT franky1, he's a national treasure in the forum/community. A special kind of Gaslighting-Troll. He deserves the extra attention. This forum is probably therapeutic for him, and helps his mental-state. Hahaha!

I don't ignore any member, even though sometimes it might become tempting to do so in regards to a few members, yet for the most part, it takes very little time to scroll through any particular post.. and I tend to believe that even the most challenging of members to read, every once in a while even those members will post some information that is worthy of consideration.. and it does not take me much more than a fraction of a second or a few seconds at most to determine if I would like to spend any time considering their ideas (to the extent any ideas seem to exist).  So maybe we have similar perspectives regarding Franky1.. he can go from one extreme to another.. make some decent points, and then "horey sheit" how could anyone actually think that way?  hahahaha.. I hate to make any mental diagnosis regarding any particular forum member, but you are correct that sometimes the mental state will show through the writings... and sometimes it might not be a good idea to comment on such mental status... .. but hey we cannot necessarily be psychological experts, either, so sometimes I have been lectured for being too much of a meanie.. and sure, I understand that sometimes any of us might write "mean" posts without necessarily realizing the level of cruelty that might be perceived in our own writings, even if we are believing that we did not intend our writing to be particularly cruel.

Are you trying to shut me up by saying nice things?  
No, because if I wanted you to truly shut up, I would just click the ignore button, like what I do to all of the disinforming trolls/gaslighting charlatans.
Couldn't help reading your exchanges as I got tagged in nearby posts -- gotta say guys like franky and proudh have long been my favourite "anti-heroes". I do ignore many of the latter's posts, but at the very least, you can't accuse them of being unentertaining. I do enjoy seeing more kinds of forum posters but the majority seem to be just careless posting, beyond the point where it's casual discussion, into "better say nothing than say meaningless things".

I have found that some "lame" posters will sometimes get better with practice, and sure of course, there are some "lame" posters who seem to never really get better, and accordingly, they will post some basic (generalized) ideas or not even any ideas from themselves, over and over and over, and in that regard, we sometimes would end up concluding that these guys do not have any abilities to actually think for themselves.

What's funny to me though is that at least half of those who've posted in this thread agreeing with buy/hold, I found annoying, or disagreed with (in the reasoning to buy/hold). Least frank and proud actually have something meaningful to say in disagreeing Wink

It does seem that some members are either unable to back up what they are saying, or they just post vague generalizations that have little to no meaning, and there are a lot of threads that have that kind of vague and meaningless content, unless a more senior member comes into the thread to actually make some meaningful points on whatever vague-ass topic was being discussed.  

Part of the reason that I have such a passion to attack members who use the term "crypto" without context does not really have so much to my happening to be against "crypto" or against shitcoins, but I sometimes get overly annoyed with the use of that vague term, and sometimes such vague references (especially regarding that stupid-ass term, "crypto") will come from otherwise very smart people, and sometimes they will try to defend their use of the term by saying "everyone else uses it."  hahahahahaha  It becomes an easy way to identify that an otherwise seemingly smart person does not seem to know what the fuck they are talking about when they throw out such a term... .. and it's my belief that if such otherwise seemingly smart people are called out on their use of such term, the genuine ones will actually attempt to communicate more clearly rather than continuing to insist on using such term in a vague and/or meaningless way..  Many of us have even spotted billionaires and even supposed financial experts throwing around such vague term, which surely should raise some red flags, if we are trying to actually engage in critical thinking rather than just accepting vague-ass representations from otherwise seeming subject-matter "authorities."
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October 29, 2022, 06:25:48 AM
Are you trying to shut me up by saying nice things?  
No, because if I wanted you to truly shut up, I would just click the ignore button, like what I do to all of the disinforming trolls/gaslighting charlatans.

