Topic: Buy the DIP, and HODL! - page 85. (Read 121948 times)

Your friend was a scalper and not a long term investor of bitcoin as you called him.

I agree with you new bitcoin investors should have patient and they should not make rush into things. Make decisions rapidly can lead to losses but take your time and wait for better entry can bring success. It is important to have some plan and wait for right time to invest. Patient is key when investing which always helps newbie and it helps us to avoid making mistakes. Learning about bitcoin and about market is also good because it help us to make good decisions and reduce risk of losing money. With patient and having knowledge about bitcoin new investors can do well in bitcoin investing.

We can agree to disagree, and you can choose to place whatever level of additional stress upon yourself as you like.

Personally, I think that it is way better to try not to overthink matters of how many additional BTC you might be able to get if your average BTC purchase price were lower, since largely it is not going to likely matter as much as you think that it does, and whatever, you are free to your own perspective... including if you saying that you are o.k. with following the ideas of DCA, yet at the same time, you are holding back a whole bunch of fiat because you are hopeing for BTC prices to drop lower.

All that extra fiat you were holding back in September and October 2023 did not fare too well when the BTC price went from $25k to $40k or $50k and you were still waiting for lower $20ks or even sub $20ks that did not end up playing out.

Yeah, you can rationalize all that you like regarding the value that came from your failure/refusal to spend your money at that time... and in the end, you are the one who has to make the judgement and to live with your decision, since none of us are going to be very concerned if you could have had bought an additional 0.001BTC or not.  You have to be happy with your stash and your stacking techniques...and whether you whine about and second guess yourself about you could have had more blah blah blah.


Fuck off with that nonsense of screwing around with the hypothetical.

I am trying to give you a somewhat realistic example that highlights the difference between someone who might have had taken a somewhat whimpy approach as compared with another person who took a more aggressive approach.

sure, there can be all kinds of variations of in between, and even the guy that I am claiming to be aggressive, I already say right with the hypothetical that he was being as aggressive as he could have had been through the last 10 years, but you still want to describe some circumstances in which the guy has an ability to be even more aggressive than I described.


No. The guy was not able to buy 30 BTC in 2014 or 2015 or 2016 at $600 per coin... .. he dollar cost over the years within his means, and I even described that in the beginning of his investment into bitcoin, he was ONLY able to buy $10 to $20 per week worth of bitcoin, but he continued to be as aggressive as he could with his BTC buys over the years within his means..

You want to fantasize him into having some other kind of circumstances in which he would have had been able to buy $18k worth of bitcoin in his early years, and he did not have $18k.. and in fact he only had $10 or $20 per week in those early years and he was scraping to do what he could to buy bitcoin.  Did you not realize that there are people who do not have any kind of savings at all?  They are barely scraping by, and it could be arguable in regards to whether they have any discretionary income at all, so they almost have to force themselves into a situation of having discretionary income by increasing their income and/or cutting their expenses to struggle to even figure out a way to have $10 or $20 that they can use to buy bitcoin, and you are all of a sudden wanting to proclaim some imaginary scenario that all of a sudden they are going to have $18k extra that they can invest into bitcoin, when they are barely getting by?

Those who are new to investing in bitcoins have other important things to do besides checking the value of bitcoins, for those who are new to bitcoins it is very important to invest patiently. Many times it is seen that new investors are too hasty to invest and due to hasty investment they may end up in losses rather than profits. We should always have a long-term plan before making new investments. If we have a long-term plan and wait patiently to see what the market wants, we will surely achieve enough success through investment that will make us more interested in investing. Many times we lose patience so we should not lose patience. Patience is very important in investing. If we can invest with patience then we will be very successful in Bitcoin investment. The most important thing in Bitcoin investment is that we should first gain enough awareness about Bitcoin market. If we know enough about Bitcoin market, we will invest Bitcoin more carefully.

Of course, in the next 10 to 20 years, many people will look back and bite their fingers, blaming themselves for not taking the risk and investing in Bitcoin when the price was still below $60k. At this point, many individuals will regret not purchasing Bitcoin last year when the price was around $25k, and others who did will wonder why they didn't accumulate more when the price was still lower. It's better for those who want to invest in Bitcoin to do so while they still have the opportunity because they will regret their actions later.


