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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 02, 2023, 04:20:35 AM

Those who are scared of Chat GPT just admin that you suck at poker. It is 52 cards in deck, that is not a race, you can also take your time and calculate all the combinations and possibilities. Or you think Chat GPT can look through cards and cheat? Or it has more luck than a human? I just can imagine what advantage AI can have over human in a game where luck is one of the most important factors to win. There is only a disadvantage that AI has - machines can not bluff, they can only calculate.

I wonder how can we calculate the combination and possibilities when all we can see is jut the cards on the flops and card in our hands. There are too many variables to calculate the right combinations and possibilities.

Looking at the statistics, I don't know if we are able to calculate it manually while playing.

Regardless, I still think that chatbot has no capability to destroy poker on-online gambling because all these chatbot can do is just give a suggestion. Besides, card distribution is random and that makes the result undetectable by bots.

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Quote from: TopTort777 on June 02, 2023, 04:20:35 AM

Those who are scared of Chat GPT just admin that you suck at poker. It is 52 cards in deck, that is not a race, you can also take your time and calculate all the combinations and possibilities. Or you think Chat GPT can look through cards and cheat? Or it has more luck than a human? I just can imagine what advantage AI can have over human in a game where luck is one of the most important factors to win. There is only a disadvantage that AI has - machines can not bluff, they can only calculate.

Can one really take that much time so he can calculate all the combinations and possibilities? I don't really think that's going to work, and even if there are 52 cards, there can be a lot of combinations made from those 52 cards, an AI can obviously be faster than a human to count the combinations and the possibilities in that case if it knows what cards you are having and which cards are remaining.

But as you said, a very big part of poker is bluffing, and an AI model can obviously not do that but I was also wondering, if ChatGPT or any AI model is used for playing poker, that will obviously be online and there is basically no way to bluff in an online poker game anyway.

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Quote from: piebeyb on June 03, 2023, 08:25:33 AM

Quote from: Unbunplease on May 31, 2023, 12:06:00 PM

Will Chat gtp be able to bluff skillfully? After all, one of the basics of poker is skillful bluffing. This requires an understanding of your opponent's psychology, but often poker players express emotions that are the exact opposite of what they are feeling. Therefore, it is quite difficult to understand what the player's real position is.

That bluffing is what I don't think chatgpt can do because in my opinion AI technology is still not so developed for betting online poker, I also usually win because I read the psychology of my opponent then bluff him and win money at the table, that's what I usually do do it in poker games for example also in competition events too.

But I think it's difficult to use chatgpt to do that because basically playing poker requires a human touch as well, for example a kind of bluff to bully an opponent with a big bet just by taking advantage of the opponent's fear to be able to win to get money at the table is the way I usually play poker. Cheesy

As a complete poker novice, this looks very interesting to me, reminds me of how we usually bully each other when playing a card game called "whot whot" here in my country.

On the other hand, I am in agreement with you, chatgpt is not really that developed yet for such games as poker, and it will take years for machines to be able to effectively play and win games like poker over humans without any form of manipulate behind the scene.

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Quote from: Unbunplease on May 31, 2023, 12:06:00 PM

Will Chat gtp be able to bluff skillfully? After all, one of the basics of poker is skillful bluffing. This requires an understanding of your opponent's psychology, but often poker players express emotions that are the exact opposite of what they are feeling. Therefore, it is quite difficult to understand what the player's real position is.

That bluffing is what I don't think chatgpt can do because in my opinion AI technology is still not so developed for betting online poker, I also usually win because I read the psychology of my opponent then bluff him and win money at the table, that's what I usually do do it in poker games for example also in competition events too.

But I think it's difficult to use chatgpt to do that because basically playing poker requires a human touch as well, for example a kind of bluff to bully an opponent with a big bet just by taking advantage of the opponent's fear to be able to win to get money at the table is the way I usually play poker. Cheesy

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It can be very useful in poker, but for those of us who have been taught and have been taking courses to learn how to play poker better, I think that it is not nice for one to play and get a lot of AI where it will not give you the opportunity to to win, because it feels like the time learned in the game has been wasted, and that is something that is so angry that just like the others use AI to play poker, it will not be enough to continue losing, the same thing is done, it is sought an AI to also play and whoever wins the best AI, that's what it has been becoming in games.