Couldn't help reading your exchanges as I got tagged in nearby posts -- gotta say guys like franky and proudh have long been my favourite "anti-heroes". I do ignore many of the latter's posts, but at the very least, you can't accuse them of being unentertaining. I do enjoy seeing more kinds of forum posters but the majority seem to be just careless posting, beyond the point where it's casual discussion, into "better say nothing than say meaningless things".

What's funny to me though is that at least half of those who've posted in this thread agreeing with buy/hold, I found annoying, or disagreed with (in the reasoning to buy/hold). Least frank and proud actually have something meaningful to say in disagreeing Wink
legendary
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October 28, 2022, 05:11:32 AM

Are you trying to shut me up by saying nice things?  


No, because if I wanted you to truly shut up, I would just click the ignore button, like what I do to all of the disinforming trolls/gaslighting charlatans. But EXCEPT franky1, he's a national treasure in the forum/community. A special kind of Gaslighting-Troll. He deserves the extra attention. This forum is probably therapeutic for him, and helps his mental-state. Hahaha!

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October 27, 2022, 11:40:29 PM
That's a picture for those of us who currently have Bitcoin assets.

Well there are all kinds of levels of persons who have bitcoin assets, and surely there are a lot of folks who don't have any bitcoin assets and their asses remain scared in regards to whether to enter, how to enter, and might there not be some other better action (doing nothing).. hahahahaha
I need time to make frequent visits to bookstores, because I have not yet come to that kind of knowledge of action. Hahaha... you're cool JayJuanGee.
What I want to say, I actually do not have writing skills, so it is difficult for me to have a longer discussion with anyone. I'm afraid that later in the discussion I will equate Bitcoin with Crypto. Is there a way?

I'm more comfortable with yearly than daily. As long as trading activities are carried out to meet needs, I support.
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October 27, 2022, 07:23:25 PM
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Contrary to what you believe, or probably what you want to "believe", no I am not playing the victim card. It's simply not me.
Well that's good.  The evidence did not seem to support such a conclusion.. from my perspective.. but whatever..  You do you.   Wink Wink   Tongue Tongue Tongue    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy
I personally believe that each person should stand up for himself, especially against bullies, name-calling trolls, and gaslighting charlatans in the forum.
Sure.  You believe that I am a bully, name calling troll and a gaslighting charlatan, or are you referring to some other unknown character/member that might exist?
I never called you those things, otherwise if you really are those things, I would have stood up for myself like I do with franky1. You are a Bitcoin OG, and a good one at that. You deserve all the respect.

Yes.. it is pretty crazy that the forum has all kinds of folks, and sometimes Franky1 makes some decent points, and then other times, he just seems to get caught into delusional thinking - which is probably part of the reason that he had been banned from some Technical threads.. and sometimes, it seems to me that he knows what he is talking about but then it will be shown that he was just  employing technical mumbo jumbo and NOT really making any good points - so it ends up feeling like he is misleading when he employs some of those tactics.

I am not going to proclaim to be any kind of angel, either - because sometimes I will allow myself to get drug into some discussions that end up causing me to lose my patience and even to exaggerate in order to make a point that is intended to dismiss the other side rather than to engage in area in which I don't sufficiently feel comfortable.  And, also sometimes a response might not be necessary, but I will choose to respond (which will sometimes anger other members)

BUT criticism from a Bitcoin OG/Legendary-Whale-Investors such as you, who is a positive influence for the whole Bitcoin community, not just in this forum, is OK for me. It's probably I respect you too much. Is that wrong of me?
I am starting to forget if I was even criticizing you very much, except your word choice.  
It doesn't matter, because you're right. I might post that "I'm one of the most optimistic HODLers in the forum", but I wouldn't be as optimistic if it was compared to your optimism. Thank you for supporting the community with your wisdom. Cool

Are you trying to shut me up by saying nice things?  I am just a regular guy (pleb just like you)... hahahahaha 

I just write a lot.. .. and chime in to discuss various ideas.. just like you do... and hopefully each of us is learning along the way, too and maybe sometimes sharing some information, perspective, links to other ideas that are relatable to other forum members.