You are correct, a professional investor does not need to check the Bitcoin price before investing because they already know the price pump and dump, however, I believe that only those who are new to the market should consider the price of Bitcoin before investing, because they had to start with a low price and gradually raise, some newbies to the market may choose to begin with a low price because they believe the Bitcoin price is too expensive for them to start when it is high.

There are a lot of long term investors that don't have a targeted price they want to reach with Bitcoin and there are some that has such price tag which they want to reach with Bitcoin and for me I think having a target price will give you more sense of belonging and since you have that focus you will not be tempted to sell off your bitcoin.

I have a friend who is into Long term Bitcoin investment when ever he holds his Bitcoin and Bitcoin hit a certain price he was always tempted to sell little and he will, that was how it was for him until he decided to have a price target which he wants to reach with Bitcoin and that was how the temptation to sell when ever there was an increase in Bitcoin price stopped.
So I think having a price target with Bitcoin will help you hold your Bitcoin very well without the feeling of selling, it will increase your patience level.

concentration of bitcoin investors lies on the price, about 80% of investors consider the future price of bitcoin before they invest on it, I know that whenever the price of bitcoin decreases in value many investors utilize the opportunity knowing that the possibility of the price getting increased is that high, and that's why you can see Bitcoin investors targeting the price of bitcoin to decrease so that they can use the opportunity they use such opportunity to make profit massively, the beat time to accumulate bitcoin is when the value or the price decreases

Bitcoin is above $60,000 again. Many of us almost got very excited for the possible opportunity to purchase Bitcoin below $50,000 again. Haha.

But sometimes we probably should start thinking that in 10 or 20 years, many people will look at the price of Bitcoin and they will be very sick in their stomachs because they will be asking themselves how they have missed all the price appreciation of an asset that was designed to surge because the Central Banks around the world have that never-ending policy to print money.

I totally disagree with you. An investor should not look at the Bitcoin price at all, when you invest in the DCA strategy, why do you need to look at the price? DCA strategy requires you to buy when the price is up and buy when the price is down.

concentration of bitcoin investors lies on the price, about 80% of investors consider the future price of bitcoin before they invest on it, I know that whenever the price of bitcoin decreases in value many investors utilize the opportunity knowing that the possibility of the price getting increased is that high, and that's why you can see Bitcoin investors targeting the price of bitcoin to decrease so that they can use the opportunity they use such opportunity to make profit massively, the beat time to accumulate bitcoin is when the value or the price decreases

I totally disagree with you. An investor should not look at the Bitcoin price at all, when you invest in the DCA strategy, why do you need to look at the price? DCA strategy requires you to buy when the price is up and buy when the price is down. Excessive market review can be detrimental to the DCA strategy. Lured by the lure of higher profits, you may shy away from DCA. This would not be desirable at all.

Imagine trading Bitcoin this year with the way the market have behaved, the number of times such trader would have taken a loss would have been countless. The real winner this year are not those trading Bitcoin for short term gains but those accumulating for long term HODL. Since I am using mostly the DCA method and also combining buying the dips, I have been enjoying the process so far because the market have given me the opportunity to meet most of my target in terms of the quantity of Bitcoin I want to achieve for myself. Assuming the price rose drastically after the ETF and halving without offering the compressions and retracements we have seen, it would have been difficult for me to meet my Bitcoin quantity target.

I chose to work on the quantity of Bitcoin I want to get and not the dollar value because this way I will not be worried about the price, no chance to FOMO or whatever. The goal is just to collect as much Bitcoin as I can get when the time for the DCA reaches or buy more when there is reasonable retracement in the market.

It depends on the level of the beginners financial strength. A wealthy beginner in Bitcoin investment can choose to lump sum if he can afford it. However, it can be risky to beginners who cannot afford it as if they try to put all they have in the investment they are exposes to risk especially since there knowledge is still growing. Dont forget that an investor may have good knowledge of investment and still make wrong decision making at the end. Its not because they do not implement their knowledge so well but in way they tend to listen to opinions from other investors and such opinions are favorable to those who gave them because it suits their risk tolerance and accumulation goals. Any decision we are making must suit out investment goals and risk tolerance if not even our knowledge wont help us at the end of the day.