If you, eventually it will turn into a competition between AIs, I disagree. With everything taken into account by AI, humans will have a decisive vote anyway. AI is just a tool, and people will be competing in how to use it, so, the competition will be among people. Much like with Formula One races, it's the drivers who compete in the end.

I think, unlike chess game, poker will never be disrupted by AI, because chess is a deterministic game, and poker is not.

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Quote from: Fredomago on May 31, 2023, 10:52:12 AM

In following that logic, we never know how casino will react once AI was being implemented or being used I see your point that they might restrict or possible to ban you if they are not willing to embrace such a system being used to their house, knowing how casino making money out from the gamblers, they will not just allow anyone to have that edge in winning against them.

Just an opinion though, as we don't know if what and how casino will adopt in case AI knowledge will be used.

Of course, the casino will not allow gamblers always to win more than the casino, so the casino might use AI to hold back the gamblers' wins. But I don't know, at least I agree with you in that we don't know if and how the casino will act in the future because it may not have happened right now or it has. What is clear, this will be even more interesting to follow, especially if we can try to use AI to gamble to see the casino's reaction. Maybe for a while, casinos will ban the use of AI until the casinos can find a way to win from gamblers who use AI.

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Those who are scared of Chat GPT just admin that you suck at poker. It is 52 cards in deck, that is not a race, you can also take your time and calculate all the combinations and possibilities. Or you think Chat GPT can look through cards and cheat? Or it has more luck than a human? I just can imagine what advantage AI can have over human in a game where luck is one of the most important factors to win. There is only a disadvantage that AI has - machines can not bluff, they can only calculate.

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Quote from: Bitinity on June 01, 2023, 04:06:55 AM

Quote from: Unbunplease on May 31, 2023, 12:06:00 PM

Will Chat gtp be able to bluff skillfully? After all, one of the basics of poker is skillful bluffing. This requires an understanding of your opponent's psychology, but often poker players express emotions that are the exact opposite of what they are feeling. Therefore, it is quite difficult to understand what the player's real position is.

Chat GPT will not able to be a real human obviously as they are created and designed by human. Although chat gpt can give many information but I think it will be impossible to be used in gambling especially poker. I do even think that real professional poker players are still facing difficulties if they are playing in online casino where they cant see their opponent's gestures which is something really important thing to decide what to do with what they have in hand.

Professional poker players never gamble online AFAIK, they always do it in land-based casinos or in tournaments where they can play against other humans face to face so that they can know and understand each and every move of other players, see their facial expressions, and whatever that makes a difference and can give them an idea of what kind of a hand they have got.

About ChatGPT, it obviously won't be able to reach their level, it's based on machine learning algorithms that can search and find answers and information based on a keyword provided, it is not specifically created for the purpose of gambling.

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Quote from: Bitinity on June 01, 2023, 04:06:55 AM

Quote from: Unbunplease on May 31, 2023, 12:06:00 PM

Will Chat gtp be able to bluff skillfully? After all, one of the basics of poker is skillful bluffing. This requires an understanding of your opponent's psychology, but often poker players express emotions that are the exact opposite of what they are feeling. Therefore, it is quite difficult to understand what the player's real position is.

Chat GPT will not able to be a real human obviously as they are created and designed by human. Although chat gpt can give many information but I think it will be impossible to be used in gambling especially poker. I do even think that real professional poker players are still facing difficulties if they are playing in online casino where they cant see their opponent's gestures which is something really important thing to decide what to do with what they have in hand.

Chat GPT is artificial intelligence, maybe this can be useful because it provides more information needed by its users, but to be able to use it in gambling with the aim of winning a poker game is impossible because it is not easy for casinos to let gamblers use Al or GPT.
I have the same thoughts as you in that I do not believe and am not sure that artificial technologies such as GPT Chat can beat the house edge in gambling including poker games.
Poker is a game that requires strategy and sudden brain dexterity because every card that comes out will be different so changing strategies at any time is very necessary.

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Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

There is no way an AI will be capable to destroy online poker gaming. I mean, the game is played between two to ten players, each of them have different combination of cards, there is no way an AI can build a strategy out of thin air because there are a lot of combinations that its opponents may have in hand.
Imagine, an AI can beat a person in chess game because it knows opponent's pieces and knows where they are located. Because of that, an AI is capable to mathematically calculate every possible way and always act according to the best one but Poker is a guess what your opponent has game. If I have good cards on hand, absolutely no one and nothing will be able to beat me.