Regarding our current situation, we have been stuck substantially below the 200-week moving average (which is currently at $23,800 and was at about $22,200 when we entered into this zone) for about 4.5 months.. so we sometimes get challenged in terms of whether our old models still work, are we going to hang onto our old models, how are we going to prepare for either BTC price direction, and which price direction is more likely in terms of both distance that it might travel and how long it might take to get there.  Do we need to tweak our models and our plans, and will we be called hypocrites if we do change our plans (or our ideas in regards to preparing ourselves for either price direction)?

Bored. A word with five letters, but can cost us forever.
hold. Four letters that make us smile happily.

Buy moar has two words and 7 letters, and that could make us happy too, perhaps?.. and buying more is also an action item.

That's a picture for those of us who currently have Bitcoin assets.

Well there are all kinds of levels of persons who have bitcoin assets, and surely there are a lot of folks who don't have any bitcoin assets and their asses remain scared in regards to whether to enter, how to enter, and might there not be some other better action (doing nothing).. hahahahaha

We frequently have folks who have no coins, who remain afraid to get in, and some of the newer coiners remain scared about what to do because they may well have just got into bitcoin in the last two years, and overall they are under-water, so even the HODL is not really making them feel good.. and they are worried about the "buy moar" approach.

I don't really care about the current Bitcoin price because the current Bitcoin market situation allows me to get some positives. The positive thing I get is that I don't have much time to spend looking at price charts.

There are likely some people who are struggling to make all their ends meet, and then if they might ONLY have $10 to $100 per month extra, then where do they put it?  How much should they have in cash, and how much in bitcoin?  Yes.. there can be ongoing work.. keeping your head down to generate more cash, and maybe to attempt to generate some more income and then instead of having $10 to $100 extra per month, then the guy/gal gets up to $50 to $250 extra per month, so then maybe at some point, some people might realize that they are going to be able to allocate some more towards buying bitcoin.  Perhaps?  perhaps?

Those who think that a sideways market is boring; they will never make money in crypto. 

What's this thing that you refer to as crypto?

I thought that we were talking about bitcoin, here..

Fuck crypto.  Let's clarify are we talking about bitcoin here or something else?
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October 27, 2022, 02:10:28 PM
If we fixate on price movements that are still stuck in the circle of $19K - $20K or $20K - $19K, it will make us bored and very easily influenced by the situation.

Yes, much better to be hot and heavy over $10k massive dip and then whipping ourselves into a frenzy to $25k before middling ourselves in a seesaw between that range for the next year or so, right?

But if consolidation and sideways are going to make us bored and "easily influenced", maybe Bitcoin isn't for us?
You are right buwaytress. If we are easily influenced, then Bitcoin is not for us.

Bored. A word with five letters, but can cost us forever.
hold. Four letters that make us smile happily.

That's a picture for those of us who currently have Bitcoin assets.
I don't really care about the current Bitcoin price because the current Bitcoin market situation allows me to get some positives. The positive thing I get is that I don't have much time to spend looking at price charts.

Those who think that a sideways market is boring; they will never make money in crypto. This is the consolidation phase of the market where big players accumulate their positions to gain maximum profit in the bull run. If we think in a way like whales, we will be thankful for the market to move to the lowest support level for us to take positions.
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October 27, 2022, 12:39:49 PM
The key to successful bitcoin investment that I do is, don't pay too much attention and think about it because bitcoin is clear for the long term and also must have a strong belief, and doing the DCA strategy is the best choice and I do that every month to buy bitcoin in small amounts from my income .
I don't care if bitcoin will go up or down because I won't stress and I use it to buy bitcoins out of the rest of the money which I prioritize for all my needs, savings and so on. And savings for urgent needs that won't deplete my bitcoin investment. But if there is an urgent need, except in circumstances that are not possible and have to use bitcoin, I can't help but use it like this incident https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5401052