You should follow the Bitcoin market constantly, because if you are not constantly reflecting on the market, you will not be able to focus on investing properly. Especially when investing in DCA method, market research must be done, especially as regular investment will attract newcomers more. A new investor can participate in repeated investments to grow his portfolio only through the DCA strategy.

This aspect caught my attention, if you are investing, then its very important that one should have a target time for the entry as well as the exit, because you cant just jump into investing without considering for the perfect timing suitable for you, that is why some will first ask if they are to go for long or short before knowing their entry point for investing on bitcoin, though this also have to do with the market season, as just with what we are having now, we can see how volatile the market is everyday rotating round $50,000 and $60,000 and this is for us to sit and speculate well in other to know what decision to arrived at with the way of the market performance before starting, then we will have an idea of either going for a long or short time investment.

Lump sum method of investment is good but I feel its too wild for a beginner especially the one that hasn't really understood the market that well and the reason why I say this is because that new investor can easily be affected whenever he sees the price dip and especially when he used large sum of money to buy because he will be scared of the funds dropping so my advice for any new investor should be DCA method so atleast you will just have to do with continuity and with time get to understand although both methods are still effective but I guess it depends on the investor himself to fully understand how the Bitcoin market works.

And again you thinking about other people investment shows that you clearly need to do some study about investment on a general note, before ever starting an investment your own goal is what you should focus on and for Bitcoin investment what you need to do is just learn the basics and ofcourse have the general patience that Bitcoin investment won't make you rich overnight as it's a gradual process and patience and commitment is the key.

There are a lot of long term investors that don't have a targeted price they want to reach with Bitcoin and there are some that has such price tag which they want to reach with Bitcoin and for me I think having a target price will give you more sense of belonging and since you have that focus you will not be tempted to sell off your bitcoin.

Yes of course, many investors apply DCA method in accumulating more Bitcoin in their portfolio, this method allows you to accumulate the little you can continuousy and also gives room for an investor to review his investment plan upward as the case may be, this method has clear the doubt of many investors that are having the mindset that Bitcoin is only meant for the wealthy and financially balanced individuals, with this method every one can invest even though is with as low as $1 as far the said amount can be sustained by the said investor, I will always recommend this investment strategy for any investor that feels that before anyone can invest in Bitcoin you must have acquired a lot of wealth, this method helps an investor not to think of borrowing in other to invest hence he can invest the amount that he is capable of maintaining continuously, as an investor that's using DCA method, you are at advantage of buying at all time instead of waiting for price dip.

An investor can gain a lot of experience from past investment mistakes which gives him the mindset to hold for the long term. Although you said they don't remember past mistakes, I think they should learn from past mistakes and register a focus on increasing stashing over time so that they don't repeat past mistakes. One should have the mentality to grow their portfolio with Bitcoin and continue to accumulate it for the long term.By making investment decisions with the DCA strategy you should target to continue accumulating bitcoin for the long term to have a decent bitcoin portfolio.

I don't know who have observed this, but DCAing for a while now consistently has helped me beyond just accumulating Bitcoin, it's now like a lifestyle and I'm beginning to notice some new level of increased  consistency and resilience in my job execution which brings about various degrees of success to my career and personal life.

It has also increased my financial intelligence and increased my money management skills. I see myself planning very well before spending since I know very well that I must increase my holdings every week

I don't know who have observed this, but DCAing for a while now consistently has helped me beyond just accumulating Bitcoin, it's now like a lifestyle and I'm beginning to notice some new level of increased  consistency and resilience in my job execution which brings about various degrees of success to my career and personal life.

It has also increased my financial intelligence and increased my money management skills. I see myself planning very well before spending since I know very well that I must increase my holdings every week.

Most good habits we form has a way of helping us become better in life and I think DCA strategy is one of that has made me more financial literate and made me a more disciplined person generally.

I'm not quitting soon, Whatever helps me grow personally, I don't mind getting addicted to it since it's benefits are great, so I'm going to be DCAing for a very long time.