An AI robot may have an advantage in real-life poker matches if it's advanced and capable to understand the emotions of its' opponents as they change facial expression.

But poker is a lot about statistics, so you may not hit every round but it may be possible to hit more rounds than your oponent. Even if you are good 51% of the time you will make money in the long term. It is not that difficult and less for a computer to keep track of the many variables in the game and I think and Open AI could perfectly become the next world champion.

Poker is a lot about understanding the human psychology and emotions, the way they express or mimic their emotions in certain cases, when they lie, when - not. When you play poker online, you can't really analyze any of that mentioned above, especially when you play on Sit and Go tables where people come and go. On regular tables, you may slightly understand your opponent's psychology but still, your opponent has to be a very dumb and unexperienced.
Do we have best online poker players? Idk really, the best ones that I know are the ones who play in real life.

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Quote from: Synchronice on April 21, 2023, 03:45:33 AM

Quote from: paxmao on April 21, 2023, 03:30:35 AM

Reading another post, it crossed my mind that AIs and particularly ChatGPT could potentially be trained with a large samples of games played by poker champions and then put it to auto-play with amateur on-line players. If this is successful, it could mean the end of human on-line poker playing except perhaps for the world masters and the like. Has anyone tried? Would it be possible??

There is no way an AI will be capable to destroy online poker gaming. I mean, the game is played between two to ten players, each of them have different combination of cards, there is no way an AI can build a strategy out of thin air because there are a lot of combinations that its opponents may have in hand.
Imagine, an AI can beat a person in chess game because it knows opponent's pieces and knows where they are located. Because of that, an AI is capable to mathematically calculate every possible way and always act according to the best one but Poker is a guess what your opponent has game. If I have good cards on hand, absolutely no one and nothing will be able to beat me.

An AI robot may have an advantage in real-life poker matches if it's advanced and capable to understand the emotions of its' opponents as they change facial expression.

But poker is a lot about statistics, so you may not hit every round but it may be possible to hit more rounds than your oponent. Even if you are good 51% of the time you will make money in the long term. It is not that difficult and less for a computer to keep track of the many variables in the game and I think and Open AI could perfectly become the next world champion.

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Quote from: Wiwo on May 18, 2023, 04:29:15 PM

Quote from: Alphie12 on May 18, 2023, 03:29:06 PM

ChatGTP was made to control people. Social media will soon be flooded with AI with an agenda. For gambling, it can be very good since we don't care about agendas.

But if we don't care about the agenda then we may jump on anything that looks successful without taking the time to properly analyse its outcome and impact on the overall outcome of such development.

Artificial Intelligence bots may be good in some instances but not in all cases e.g. poker games, I can't figure out what role the AI will play in enhancing the player's chances of winning.

Many things can be done with chatgpt, what's good is that this is one more tool, some can use it to do good, others to do aml, things are that if they know how to use this tool they can get many Benefits, however there are some countries that have prohibited ChatGPT, which I think is somewhat unfair because this type of tool should be free for everyone to have access to, but there is always a control where more than all the USA gives it to that they can have control, but for countries that are not allied with them there is Nothing, the thing here is, for those that are not allied with the USA it should be only the politicians , but the ones who really bear the consequences is the pee people , because those who are rulers have many options to Access this type of tools.

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Quote from: Unbunplease on May 31, 2023, 12:06:00 PM

Will Chat gtp be able to bluff skillfully? After all, one of the basics of poker is skillful bluffing. This requires an understanding of your opponent's psychology, but often poker players express emotions that are the exact opposite of what they are feeling. Therefore, it is quite difficult to understand what the player's real position is.

Chat GPT will not able to be a real human obviously as they are created and designed by human. Although chat gpt can give many information but I think it will be impossible to be used in gambling especially poker. I do even think that real professional poker players are still facing difficulties if they are playing in online casino where they cant see their opponent's gestures which is something really important thing to decide what to do with what they have in hand.

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Unfortunately i think it is a feasible step as soon as chatgpt has full access to the internet it will be possible to program it with the best poker and blackjack games and to play it automatically

ChatGPT or any other AI model having full access to the internet will only have the ability to scrap any data available online, and I don't really think that there is enough data to teach the model how it can become a great poker player as even if it's a game of skill, there is a luck factor in it as well and it's about the cards that are being served on the table to the players.

The model will obviously not be able to memorize almost every single hand that can be made with the cards because there are too many possible hands that can be made using all the cards in a card deck.