I strongly believe that bitcoin will rise again even beyond its highest price, I think the current movement of bitcoin is unclear and only confuses people because it only goes up and down a little, which is actually a good time to do DCA, and for the long term.
I just realized there is that thread, and you are leveraging Bitcoin in the right circumstances. Wink

Exactly, that's what we have to put out of our minds about worries so we need to forget about Bitcoin after investing (in terms of price movements) and focus on Bitcoin but remember I don't like Altcoins that are invested in the long term so I always avoid Altcoins for the long term, except for short term trading sometimes it is often done.
And one more thing that makes us stressed is seeing a fluctuating market, so it must be removed and don't check prices often.

But fortunately my income does not depend on Crypto so I am more free to invest in Bitcoin not with Altcoins and from all that I have invested is that the calculations that have been done including entering the emergency fund and rental needs funds etc. must still be fulfilled, I think this is what keeps me firm on the Bitcoin investments that I keep doing.
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October 27, 2022, 03:25:46 AM
If we fixate on price movements that are still stuck in the circle of $19K - $20K or $20K - $19K, it will make us bored and very easily influenced by the situation.

Yes, much better to be hot and heavy over $10k massive dip and then whipping ourselves into a frenzy to $25k before middling ourselves in a seesaw between that range for the next year or so, right?

But if consolidation and sideways are going to make us bored and "easily influenced", maybe Bitcoin isn't for us?
You are right buwaytress. If we are easily influenced, then Bitcoin is not for us.

Bored. A word with five letters, but can cost us forever.
hold. Four letters that make us smile happily.

That's a picture for those of us who currently have Bitcoin assets.
I don't really care about the current Bitcoin price because the current Bitcoin market situation allows me to get some positives. The positive thing I get is that I don't have much time to spend looking at price charts.
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October 27, 2022, 02:13:26 AM

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Contrary to what you believe, or probably what you want to "believe", no I am not playing the victim card. It's simply not me.

Well that's good.  The evidence did not seem to support such a conclusion.. from my perspective.. but whatever..  You do you.   Wink Wink   Tongue Tongue Tongue    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I personally believe that each person should stand up for himself, especially against bullies, name-calling trolls, and gaslighting charlatans in the forum.

Sure.  You believe that I am a bully, name calling troll and a gaslighting charlatan, or are you referring to some other unknown character/member that might exist?


I never called you those things, otherwise if you really are those things, I would have stood up for myself like I do with franky1. You are a Bitcoin OG, and a good one at that. You deserve all the respect.

BUT criticism from a Bitcoin OG/Legendary-Whale-Investors such as you, who is a positive influence for the whole Bitcoin community, not just in this forum, is OK for me. It's probably I respect you too much. Is that wrong of me?

I am starting to forget if I was even criticizing you very much, except your word choice.  


It doesn't matter, because you're right. I might post that "I'm one of the most optimistic HODLers in the forum", but I wouldn't be as optimistic if it was compared to your optimism. Thank you for supporting the community with your wisdom. Cool
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October 26, 2022, 10:14:11 PM
Patience is still being tested with the movement of bitcoin $20k- $19k constantly going back and forth.
Any FUD will not raise my doubts about Bitcoin in fact I am excited to remain a true Hodler.  Cool
I'm still trying to keep it up even though there are always thoughts about my investment in Bitcoin. So I forgot about that.

Bitcoin is still stuck at this price. LOL


https://twitter.com/giorgos_anasmd/status/1584607400237338625/photo/1
If we fixate on price movements that are still stuck in the circle of $19K - $20K or $20K - $19K, it will make us bored and very easily influenced by the situation. This is what we need to get rid of, even this we need to convey to those who are still weak so that they can be as strong as us.
We are still very confident in Bitcoin. It is our belief in Bitcoin that sets us apart from those who are still undecided.