And in my opinion, it is not at all interesting to play poker with AI.
When you know that a soulless machine is playing against you, pumped up with different algorithms for calculating all possible options for the layout of cards and constantly calculating the probabilities of these layouts, and based on this, making its moves, it becomes somehow not that disgusting, but somehow not quite interesting. More preciseky, I'm not interested at all. For example, a computer has long since learned to beat a person in chess. Moreover, even world champions and a grandmaster do not undertake to play with a super-powerful computer, because they will definitely lose. Nevertheless, the games of man against man in chess continue to be popular, as before. It seems that playing poker with AI will also not be in demand by people so as to become something significant in this field of entertainment. And as before, all people who are interested in poker will be happy to watch broadcasts of tournaments in professional poker. Without any AI and ChatGPT there.

Cheers for the fresh perspective! Your buddy's take is pretty spot on, given that AI units like ChatGPT can only crunch the data they're handed, which might not be enough to turn them into ace poker sharks. The sheer scale of potential card permutations, coupled with the game's wildcard nature, indeed throws a curveball at AI. Totally get your 'meh' vibe about facing off with AI in poker. After all, poker isn't just about number-crunching, odds, and tactics. It's also about gut feel, reading the room, and, naturally, the sheer buzz of the game. These bits might be a tall order for an AI to mimic. As for the chess vs poker bit, I'd argue that they're apples and oranges. In chess, all cards are on the table, and luck doesn't get a look-in, making it a sweet spot for AI. On the flip side, poker's wild, gut feel plays a big part, which might make it a tougher nut for AI to crack.

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Will Chat gtp be able to bluff skillfully? After all, one of the basics of poker is skillful bluffing. This requires an understanding of your opponent's psychology, but often poker players express emotions that are the exact opposite of what they are feeling. Therefore, it is quite difficult to understand what the player's real position is.

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I don't think that is the best use of AI in online gambling, because if does, we just created a robot to gamble for us. And the actual gamblers become a mere spectators. if not abused, chatgpt won't be destructive with online poker when use correctly. Like using it in a way of suggestive what move next, or tips. NOT to entirely play the game automated. In fact, it will lead to more players and make it easier to understand the game for the newbies. It will give excitement that every gambler would wish for the same goes for the house. Because new players mean new money to engage with.

Well, it could be that in the future, there will be robots to gamble so we can only watch them, but somehow it would feel like we were used to gambling but at that time, we were just spectators. Many gamblers will not hand over their money to a robot and take the risk by asking the robot to bet.

But it could invite more players to try out the AI robot and it's true that it's a nice thing for the casinos as they have more opportunities to profit from losing gamblers. But the casino also won't let gamblers freely use AI robots because casinos will also use AI robots to restrain the performance of AI robots from players so they don't win easily.

Thebuse of AI just as already said earlier could have great impact on the gambling section entirely and this time ot only on poker games because it will make the gambling experience more easier to achieve when everything works under the control of the AI machines and all you do is just to set control measures for directing how you want to have the experience work out for you, so i want to believe the advantage is more than it disadvantages if we consider well the opportunity that lies in them both.

I don't think we know about the advantages because casinos also won't let gamblers who use AI win easily. The casino might also implement AI to block those gamblers, so they often can't get their wins. But that will destroy the running of the gambling business because in addition to implementing AI, casinos may impose restrictions on their gamblers. We'll see if any gambler will be successful in using that AI or they will fail in implementing it. But we also don't know when the use of AI for online poker games will begin to be used.

In following that logic, we never know how casino will react once AI was being implemented or being used I see your point that they might restrict or possible to ban you if they are not willing to embrace such a system being used to their house, knowing how casino making money out from the gamblers, they will not just allow anyone to have that edge in winning against them.

Just an opinion though, as we don't know if what and how casino will adopt in case AI knowledge will be used.

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Quote from: devil-soul on May 29, 2023, 11:26:10 AM

Unfortunately i think it is a feasible step as soon as chatgpt has full access to the internet it will be possible to program it with the best poker and blackjack games and to play it automatically

ChatGPT or any other AI model having full access to the internet will only have the ability to scrap any data available online, and I don't really think that there is enough data to teach the model how it can become a great poker player as even if it's a game of skill, there is a luck factor in it as well and it's about the cards that are being served on the table to the players.