More precisely, don't check the market too often, of course we see the situation is still boring, all we do is input dollars into the wallet and buy Bitcoin every week, it's a DCA strategy that almost everyone knows about this practice, but I have to keep it running all the time .

Of course we always get rid of doubts and believe in Bitcoin more, don't think too long because I have been in the crypto world for a long time so I will always keep some assets in Bitcoin.

Bitcoin will get out of bed: https://twitter.com/naiivememe/status/1585289008850309120
The key to successful bitcoin investment that I do is, don't pay too much attention and think about it because bitcoin is clear for the long term and also must have a strong belief, and doing the DCA strategy is the best choice and I do that every month to buy bitcoin in small amounts from my income .
I don't care if bitcoin will go up or down because I won't stress and I use it to buy bitcoins out of the rest of the money which I prioritize for all my needs, savings and so on. And savings for urgent needs that won't deplete my bitcoin investment. But if there is an urgent need, except in circumstances that are not possible and have to use bitcoin, I can't help but use it like this incident https://bitcointalksearch.org/topic/--5401052

I strongly believe that bitcoin will rise again even beyond its highest price, I think the current movement of bitcoin is unclear and only confuses people because it only goes up and down a little, which is actually a good time to do DCA, and for the long term.
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October 26, 2022, 01:16:03 PM
Patience is still being tested with the movement of bitcoin $20k- $19k constantly going back and forth.
Any FUD will not raise my doubts about Bitcoin in fact I am excited to remain a true Hodler.  Cool
I'm still trying to keep it up even though there are always thoughts about my investment in Bitcoin. So I forgot about that.

Bitcoin is still stuck at this price. LOL


https://twitter.com/giorgos_anasmd/status/1584607400237338625/photo/1
If we fixate on price movements that are still stuck in the circle of $19K - $20K or $20K - $19K, it will make us bored and very easily influenced by the situation. This is what we need to get rid of, even this we need to convey to those who are still weak so that they can be as strong as us.
We are still very confident in Bitcoin. It is our belief in Bitcoin that sets us apart from those who are still undecided.

More precisely, don't check the market too often, of course we see the situation is still boring, all we do is input dollars into the wallet and buy Bitcoin every week, it's a DCA strategy that almost everyone knows about this practice, but I have to keep it running all the time .

Of course we always get rid of doubts and believe in Bitcoin more, don't think too long because I have been in the crypto world for a long time so I will always keep some assets in Bitcoin.

Bitcoin will get out of bed: https://twitter.com/naiivememe/status/1585289008850309120
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October 26, 2022, 11:38:50 AM
A good strategy if we can buy dip and sell high, the problem is of course whether the current price has been dip or there is still an opportunity to dip again, and in my opinion the simple thing I do is to immediately buy even though it is more expensive than yesterday then hold so that we has the opportunity to profit when market rising.

We are not talking about selling in this thread.

We are talking about ways to accumulate though buying the dip and also to HODL.. if you run out of money from buying the dip.

Some of us, including yours truly believe that DCA buying is a superior strategy to buying the dip, even though surely both buying the dip and lump sum investing can supplement a DCA strategy.

I guess, this is the best opportunity people can use to buy bitcoin in this bear market and hold with bold mind of making profits in the future, because there is a great reward for those that will exercise patience with the current price situation.
HODL is still the best strategy , while others are not believing yet there are  so much  that we still see in our time now , from 2021 Bull market and now that we are near or i mean in Bear market.
There are many signs some investors have seen to believe that next year 2023 will be a better year for all investors that took their time to invested in Bitcoin because Bitcoin still remain the king among other cryptocurrencies,
what signs are those? investors believe in signs ? is this really a thing in investing?
which will be very easy for those that invested in bitcoin to earn well from their investment when the price move higher in the crypto market.
easy investing? lol you are kidding here , there is no easy way to earn in crypto  but to risk and wait.