The model will obviously not be able to memorize almost every single hand that can be made with the cards because there are too many possible hands that can be made using all the cards in a card deck.

They can't detect real time event so it cannot affect to any online poker events. Maybe if there's an upgraded version of this AI thing it can possibly happen. But for sure only gambling sites will do counteraction so that there available games will not be exploited by cheaters who use bot to take advantage nor increase their chance to win the game.
I'm sure that casino owners are fully aware about the existence of ChatGPT and they are not been threatened for its current condition since it cannot hurt their platform.

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Quote from: TheGreatPython on May 31, 2023, 04:03:00 AM

Quote from: devil-soul on May 29, 2023, 11:26:10 AM

Unfortunately i think it is a feasible step as soon as chatgpt has full access to the internet it will be possible to program it with the best poker and blackjack games and to play it automatically

ChatGPT or any other AI model having full access to the internet will only have the ability to scrap any data available online, and I don't really think that there is enough data to teach the model how it can become a great poker player as even if it's a game of skill, there is a luck factor in it as well and it's about the cards that are being served on the table to the players.

The model will obviously not be able to memorize almost every single hand that can be made with the cards because there are too many possible hands that can be made using all the cards in a card deck.

And in my opinion, it is not at all interesting to play poker with AI.
When you know that a soulless machine is playing against you, pumped up with different algorithms for calculating all possible options for the layout of cards and constantly calculating the probabilities of these layouts, and based on this, making its moves, it becomes somehow not that disgusting, but somehow not quite interesting. More preciseky, I'm not interested at all. For example, a computer has long since learned to beat a person in chess. Moreover, even world champions and a grandmaster do not undertake to play with a super-powerful computer, because they will definitely lose. Nevertheless, the games of man against man in chess continue to be popular, as before. It seems that playing poker with AI will also not be in demand by people so as to become something significant in this field of entertainment. And as before, all people who are interested in poker will be happy to watch broadcasts of tournaments in professional poker. Without any AI and ChatGPT there.

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Quote from: devil-soul on May 29, 2023, 11:26:10 AM

Unfortunately i think it is a feasible step as soon as chatgpt has full access to the internet it will be possible to program it with the best poker and blackjack games and to play it automatically

ChatGPT or any other AI model having full access to the internet will only have the ability to scrap any data available online, and I don't really think that there is enough data to teach the model how it can become a great poker player as even if it's a game of skill, there is a luck factor in it as well and it's about the cards that are being served on the table to the players.

The model will obviously not be able to memorize almost every single hand that can be made with the cards because there are too many possible hands that can be made using all the cards in a card deck.

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Quote from: Doan9269 on May 30, 2023, 07:05:33 AM

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Quote from: CarnagexD on May 29, 2023, 01:16:38 AM

I don't think that is the best use of AI in online gambling, because if does, we just created a robot to gamble for us. And the actual gamblers become a mere spectators. if not abused, chatgpt won't be destructive with online poker when use correctly. Like using it in a way of suggestive what move next, or tips. NOT to entirely play the game automated. In fact, it will lead to more players and make it easier to understand the game for the newbies. It will give excitement that every gambler would wish for the same goes for the house. Because new players mean new money to engage with.

Well, it could be that in the future, there will be robots to gamble so we can only watch them, but somehow it would feel like we were used to gambling but at that time, we were just spectators. Many gamblers will not hand over their money to a robot and take the risk by asking the robot to bet.

But it could invite more players to try out the AI robot and it's true that it's a nice thing for the casinos as they have more opportunities to profit from losing gamblers. But the casino also won't let gamblers freely use AI robots because casinos will also use AI robots to restrain the performance of AI robots from players so they don't win easily.

Thebuse of AI just as already said earlier could have great impact on the gambling section entirely and this time ot only on poker games because it will make the gambling experience more easier to achieve when everything works under the control of the AI machines and all you do is just to set control measures for directing how you want to have the experience work out for you, so i want to believe the advantage is more than it disadvantages if we consider well the opportunity that lies in them both.

I don't think we know about the advantages because casinos also won't let gamblers who use AI win easily. The casino might also implement AI to block those gamblers, so they often can't get their wins. But that will destroy the running of the gambling business because in addition to implementing AI, casinos may impose restrictions on their gamblers. We'll see if any gambler will be successful in using that AI or they will fail in implementing it. But we also don't know when the use of AI for online poker games will begin to be used.

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