1) Seems to me that DCA is the best strategy.. rather than HODL.. but of course, what is the best strategy may well depend upon where any of us might be at in terms of our bitcoin journey, and if we have already accumulated a lot of bitcoin, then we might feel that we do not need to accumulate anymore bitcoin, but even in that case, buying on dip might be a good strategy, even a better strategy than HODL.

2) Maybe in the end of your response when you mentioned "crypto" you miss spoke?  Fuck crypto.  We are talking about bitcoin here, and these strategies to invest long term apply to bitcoin, they do not necessarily apply to shitcoins.. because shitcoins you need to worry about your ins and your outs and getting rug pulled at any time.  So it is way more difficult to come to a conclusion that investing in crypto or any shitcoin can have a long term investment thesis.. so we are not talking about that here.. because focusing on bitcoin and having figured out that bitcoin actually does have a decently strong long term investment thesis is likely difficult enough than to suggest that investing in "crypto" or some random shitcoin is even close to the thing that we are talking about here, in this thread.

If we fixate on price movements that are still stuck in the circle of $19K - $20K or $20K - $19K, it will make us bored and very easily influenced by the situation.
Yes, much better to be hot and heavy over $10k massive dip and then whipping ourselves into a frenzy to $25k before middling ourselves in a seesaw between that range for the next year or so, right?

But if consolidation and sideways are going to make us bored and "easily influenced", maybe Bitcoin isn't for us?

This is a very good way of framing the seeming dilemma, buwaytress..

Part of the reason that folks get so worked up in regards to various BTC price changes is because they engage in a kind of behavior that involves betting and trying to figure out short to medium price moves that are probabilities at best - in which even if we might believe that the probabilities are on our side, the price ends up moving against us... or in a way that is contrary to our bet.

I am not proclaiming that any of us would be exempt from mistakes, but there are ways to attempt to prepare ourselves financially and psychologically to have plans that might involve ongoing BTC accumulation through DCA or to set our buy on dip amounts, and at the same time, we should not be failing/refusing to buy now (or was it one or two days ago when BTC prices were in the lower $19ks?) in order that we feel adequately prepared for UP too.

If we are pretty know that we have $3k in cash, and we are pretty sure that we have around $2k per month coming in and we have around $1,500 in expenses (including keeping some money aside for our emergency funds), then we might have confidence that we have around $500 per month that we could invest in bitcoin, so we might consider that we have around $6k in total over the next 6 months that we could invest into bitcoin, and we can choose how to do it based on a variety of considerations that include considering whether we have already bought some bitcoin or are we just starting out...

 Maybe we would be more aggressive if we were just starting out, as compared to if we had been investing for 6 years (I know I probably should not be using you as an example, since you assert that you had some fits and starts over the past 6 years).. but anyhow there might be a difference for someone who might have already accumulated a bitcoin or two, versus someone who has no bitcoin but has confidence that s/he is going to be able to invest $6k over the next 6 months.

If we make a plan and strategize regarding how we are going to use that $6k over the next 6 months, we will be better off than if we fail/refuse to plan and then end up panicking.

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Contrary to what you believe, or probably what you want to "believe", no I am not playing the victim card. It's simply not me.

Well that's good.  The evidence did not seem to support such a conclusion.. from my perspective.. but whatever..  You do you.   Wink Wink   Tongue Tongue Tongue    Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

I personally believe that each person should stand up for himself, especially against bullies, name-calling trolls, and gaslighting charlatans in the forum.

Sure.  You believe that I am a bully, name calling troll and a gaslighting charlatan, or are you referring to some other unknown character/member that might exist?

BUT criticism from a Bitcoin OG/Legendary-Whale-Investors such as you, who is a positive influence for the whole Bitcoin community, not just in this forum, is OK for me. It's probably I respect you too much. Is that wrong of me?

I am starting to forget if I was even criticizing you very much, except your word choice.  You know that we started out this back and forth because I was saying that your words about you being the "most optimistic of members" was probably not true or verifiable in the way that you had framed the matter, so why not just take the criticism and move on.. or maybe if you were disagreeing you could say that you really believe that you said made that assertion correctly... Yet, I made a suggestion that if you were to have had merely said something like "from my perspective, I believe that I am amongst the most optimistic of forum members," then I would have had less space to criticize your comment, but I still cannot guarantee that I would not have had reacted to such a claim, and said something like : "you = optimistic, give me a break"  hahahahaha

It's not really that big of a deal, and maybe I am being too much of a meanie.  I don't really mean to be a meanie - especially it was not even that major of a starting point that had gotten us into this back and forth and seemingly devolving matter.

In the end, you do end up doing what you want, so I suppose even if you were to say.. "I am going to continue to assert that the facts establish that I am amongst the most optimistic of forum members," then there is ONLY so far that I can go with responding to that kind of a statement too, except to just assert that I don't believe it... or that our opinions differ on the topic your assertion of greater relative optimism.
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October 26, 2022, 06:58:09 AM
I'm one of the most optimisic HODLers in the forum,
Oh gawd..  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

How do you know?

and why would it even matter?
Ser, I believe your ego, and probably a biased attitude towards your fellow HODLers, is affecting your mood. I was merely making a point that even the most optimistic of HODLers will have doubts in their investment thesis, especially during the lows of the bear markets.

But, I'm a mere pleb, and the stupid one in the forum at that, and you're the "Legendary Whale-Investor". If you ridicule me, that's OK. Cool
Regarding my alleged legendary whale investor status, there's no evidence to support that claim either.
But you are, it would obviously be very impossible for a HODLer who has started DCAing since 2014 to not be a Legendary-Whale-Investor. Plus it's OK to ridicule me, because you as HODLer who buys Bitcoin monthly at any price since 2014 or before that, optimism should have a new definition. Cool
There is no need to play the Victim card

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Relax ser, you're almost having the same reactions as franky1.

I don't think so.

Believe me, no one is playing the "Victim Card" because there's obviously no victim.

Well I am glad that you don't consider yourself a victim, even though you seemed to have been playing the victim card, as I already sufficiently elaborated in respect to that point.

You're the one who believes that.

Yes.  I believe that you were playing such Victim card for the reasons that I already stated.


Contrary to what you believe, or probably what you want to "believe", no I am not playing the victim card. It's simply not me. I personally believe that each person should stand up for himself, especially against bullies, name-calling trolls, and gaslighting charlatans in the forum.

BUT criticism from a Bitcoin OG/Legendary-Whale-Investors such as you, who is a positive influence for the whole Bitcoin community, not just in this forum, is OK for me. It's probably I respect you too much. Is that wrong of me?
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October 26, 2022, 05:32:33 AM
If we fixate on price movements that are still stuck in the circle of $19K - $20K or $20K - $19K, it will make us bored and very easily influenced by the situation.

Yes, much better to be hot and heavy over $10k massive dip and then whipping ourselves into a frenzy to $25k before middling ourselves in a seesaw between that range for the next year or so, right?

But if consolidation and sideways are going to make us bored and "easily influenced", maybe Bitcoin isn't for us?
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October 26, 2022, 03:54:38 AM
I guess, this is the best opportunity people can use to buy bitcoin in this bear market and hold with bold mind of making profits in the future, because there is a great reward for those that will exercise patience with the current price situation.
HODL is still the best strategy , while others are not believing yet there are  so much  that we still see in our time now , from 2021 Bull market and now that we are near or i mean in Bear market.
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There are many signs some investors have seen to believe that next year 2023 will be a better year for all investors that took their time to invested in Bitcoin because Bitcoin still remain the king among other cryptocurrencies,
what signs are those? investors believe in signs ? is this really a thing in investing?

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which will be very easy for those that invested in bitcoin to earn well from their investment when the price move higher in the crypto market.
easy investing? lol you are kidding here , there is no easy way to earn in crypto  but to risk and wait.
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